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Il 10 agosto 2007, a Sanremo, Antonella Multari viene uccisa dal suo ex fidanzato Luca Delfino.   Luca Delfino (Genova, 30 luglio 1977) è un criminale italiano, soprannominato il "Killer delle fidanzate". Responsabile dell'omicidio della sua ex fidanzata nel 2007 a Sanremo, è stato indagato e processato anche per un altro delitto per il quale però è stato assolto.   Link: Delitti in famiglia  Playlist:  https://dailymotion.com/playlist/xc1zy2  |S1E1| Il Caso Melania Rea  https://dai.ly/xa72bbk  |S1E2| Il Caso Lorys Stival  https://dai.ly/xa72td4  |S1E3| Il Caso Carretta  https://dai.ly/xa72veq  |S2E1| Il Caso Vannini  https://dai.ly/xa73278  |S2E2| Il Caso Delfino  https://dai.ly/xa734iu   #DelittiInFamiglia #StefanoNazzi #Femminicidio #LucaDelfino #Nazzi ##Crime #TrueCrime #Delitti #Misteri #Killer #SerialKiller #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #Mistero #Delitto #Documentari #Documentario #Docu #Doc #DivinumCrime

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00:00:11We are at the beginning of 2006. Many things will happen that year. Prodi manages to

00:00:17again to beat Berlusconi in the elections to govern the country. We are 2 to 2 for now in the

00:00:22challenge that sees them as protagonists. And speaking of football results, Italy in 2006 returns

00:00:29win the World Cup. It hasn't happened in 24 years. The world hasn't yet

00:00:35experienced the great economic crisis of 2008. The first social networks began to spread

00:00:41that the press and television are still the ones spreading the news. If something significant happens,

00:00:47something dramatic, something like the telling of these two stories. Stories that develop

00:00:53in Liguria, between Genoa and Sanremo, which for once unfortunately will not be synonymous with song,

00:01:00Flowers and joy. It's a story involving two young women, Luciana Biggi and Antonella.

00:01:06Multari, united by a tragic end and the name of a man. That man's name is associated with

00:01:11a word that is unfortunately very well known today, but which was still unfamiliar back then, the word

00:01:17stalker. His name is Luca Delfino. The other word associated with his name is

00:01:24of femicide, the tragic outcome to which persecutory behavior can culminate

00:01:29of a stalker. From the facts we will tell and which see him as the protagonist, the first

00:01:36Italian law on stalking, unfortunately still very relevant. But it's time to go back.

00:01:4218 years old. This story begins on January 6, 2006 in Genoa.

00:02:28Luciana and I are twins. I keep saying we're twins because we are. In fact.

00:02:34every anniversary of my birthday, our birthday, I go to visit her at the cemetery because

00:02:39It's not just mine, it's his too.

00:02:44I am Bruna Biggi, I am the sister of Luciana Biggi, who died in Genoa in 2006, the night between

00:02:50April 27th and 28th.

00:02:57After we were 18 or 19, we started hanging out together. We went out, we went

00:03:04to dance, we went for a drink. In our famous alleys where there is the

00:03:10Genoese nightlife, where you can have fun, hang out in company, and there's always music playing.

00:03:15We got engaged every now and then, but she wasn't really into long-term cohabitations, whereas

00:03:21me much more.

00:03:23Both genuine, though. I was more of a fan, the one in the stands, she was the one

00:03:27a little more to be heard, let's say, on television.

00:03:33On the night of January 6, 2006, at 3 in the morning I heard the doorbell ring, Luciana had

00:03:40I forgot my keys. I opened them a little annoyed, because it woke me up in the middle of the night.

00:03:46I open the door and she comes to me cheerfully from a party, because it was the day of the Epiphany, and she stays

00:03:53Strangely, on the landing. I couldn't figure out why, but this thing appeared behind her...

00:03:57In fact, she begins, "Oh, let me introduce you to Luca, my savior. I look carefully, behind there's this...

00:04:04boy with a visor hat, shorter than her, very much in the shadow and I didn't understand

00:04:13what meaning it had. At a certain point he introduces it to me, almost pushes it forward, he very

00:04:18shy, always with his head bowed, he comes forward and she introduces him and Luca... There were

00:04:24some boys who were bothering me and he walked me home.

00:04:31I tell him, okay, okay, anyway at this point you say goodbye, it's 3 in the morning,

00:04:37let's go to sleep, maybe it's better this way, right? I take this boy's hand,

00:04:41I say, thank you for bringing her home to me, safe and sound, give me your phone number and

00:04:47Then we'll update you tomorrow, in the next few days. Instead, he stays there. Luciana insists.

00:04:53saying, no, but at least let's let her in, offer her something to drink, something to eat,

00:04:59I tell him, but it's not even the case, 3 in the morning, after all. From that point on, I don't understand.

00:05:04because this boy, seeing this altercation between two sisters at that time on the landing,

00:05:11he's not leaving.

00:05:11The Bigi family was suddenly hit by a series of deaths. First the

00:05:18Luciana and Bruna's older brother, then their father and finally their mother.

00:05:26One evening I convince myself to try to understand who this character is and I realize that

00:05:31Luciana no longer has this enthusiasm towards him, that she wants to get rid of him but he doesn't

00:05:39It doesn't go away, it doesn't go away. I realize that she's fed up, that she's tired. Sometimes it

00:05:47he verbally attacks and you see him very humble, very meek, very silent, while

00:05:55instead she was nervous, angry, telling him not to underestimate him because this

00:06:00This person here may be silent and mute, but I don't like him. I find him treacherous, not for nothing.

00:06:06night, returning that night there, I made him sit in the kitchen with a blank sheet of paper, a pen, me in

00:06:14feet and I told him please, now write me your name, surname, where you live, whose son you are and your

00:06:22phone number is everything else. We spent a night like this, a sleepless night not

00:06:27he wrote nothing. In the end you convince Luciana to tell him but look, doesn't it seem strange to you that this

00:06:32The person here is always here, he doesn't have a home, a family. She arrived one day

00:06:39enthusiastically telling me you know he invited me to his house. When Luciana Bizzi was killed

00:06:44She's 36 years old, but who is Luciana? She's a woman like many others with her disappointments, her passions,

00:06:49his life. Among his passions we know that he loved fitness, so much so that for many years

00:06:56He had taught in some gyms in Genoa and the surrounding area. Among his dreams was precisely

00:07:01to open his own gym. We know little or nothing about Luca Delfino.

00:07:07At the time of the facts he was 29 years old, he never had a job as far as we know, however

00:07:12a stable job. He lived a rather unstable life even for certain periods, it was really

00:07:18A homeless man. At that time, he lived with his father, stepmother, and younger brother.

00:07:28When he comes back in the evening he was very happy, he tells me, yes he is a mother, a father, a stepbrother,

00:07:34a nice family, look they brought the pesto and they also gave us the sauce. And I

00:07:41he told me, it seems they want to free him, why don't they keep him instead of giving me

00:07:45pesto for me.

00:07:47Luca Delfino calls the most important women in his life, who are two, in two different ways.

00:07:56The biological mother, he calls her that, the woman who brought me into the world. The mother, the

00:08:05stepmother, his father's second wife, is his mother. But the mother who has

00:08:12brought into the world, one fine day, clearly the beautiful one is very sarcastic, a very ugly one

00:08:18day, he took his father's rifle which had been dismantled and hidden in a closet, not

00:08:29I remember where, he mounted it and shot himself. He apparently killed himself, obviously this is the information.

00:08:40that we had in front of the child or in any case while the child was at home. This abandonment

00:08:47he perceived it as an obviously dramatic and traumatic event and then his story,

00:08:56alas, it speaks of uncontrolled reactions in situations of abandonment.

00:09:05I'm Riccardo Lamonaca, Luca Delfino's defender.

00:09:12He was very gentle, very much in the shadows, but it was clear that he studied in an ambiguous way.

00:09:23This guy here, how's it going, how's it going? He saw her as quite annoyed, but all in all...

00:09:30he defended him. But no, but he's good, but no, come on, little one, his mother passed away and that

00:09:38The one who raised her is a stepmother. And I say, poor thing, up to a certain point.

00:09:42Look, in three months he did me in, he met her on January 6th, on the 26th she was dead.

00:09:46On April 9, 2006, three weeks before the murder, a very disturbing event occurred.

00:09:52Luciana Biggi's life is put in danger.

00:09:58This episode will alarm her twin sister Bruna even more.

00:10:03regarding the relationship between Luca and his sister.

00:10:08That is, the house blew up on Palm Sunday.

00:10:12Someone had left the tap open, left the gas clamp

00:10:17and it's already good that my sister was sleeping over there and the gas was walking because the windows were open.

00:10:24Anyway, they evacuated the building and turned off the gas.

00:10:28Only by one chance did nothing serious or irreparable happen.

00:10:34Luca Delfino had slept in that apartment

00:10:37and had left the apartment shortly before the explosion.

00:10:41Rereading the fire brigade reports and reviewing the testimonies of the neighbors,

00:10:46what is most disturbing is this.

00:10:49That is, it is emphasized that the explosion was due to either an attempted suicide or an attempted murder.

00:10:56Why? Because the gas pipe clamp had been tampered with.

00:11:00I even went to Luciana to ask her, but she didn't try to kill you, but she said

00:11:04are you crazy or bunni? She called me bunni.

00:11:08And I say, did you enter the house alone?

00:11:12Yes, it's 5 in the morning, there are witnesses who say they could hear them arguing.

00:11:16Then in the evening I arrive and find him sweeping the windows.

00:11:19He also turned off his phone the whole time.

00:11:22He only showed up when the journalists arrived, as always,

00:11:25because he shows off his inner narcissist in front of journalists.

00:11:30The day after the notice and I tell him, Luciana, we can't go on here.

00:11:34why do you realize that this person here is dangerous?

00:11:37I can't take it anymore, so I tell him, Luciana, I'm going to stay with a friend or with

00:11:41a friend,

00:11:42I leave, I pack my two bags again, I'm back on the landing, I wait for the elevator

00:11:48and I tell him, hello Luciana, you see for yourself, I told you in every way,

00:11:52You're grown up but it's vaccination day, I can't take it anymore.

00:11:56At this point Luciana understands, opens those big doe eyes she had and tells me

00:12:01no Bugni don't go away, Bugni don't go away, while I'm on the landing in front of the elevator with

00:12:08the bags.

00:12:08So do something Luciana, push it out for me please, I'll boil the bags, she pushes it out for me,

00:12:14I catch him, I take him, I practically knock him down and Luciana I tell him more than the door and more than

00:12:21you inside.

