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00:00What a turn of events. I really did. When I saw over the weekend, Friday, last Friday,
00:06and I brought it to you yesterday, I was like, well, Texas Tech, they got their injunction blocked.
00:10I imagine that, or their appeal blocked, I'm sure that Brendan Sorsby's going to get his injunction blocked.
00:18And then, like, after the show, 10.30 comes around, I saw Schefter, then I saw everybody else going,
00:23whoa, my goodness, he got his injunction. So, as of right, like, the appeals process is going to take a
00:30while.
00:30Now, there is a little bit of weird, are they still, is Brendan Sorsby still going to sit out the
00:35first two games of the season
00:36because that was what his lawyers had offered as part of this?
00:40Or is he just going to play, but he might as well just say, damn the torpedoes, I got all
00:4312 on me, let's go.
00:44It looked like they kind of got a, they have to have a sacrificial lamb of some sort,
00:48because they've got teams threatening to not even play them.
00:51Which is, okay, can I say something real quick?
00:53About that.
00:55I saw the Big 12 AD say, we're not going to play them.
00:58Yes, you are. You have television contracts.
01:00You're going to get your ass out there and play them.
01:02Or you're going to find new jobs.
01:04You have television deals.
01:05Don't sit there and act like you're not going to play Texas Tech.
01:08And this dude is now, as much watch as it gets, like, other than Arch,
01:14like, people are going to want to see this guy.
01:16Oh, he's a villain.
01:18Texas villains is great.
01:19To see how he deals with this.
01:21To see, obviously, to get off the jokes.
01:24Guys, I could go, I've been, can I just bring it back to the Browns for just a second?
01:29Because I know this is a real big picture type of conversation, right?
01:32Can I just bring this to the Browns for an entire second?
01:34Now, we've been on this for, give or take, three, four weeks now.
01:38Right, Tone?
01:39And any time you brought it up, I'm like, nope, let's not do it.
01:43And it isn't like a current quarterback room thing.
01:45It's like, man, I've done all this.
01:47And now, especially after the trade that happened last week, it's like, we're aiming to the 2027 class.
01:55And Soresby has just been like, I don't want to be the, I don't want to be the canary in
02:00the coal mine.
02:01I don't want to be the experiment for everybody else to see how this goes.
02:05That pointed out, now that he is going back and playing college football, he is a villain in every place
02:10he plays, except for his own building.
02:11So I got to take a look at that schedule.
02:13He is going to be national headlines every time he hits the field.
02:16You are going to see think pieces.
02:18They're all revolving around him.
02:20I mean, people, college football fans are filled with hate as it is.
02:23They're going to hate his guts.
02:25I'm telling you right now, if he goes out there and he handles himself well and plays well in these
02:30places,
02:31I understand it's the Big 12.
02:32Immediately, people are going to think sideways of it.
02:34But if he goes out there and he plays well in all these places, considering what he had to admit
02:39to,
02:41considering the controversy surrounding him, considering the hostile environments that basically the pundits who are supposed to be down the
02:47line are going to be rooting against him.
02:49I mean, you saw the reaction to this.
02:51If he goes out there and he does well, it may change everything I think of him for the Cleveland
02:55Browns.
02:56I'm telling you, because this is a, for him, this is so good because now he gets to go out
03:01there and prove, hey, I can deal with anything.
03:04I can deal with anything.
03:06And if you're a Browns fan right now, unless you're one of the people who just happens to just fully
03:11believe that our answer is one of those quarterbacks in this QB room, and very few of you do.
03:17So I'm talking to a lot of Browns fans.
03:19I think you've got to be looking at this going, oh my goodness, this is a tremendous opportunity.
03:23Let's see what he does.
03:24Because if he goes out there and he handles himself well and he can keep his nose clean of the
03:27gambling and all that other stuff, I'm willing to have a different conversation next spring.
03:32I'm not going to sit there and just mark him down like that.
03:35No.
03:35I'm going to keep an open mind about that.
03:37And obviously we want to find out, what more is there to find out or do we know?
03:42And what the reporting is is all about him placing most of these bets when he was 18 years old.
03:49He was a three-star recruit that only threw like six passes his freshman year.
03:56And that's not for me to say any of this is okay.
03:59Like, I think people were mistaking yesterday or in the last month when I talk about Sorsby that I think
04:04any of this is okay.
04:05No, of course.
