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00:00Okay, hi there. Hey now, even. I'm a little bit overrun with thoughts.
00:08Well, let's just sort them out and see what happens.
00:13I mean, that trade has to be talked about.
00:15You think?
00:17Yes. And guess my position. I flatter myself to think you would have any idea, or anyone would have any
00:27idea, but what do you think?
00:28What do you think I think about it?
00:30Um, you know, I really, I should know, but I really, I don't.
00:38I can't, I mean, is physically what I want here as a modifier? I can't not appreciate what the Browns
00:47did. I can't not respect it.
00:51Sure.
00:52They're going nowhere.
00:53Yeah.
00:54He's 30.
00:55And they got a guy who's maybe almost as good.
00:58He's excellent.
00:59And a first and a second and a third.
01:01All right. Yeah.
01:02And it's less money.
01:03Yeah. Now you got a different conversation on your hands if the Browns are any kind of a contender.
01:08But yeah, I mean, that's not, I'm not surprised to hear that. I guess I should have guessed that.
01:13Um, but I, I, I love it for the Rams too.
01:16I think you, I think you can, I think I, I, I love it for the Rams too. I, I
01:21think, you know, they, they must, I mean, who, who doesn't view Miles Garrett as some degree of an upgrade,
01:27at least in the very short term.
01:28You know, we'll see how, how, what kind of shelf life Garrett has as a top level performer, uh, out
01:37there.
01:37But I, I just, the Rams of all teams, like they just keep finding ways, despite having the burden of
01:47the $50 million quarterback on their roster and on their salary cap.
01:50It sounds like you're winking.
01:52They find a way to just continue to add guys.
01:55And like, we'll see, I don't know, like, you know, there's a lot of already speculation about, does this mean
02:01they're already decided they're not going to pay Puka Nakua or, you know, whoever, any other number of young guys,
02:07I don't know.
02:09But what it means to me is that they're telling everyone they're trying to win the Superbowl as hard as
02:13they possibly can again this year.
02:16And I tip my hat to them because they always find a way to divest themselves of these picks and
02:26still be, I mean, they're not excellent every year.
02:29There's a, there's a bottom out year in there.
02:31I think right after they win where they, where they missed the playoffs and went maybe seven and 10 or
02:35something.
02:36Seven and 10.
02:36Um, but they've been kind of the same level of contender except for that one year.
02:44Every other year of this run since they won, like they won it, had a bad year, maybe not the
02:51year.
02:51There's a bad year in there.
02:52I just don't remember if it's right after the Superbowl.
02:54It is five and 12, five and 12 even.
02:56Okay.
02:57And last in the league in yards.
02:59Oh, that's the year like Mayfield stopped by and that year.
03:02That's probably right.
03:03Yeah.
03:03Okay.
03:03Yeah.
03:04Maybe.
03:04Is that where they draft verse?
03:06Maybe.
03:07I don't remember how high a pick he was now, but I, anyway, they just, the churn just keeps
03:13going and they're right there.
03:15They're, they're every bit level of the level of the contender that the bills have been every
03:20one of these years.
03:21It's the kind of trade that you wish would happen more often because it makes sense for
03:28everybody.
03:29It's just that money gets in the way.
03:32And I think maybe image and optics, that's the same thing.
03:38The people in charge are maybe on their last, you know, their last gasp as a, as a GM or
03:44something.
03:44You have all these other, like there are politics that get in the middle of it, but see, this
03:48is why fantasy is so great because that really doesn't happen in fantasy.
03:53You, you have every year, every league dynasty, you have teams that are like close and then
03:58you have teams that are not close and trades like this are just a fait accompli.
04:03Like they should happen and they're exciting, but it's fantasies and nobody cares if you're
04:07out, if you're not in that league, this should happen in sports more often.
04:13And it doesn't, but when it does happen, it's kind of, it's exciting.
04:19And it's sort of a reminder of that, that if you have, I mean, the Browns, there's a lot
04:24to be said for the Browns here too, in how they have been, I like this point, this is
04:29almost like a Sabres point before last year or this year, is it too soon to call it last
04:34year?