00:12:22At one point he starts insulting me, so I kick him down three flights of stairs,

00:12:28I live on the third floor or three floors, up to the landing.

00:12:30Then when I take the elevator I arrive, I get in the car, he knocks on my door and says

00:12:36Will you give me a ride? And I ask him, do you want under the front wheels or the back ones? You choose.

00:12:42From that moment on, in my opinion, he had definitively removed himself from my sister's life, from our life.

00:12:50But that wasn't the case.

00:12:58The next morning, as I get up and do my housework, I turn on the television,

00:13:04It was about a girl found dead in the alleys who still had no identity.

00:13:10From there I really felt like I was stabbed in the heart.

00:13:14The woman found strangled in Genoa still hasn't been named.

00:13:17The victim struggled with her attacker before dying.

00:13:20Investigations have been launched to trace the identity of the murdered young woman,

00:13:24as the head of the Genoa mobile squad Claudio Sanfilippo explains to us.

00:13:28We are still working to try to identify the woman who has no criminal record.

00:13:33and had no identification documents.

00:13:36I was on the so-called on-call shift, it was clear that it was a murder,

00:13:44I was called and among other things the murder had been committed a few steps from my house,

00:13:50so it didn't take me long to reach the place.

00:13:58My name is Enrico Zucca and I am a magistrate of the Italian Republic.

00:14:03At the time of the Delfino case which I dealt with,

00:14:06I was working at the Public Prosecutor's Office at the Court of Genoa.

00:14:10The young woman found dead on the street in Vico San Bernardo,

00:14:13in the historic center of Genoa at 3 am, now it has a name.

00:14:16Luciana Biggi, 36 years old, from Genoa, lived in the Teglia neighborhood,

00:14:20in Valpolcevera.

00:14:21The optic examination revealed some details which, according to the forensic doctors,

00:14:27they raised the hypothesis of an attack committed by several people.

00:14:32The coroner's report is quite clear regarding the causes of Luciana Biggi's death.

00:14:37In all likelihood, Luciana would have been killed by

00:14:41a blow to the throat with a broken bottle.

00:14:46At that point, the investigators told me, they were talking about a robbery.

00:14:51I'm trying to understand, to reconstruct, let's say, the last 24 hours of this woman's life.

00:14:56For now, the robbery hypothesis seems to be the most supported by investigators.

00:15:00I said, but we have a victim, I would like to know who he is exactly, what his contacts were,

00:15:08I want to know about this person's life.

00:15:11And they showed me a frame from a camera in the alleys where they told me A, B, C, D, E.

00:15:18And, And, even though it was in the shadows, it was the dolphin, the monster.

00:15:22So there, I said, if he was there, it was him.

00:15:29Luca Delfino emerges as a figure of suspicion, or rather at this point as a suspect,

00:15:37which then became the main subject of investigation.

00:15:42I met Luca Delfino many years ago, when he was still a boy.

00:15:48I met him when he was the victim of a crime, so when he was an offended person.

00:15:53Then over the years we met again a few times, always for small matters,

00:15:59I would call these trivial matters, petty crimes.

00:16:03I arrived at the police station at six in the evening and left at six the next morning.

00:16:12Bruva is like a sister and everyone who knows me, knows me, knows her,

00:16:21they knew us two together, they must know that I have done nothing wrong,

00:16:26They need to know that I'm sick, that I'm hurting, they need to know that I'm close to his sister.

00:16:33Luca Delfino, 29, from Genoa, remains the only person under investigation for the death of Luciana Biggi.

00:16:39Luca, however, defended himself and proclaimed his innocence in front of the cameras, assisted by his lawyer Riccardo Lamonaca.

00:16:45Luca Delfino was objectively, undoubtedly pleased with this absolutely unexpected,

00:16:52but for him exceptional visibility, media visibility.

00:16:57What was very striking was the way his gaze changed profoundly.

00:17:03That is, Delfino was capable, in the space of a few seconds, of switching from this type of attitude,

00:17:09a basically cocky attitude, which makes a bit of a fool of the journalists,

00:17:16who jokes about his legal troubles, eager to get the attention of reporters and cameras,

00:17:23faced with a question that is perhaps a little twisted, a little more incisive about his responsibilities,

00:17:29his gaze was truly transfigured and then it was possible to catch those very sinister eyes

00:17:36which characterize some of his peculiar images that ended up in the newspapers.

00:17:46Luciana Biggi will spend the last 24 hours before her death with Luca Delfino.

00:17:51From the investigation documents and the images from the cameras we see them walking through the Caruggi of Genoa,

00:17:58stop for a drink, a bite to eat, in short, just to have an evening like any other.

00:18:03It was Luciana herself who asked Luca to come to her house, as we know from their phone records.

00:18:09My sister was finished two weeks ago, she was living her life, I had my life and I didn't

00:18:15'it was no problem.

00:18:16But that evening we were still laughing and joking, he spoke on the phone with my mom,

00:18:20They saw people sitting at the tables laughing and joking and everything was fine, I mean,

00:18:26we started singing, drinking wine, singing, laughing, and he met other people.

00:18:32It's a pleasant evening anyway, they saw us.

00:18:35Delfino, the evening I met him at the police station for questioning by Dr. Zucca,

00:18:42he posed as the well-mannered boy, short-haired, beardless, completely innocent,

00:18:53unwillingly involved in a matter which, however, in its outcome, did not concern him in the least.

00:19:01It happened that, that nothing, a girl died and I didn't kill her.

00:19:07This is what happened, that she was not killed by me, that I hope they find the culprit,

00:19:12and I hope they find who killed her as soon as possible, but... I don't know.

00:19:17A relationship born out of sheer force that fizzles out in a matter of months, with a tragic ending.

00:19:23At the moment, Luciana Biggi is a young woman who died in circumstances that are still unclear.

00:19:29As they say in these cases, all leads are followed,

00:19:32Among the hypotheses is that it may have been a theft, a crime like many others.

00:19:37No one used the term femicide at the time, but that's what we'll talk about.

00:19:43And there'll be a name mentioned. The name is Luca Delfino.

00:19:48Who is he really? What did he do that night?

00:19:50Luca Delfino doesn't even have time to ask himself these questions before he begins a new story.

00:19:56And for a while, all trace of him is lost.

00:20:07Before moving forward with this story, we need to take a step back.

00:20:12Going, that is, to February 2005.

00:20:14The occasion is special. I remember it only because it is special.

00:20:19Here in Genoa, too, it's the hospital, because I find them for my leg.

00:20:24A chance meeting at the car to have chapel, let's say.

00:20:32In February 2005 my husband underwent surgery

00:20:35that I had to have neck surgery.

00:20:38While I was waiting to leave the operating room,

00:20:41which was quite a complicated operation,

00:20:43My daughter says to me, Mom, let's go get a coffee from the vending machines.

00:20:46I mean, no, Antonella, I told her, kiss you, I don't want it.

00:20:50Come on, come on.

00:20:51I told him, no.

00:20:53And I saw that he was late to get a coffee and come up.

00:20:57I mean, what took you so long, Antonella?

00:21:00You know, Mom, I met a boy at the coffee machine.

00:21:07Now we started chatting, we exchanged phone numbers.

00:21:12A year has passed and I actually asked my daughter a couple of times.

00:21:18I mean, Antonella, I told you, but that boy you met in Genoa

00:21:21that you exchanged phone numbers.

00:21:24He tells me, Mom, what do I know, he hasn't been heard from again,

00:21:27I'm not even going to look for it myself.

00:21:34We were a happy family, very happy.

00:21:39For us it was, it was the three of us, that was it.

00:21:41But she loved dancing so much and she was always a very attached girl to us.

00:21:50In May 2006, however, about a year and a half after that fateful meeting at the coffee machine,

00:21:56but above all just under a month after the disappearance of Luciana Biggi,

00:22:01Luca Delfino reappears in Antonella's life and the two begin dating.

00:22:05We all met, all three of us, at my house, under the door,

00:22:11that we arrive from work.

00:22:14We introduced ourselves, I'm pleased, he came up.

00:22:17He came up, we had, I remember, an aperitif which was before dinner.

00:22:23Always him with the dark glasses.

00:22:25I say to myself, but he will have some problems with his eyes,

00:22:30because when you wear dark glasses, even in winter, in the dark.

00:22:36One day, one moment he took it off, I don't know by mistake,

00:22:40and I saw some eyes in this person...

00:22:46I can't explain to myself what he had here, those eyes there.

00:22:52I felt like something was stabbing me inside.

00:23:01After two or three evenings, we finished work, we all went to my house,

00:23:06even though my daughter lived alone, she had her own dealings and everything.

00:23:11And then we carried the groceries, right? I carried the groceries and packed them in bags.

00:23:16And he would take my grocery bags, bring them to my house, he wouldn't...

00:23:24And then I felt guilty inside too, right?

00:23:28I say, look how cute this boy is, I judged him at first sight, I judged him,

00:23:34and instead he is thoughtful.

00:23:36And after that, slowly, slowly, as time went by, I saw my daughter or not.

00:23:44We can define Luca Delfino as a stalker in all respects.

00:23:47This first phase is a phase in which Luca Delfino certainly gives a reassuring image of himself,

00:23:52an image that still allows the one who would later become the victim,

00:23:59to approach calmly.

00:24:01It gives an image of itself which is essentially a disguise, therefore a construction.

00:24:06which perhaps most likely has little to do with the real image of himself.

00:24:12A subsequent phase which is that of emotional cooling in which the stalker in a certain sense

00:24:18begins to show signs of slowing down and loosening his emotional commitment towards the victim

00:24:30and will therefore put into action some behaviors that the victim will have great difficulty in classifying as the stalker's style

00:24:38then he will have difficulty recognizing him in some of his behaviors.

00:24:45I'm Valentina Marsella, a psychotherapist and criminologist.

00:24:49After a while he began to have a harsh, domineering attitude towards Antonella,

00:24:55even violent and Antonella was no longer able to push him away, she saw this for herself.

00:25:03Absolutely yes because my daughter was present in our life since she got together with this Luca Delfino.

00:25:09Little by little she moved away from us and that was the beginning of what led to her death.

00:25:14But she was very close to you before, right?

00:25:17She slowly moved away because her mother said that they spoke every day, she always called her.

00:25:23and when she started dating this guy instead he started calling her less and less.

00:25:28He would take the phone and not let me, his colleagues or his dad call him.

00:25:35that his dad was going crazy.

00:25:40Nobody, nobody.

00:25:41At one point I got really angry with my daughter.

00:25:44he told her please come by this evening when you finish work.