04:06It's not okay.
04:07Of course not.
04:08I have been asking fans, like, where does this rate on the list of not okay?
04:13And I compared and Daryl took offense to it because he thought when I was questioning him, like, do you
04:18think this is okay?
04:20This is better than sexual assault?
04:22And he's like, well, don't put words in my mouth.
04:23And I understand why Daryl got defensive of that.
04:26But I want everybody to kind of be honest about where we think this is, how bad we think this
04:33is.
04:33I think that's important.
04:34Well, the NFL knows that this is a bad deal.
04:37And they are used to having these other issues arise.
04:44Pro sports, sadly, are used to the other issues arising.
04:48When it comes to gambling, they have been full-on headstrong.
04:53Absolutely not.
04:54If we find out about it, you could be banned for life.
04:58You could lose a season.
04:59Like, there's all the good guys.
05:01You think about it like this.
05:02You got two former Guardians pitchers that are facing 65 years.
05:07They will not do 65 years.
05:09But they are facing 65 years in court.
05:12And this guy says, yeah, 90 grand.
05:16Laid it down.
05:18Okay.
05:19And he's ready to play.
05:20Like, it's like, what the hell is going on?
05:29Well, now you got to remember.
05:34What they are being accused of is very different.
05:37It's not that they were betting on games.
05:40It's been a month of the slots.
05:41It's that they were intentionally shifting, potentially, bets and maybe results of games.
05:49And this is a huge difference.
05:51Exactly.
05:51I know the assumption is, if you're willing to do this at all, go down this path, then
05:55eventually, what happens again?
05:57Yeah.
05:58You're going to lose.
05:58And then it's the games you don't bet on.
06:01Exactly.
06:01Because for 20 years, I didn't bet on my own team.
06:03Well, I only bet on them to win.
06:06Like, it's that type of principle.
06:08And that's why we're not even close to being done.
06:11Like, these teams, when they were going to talk to him, and now they won't have that opportunity
06:15for a while.
06:16So that's where you have to go back to.
06:17They had to get, they had to, honestly, like, it's not only the investigation of the teams.
06:22The NFL is going to have their investigation, regardless of whether it's now or later.
06:26But they have to.
06:27So people are up in arms.
06:29People are disgusted.
06:30We have some, I think we have a differing opinion of our afternoon show coming up at 643.
06:34Do you believe that Brendan Soresby should get to play college football?
06:38Because I think, personally, I think that this is a win for the NCAA.
06:42And I'll explain that here in just a moment.
06:44I think it's obviously a win for Soresby.
06:47And I'm not a, as an observer of college football, I don't think it's good for college football
06:52at all.
06:52No.
06:53I don't think it's the right thing to do.
06:54I think when a guy has come out and admitted this, I think you need to protect the sanctity
06:58of college football.
06:59But if a federal judge or a judge in general is making this decision, I know that there
07:03will be appeals, but that might take a long time.
07:06It's going to take too long.
07:06When a judge himself is making this decision, like there's a lot of things that can come
07:11out that might be positives about this.
07:12Because let me explain it.
07:14There are so many people who are upset about the way college sports is going.
07:19All right.
07:20Well, this gives you a precedent now.
07:22Because there's going to be so many people in so many parts of the country who are going
07:25to be so upset.
07:26You had Nick Saban, which I know people call him a hypocrite, but I think there's a little
07:29bit of room for it.
07:30You had Nick Saban in front of Congress last week.
07:33See, there's plenty of people who wanted players to get paid, but they didn't want
07:37things to go nuts.
07:39And players getting paid, that's fine.
07:41But things are getting way out of whack here.
07:44And all this does is help the NCAA get its teeth back.
07:50I think they go into these things knowing they have no precedent now.
07:53They have no ramification to go after.
07:57They did it for years.
07:58They enforced what we thought were arbitrary rules for years because they had to protect
08:03their member institutions.
08:04So as little as it could be, they were still doing it.
08:06And now that was all taken away from because of antitrust, monopoly, all that stuff.
08:12And now you're seeing a real, real play here over the last couple of years to get Congress
08:18involved and write some language and some laws to kind of get it back on track a little
08:24bit.
08:24Now there's one or two ways that can go after that.
08:27But I think that this is secretly for the NCAA.
08:31No one's going to see it as it is right now because it's crazy that a guy would admit to
08:35this and still be playing.