04:35It's still this year because they're still playing hockey.
04:38But I'll get back to you with a ruling on that later.
04:40The Browns having been losers for so long, I think makes this tougher in theory to do.
04:49I guess, especially after, I mean, it was just last off season that there was all of
04:59the, like Garrett made the rounds at the Superbowl and it just sounded like, I know how the Browns
05:03sounded.
05:03The Browns sounded like we're not trading him, but he sounded the whole time.
05:06Like I got to get out of here.
05:07And then he signed that dopey contract and it never really made sense for the Browns to
05:12do that.
05:13Like, yes, you want to protect yourself and keep a premium asset on your team, but what
05:19is that?
05:20What is that going to get you?
05:21It's not going to get you anywhere.
05:22You're just going to pay the guy a ton of dough and he's going to pile up a bunch of
05:25numbers
05:26and we'll argue about whether he's a Hall of Famer or not because his team always won
05:29three games.
05:30I don't know.
05:31Like it just was going nowhere.
05:33So they're out of that, which is smart versus younger.
05:37So his peak should maybe still be coming if he's not already in it, but it'll last longer
05:42than you would assume Garrett's does.
05:45So it makes every bit of sense for, yeah, everyone wins to me here, except maybe Jared
05:51Verse, who goes from a Super Bowl contending team in Los Angeles to a Cleveland team that
05:57is not seemingly going to be that interested in winning because they're not that close.
06:02Well, apologies if the answer to this is known, but when you think back to last year and Garrett
06:08signing that deal, that was pretty shocking because he was supposed to be, he wrote that
06:13letter and he was going, he wanted to win and then it's like everybody made fun of him.
06:19And the GM said like he's going to be, you know, something about the Hall of Fame.
06:24He was like, I want to win Super Bowls.
06:26I'm not here just to go to the Hall of Fame.
06:28Right, before the letter.
06:29Right, before the letter.
06:29The letter was in response to that.
06:31Yeah, right.
06:31Right.
06:32And it seemed like it was really getting nasty there.
06:34Well, then he signs and everybody laughs.
06:37Right.
06:38At him.
06:39And I wonder if the GM is the same guy for all these years.
06:43Like Barry has been there going back several years and that's interesting too.
06:48I mean, that's part of the earlier point that, you know, he must have some confidence that,
06:54well, I mean, he would have to, that a trade like this isn't going to, isn't going to sting
06:58him, like this is what management would have to, you know, support it.
07:04But I bet, again, sorry if this is already known whether this is or is not accurate,
07:09but I bet last year that they sort of had a handshake agreement that in a year from now,
07:15listen, here's the money, here are the terms, in a year you'll be movable.
07:19And so give us one year, make it look good, go win the defensive player of the year again,
07:25I guess.
07:26Get the sack record, single season sack record.
07:28Right.
07:28And then we will, if we're not, if we're not suddenly good, then we'll move you.
07:34Well, now we know why they did whatever bookkeeping they did earlier, like right after the season,
07:39there was all this reporting about, I don't understand why they're doing this with the
07:43money because all it really does is make him easier to move.
07:47Well, there it was.
07:49Sometimes the easiest and most reasonable answer is the right one.
07:54And so that was indeed what was happening there.
07:58And the Rams pounced.
07:59So, I mean, I love things.
08:01I was listening to Tim and Brad on my way in.
08:03It's kind of cool for me that, you know, I got these two guys that have been friends of
08:07mine for a long time and they're doing this show now pretty regularly right before us.
08:10Um, and just hearing them talk about the, the bills approach and the Rams approach.
08:19And, you know, I, I don't know a bills fan walking around right now that wouldn't want
08:23to have traded for miles Garrett, but your problem is, you know, you don't have, well,
08:29you don't have money for one thing.
08:31You don't have cap room.
08:32So there's a problem there.
08:33Somehow the Rams do.
08:34I don't know.
08:35I'm not sure how that all works, but they do.
08:37We don't, they've got a lot of great players.
08:39They've got a $50 million quarterback.
08:40Okay.
08:41But I don't have Jared verse.
08:44That's who I don't have.