00:25:50No mom, I'm on the motorbike with Luca because he wouldn't let her breathe for a moment.

00:25:55I go to the police and tell them look at the steps like this, like this and like this.

00:26:00The first answer was given to me.

00:26:02Madam, your daughter is a grown adult and can do whatever she wants with her life.

00:26:06I say yes, okay, but I can't even see her. As a mother, I want to know what's going on.

00:26:14Madam, we cannot intervene unless it is you who calls directly to say that this person here

00:26:22he rapes her, he treats her badly but how can she call him because he took her phone and

00:26:29'has isolated the world?

00:26:31She can't call him. And then he called me, who is this guy?

00:26:37I mean, look, I only know that his name is Luca.

00:26:39Then the situation changes. Luca Delfino pulls one of his pranks and ends up in the newspapers.

00:26:44Thus the Bulteri family discovers its true identity.

00:26:50We return home near Agro Marina.

00:26:54I have a broken third party brush that doesn't sweep it.

00:26:57And I have the brush that I take, the great hero, the great thief, the Arsenio Rupendo of the poor

00:27:03of the situation.

00:27:04What do I do? At an open bar I took two-thirds of the installation from a machine.

00:27:09The police car also arrived.

00:27:11The car belonged to the bartender across the street, there was a bar across the street.

00:27:14The car was parked in front of the bar.

00:27:16And so I was taken to the Carabinieri in Agro Marina and held in custody with her all night.

00:27:22An incredible shame.

00:27:24And there we discovered his last name.

00:27:27Who did this brother-in-law of mine go to investigate? This person.

00:27:31And Luca Telfino was under investigation for the murder of Luciana Biggi.

00:27:37Here the bomb exploded.

00:27:40And there I immediately went to the police again.

00:27:43I said look, you say to stay calm.

00:27:46But this boy who is with my daughter is under investigation for the murder of a girl who at the time did not know

00:27:53not even the name.

00:27:55But no sir, don't worry.

00:27:57Yes we know who he is.

00:27:59Don't worry, this person is breathing down your neck.

00:28:08Nothing happens to his daughter.

00:28:10It may take time for the victim to realize that he is making them change their way of life, their way of thinking,

00:28:18habits.

00:28:19He is totally isolating her from the context into which she then worked so hard to fit us.

00:28:27So the victim will feel increasingly hunted, increasingly controlled, increasingly less free to express himself.

00:28:34After a while I hear a noise, I don't know what exactly, but it's almost like a fight.

00:28:43And then I approached.

00:28:45What did you see?

00:28:46And I saw that Antonella's blouse was all torn.

00:28:51He hugged me and cried.

00:28:53I was telling you, Anto, what's happening?

00:28:56Explain what's happening.

00:28:58He's like, I don't know, Mom.

00:28:59One day I arrived and found her jacket all torn up.

00:29:12What happened?

00:29:15He says to me, no, nothing, mom, don't worry, I took it with an iron hook there in the shop, don't worry, nothing.

00:29:24And then her colleague told me, no, Rosa, he came and beat her.

00:29:29Did we call the police?

00:29:31By the time we called the police, he had run away and left.

00:29:37He tried to somehow advise the girl to talk to her parents who were extremely worried.

00:29:46precisely in relation to what they put in the newspapers about the personality of Luca Delfino,

00:29:53precisely that he was under investigation for this murder of Biggi in Genoa and therefore they were very worried

00:29:58for what the fate of their daughter might be.

00:30:03I am Lieutenant Colonel Gianluigi di Pilato, I am the commander of the Ravenna operational unit.

00:30:09At the time of the events I was the commander of the Ventimiglia Carabinieri company.

00:30:12Antonella retraces the days of the breakup, explaining how Luca didn't accept her decision.

00:30:17and in those delicate moments it was Antonella's parents who helped her.

00:30:22They welcomed her back into their home to try to protect her, but they couldn't.

00:30:26When Antonella came to live with us again, I told us

00:30:30Antonella, what was going through your head?

00:30:33He makes me feel like a mother, but he seems like a clean boy to me, but then it was like love at first sight,

00:30:39I fell in love, what can I say? I didn't know him well.

00:30:47On Christmas Eve 2006, we were all happy at home, eating, having big dinners, all relaxed.

00:30:55At a certain point I'm at this doorbell, it says to me mommy I'm going, Antonella, open it and I'll hear what you say

00:31:04what are you doing here, go away.

00:31:06And she closes the door, and to close the door he puts his foot in so as not to close the door.

00:31:12He arrived with a bottle of sparkling wine, a dessert, a panettone, I can't even tell you what it was.

00:31:18A gift for her and her parents, because I was expecting something,

00:31:23De Nindlon, good evening, best wishes, Merry Christmas, this is for you.

00:31:28Let's put a big stone on it, not because, as I said and repeat, at Christmas we are all better,

00:31:34but because in the end there was a story, there is a story, there is a strong bond.

00:31:41Well, this Cristiano left from Genoa, he travelled 150-200 km by train to come here to bring

00:31:51my gifts to us

00:31:52and then I would have left, because it was the evening of the 24th, it was Christmas Eve.

00:31:57At one point my husband, as best he could, poor thing, got up to go to the door.

00:32:04I was in the kitchen, fiddling around, and slowly, and my husband does,

00:32:10Antonella, call the police immediately, make him go away, call the police immediately.

00:32:15And the police arrive at the house, but he has disappeared.

00:32:21Luca Delfino's escape, however, was brief.

00:32:23When the police car drives away, he rushes back to the Multari family's house.

00:32:28and rings the doorbell twice.

00:32:30Who is it? It's Luca, but I'm screaming.

00:32:33I want to talk to Antonella, because of her I can't have the relationship I want with Antonella.

00:32:38I love her, I can't live without her.

00:32:42Sure, look, Antonella doesn't want to talk to you, please.

00:32:45Go on, let us celebrate Christmas in Holy Peace.

00:32:49Nothing.

00:32:50I want to talk to Antonella, I'll make her pay for this, because of her.

00:32:54I'll make him pay for this.

00:32:56There are other episodes besides the one on Christmas Eve.

00:32:59One day Luca Delfino will be found inside Antonella's car,

00:33:03another one even in front of his front door.

00:33:06Then he runs away on high when he sees Antonella's uncle.

00:33:11Luca Delfino's behavior is increasingly suffocating.

00:33:14The Multari family can't take it anymore.

00:33:16She's exasperated.

00:33:18So much so that she will decide to report him for harassment.

00:33:21I think there was the trial for the complaint I made.

00:33:27They convicted him, gentlemen.

00:33:30Eighty euro fine.

00:33:31An eighty euro fine that's not even a parking ban anymore.

00:33:35Eighty euros.

00:33:36In a dynamic very similar to the relationship he had with Luciana Biggi,

00:33:40also with Antonella Multari,

00:33:41in the end Luca Delfino manages to reconnect.

00:33:44I know Valentine's Day time he went with flowers to make peace,

00:33:50because he wanted to get back together, because he couldn't live without her.

00:33:55And they were, I think, they reconnected, but not for long, for a little while.

00:34:01For a little while.

00:34:02Now the dates, I repeat, I don't remember.

00:34:06But then after a while they went back to the beginning,

00:34:09because there were threats there.

00:34:12If he doesn't come home I'll kill you.

00:34:15Remember who I am.

00:34:18Watch out, I'll kill you.

00:34:19Come home I'll kill you.

00:34:22She was very annoyed.

00:34:24And he told him if you don't come home tonight

00:34:29I'll beat you up, I'll beat you to death, I'll make you pay for it.

00:34:33What is threatened?

00:34:34Yes, yes, yes.

00:34:36In fact she was terrified, because she often said

00:34:38What are you doing? Are you pulling my hair out?

00:34:41What are you doing?

00:34:42That is, all the things that he actually did to her,

00:34:44she screamed at her.

00:34:46What are you doing? Hitting me? Pulling my hair?

00:34:49But Antonella has always reiterated to us others

00:34:52that she was absolutely aware of

00:34:56and she was conscious, absolutely convinced

00:35:03to continue this relationship.

00:35:07Until one day I met Antonella Multari.

00:35:13Delfino brought her to my studio to introduce me to her

00:35:17and I saw this girl who immediately made a great impression on me

00:35:22in the sense that I rated her as a good girl,

00:35:29a girl in love with Luca Delfino.

00:35:32then at a certain point Luca Delfino asked me if he could go to the bathroom

00:35:37and I told him go ahead you know where it is

00:35:41and the girl was left alone with me in the room.

00:35:45And then at that point he turned to me with great sincerity and familiarity

00:35:51he told me I'm desperate because this relationship is going well on one hand

00:36:00but for many others it doesn't go well so I don't know how to behave.

00:36:05I saw her defenseless, I saw her tender and then I told her I'll give you some advice

00:36:13leave him, go away, disappear, he's not the guy for you.

00:36:21However, the reconciliation between the two does not last long.

00:36:24Antonella Multari has decided to say goodbye to Luca Delfino for good.

00:36:29but for Luca Delfino the word God does not exist.

00:36:33Then he gets another message that no one has investigated there either.

00:36:40because my daughter had left him.

00:36:44He sent us a message in April, I don't remember now I'm a bit...

00:36:49In April, tell us, remember what day it is today.

00:36:52These words refer to April 27, 2006, the day Luciana Biggi was killed.

00:37:00A message that certainly sounds like a threat, a disturbing threat.

00:37:06Tell me, after everything that happened, how they looked at him, how they looked at him.

00:37:12They even heard my daughter's wiretap, which just hearing about it gives me goosebumps.

00:37:20There's a psychopathic step, you understand?

00:37:22Yes.

00:37:22You were in the asylum.

00:37:24You tell me in person, okay?

00:37:26Yes, so you put your hands around my neck in person, right?

00:37:30I won't lay a finger on you.

00:37:31I'm not touching you with my hair, am I?

00:37:34Why a person to be with her, you know what you do?

00:37:37Either you put your hands around her neck, or you grab her by the hair.

00:37:40Or even force her to have sex, huh?

00:37:43Because that way you at least have to keep her with you, right?

00:37:46I'm forcing the people you keep with you, you understand?

00:37:49No, look, it seems to me that...

00:37:50I'm forcing them, disgusting, disgusting.

00:37:53So get out of the f***ing house, Luca, because I'm getting you out, I'm getting you out.

00:37:58Ah, good, threat, threat, good.

00:37:59Am I threatening you?

00:38:00If you are the one forcing me to stay with you, you are in my house.

00:38:04And I'm late for work, and I tell Rosita, and I tell Rosita

00:38:08Next time you don't see me arrive at half past eight, call the police.

