Il Delitto delle Bambine di Marsala
Il 22 ottobre del 1971 tre bambine spariscono a Marsala. Si tratta di Antonella Valenti, undici anni, Virginia e Ninfa Marchese, nove e sette anni. Con la denuncia della loro scomparsa si apre uno dei casi di cronaca nera più inquietanti della storia del dopoguerra, conosciuto anche come "il caso del mostro di Marsala". Il giudice Cesare Terranova emette il mandato d'arresto per Michele Vinci, zio di Antonella, che durante l'interrogatorio confessa di aver rapito le bambine per stuprare una di loro e di aver gettato Ninfa e Virginia in una cava all'interno di un terreno di proprietà di Giuseppe Guarrato, dove effettivamente verranno ritrovate il 9 novembre. Durante il processo, tuttavia, emergono parecchi dubbi sulle dichiarazioni fatte da Vinci, e si profila la possibilità che abbia avuto uno o più complici. Nel 1978 Michele Vinci viene riconosciuto unico colpevole del triplice omicidio e condannato a 29 anni di reclusione. Nel 1988, dal carcere dove è recluso, Vinci accetta di farsi intervistare da "Telefono giallo", confermando la versione contenuta nel suo diario scritto in carcere: Antonella sarebbe stata rapita e uccisa perché suo padre, Leonardo Valenti, aveva fatto uno sgarro a Cosa nostra. Michele Vinci, scontata la sua pena, è ora di nuovo libero, ma se la verità processuale dice che è lui il "mostro di Marsala", a 45 anni di distanza è sulla verità storica che rimangono invece aperti molti interrogativi.
1989.12.22 - Telefono giallo 1988 - Tragico appuntamento per due bambine - Prima Parte
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Il 22 ottobre del 1971 tre bambine spariscono a Marsala. Si tratta di Antonella Valenti, undici anni, Virginia e Ninfa Marchese, nove e sette anni. Con la denuncia della loro scomparsa si apre uno dei casi di cronaca nera più inquietanti della storia del dopoguerra, conosciuto anche come "il caso del mostro di Marsala". Il giudice Cesare Terranova emette il mandato d'arresto per Michele Vinci, zio di Antonella, che durante l'interrogatorio confessa di aver rapito le bambine per stuprare una di loro e di aver gettato Ninfa e Virginia in una cava all'interno di un terreno di proprietà di Giuseppe Guarrato, dove effettivamente verranno ritrovate il 9 novembre. Durante il processo, tuttavia, emergono parecchi dubbi sulle dichiarazioni fatte da Vinci, e si profila la possibilità che abbia avuto uno o più complici. Nel 1978 Michele Vinci viene riconosciuto unico colpevole del triplice omicidio e condannato a 29 anni di reclusione. Nel 1988, dal carcere dove è recluso, Vinci accetta di farsi intervistare da "Telefono giallo", confermando la versione contenuta nel suo diario scritto in carcere: Antonella sarebbe stata rapita e uccisa perché suo padre, Leonardo Valenti, aveva fatto uno sgarro a Cosa nostra. Michele Vinci, scontata la sua pena, è ora di nuovo libero, ma se la verità processuale dice che è lui il "mostro di Marsala", a 45 anni di distanza è sulla verità storica che rimangono invece aperti molti interrogativi.
1989.12.22 - Telefono giallo 1988 - Tragico appuntamento per due bambine - Prima Parte
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00:01:30This is the first time Telefono Giallo has dealt with a crime that occurred this evening in Sicily.
00:01:58and for the first time collaborators of this newspaper, of this program
00:02:03they have been seriously, repeatedly urged to let it go
00:02:08not to deal with this case, not to look for trouble
00:02:11It's sad to have to say this, it's even disheartening, but it must be said.
00:02:17Naturally, we have informed the relevant authorities of the matter.
00:02:20and we make it public because honest Sicilians, who are not few,
00:02:25let them also draw from this small and insignificant episode
00:02:29that strength, that dignity to reject, to push away
00:02:33that criminal mentality that is devastating their island
00:02:38The case we are dealing with occurred on October 22, 1971.
00:02:42a long time ago
00:02:44and yet in these 17 years that have passed since then
00:02:48a process connected to the main one which we will deal with at length
00:02:52during this program is still open
00:02:55The verdict is expected within a few months.