08:45I don't have, uh, uh, up and coming or even already provably excellent edge rusher to divest
08:53myself of if I wanted to upgrade.
08:55I mean, you're, you're already talking about a guy like I would have been excited to find
09:00out the bills traded for Jared verse.
09:02Oh my gosh.
09:03I mean, the guy's an X, the guy's excellent.
09:06So to think that you find it possible or necessary even to upgrade from that guy to this guy is
09:15pretty incredible and is a risk because of the age of the two players involved here.
09:23Um, one guy already costs, he comes with all this money attached and the other guy is not
09:28even to a big contract yet.
09:31It's like most teams shy away from that.
09:34Like I've got a, a pretty talented, pretty comparable, I guess.
09:39I mean, one guy's a defensive player of the year.
09:41The other guy's not, I know.
09:42Okay.
09:42So it's not, but I think it's comparable versus close enough that I'm, I think it's stunning
09:49that the Rams were shopping for a pass for like a, someone to upgrade him.
09:54Cause you would easily sit back and just go, yeah, we're all set.
09:58I drafted him.
09:59He's excellent.
10:00We'll pay him.
10:01We developed him.
10:01And this is, that's the bills model.
10:04And I'd be happy to have someone like Jared verse, but I don't.
10:08And therefore like anybody that's out there going, how come the bills weren't in on this
10:11money?
10:13And I don't have that guy.
10:15Well, that's almost everybody's model.
10:16Yeah.
10:17I mean, the bills are not the exception.
10:18That's right.
10:19Rams are.
10:19That's right.
10:20I mean, most teams in any sport are going to, going to, you know, hold close to the
10:26vest, the player, like the versus score to win.
10:33And I guess I can't help but smile.
10:36I mean, the, the Rams are different and it makes it all more interesting.
10:42It doesn't have to work.
10:43I mean, really, this is also a defensive player, not a quarterback.
10:48They did that.
10:50I mean, how different is it from when they traded golf for Stafford?
10:54Like this is kind of a, how much better is Stafford than golf?
10:58You know, a little, I guess maybe.
11:01And then they went and won and golf been good for Detroit, but it was the same kind of thing
11:07where they were willing to give up a lot of assets to make that, whatever you want
11:12to say, kind of upgrade.
11:13I even, I even, I mean, this all just happened within like the last two hours or so.
11:18Right.
11:18This news broke.
11:19Um, but I, I read some reporting already that indicated the Rams were in on this idea
11:28as far back as the draft, if not before that.
11:32And it, one piece of speculation I read was that it's thought that they drafted Simpson,
11:38the quarterback now, because they were anticipating not having next year's number one, because they
11:45thought they thought they were going to make this deal and they wanted to make sure they
11:48had someone in the pipeline to develop behind Stafford, who they're very much like year to
11:53year with.
11:54And I'd like, well, we're not going to have our one next year.
11:56So we better get a guy, which is, you know, that's some, that's some planning.
12:00They had another one from Atlanta.
12:05So they could, it made that easier because they had Atlanta's one from last year's draft.
12:11I mean, it's just, it's just pretty sexy.
12:13It's pretty cool.
12:14Could the bills have done it?
12:16Maybe not.
12:17Would the bills have done it?
12:18Maybe not.
12:19But I want to say again, I don't know.
12:24It's what does this sound like?
12:25This sounds like Dick Duran maybe, but it's really hard to win.
12:29And the difference between Garrett and verse this year only, because then it, that, that
12:36decreases, it compounds the next year.
12:38You don't have the first.
12:39So then it's the difference between Garrett and verse and a one, all of that.
12:43What does it really mean to their chances?
12:47They're in a very tough division.
12:49They're not.
12:50I mean, I know people say like Sam Monson, like they already had the best roster.
12:54I'll give him that.
12:55They might've already had the best roster, but they didn't win.
12:58And last year with the same roster, uh, Seattle did, and it was close.
13:03They had to beat them twice in close games.
13:06Funny enough.
13:06Like I, I, I was out for a late, does it have to be called brunch?
13:11If it's a late breakfast, I didn't, it wasn't whatever.