00:38:13Did you understand?

00:38:14Because with you, only the police are needed.

00:38:17Because Luca Delfino won't leave with those ways!

00:38:22Luca Delfino, do you know what he does?

00:38:25Either you stay with him or he'll get killed!

00:38:29We arrive at the final stage which is the depersonalization of the victim

00:38:33that, as happens and will happen later with the Dolphin, the victim Antonella had become only and exclusively an object,

00:38:41an object of desire, an object that had to be owned until the end.

00:38:46The next day Antonella was supposed to go to France to celebrate her birthday with her colleagues,

00:38:53she had bought the dress and everything.

00:38:56He calls me, he says, mum, make sure you don't come for lunch, my hours are numbered, my minutes are numbered because

00:39:02then he had to go to work at three, so he had to do…

00:39:06Okay, I said but please, Antonella, be careful.

00:39:09Yes, but I don't go racing anyway, I'll see you tonight for dinner, bye, kisses to dad, period.

00:39:16I left feeling calm as she had gone to get a sunbed in Sanremo.

00:39:28On August 10, 2007, I was driving along Via Volta,

00:39:35I was about to turn in that split second, I heard an inhuman scream

00:39:41and I saw this character who was running, he was running away

00:39:53and it was all covered in blood in front.

00:39:57I said to myself, but this must have done something.

00:40:00Delfino was arrested after stabbing his ex-partner Maria Antonia Multari to death,

00:40:0533 years ago, it happened right in the center of Sanremo.

00:40:09And I will never forget that scream.

00:40:12The girl had just left a beauty salon.

00:40:14I took the car down the normal road, calmly.

00:40:20He turned in the direction that I couldn't pass with the car

00:40:24and I said well, I'll try to see if I can intercept it from the bottom.

00:40:30I get to the bottom, turn left, and then I turn left again.

00:40:35I always find this character coming towards me.

00:40:40I stopped the car, got out and told him to stop.

00:40:48He stopped, then I noticed he had a knife in his hand

00:40:53and I told him throw away the knife.

00:40:55He threw the knife away, the police intervened, they came there.

00:40:59They took it, loaded it up and carried it away.

00:41:04Delfino was stopped by a patrol car a few meters from the crime scene.

00:41:08He still had the kitchen knife in his hand, stained with blood.

00:41:11At a certain point I see Rosita arriving.

00:41:14Rosita is another colleague.

00:41:16Sure Rosi, what are you doing here, right?

00:41:18But I saw that her face was a little gloomy.

00:41:21They tell me, no Rosi, change, come with me we have to go to Sanremo

00:41:24that Antonella had an accident.

00:41:26We leave and I see, this Rosita is very old, she doesn't tell me anything.

00:41:32Of course Rosi, tell me what happened Antonella, where did she have these accidents?

00:41:36Farosa, I started crying, she met Luca.

00:41:41When I said I met Luca I screamed while driving, I don't know how.

00:41:46I put my hands in my hair and told him he killed her.

00:41:51I arrived at the hospital in Sanremo, I don't know how I got there.

00:41:56I go to see where my daughter is and they won't let me see her.

00:42:01And there I started screaming like a desperate woman, I took it, poor thing.

00:42:05With the police, the carabinieri who were there telling us that it's his fault, his fault, his fault.

00:42:11Because they couldn't get me to watch it.

00:42:13Because my daughter's death is a death foretold.

00:42:19It's a glimpse just as I was playing in a meadow with my daughter and my dog at the time.

00:42:24He received a phone call from the Imperia police station and the commissioner, the inspector, told me, lawyer

00:42:32He's not in Genoa, he's in the area, why should he come here as soon as he can.

00:42:39And I said to him, but tell me why?

00:42:41It's because we arrested one of his clients for murder.

00:42:46I mean, who? Luca Delfino killed Antonella Multari.

00:42:53My world fell apart at that moment because even if you do this job you are never used to it.

00:43:01to certain news.

00:43:02I was really impressed.

00:43:06About a year ago, on April 28, 2006, Luciana Biggi, 36 years old, died in the same way, her throat cut at night in a

00:43:13alley in the historic center of Genoa.

00:43:15She had spent the evening with Delfino, obsessive, jealous, violent, he had been persecuting her for months for abandoning him and he hasn't

00:43:23doubts Bruna Biggi, Luciana's twin.

00:43:25He's the real killer of girlfriends who say no to him.

00:43:29A complex personality, kind, humble, protective, and at times ferocious and angry, Delfino is still the only person under investigation for that crime.

00:43:37They were convinced it was him.

00:43:39He probably felt untouchable. He felt, just as he'd gotten away with the first one, he'd gotten away with the second one too.

00:43:52Two stories ended badly in two years. While the culprit for the first one has yet to be found, for the second one there is no way.

00:44:00there are doubts.

00:44:01This brings us to the first trial against Delfino. At the centre of the debate is his personality and

00:44:09It is in his psyche that the motive is sought.

00:44:11Delfino's profile and modus operandi were not only those of an obsessed lover, but became the emblem

00:44:20of a stalker and, at least in this case, of a femicide.

00:44:26The conviction for the murder fine appears to be a foregone conclusion, but the trial will be an opportunity to delve into his

00:44:34personality and define a precise typology of male criminal.

00:44:38The profile of a serial stalker, a control freak, with serious personality deficits is increasingly emerging.

00:44:49and serious and unhealthy ways of relating to women.

00:44:53Delfino wanted to punish Antonella. Antonella's punishment is the attitude of someone who feels abandoned and feels abandoned.

00:45:06from the very person with whom he had the relationship and who he kept subjugated for a long time.

00:45:13Because Antonella was subjugated. When Delfino loses control, he kills.

00:45:21I remember very well, it was August 10th, I was on holiday in Puglia and I received a phone call from relatives

00:45:35of the Multari family who informed me of this atrocious affair.

00:45:43I am Marco Bosio, a lawyer from the Imperia court. I am the Multari family's lawyer in the trial against Luca Delfino.

00:45:53Can you speak to Antonella? Happy funeral, everyone!

00:45:57I'm sending you to visit, but you know?

00:45:59Quick, don't block me because I don't explain myself.

00:46:07And he also wanted to play the part of someone who was incapable of understanding and wanting because

00:46:15he claimed that Antonella was not dead.

00:46:20I remember him shouting something like that in the hallway.

00:46:24I am Edoardo Bracco. In 2009, when the summary trial against Delfino was held at the Sanremo Court,

00:46:34I was the preliminary investigations judge and I handled the case.

00:46:38I want to talk to Antonella.

00:46:40Who wants to talk?

00:46:42With Antonella.

00:46:42Antonella is no longer here, she's dead.

00:46:46He refused...

00:46:51of two non-parents.

00:46:54I don't allow myself to make these statements.

00:46:56I do not allow these statements to be made.

00:47:00I had a bit of a strong reaction.

00:47:02I remember that I invited the judge to tell the Dauphin to behave appropriately because these poor...

00:47:12people,

00:47:13Besides having lost their daughter, they still found themselves insulted, insulted by the Dauphin.

00:47:19There was a well-founded suspicion that the gentleman had a tendency to resolve relational situations that were very difficult for him in

00:47:37which raised the issue of abandonment with levels of ultraviolence.

00:47:41My name is Stefano Ferragudi, a doctor and professor of forensic psychopathology at Sapienza University of Rome.

00:47:49I was the civil party consultant in the Delfino trial.

00:47:55All the investigations for such reasons agree in considering Delfino a particularly complex person.

00:48:05First of all, he is a very intelligent person.

00:48:08In fact, he has an absolutely high IQ, very high.

00:48:13He is a person who has his own personal culture, a great cinema enthusiast and he is certainly a great actor

00:48:21of its kind.

00:48:24He is a person for whom it is often difficult to recognize the boundary between truth and lies.

00:48:34He's a person who has never been completely honest with me, either.

00:48:40A snake charmer is the word he is most often called.

00:48:44Because he was a person that if you didn't know him and if you didn't really know what he was in the

00:48:51reality,

00:48:52any woman would have been enchanted because he was a person who spoke, knew how to speak, and connected brain and words well.

00:49:00A snake charmer, clear-headed and determined.

00:49:04The trial against Luca Delfino for the murder of Antonella Multeri is an abbreviated procedure.

00:49:09There is not much to discuss whether he was guilty or not because he was caught red-handed.

00:49:14The crux of the matter is Luca Delfino's ability to understand or to want.

00:49:18The parties challenge each other with their expertise.

00:49:21The defense wants to demonstrate Luca Delfino's incapacity to understand or to want.

00:49:26While the prosecution and the civil party not only want to demonstrate Delfino's capacity to understand or to want,

00:49:32but even his premeditation of the crime.

00:49:35The question of whether the planning and organization of a criminal act in itself can exclude mental infirmity

00:49:45It's a complex topic.

00:49:47The answer is no, because one can have mental organizations of a delusional nature.

00:49:53for which you organize and implement even very complex actions

00:50:00on the basis of an idea which however was of a delusional nature.

00:50:05One day Luca Delfino wrote more than 200 text messages to girls,

00:50:11known to him during his, also for Italian rebirths,

00:50:15around stations, motels, streets, highways, service stations, everywhere.

00:50:23Some answered him, others told him to go to hell.

00:50:27Others even responded normally.

00:50:32Oh yes, hi Luca, I remember you, how are you?

00:50:35But yes, let's see each other.

00:50:36In the process of approaching the murder he does not miss anything

00:50:44regarding predatory attitudes towards women

00:50:49because he harasses several other people, other women.

00:50:53The first to suffer harassment is the shop assistant from the Genoa store

00:50:56where he goes to buy the necklace.

00:50:58At the station there was also an attempted harassment against a railway employee.

00:51:04When he arrives in Ventimiglia he goes to his parents' house

00:51:09because he is looking for Antonella at that moment.

00:51:11There he harasses a woman, a young architect who passes by,

00:51:17who is walking nearby.

00:51:19Not only that, but when he goes to Sanremo, he goes to Sanremo

00:51:24and when to steal the scooter and the helmet with which he will then wear it

00:51:30further searching for Antonella

00:51:32he also harasses two boys who clean a place there on the Sanremo promenade.

00:51:39He even has a taxi take him the day before to look for them.

00:51:42He knows where the house is because he lived there.

00:51:45He tells the taxi driver to go to Castelvittorio, which is a town beyond sweet water,

00:51:52and yet he doesn't even let himself be left in front of his house,

00:51:55he gets himself dropped off before the house because he says I've run out of money.

00:51:59This is to prevent the taxi driver from understanding where he is going.