08:38But for the NCAA, they're playing the long game.
08:40I think they opened up everything a few years ago.
08:43So we would come to this level.
08:44You can't have anything just wide open the wild west.
08:48You're going to want some regulation, need some regulation.
08:51And this is example A of all the things that we've talked about here over the last five
08:56years.
08:56I saw everybody going after the feckless NCAA and it's like, well...
09:00But wait a minute, they were overreaching five years ago.
09:02You hated them five years ago.
09:03Yeah, but in any walk of life, if a judge comes in and issues a ruling and because of
09:10the way the seasons work and the time frame works, the calendar works in college football,
09:14like, this is Americana in 2026.
09:18You find good lawyers, you lawyer up, and then you find a friendly judge.
09:23And when that happens, you know, we're all at the mercy of that at any time.
09:28So I don't necessarily get...
09:30I can't wait to talk to Dan Wetzel later on.
09:32I know Brian Bollinger will have thoughts on this.
09:34But Dan Wetzel at 9 o'clock has been all over the reporting on this.
09:37I'm very eager to see how much blame he puts at the NCAA today.
09:43Because the NCAA is evolving fast.
09:45And the reason they're being forced to evolve is because of huge judicial opinions that has
09:52completely changed everything we know about college sports, college athletics in 2026.
09:58Does Brendan Soresby getting to play change your views of how you look at college football?
10:02I'm talking to 90% Ohio State fans.
10:05Does it really matter to you?
10:07Or do you plan to take advantage of the same loophole?
10:09Do you think that this is a big deal with Soresby?
10:11I think there's a couple of different tentacles to it.
10:14Oh, it's a massive deal.
10:15It is.
10:15Well, because there's some people who think it's not a big deal.
10:17And they think everybody's clutching pearls.
10:19Which I don't understand.
10:20I think it's a big damn deal.
10:22I think that this could be a watershed moment for the NCAA.
10:24There was always going to be...
10:25For college football.
10:26Yeah, it was always going to be...
10:28Like, what was the baseball team where there were irregular bets?
10:32And then the Bucks caught it.
10:33Yeah, Alabama.
10:34But that was never going to be the one that got every athletic department in the country talking.
10:39It was always going to be a quarterback.
10:42And even though what looks to be, at least based on what we know now,
10:46it looks like he was a degenerate gambler as a kid.
10:48As an 18-year-old that came in and was laying bets immediately on everything.
10:53But also Indiana football when he was at Indiana.
10:56And then it just so happened that he rose the ranks.
10:59I mean, he went from a three-star recruit to a guy who's going to be one of the highest
11:03-paid quarterbacks
11:03in all of college football.
11:04So, it has every tentacle of a story.
11:09This isn't just your run-of-the-mill whoever.
11:11This became a guy that teams were bidding on to try to get his services.
11:16And I still think we don't know everything.
11:19Like, that's why I'm being very careful not to act like this stopped happening at a certain point.
11:24Like, I don't know.
11:24I don't know how big of a deal this bloomed into.
11:28Well, I'm not trying to play a moral power play on anything here.
11:32It's not what somebody think of the children or anything like that.
11:35But you're inviting why it is a big deal is, one, you should not, if you've admitted to things like
11:41this,
11:41you should not be able to play college football.
11:43I mean, that's true.
11:44But the other part of it is, is that, and I said this to you yesterday, say the Browns picked
11:48him up.
11:49The moment he ends up having any struggles, you know what the fan base is going to think.
11:54And that's not just with the Browns.
11:56That's the Jets, the Dolphins, the Cards, anybody who's looking for a quarterback.
12:00If he has a good season this year and he struggles next year, it's the first thing that's going to
12:04be brought up.
12:05That's the first thing that's going to be yelled at him when he runs out of the tunnel during warm
12:08-ups
12:08when they let the fans in the stadium.
12:09And that's the last thing they're going to say to him as he walks off after a loss.
12:12And that's really the penalty here, right?
12:14Yes.
12:15Eventually, he's going to be allowed to play in the NFL.
12:18Yes.
12:18And so the penalty is going to be that.
12:20How does he deal with that?
12:22And it does.
12:22It takes a certain type of individual to be able to deal with that.
12:27I've got to be honest, I think this is part of the downfall of Deshaun Watson.
12:32He wasn't able to deal with that.
12:33To handle with that.
12:34Yeah, I agree with you.