13:14Anyway, I went for breakfast.
13:15What time?
13:161130.
13:17That's not breakfast.
13:18Okay.
13:18Anyway.
13:19Uh, but I had breakfast food.
13:21That's lunch.
13:21I had breakfast foods, uh, with a bloody Mary.
13:24So I brunch.
13:25No.
13:26Yeah.
13:26No.
13:26What makes brunch brunch?
13:28The bloody Mary, I think is what makes it brunch.
13:30No.
13:31That is not breakfast anymore.
13:32If you're having alcohol, I think.
13:33Anyway.
13:33So I was out and there, you know, it's 1130 in the morning, but it's, there's a, a restaurant
13:39and there's a bar area.
13:40And we ended up in the bar area and there's TVs on and they're like last night's Yankee
13:43game is on, but the TV that's right in my line of sight is on the NFL network.
13:49And they're showing the Rams Bengals Superbowl.
13:52And it's the, the end.
13:53It's like the Rams score to go ahead.
13:55And now the Bengals get the ball back yesterday.
13:58And this is yesterday.
13:59I'm watching this.
14:00Right.
14:00All right.
14:01You know, having no idea about a Jared verse miles Garrett trade, but how's that game
14:05end?
14:05And that game ends with Joe Burrow under siege from Aaron Donald and like all the, all the
14:12machinations about the roster and the age and the salary cap and all the stuff.
14:17I'll bet you somewhere the Rams would just tell you, we got miles Garrett.
14:20So he makes that play at the end of a game or at the end of the conference championship
14:25game or the end of the Superbowl, because we've been missing that since Aaron Donald has
14:29not been here.
14:30So that's why we did that.
14:31Maybe he comes back.
14:32Maybe.
14:33I don't know.
14:33But like, that's, that's like right now that guy's this much better than the guy we traded
14:40away.
14:41And that's worth doing and paying all the extra stuff and the extra money.
14:46I just love how, how ballsy it is.
14:49It's just so, so bold for a team that's already won recent, like recently, like, right.
14:55I mean, that's only five years ago, four years ago.
14:58Yeah.
14:59What is that?
14:59Five, five years ago now.
15:01Um, just stunning 21 season.
15:05Okay.
15:10Well, I doubt we end up sort of holding court on this trade because people are not going
15:15to call us to engage on it.
15:17I would think, I mean, right.
15:19Yeah.
15:19Yeah.
15:20The only, the only thing you could say is like, I I'd love the bills to be able to make
15:23such
15:23a trade, but I do again, want to, I want to stick up for the Browns because I think what
15:30they did is very hard to do.
15:32Not everybody would put it like that.
15:34Some would say how easy it is.
15:36Like I mentioned the Sabres before.
15:38I don't know if the Sabres were even this aggressive.
15:41Like they were always dumping.
15:44So I don't know, like you, you might get tired of that as a franchise and the Browns could
15:52have sat there with their Deshaun Watson stock and their draft picks and been like, what do
16:00you mean?
16:00Why would we do this?
16:01But I bet it was the plan going back a year to make this move.
16:06And I don't know, like, I'm sure like we've talked about and you're saying a lot of people
16:11are going to rag on them or tell you how much better the Rams got.
16:16I think they probably got a little better, maybe a lot, but it's hard to know.
16:19And the guy that they gave up is really good.
16:22Good to see it.
16:24I thought here, Odell Beckham was going to be our first topic.
16:28Speaking of the Rams and that Superbowl in which he tears his ACL.
16:31That's right.
16:32Five years ago.
16:33Yeah.
16:33I mean, not necessarily a huge topic, but it would be interesting to talk about him.
16:39The Bills go to LA for a Monday night game in week five.
16:44And the Rams, who already were the betting favorite, which that's interesting in itself
16:50with Seattle out there.
16:52How many times does that happen where the defending Superbowl winner is in your division
16:57and you're still the favorite to win the whole thing.
17:00But the Rams were just above Seattle.
17:02Then it's Buffalo and Baltimore.
17:06That's the top four.
17:07And the Rams odds got.
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