00:52:02This is strong planning, it is the ability to organize the criminal moment very well.

00:52:10In the process, one of the main points will be the assessment of the capacity to understand

00:52:15and Luca Delfino's will at the time of the incident,

00:52:18that is, when he killed Antonella Multari.

00:52:32The manner of murder, my pair had a manner of a murder done by a sadist.

00:52:37The attack always happens from the front.

00:52:42Delfino wants Antonella to watch him kill her.

00:52:47Here we have no justification attitude,

00:52:53of request for justification from Antonella.

00:52:56He doesn't ask why you want to leave me.

00:52:59He doesn't say anything.

00:53:01He crosses the street and stabs her 40 times.

00:53:06Luca Delfino was sentenced to 16 years in prison.

00:53:09and then he will have to spend at least 5 years in a rehabilitation facility, a REMS.

00:53:15As often happens in these cases that have a great echo in the media,

00:53:20it raises more than one controversy and even some protests.

00:53:24Completely disappointed.

00:53:26If before one could hope for a minimum of justice,

00:53:29now we are 100% sure that justice in this disgusting country

00:53:33that is called Italy no longer exists for anyone.

00:53:37And I tell everyone to publicly do justice to her with your own hands.

00:53:40What will I do if this one comes out tomorrow?

00:53:43At the time, for this sentence that I imposed, I was sentenced to 16 years and 8 months.

00:53:47he was heavily criticized by the press at a national level, including by leading political figures

00:53:55who believed that my sentence was inadequate and that the Dauphin deserved life imprisonment.

00:54:04Then I remember that in reality I did not inflict the minimum or low or medium penalty,

00:54:11but I imposed the maximum penalty because I did not recognize the mitigating circumstances

00:54:16nor any other mitigating circumstances.

00:54:20I warned of the aggravating circumstance of premeditation,

00:54:23although my expert, so to speak, had explained

00:54:28that the Dolphin, precisely because of the serious personality disorders he had,

00:54:33he was a subject incapable of planning a criminal action.

00:54:38And they didn't give you life because they gave you 16 years,

00:54:43They gave life imprisonment to us, to me and my husband as long as he lived,

00:54:48because we walk because we have to walk,

00:54:52but we are breathing dead, that's all.

00:54:57It's a shocking sentence for us because they killed him for the second time.

00:55:02It is a serious mistake that Judge Bracco made,

00:55:05because he certainly shouldn't have made this assessment.

00:55:10If by law he must be given mitigating circumstances, he must also be given aggravating circumstances.

00:55:14The murder committed by Luca Delfino has certainly shaken consciences,

00:55:21In some ways, it was a bit of an incentive to develop new legislation.

00:55:29The government can use this emergency decree

00:55:34following the outcry that has been caused by some recent episodes that you all know about.

00:55:43Meanwhile, the bill introducing the crime of stalking is being examined by Parliament,

00:55:48for which, according to the helpline, the number of complaints has doubled in one year.

00:55:51It aims to penalize certain incidents of harassment or repeated threats

00:55:59before these can degenerate into even more serious conduct

00:56:03such as sexual assault or even murder.

00:56:07From a legal point of view, certainly, or likely,

00:56:11Today we will have all the tools to say

00:56:13Luca Delfino committed stalking.

00:56:16Certainly in the last 10-15 years in the editorial offices people have started to think

00:56:25on how femicides are reported.

00:56:27These are not crimes like others and words are important

00:56:32precisely because the cultural root behind the murder of a woman

00:56:37on the part of a man must lead us to use correct terms,

00:56:43little by little and with no little effort,

00:56:48the way of titling these articles and writing them has changed.

00:56:56You try, maybe you don't always succeed,

00:57:00to tell these murders without blaming the victim,

00:57:06as often happened in the past,

00:57:10implying that the relationship was still a love relationship.

00:57:17No, if it kills you it's not love.

00:57:20Implying that the woman could have the tools anyway

00:57:25to understand the risk he was about to run.

00:57:30No, it's not like that, it's not the woman who has to defend herself.

00:57:35and the man who must be educated not to commit murder.

00:57:41When one process ends, another begins,

00:57:43but in the meantime the disturbing figure of Delfino has emerged,

00:57:47with his family dramas, his past,

00:57:50his mental vice, but also sadism,

00:57:54the obsession with control,

00:57:55outbursts of anger and violence as the solution to everything.

00:57:58I return to a question that comes up again in many news stories.

00:58:02and in subsequent processes.

00:58:04What is the boundary between psychiatric problems and individual responsibility?

00:58:09when it comes to the most serious and unthinkable crimes?

00:58:13What we know is that the fine sentence

00:58:15and Delfino's incarceration do not close this story.

00:58:19There is another process in the works,

00:58:21the one for the death of Delfino's previous girlfriend,

00:58:25Luciana Biggi.

00:58:26Another controversial decision regarding Luca Delfino.

00:58:30The prosecutor Enrico Zucca has filed the request for indictment

00:58:33for the murder of Luciana Biggi,

00:58:35Delfino's ex-girlfriend,

00:58:37killed on the night of April 28, 2006

00:58:40in the historic center of Genoa.

00:58:42Delfino is already in prison,

00:58:44he is serving 16 years and 8 months

00:58:46for the murder of another ex,

00:58:48Antonella Multari,

00:58:49murdered in Sanremo in the middle of the street

00:58:51with 40 stab wounds on August 8, 2007.

00:58:54So we've arrived at 2010,

00:58:57the trial for the murder of Luciana Biggi is about to begin,

00:59:01but we have to take a step back,

00:59:03go back to the days following the murder of Antonella Multari,

00:59:07when, amidst the various controversies on the news and in newspapers,

00:59:12everything was pointing to one big question,

00:59:14on a big question.

00:59:15Could Luca Delfino have been stopped earlier?

00:59:18Thousands of people and several banners against the magistrates.

00:59:22Today he is at the funeral of Marie Antoinette,

00:59:24the young woman killed in the center of Sanremo

00:59:27by her ex-boyfriend with 40 stab wounds.

00:59:30The week before I was really isolated from the world,

00:59:36I was in a meditation class,

00:59:38so I couldn't communicate with the outside,

00:59:42I couldn't talk to anyone.

00:59:44When I had to go home,

00:59:46I turned on my cell phone for the first time,

00:59:48you see an impressive series of calls.

00:59:52I stopped at the service station,

00:59:54the Sarzano service station,

00:59:56and you see the newspapers on display.

01:00:01Those newspapers carried very explicit headlines.

01:00:05The judge is the murderer.

01:00:11The murder of Maria Antonia Multari

01:00:14it caused a huge emotion

01:00:16just when they listened to each other

01:00:18the weeks of persecution by Delfino,

01:00:23knowing that he was under investigation and suspicion

01:00:25of the murder of another ex.

01:00:27And this obviously led me astray in part.

01:00:30public opinion,

01:00:32now that Chito thought it was a predictable murder.

01:00:37We for the Bigi murder

01:00:38we would have stopped him right away.

01:00:40Obviously the investigations have taken

01:00:42a different path

01:00:44and so he doesn't wait for me anymore

01:00:47determine whether a person

01:00:49whether or not he should go to jail.

01:00:50In reality, there was a lack of evidence,

01:00:53there were no laws,

01:00:54but above all it was taboo

01:00:57for a long time another element

01:00:59more personal than that story.

01:01:01The magistrate who led the investigation

01:01:04on the Genoa crime,

01:01:06then the murder of Luciano Bigi,

01:01:07it was Enrico Zucca.

01:01:10Zucca is the same magistrate

01:01:11that in that period

01:01:12he was investigating the abuses

01:01:14carried out by the police

01:01:16at the Diaz school in Genoa

01:01:18during the G8 in July 2001,

01:01:21process that has closed

01:01:22with confirmed convictions

01:01:23in the third degree

01:01:25at the expense of other managers

01:01:26of the police

01:01:27and let's say that

01:01:29by the Genoa police

01:01:32in the declension

01:01:32of the mobile squad

01:01:33for sure

01:01:34there was no lack of attitude

01:01:38extremely antagonistic

01:01:40against the magistrate

01:01:41who was investigating

01:01:42essentially

01:01:43on their colleagues

01:01:44for the abuses of the G8.

01:01:47It has surpassed the soybean

01:01:49only when he saw us go out,

01:01:51but his lawyer was annoyed

01:01:52he went away,

01:01:53letting his client

01:01:55he could manage on his own.

01:01:56Dolphin looked at himself in the mirror

01:01:57to see if he was better

01:01:59with or without sunglasses

01:02:00and then it started

01:02:02to talk about Luciana.

01:02:03I met her

01:02:04the day of the Epiphany,

01:02:07January 6, 2006,

01:02:10at a party

01:02:13in a person's home.

01:02:15I started to get worried

01:02:16seriously

01:02:16when I had warnings,

01:02:19don't tell him,

01:02:20but let's be sure

01:02:21of physical clashes,

01:02:25of marks on my sister,

01:02:27of notices from

01:02:29of the neighbors.

01:02:30The first murder

01:02:32of which he was accused

01:02:33Luca Delfino

01:02:34although he was later acquitted

01:02:36it happened in that,

01:02:38San Bernardo Street.

01:02:39It was a drug dealing crossroads

01:02:41quite important.

01:02:43The inspection

01:02:44at the crime scene

01:02:45it's one of the moments

01:02:46more disastrous

01:02:47in the investigation

01:02:48on the murder of Luciana Bigi,

01:02:49in the sense that

01:02:51understandably

01:02:52the rescuers,

01:02:53then the first doctors,

01:02:54nurses who intervene

01:02:55and they try again

01:02:56to revive Luciana,

01:02:58obviously they can't care

01:03:00to preserve the scene,

01:03:01but this comes later

01:03:02polluted,

01:03:03trampled

01:03:04by policemen

01:03:05belonging to different sections,

01:03:08passing carabinieri,

01:03:10characters of all kinds

01:03:11essentially

01:03:12which make it unusable

01:03:16almost all of that

01:03:17which is found

01:03:20on that place

01:03:21and in fact

01:03:21nothing is found.

01:03:25The name of Luca Delfino has emerged,

01:03:28it was realized

01:03:29which he had spent

01:03:30the evening with her,

01:03:32what was left

01:03:33in the movies

01:03:33of the cameras

01:03:35he demonstrated

01:03:35who had been with her

01:03:36until shortly before

01:03:38of the murder

01:03:40and then then

01:03:40the investigation took

01:03:42a direction

01:03:44completely different.

01:03:49at a certain point

01:03:50the camera

01:03:52frame

01:03:53the Biggi

01:03:54that goes away

01:03:57from the square

01:03:58and immediately after

01:04:00is followed

01:04:01from Dolphin.