12:35And I think that had more to do, and you know the injuries over time, but I think that had
12:39more to do,
12:40how could someone be a top five quarterback in the NFL, certainly top ten,
12:43and then look like the worst quarterback in football before injuries?
12:47Part of it was that.
12:48It had to do with mentally he wasn't.
12:50So, I don't know.
12:50Can this kid deal with it?
12:51We're about to find out.
12:53We were about to find out.
12:54Maybe.
12:54I mean, Keith, our boss is telling us, like, teams are doing everything they can to make him not.
13:00If the courts aren't going to take him out, and the NCAA is not going to take him out,
13:05and the NCAA can't because the courts have overruled right now in the interim,
13:08then maybe they can do it, you know, their own way, their backdoor way.
13:13Which is refuse to play Texas Tech to the point where Texas Tech has to not let him play on
13:17the football team.
13:18That would be interesting.
13:19The Big Ten and the SEC, they can do what they wish.
13:21I was talking about, like, I got that sent to me.
13:24I said Big 12.
13:25If you got Big 12, like, if you got Jamie Pollard over there at Iowa State, we're not going to
13:28play him.
13:29Okay, I'm sure you say that now, but you still have a television deal, and they need to satisfy that,
13:34and if you're going to make your major media partners upset, because every game he plays in,
13:40that's going to be must-watch television.
13:41But so can Texas Tech, will they—
13:42This is the first time since Mike Leach they've been must-watch television.
13:45So will they buckle?
13:46Will they potentially buckle if all these teams can assemble together and unify on something they don't typically unify on?
13:55I mean, think about the Michigan scandal.
13:58And I know I was shooting back to Keith because he's a diehard Michigan fan,
14:01and he has all the championship gear, right?
14:03But what if every team would have done that in the Big Ten and said,
14:07no, no, you guys cheated.
14:08I would have probably said the same thing I just said to you, but either way, continue.
14:11I mean, this is maybe even more of a unifier than the Michigan thing.
14:16So here's afternoon drive.
14:17Here's the guys in the afternoon.
14:19They say that it's—they say that there's a lot of fake outrage out there about this.
14:23Go ahead.
14:23I would have been in on Brennan Sorsby if they thought he could be a franchise quarterback,
14:28and it was going to be worth a second-round pick in a supplemental draft.
14:31I just wouldn't sweat it, especially with two firsts next year.
14:34Why are we in the minority on that, though?
14:36Because I think a lot of people are pretending to care about gambling.
14:39I'm sorry, guys.
14:40I fundamentally don't understand the amount of people that look the other way
14:43at every allegation that Deshaun Watson had against him and said,
14:46I just want my football players to football.
14:48And then when Brennan Sorsby does something that is legal, actually is legal,
14:53except for the NCAA bylines, but legally legal, then we've got to draw the line on gambling.
14:58I think this is a lot about the perception of gambling and the way we view gambling
15:03as opposed to all the other things that have been normalized by athletes.
15:06I'm sorry, I'll take the gambler that might need to work on himself over sexual assault guys
15:11or guys that have problems keeping their hands off women.
15:14So I will, too.
15:15I just always wonder if I end up showing my card a little bit too much because I am a
15:20gambler
15:20and I have gambled a lot in my life.
15:21And so the idea that I would be the guy like, no, it's not the end of the world.
15:25One thing that takes away gambling for a lot of the gamblers out there is having an NFL-sized paycheck.
15:29He'll be fine.
15:30You're not much of a gambler, and you're saying you think that it's fine.
15:33And so that kind of gives me the idea that maybe I'm right here in my moral compass, I guess.
15:38Well, if we're talking morality there, like no one's going to say that gambling isn't as bad
15:42as the other allegations that have been pointed out there that Nick just specified.
15:46But what I think they're missing here is that this is big against college football
15:50and that eventually this is something that has to be viewed by the NFL.
15:54And even if he did get this injunction, what's the NFL going to do when you still have admitted to
16:00this?
16:00Because they've shown before that they're willing to punish people for things they did in college,
16:04as we've seen before.
16:06Well, but what I don't understand is for them to say that they don't think people care about –
16:11gamblers care about this.
16:12Yes.
16:12And the league is sold out to gamblers.
16:15I agree with you.
16:15I mean, everybody in some capacity, anybody who's willing to take money, we include it.
16:20We all are willing to take the money.
16:22We all have to say it's a big deal.