01:04:04In my opinion

01:04:05had done

01:04:05a fundamental premise

01:04:07on the murder

01:04:07by Luciana Biggi

01:04:09happened in 2006,

01:04:11if it happened today

01:04:11that murder

01:04:12it would be solved

01:04:13100%,

01:04:14in the sense that

01:04:15Today

01:04:16but that area

01:04:17I'm not doing

01:04:18an abstract reasoning

01:04:19it is monitored

01:04:20meter by meter

01:04:21essentially

01:04:22from cameras

01:04:23in service

01:04:2424/7

01:04:24whether they are public

01:04:26or whether they are

01:04:26of commercial establishments

01:04:28Therefore

01:04:28we would have had

01:04:29Now

01:04:30we would have the movie

01:04:31live

01:04:31of all that

01:04:32that happened.

01:04:3418 years ago

01:04:35it wasn't like that

01:04:36Therefore

01:04:36if it was Delfino

01:04:38he was very lucky

01:04:39whoever it was

01:04:40the killer

01:04:41by Luciana Biggi

01:04:42he was extremely lucky

01:04:45in the sense that a part

01:04:45of video surveillance systems

01:04:47they were out of order

01:04:48and remains substantially

01:04:50as a topical element

01:04:52of the investigative vacuum

01:04:54the image of him

01:04:56upstream from the crime scene

01:04:58a few minutes before

01:04:59and then downstream

01:05:00of the crime scene

01:05:01a few hours later

01:05:02there is nothing else

01:05:04from the point of view

01:05:05of the cameras.

01:05:06newspapers and television

01:05:07they tell

01:05:08of the heinous crime

01:05:09and the investigators

01:05:10they are looking for the man

01:05:10who was with Luciana

01:05:11but who was with her?

01:05:14To the Carabinieri

01:05:14an anonymous phone call arrives

01:05:16a boy

01:05:17he calls from a phone booth

01:05:18and says to orient

01:05:19the investigations towards Luca

01:05:20the boyfriend

01:05:21of the victim.

01:05:22The voice says

01:05:24of having seen them argue

01:05:25through the Genoese alleys

01:05:26already a few hours ago

01:05:27before the murder.

01:05:28Luca Delfino

01:05:3028-year-old former bartender

01:05:31is tracked down

01:05:32two days later

01:05:33Esca Business

01:05:34it's a little message

01:05:35on the cell phone

01:05:36that Bruna sends him

01:05:37the victim's twin

01:05:38and anyway

01:05:39apart from that

01:05:40if up to three minutes

01:05:41first they argue

01:05:42all evening

01:05:44and where she

01:05:45he rebels anyway

01:05:46and locks himself in the bathroom

01:05:48he pushes him away

01:05:49I can't imagine

01:05:50that he

01:05:50moreover

01:05:51a character

01:05:52like him

01:05:53may have given him

01:05:54a sect of hand

01:05:55and told her

01:05:56yes it's fine

01:05:57go ahead with your friends

01:05:58that we have been through

01:05:59an evening

01:05:59that we argued

01:06:00but let's go in peace

01:06:01Amen

01:06:02have fun too.

01:06:03would never have

01:06:05accepted this

01:06:05The evening is over

01:06:07we said goodbye

01:06:08and she wanted to leave

01:06:10he wanted to say hello

01:06:11as long as we were together

01:06:13we had a good time

01:06:14The lack of evidence

01:06:15who nails Luca Delfino

01:06:17in that alley

01:06:17at the same time

01:06:18in which Luciana Biggi

01:06:19she is killed

01:06:20will make the process

01:06:21entirely circumstantial

01:06:23Among the various clues

01:06:24there is definitely some

01:06:25a very suggestive one

01:06:26which is that

01:06:26which we have already mentioned

01:06:28or when

01:06:29just before killing

01:06:31Antonella Multari

01:06:32Luca Delfino

01:06:33he will send her a message

01:06:34telling her

01:06:35substantially threatening her

01:06:37remember what day it is today

01:06:38the day he was referring to

01:06:40it was April 27th

01:06:42of 2006

01:06:43when she is killed

01:06:44Luciana Biggi

01:06:45and so it's almost a mission

01:06:47even if he

01:06:48he never admitted

01:06:49of having killed

01:06:49my sister

01:06:50At Delfino's house

01:06:51where the police

01:06:52he introduced himself

01:06:53not exactly

01:06:54in the immediate future

01:06:55of the facts

01:06:56it was not found

01:06:57absolutely nothing

01:06:58him in the meantime

01:06:59had done

01:07:00wash clothes

01:07:01from the mother

01:07:02he was gone

01:07:03at the barber's

01:07:03that is, anyway

01:07:04had accomplished

01:07:05a series of actions

01:07:06which can legitimately

01:07:08to accomplish

01:07:08each of us

01:07:09but they can play

01:07:12at most suggestive

01:07:14downstream

01:07:14of an episode of this kind

01:07:15but of course

01:07:16they prevented

01:07:17to examine

01:07:18really his clothes

01:07:20his home

01:07:21the police were spying on him

01:07:22at home

01:07:23but he realized it

01:07:25practically immediately

01:07:26so these bugs too

01:07:27they had not been placed

01:07:28in an exceptional way

01:07:30evidently

01:07:31the investigation

01:07:32on the murder

01:07:33by Luciana Biggi

01:07:34it was weighted down

01:07:36from now on

01:07:37from a series

01:07:38of sbarioni

01:07:39quite important

01:07:41In short

01:07:41there were some behaviors

01:07:44really special

01:07:45That

01:07:46the accusation

01:07:47he interpreted

01:07:48Obviously

01:07:49in a certain way

01:07:50I

01:07:52I tried to interpret them

01:07:53in another way

01:07:54at least

01:07:54in a neutral way

01:07:56also considered

01:07:57there

01:07:58the complexity

01:07:59of personality

01:08:01of the dolphin

01:08:01that maybe

01:08:02he does things

01:08:04that another person

01:08:05more

01:08:05in quotation marks

01:08:06normal

01:08:07maybe he wouldn't do it

01:08:08but I

01:08:09at that moment

01:08:11that is with

01:08:11the elements

01:08:13that in any case

01:08:15there were

01:08:15I tried

01:08:17to represent

01:08:19a situation

01:08:20which in my opinion

01:08:21it was relevant

01:08:23Meaning what

01:08:24that of demonstrating

01:08:26a street

01:08:29indirect

01:08:30but somehow

01:08:32at the limit

01:08:33but somehow

01:08:34In my opinion

01:08:35was founded

01:08:36there is that

01:08:37to demonstrate

01:08:38the extraordinary

01:08:40similarity

01:08:41of the two cases

01:08:42this line

01:08:43it was not successful

01:08:44because then

01:08:45the Assize Court

01:08:46she surrendered

01:08:48in front of

01:08:48to the contradiction

01:08:50presumably

01:08:51of the elements

01:08:53trial

01:08:55acquitted

01:08:55because there is no evidence

01:08:56that it is him

01:08:57the killer

01:08:57by Luciana Bigi

01:08:58killed

01:08:59the night

01:08:59of April 28

01:09:002006

01:09:01according to the court

01:09:02of Assize

01:09:03from Genoa

01:09:03Luca Delfino

01:09:04ex-boyfriend

01:09:05of the woman

01:09:05already in prison

01:09:06for another

01:09:07homocide

01:09:07he didn't kill

01:09:08Luciana

01:09:09or at least

01:09:09there is no evidence

01:09:10of his guilt

01:09:11the sentence

01:09:12of acquittal

01:09:13in the first degree

01:09:14which was drawn up

01:09:15from the judge

01:09:16speaker

01:09:17Pilgrims

01:09:18President Ivaldi

01:09:19was

01:09:21in my opinion

01:09:21and it's a sentence

01:09:23of great

01:09:24legal value

01:09:25because even

01:09:26considering

01:09:27all the elements

01:09:28at Delfino's expense

01:09:30and there were some

01:09:31initial elements

01:09:33even heavy ones

01:09:34I realize

01:09:35but

01:09:35he came to say

01:09:37essentially

01:09:38This

01:09:38Yes

01:09:40could be

01:09:41it was him

01:09:42everything converges

01:09:44about him

01:09:45but there isn't

01:09:47the test

01:09:48absolute

01:09:49beyond all reason

01:09:50doubt

01:09:51which allows me

01:09:52to place

01:09:53Luca Delfino

01:09:54at the point

01:09:56of the murder

01:09:57in the hour

01:09:57of the murder

01:09:58in the instant

01:09:59of the murder

01:10:00the court of appeal

01:10:01confirmed

01:10:01the sentence

01:10:02of acquittal

01:10:03anything

01:10:04it can happen

01:10:05a confession

01:10:06an element

01:10:07the order

01:10:08he says it can't be done

01:10:09proceed further

01:10:12shaved hair

01:10:13hallucinated look

01:10:14a subtle smile

01:10:16of satisfaction

01:10:17Dolphin has appeared

01:10:18so in the classroom

01:10:19and reading

01:10:20of the sentence

01:10:20he remained impassive

01:10:22a Luca Delfino

01:10:23completely different

01:10:24from what

01:10:25until a few months ago

01:10:26he introduced himself

01:10:27in court

01:10:27shouting sentences

01:10:28nonsense

01:10:29the big question

01:10:30it has always been

01:10:31Dolphin

01:10:31it could have been

01:10:32stopped before

01:10:33of the murder

01:10:34by Maria Antonia

01:10:35Montari

01:10:36I on the basis

01:10:37of my experience

01:10:38I don't think so

01:10:38Why

01:10:39there are two elements

01:10:41of one

01:10:42we talked

01:10:43until now

01:10:43and it was

01:10:44the total absence

01:10:45of concrete evidence

01:10:47at Delfino's expense

01:10:48For

01:10:48on the murder

01:10:50by Luciana Birgi

01:10:51the second

01:10:52era

01:10:53the murder

01:10:55Of

01:10:55the second

01:10:56crime

01:10:56it happened

01:10:57in a period

01:10:57in which

01:10:58it didn't exist

01:10:58no law

01:10:59That

01:11:00pursued

01:11:01stalking

01:11:02when then

01:11:02there was the hearing

01:11:03he also heard

01:11:04the coroner

01:11:05you discover

01:11:05what a death

01:11:07horrible

01:11:07had done

01:11:07my sister

01:11:0833 minutes

01:11:10drowned

01:11:10in his blood

01:11:11Where

01:11:12it had been

01:11:13recess

01:11:13the carotid artery

01:11:14not the jugular

01:11:15and where

01:11:16she

01:11:16in an alley

01:11:18between

01:11:19the garbage

01:11:20and the scaffolding

01:11:22he had lost

01:11:22life

01:11:23Indeed

01:11:24I was insured

01:11:25to understand

01:11:25What

01:11:26he had seen

01:11:26the last moment

01:11:27this segment

01:11:28of heaven

01:11:29and I said

01:11:30he will have thought

01:11:30to me

01:11:30he will have thought

01:11:31to the stars

01:11:32but anyway

01:11:33she

01:11:33he couldn't

01:11:34not even anymore

01:11:34scream

01:11:35help

01:11:35Why

01:11:36era

01:11:37drowned

01:11:38in his blood

01:11:41in a process

01:11:42Enough

01:11:43the reasonable

01:11:44doubt

01:11:44to absolve

01:11:45someone

01:11:46and that's not enough

01:11:47a reasonable one

01:11:48suspected

01:11:49to condemn him

01:11:50Perhaps

01:11:50Dolphin

01:11:50was

01:11:51helped

01:11:51from luck

01:11:52the absence

01:11:53of cameras

01:11:54functioning

01:11:54right at that moment

01:11:55and on the spot

01:11:56of the crime

01:11:57or by chance

01:11:58the contaminations

01:12:00that are caused

01:12:01when you worry

01:12:02Obviously

01:12:03to save someone

01:12:04even before

01:12:04to collect

01:12:05the evidence

01:12:06from the human factor

01:12:08the inexperience

01:12:09with which it was not

01:12:09preserved

01:12:10the crime scene

01:12:11and certain tensions

01:12:14between the police

01:12:14from Genoa

01:12:15and the public prosecutor

01:12:16assigned to the case

01:12:17they didn't help

01:12:18to investigate

01:12:19with serenity

01:12:20the reasonable

01:12:22doubt

01:12:22in the process

01:12:23for death

01:12:24by Luciana Biggi

01:12:25it has not been passed

01:12:26for the court

01:12:28clues and evidence

01:12:29they were not enough

01:12:31to arrive

01:12:31to the sentence

01:12:32of Dolphin

01:12:33and even if

01:12:33should emerge

01:12:34over the years

01:12:35an irrefutable truth

01:12:36by law

01:12:37Luca Delfino

01:12:38it can't be

01:12:39tried again

01:12:40for the same case

01:12:41it's the principle

01:12:42of the nebissinidem

01:12:44not twice

01:12:45for the same thing

01:12:47the Biggi case

01:12:48so it remains

01:12:49a cold case

01:12:50an unsolved case

01:12:51what happened

01:12:53in those two

01:12:54tragic

01:12:55toxic

01:12:55relations

01:12:56will continue

01:12:57over the years

01:12:58to torment

01:12:59family members

01:13:00lawyers

01:13:01investigators

01:13:02and the story

01:13:03it's not over yet

01:13:04in 2023

01:13:05Luca Delfino

01:13:07as expected

01:13:07from the sentence

01:13:08he is released from prison

01:13:10and is led

01:13:11in a RENS

01:13:12residences

01:13:14for the execution

01:13:15of the measures

01:13:16of safety

01:13:16a health facility

01:13:19for people

01:13:19affected

01:13:20from pathologies

01:13:21psychiatric

01:13:22and to which they were

01:13:24applied

01:13:25security measures

01:13:26it started here

01:13:27his path

01:13:28of rehabilitation

01:13:29the weather

01:13:31and the events

01:13:31they will have changed it

01:13:33and how it has changed

01:13:34life

01:13:35of people

01:13:36involved

01:13:37in this story

01:13:56she is scared

01:13:57that he may come

01:13:57to look for her

01:13:59very much

01:13:59Yes

01:14:00he told me

01:14:01that there is some for me too

01:14:02there is some

01:14:03and if there is

01:14:05the possibility

01:14:06I can see it

01:14:07under the house

01:14:08Luca Delfino

01:14:09it's simply

01:14:09the drop

01:14:10that makes it overflow

01:14:11the vase

01:14:12in Liguria

01:14:12because it is clearly

01:14:13a character

01:14:13known

01:14:14but inside

01:14:15of the structure

01:14:15they are present

01:14:16as many people

01:14:18socially deemed

01:14:19dangerous

01:14:20which punctually

01:14:21we meet

01:14:21around

01:14:22for the gardens

01:14:23in the RENS

01:14:24we hosted

01:14:26and we host

01:14:26still

01:14:28patients

01:14:28that they have

01:14:29characteristics

01:14:30of history

01:14:31of biography

01:14:32but also

01:14:33characteristics

01:14:34psychopathological

01:14:35even enough

01:14:37superimposable

01:14:38the big problem

01:14:41was

01:14:42the media spotlight

01:14:43which accompanied

01:14:44the entrance

01:14:45of this patient

01:14:45in structure

01:14:47I'm Paolo Rossi

01:14:49the medical director

01:14:50of the RENS Villa Caterina

01:14:51of Genoa Pra

01:14:52and here we are today

01:14:53they have passed

01:14:5515 years

01:14:56from trial

01:14:57for the murder

01:14:58fines

01:14:58and almost 20

01:14:59since

01:15:01Luca Delfino

01:15:02he met

01:15:02Luciana Bici

01:15:03two people

01:15:04they were killed

01:15:06life

01:15:07of many people

01:15:08friends

01:15:09family members

01:15:10investigators

01:15:10lawyers

01:15:11it has changed

01:15:12forever

01:15:13Dolphin

01:15:13he served

01:15:14the prison sentence

01:15:15in 2023

01:15:16it started

01:15:17the path

01:15:18of rehabilitation

01:15:19in a healthcare facility

01:15:21dedicated to care

01:15:22of prisoners

01:15:22suffering from disorders

01:15:24mental

01:15:25and considered

01:15:25from justice

01:15:26socially dangerous

01:15:28he will be free again

01:15:30when the judges

01:15:31they will establish

01:15:32that his path

01:15:33of rehabilitation

01:15:34it's finished

01:15:35and when he will no longer come

01:15:36considered

01:15:37socially dangerous

01:15:39it's a question

01:15:40burning

01:15:40how important

01:15:41which concerns

01:15:42not only

01:15:42the case itself

01:15:43but the same

01:15:44concept of justice

01:15:45to the founding values

01:15:47of ours

01:15:47social order

01:15:48also sanctioned

01:15:49from Article 27

01:15:51of the Constitution

01:15:52according to which

01:15:53the penalties

01:15:54they must tend

01:15:54to re-education

01:15:56of the condemned

01:15:56to ensure

01:15:57safety

01:15:58of the community

01:15:59must also

01:15:59to accompany each other

01:16:00the attempt

01:16:01recovery

01:16:02and reintegration

01:16:04of whoever does it

01:16:04criminal acts

01:16:05it's a principle

01:16:06fundamental

01:16:07a goal

01:16:08which in some cases

01:16:10it seems difficult

01:16:11to reach

01:16:12within

01:16:13of these REMS

01:16:14there is a project

01:16:15therapeutic

01:16:17personalized

01:16:18then there are

01:16:19various activities

01:16:20group

01:16:21within

01:16:22or outside

01:16:23of the structure

01:16:24which can be

01:16:25therapeutic

01:16:26or recreational

01:16:27so let's go

01:16:29from

01:16:30the activities

01:16:32of music therapy

01:16:33rather than

01:16:33the group

01:16:34for discussion

01:16:35if we want to talk

01:16:36of activities

01:16:36therapeutic

01:16:37until arriving

01:16:38to activity

01:16:40outside

01:16:41purely

01:16:42rehabilitation

01:16:42and recreational

01:16:43like the group

01:16:44pool

01:16:44rather than

01:16:45the group

01:16:45soccer

01:16:46rather than

01:16:47the walk

01:16:48trekking

01:16:48in the surroundings

01:16:50of the structure

01:16:51etc.

01:16:52etc.

01:16:54I'm Monica

01:16:55Carnival

01:16:56and I am

01:16:57the director

01:16:57psychologist

01:16:58of the REMS

01:16:58Villa Caterina

01:16:59from Genoa

01:17:00Dolphin

01:17:01will be able to go out

01:17:02from this structure

01:17:03only

01:17:04When

01:17:05the court

01:17:06of surveillance

01:17:07he will consider it

01:17:08no more

01:17:09socially

01:17:09dangerous

01:17:10the company

01:17:11by Luca Delfino

01:17:12nothing is done

01:17:13I say this

01:17:14clear

01:17:14letters

01:17:15I am very

01:17:15worried

01:17:16from that stretch

01:17:17of simulation

01:17:19I was talking about

01:17:19Before

01:17:20and this

01:17:21what does it do to me

01:17:22think

01:17:23That

01:17:23Dolphin

01:17:25may it succeed

01:17:27even in the moment

01:17:28where it will be

01:17:29again

01:17:30revalued

01:17:31to

01:17:31to place

01:17:32on the field

01:17:33of attitudes

01:17:34deceivers

01:17:35simulators

01:17:36the first words

01:17:37of his life

01:17:38as a free man

01:17:39they were

01:17:39a promise

01:17:40I won't run away

01:17:41I heard it said

01:17:43that there is this risk

01:17:44of escape

01:17:44but imagine

01:17:45where am I going

01:17:46I'm not even anymore

01:17:47to cross the street

01:17:48we are the country

01:17:49from Beccaria

01:17:49we have to think

01:17:51to the penalty

01:17:51like a moment

01:17:52of social defense

01:17:53from people

01:17:54which are dangerous

01:17:55necessary

01:17:57and painful

01:17:58as social defense

01:17:59but inevitable

01:18:00and to re-education

01:18:02of these people

01:18:03not for everyone

01:18:03you can do it

01:18:04in rehabilitation

01:18:06but it should be done

01:18:07try it

01:18:07Always

01:18:08and for everyone

01:18:09because that one

01:18:10it's a road

01:18:12very important

01:18:13for the defense

01:18:14also for social defense

01:18:16and also why

01:18:17it is expected

01:18:18from our Constitution

01:18:20and it must be

01:18:21fulfilled

01:18:22this path

01:18:23I'm Anna Ivaldi

01:18:26I am

01:18:27magistrate

01:18:28retired

01:18:29in the last

01:18:30nine years

01:18:32of my work

01:18:32I was

01:18:33President

01:18:34of the Court

01:18:35of Assize

01:18:35from Genoa

01:18:37I don't know how

01:18:39will react

01:18:39Luca Delfino

01:18:40in a situation

01:18:42completely different

01:18:43from the prison one

01:18:45years gone by

01:18:46in isolation

01:18:47in the cell

01:18:47alone

01:18:48from Saturday instead

01:18:49Luca Delfino

01:18:50will live in close contact

01:18:51with 19 other people

01:18:53in the Rems

01:18:54Villa Caterina of Pra

01:18:55place of custody and care

01:18:57where the 46-year-old

01:18:58at least it will pass

01:18:58the next ones

01:18:59six and a half years

01:19:00if we take

01:19:01for good appraisals

01:19:02Dolphin

01:19:03he has a disease

01:19:04psychiatric

01:19:05he was judged

01:19:06semi-ill

01:19:07of mind

01:19:08and he has this disorder

01:19:09of personality

01:19:10narcissistic

01:19:11borderline

01:19:12etc.