16:24If you're gambling on sporting events, which is not – it doesn't feel like a minority viewpoint anymore.
16:30If you're gambling on this stuff, then you absolutely need to at least have the appearance
16:36that most of the guys playing in your game are not going to try to impact the game negatively.
16:41Exactly.
16:42And to me, it's like the same – it's the same situation as if you and I gave away a
16:47car
16:48and my wife won the car, what are you going to think?
16:52Well, if you're maybe in bed with gambling entities, that's fine, just like you are with booze and other things.
17:00And everything's supposed to be in moderation.
17:02But because I'm a part of this entity, I'm supposed to be careful about it.
17:06This is not new.
17:07Like, we could talk about moral high grounds and everything like that in the court of law,
17:10but it's still basically common sense.
17:12Yeah, you are in bed with gambling entities.
17:15We all – that's fine.
17:16But you have to protect the sanctity, whatever that is.
17:20You have to protect the good name of whatever entity that you're playing in.
17:24And when you're on the record for gambling, when you are about to go into the NFL next year,
17:29that's going to be something that people are paying attention to,
17:31and it's going to hurt the legitimacy of the league every time they bring it up.
17:35So the NFL has to do what they can and nip this thing in the bud.
17:37That's what they've done.
17:38That's what Major League Baseball was trying to do for 100 years
17:41before any of us talking about this were even born.
17:44Like, that's how big of an issue that gambling is in professional sports
17:47and certainly in college sports.
17:49So we can't sit there –
17:50And Class A got banned immediately.
17:52And again, in this case, Sorsby is not accused of throwing games.
17:57There were some under bets that people are like, well, wait a second.
18:02But, you know, was he playing in those games?
18:04Did he end up getting in those games in garbage time?
18:07But the fact that we even have to ask those questions, that does mean there's some gravity to it.
18:11But at the same time – and hey, I don't know what was said to them during the show,
18:15but if you're sitting there having an argument with people who are going to talk about sexual assault
18:20and domestic violence versus gambling, like, I'm sorry.
18:23I guess you're just going to have to sort out the idiots and not have a conversation with them.
18:26Because I think everybody, by and large, thinks in society,
18:29yeah, gambling's not nearly as big of an issue as those type of things.
18:31But when you're talking about our own business, and we are a part of that business,
18:35like, yeah, I fight and I don't want there to be this type of impropriety
18:40because it hurts all of us.
18:43It hurts me as a businessman about this.
18:45It hurts the station.
18:46It hurts everything about it because it's part of the entertainment that goes with it.
18:49And I don't want it to happen.
18:50It's not like I'm – and I don't want it to sound like I'm covering anything up.
18:53No, you have plenty of time after your career.
18:57You want to go out and do Charles Barkley stuff and put $3 million out there on a night of
19:01gambling.
19:02You go right on ahead.
19:02Knock yourself out.
19:03It ain't my life.
19:04I don't give a damn.
19:05But when it comes to the actual sport while you're playing it, like, yeah,
19:07there is a responsibility that the player has, that the coach has, that the staff has
19:12to that sport to make it right for themselves and everybody
19:16and not put things in jeopardy as certainly themselves in jeopardy.
19:19It's that simple.
19:20Yeah, I just wonder, you know, is there a chance?
19:24Is there a chance?
19:24Because we just talked about how now must-see Sorsby is this year.
19:29Do these teams and their threats right now, do you believe these are idle threats
19:33or do you think they could force the hand of Texas Tech to actually not bring this dude in,
19:39who they were allegedly, reportedly going to pay, the boosters were $5.5 million this year?
19:43At the Big 12, I laugh in their general direction.
19:46At the SEC and the Big 10, I certainly think there could be some steam because, honestly,
19:51if you were Ohio State, up until this last year when they paid $37 million for their roster,
20:00come on.
20:01Texas Tech is a tick on your ass if you're Ohio State, if you're Alabama, if you're Texas,
20:06if you're one of those other schools.
20:08All right, you had one great run with Mike Leach, God rest his soul, and then you have this,
20:13and that's about it.
20:14So, yeah, if you're Ohio State, if you're Alabama, if you're one of the big schools
20:18and the big two conferences there, yeah, you can go ahead and pick.
20:21You can go ahead and decide that you don't want to play Texas Tech.
20:24But the Big 12, no, I don't believe anybody in the Big 12.
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