01:19:13etc.

01:19:14which is definitely

01:19:15a pathology

01:19:17the fundamental problem

01:19:19And

01:19:19an affected person

01:19:20from this pathology

01:19:22can it heal?

01:19:26I am afraid

01:19:27for the first

01:19:27that meets

01:19:28when you get out of there

01:19:29I am afraid

01:19:29for the first

01:19:30that meets

01:19:31because he is a predator

01:19:32and certainly

01:19:35I don't know

01:19:36if

01:19:38I know that he

01:19:39he will never escape

01:19:40he will never escape

01:19:41it collides

01:19:43with his punishment

01:19:43but I hope

01:19:44that you find

01:19:45in the meantime

01:19:46something

01:19:46to keep it inside

01:19:47because if it goes out

01:19:48it does more damage

01:19:50but serious

01:19:50serious

01:19:51him

01:19:51I heard it

01:19:53even recently

01:19:54and has

01:19:55a firm

01:19:57conviction

01:19:58and will

01:19:59to go out

01:20:01he says

01:20:02I

01:20:02I'll go out

01:20:04from here

01:20:05I want

01:20:06come back to life

01:20:07I

01:20:08I invite him

01:20:11to calm down

01:20:11Always

01:20:12I tell him

01:20:12Luca

01:20:13you will get out of here

01:20:15when will it be

01:20:16withholding tax

01:20:17ceased

01:20:18your dangerousness

01:20:19Therefore

01:20:21when you

01:20:21you will be able to go out

01:20:22without doing

01:20:23of evil

01:20:23to others

01:20:24without the risk

01:20:26that you do

01:20:26harm to others

01:20:27otherwise

01:20:28you can't

01:20:30you will have to stay here

01:20:30much more

01:20:31it's obvious

01:20:32that if I

01:20:34I killed

01:20:36my partner

01:20:38with cumin

01:20:38of an argument

01:20:39because cultured

01:20:40from anger

01:20:42in theory

01:20:43once

01:20:44that I learn

01:20:45to manage

01:20:46anger

01:20:47in a manner

01:20:47more socially

01:20:49appropriate

01:20:49I find others

01:20:50forms of

01:20:51channeling

01:20:52I learn to

01:20:52to mentalize

01:20:53Better

01:20:53In short

01:20:54all things

01:20:54that psychology

01:20:55tells us

01:20:56one tomorrow

01:20:57when faced with an argument

01:20:58I shouldn't

01:21:00have

01:21:00the outcome

01:21:01which brought me

01:21:02to kill

01:21:03my previous one

01:21:04companion

01:21:04but if I

01:21:05Instead

01:21:05I killed her

01:21:06and I liked it

01:21:09you understand

01:21:10there is a problem

01:21:11different

01:21:12and this

01:21:12this is one

01:21:13discriminating

01:21:14which in my opinion

01:21:15it makes sense

01:21:16for the purposes

01:21:17of the evaluation

01:21:18of the danger

01:21:19that of Luca Delfino

01:21:20I think it's a coincidence

01:21:21exceptional

01:21:22because he

01:21:23it is perceived

01:21:24for its history

01:21:25human and judicial

01:21:27like a murderer

01:21:28rather than criminal

01:21:29serial

01:21:30and irreversible

01:21:32after which

01:21:32he was sentenced

01:21:33for a single crime

01:21:34just the huge one

01:21:36visibility

01:21:37that they had

01:21:37the events

01:21:38connected to him

01:21:39for this clash

01:21:41for the pathemization

01:21:44very strong

01:21:45what happened

01:21:45after the murder

01:21:46by Maria Antonia

01:21:47Multari

01:21:47they definitely have it

01:21:49transformed

01:21:50in a symbol

01:21:51of bullying

01:21:53extreme

01:21:55on women

01:21:57let's say that

01:21:58in Genoa

01:21:59in Liguria

01:21:59it's a synonym

01:22:01of all this

01:22:02Certain

01:22:02the idea

01:22:03in all

01:22:04sooner or later

01:22:06may he return

01:22:07completely free

01:22:11terrifies

01:22:12for that

01:22:12that by now

01:22:12has become

01:22:13his character

01:22:14as far as

01:22:14don't have it

01:22:16trace

01:22:17his behaviors

01:22:18violent

01:22:20for a long time

01:22:22you did it

01:22:22you didn't do it

01:22:23you are guilty

01:22:24you are innocent

01:22:25I have my ideas

01:22:27clearly

01:22:28I made them for myself

01:22:29in relation

01:22:29in both cases

01:22:31most important

01:22:32that

01:22:33from Sanremo

01:22:34and that of Genoa

01:22:35I never asked him

01:22:36I have my idea

01:22:37I'll keep it

01:22:38clearly

01:22:39I can't reveal it

01:22:40to no one

01:22:41but

01:22:42the sentence

01:22:43the sentences

01:22:45they said

01:22:46what a Dolphin

01:22:46he is not guilty

01:22:48of that crime

01:22:49of that crime

01:22:50Dolphin will not have

01:22:51easy life

01:22:52with us

01:22:52I say this

01:22:53I want to say it

01:22:53openly

01:22:54and in a way

01:22:55strong

01:22:56and so I hope

01:22:57what a Rosa

01:22:58find some peace

01:22:59in memory

01:23:00of his splendid

01:23:01Antonella

01:23:02a journalist

01:23:05he went to do

01:23:07an interview

01:23:09and what he told us

01:23:10that he

01:23:10he wants to come

01:23:11to ask me for forgiveness

01:23:13when it comes out

01:23:14who wants to come

01:23:15to ask me for forgiveness

01:23:17to apologize to me

01:23:18that he didn't realize

01:23:20right away

01:23:20of that

01:23:21what he did

01:23:21who realized

01:23:22After

01:23:23but

01:23:24I do not

01:23:26I do not

01:23:27if there is a God

01:23:30what's there

01:23:31that I am a believer

01:23:33if he can

01:23:34to forgive him

01:23:35to him

01:23:35I do not

01:23:39you know how many times

01:23:40I feel

01:23:41at fault

01:23:43because I think

01:23:44those moments

01:23:45that hit her

01:23:46that she maybe

01:23:47he was there

01:23:47on the ground

01:23:48that maybe

01:23:49she called me

01:23:50I wasn't there

01:23:51and I feel guilty

01:23:53also because

01:23:54maybe we don't have

01:23:55done enough

01:23:57I feel guilty

01:23:58why didn't I kill him

01:23:59that evening

01:24:00who threw himself

01:24:01on the car

01:24:02and then maybe

01:24:04they would have given me

01:24:04it does not matter

01:24:05they condemned me to me

01:24:07but

01:24:09I feel guilty

01:24:11Yes

01:24:11I feel guilty

01:24:14I would have liked

01:24:15do more

01:24:15I would have liked

01:24:17be able to stop it

01:24:19this person here

01:24:20but I talk to him

01:24:22always with my sister

01:24:23I dream about it

01:24:24I'm talking to him

01:24:25I'm talking to him

01:24:28continuously

01:24:28because she

01:24:29it's me

01:24:30she is near me

01:24:33meeting people

01:24:34that always

01:24:34they remember her

01:24:35for the beautiful

01:24:36person who was

01:24:37we always talk about it

01:24:38joyfully

01:24:39cheerfully

01:24:40and never

01:24:41in sadness

01:24:43in the gloom

01:24:46what will you tell her?

01:24:48don't go

01:24:49at that appointment

01:24:50it's a case

01:24:52That

01:24:56it remained

01:24:59Very

01:25:01imprinted

01:25:01not only

01:25:02in my business

01:25:03professional

01:25:03but also

01:25:04in my life

01:25:04and every time

01:25:05that I see

01:25:06Rose

01:25:07I see in his eyes

01:25:08a suffering

01:25:09unspeakable

01:25:10And

01:25:11a question

01:25:13is why

01:25:14Why

01:25:15it happened

01:25:17the double case

01:25:18which involves

01:25:19Luca Delfini

01:25:20it is still unfortunately

01:25:21sadly current

01:25:22the name of Dolphin

01:25:23still arouses

01:25:24restlessness

01:25:25and concern

01:25:26his recent

01:25:27release from prison

01:25:28caused

01:25:29controversies

01:25:30protests

01:25:31and fear

01:25:32even today

01:25:33doubts resonate

01:25:34on management

01:25:36of the two cases

01:25:37on the investigations

01:25:38and even

01:25:39on the processes

01:25:40if the law

01:25:41and the current measures

01:25:43had been

01:25:44in force

01:25:44At that time

01:25:45things

01:25:46they would have gone

01:25:47in a different way

01:25:48one thing is certain

01:25:50current events

01:25:51of a story

01:25:52like this one

01:25:52a story

01:25:54synonym of

01:25:54stalking

01:25:55and femicide

01:25:57that at the time

01:25:58provoked

01:25:59strong emotion

01:26:00and that

01:26:01even today

01:26:02it makes you think

01:26:02bitterly

01:26:03after almost

01:26:04twenty years

01:26:05from femicide

01:26:06by Antonella Muteri

01:26:07how many other stories

01:26:09like this one

01:26:10we saw

01:26:10and how many others

01:26:12we'll see

01:26:23me every time

01:26:24I'm getting in the car

01:26:25that I have the car

01:26:27still from my daughter

01:26:28the Seicinto

01:26:29on Wednesday

01:26:30we took it

01:26:31for us

01:26:31we were going to get it done

01:26:32massage

01:26:33and she put me

01:26:35the hand on the leg

01:26:36I was driving

01:26:36she put me

01:26:37the hand on the leg

01:26:38she's my old lady

01:26:39she believes in it

01:26:40that I still do now

01:26:42after 17 years

01:26:43I get in the car

01:26:45and I feel

01:26:46I feel like

01:26:47own

01:26:47in contact

01:26:49with my daughter

01:26:59thank you all

01:27:15Thank you all.

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