00:02:58and it's a sentence that could call everything into question
00:03:02So, despite the 17 years that have passed
00:03:05there is still a chance that the dice will start rolling again in the compass
00:03:10in the face of the shame of threats
00:03:14there is the shame of times of justice
00:03:18who grant themselves inhumane delays
00:03:24October 21, 1971
00:03:27three little girls disappear in Marsala
00:03:30their name is Antonella Valenti
00:03:34you see it here in this photo
00:03:36who was 11 years old at the time
00:03:38their name is Virginia
00:03:40it is the following
00:03:42Virginia
00:03:42he is 9 years old
00:03:44Virginia Marchese
00:03:45and his sister Nymph
00:03:47the last one
00:03:48Nymph Marquis
00:03:497 years
00:03:49one goes to kindergarten
00:03:51one goes to elementary school
00:03:53Antonella Valenti
00:03:54she is an only child
00:03:56Virginia and Nymphs
00:03:58they are two little sisters
00:03:59they leave school
00:04:01and they disappear
00:04:02all afternoon
00:04:03the relatives
00:04:04and friends
00:04:05they look for them
00:04:06in the evening the grandfather
00:04:08Antonella's grandfather
00:04:09he goes to the police
00:04:10to report the disappearance
00:04:12it opens with that complaint
00:04:14one of the cases
00:04:15of crime news
00:04:16more disturbing
00:04:17more tragic
00:04:18more touching
00:04:19of Italian history
00:04:20post-war
00:04:22I want to remind you
00:04:24before moving on
00:04:24that this is a program
00:04:25live
00:04:26which is transmitted
00:04:26from the RAI3 studios
00:04:28in Rome
00:04:28and that is a program
00:04:30connected with you
00:04:31that you listen to us
00:04:32with a telephone number
00:04:33what you see right now
00:04:34appear
00:04:35the 8262
00:04:36with the prefix 06
00:04:37that anyone who wants
00:04:39for legitimate reasons
00:04:41for suggestions
00:04:42for hypothesis
00:04:43for supplement
00:04:45of information
00:04:46use
00:04:47can do it freely
00:04:49and we come back
00:04:51to those investigations
00:04:53to that October 21st
00:04:55of 1971
00:04:55to see
00:04:57in this first video
00:04:58that we propose to you
00:04:59the review
00:05:00tonight's repertoire
00:05:01it's a rather extensive repertoire
00:05:02rich and complex
00:05:03what happened
00:05:05when the uncle
00:05:07by Antonella
00:05:08he went to get
00:05:09Antonella and her
00:05:10two little friends
00:05:11when leaving school
00:05:12and what happened
00:05:14in the moments that follow
00:05:15Please
00:05:42when leaving school
00:06:04Thank you all.
00:06:29Thank you all.
00:06:46The investigations, after the official inquiry is opened, branch out, as is usually said in these cases, when
00:06:53It's not clear where to start, in any direction.
00:06:56Coordinating these investigations was Judge Cesare Terranova, who later became a Senator of the Republic.
00:07:03It was then, in 1971, that he took up his first managerial post. As an investigating judge in Palermo, he had been the grand inquisitor of the mafia.
00:07:11Luciano Lingio.
00:07:12By a strange circumstance, by a chain of destinies, in this investigation on the girls of Marsala, the
00:07:21names of well-known and later tragically famous people.
00:07:25Among these were the then Colonel Carlo Alberto Dallachiesa, Judge Ciaccia Montalto, the Commissioner of the State Police and the
00:07:34Public Safety Lenin Mancuso.
00:07:36All victims of the mafia, then later.
00:07:40Names towards whom, people towards whom I believe the least one can do is feel a deep, motivated
00:07:48gratitude.
00:07:49There is also the shadow of the mafia on the case of the girls of Marsala, this case too is looming over it,
00:07:56'shadow of a possibly mafia relationship.
00:07:59It is the question that has remained unanswered since then, it is the question that in absolute good faith and
00:08:06using only the facts known to date,
00:08:10as well as the testimonies of the authoritative figures that you will gradually see appear in this program,
00:08:15the question which, I was saying, we will try to answer at least this evening.
00:08:20Let's get back to the investigation. The judge opens it and interviews many witnesses.
00:08:25One of the first witnesses he hears is a curious, important character.
00:08:30A German, his name is Hans Hoffman, married to a Sicilian, settled in Marsala,
00:08:36he then runs a petrol station and gives a curious testimony.
00:08:41He saw something, he saw a car. Let's hear it from the following video.
00:08:55But you heard, since there was traffic, right? I heard, I didn't hear anything.
00:09:01He just saw those kids banging on the glass, right?
00:09:05I thought they wanted to get out of there.
00:09:21Thank you all.
00:09:53Thank you all.
00:10:03I was there, I saw a Fiat 500 passing towards Mazzara with some children inside who were playing around, right?
00:10:10It gave me the impression that they wanted to get out, they were banging on the glass with their fists.
00:10:22I remember, because I learned from the newspapers, that the discovery of Antonella was perhaps delayed by a day,
00:10:29because it was falling on the opposite side, it was falling on the Mazzara land.
00:10:42As I saw it, as you indicated, right?
00:10:48Hans Hoffman is the first to talk about a 500, but he is not the only one.
00:10:53He's the first one who talks about that 500 against the windows of which some children were banging their fists as if
00:10:59they wanted to go out.
00:11:00After a few days a certain Giuseppe Limandri spontaneously presents himself to Judge Terranova,
00:11:06which dismantles the testimony of the German Hoffman.
00:11:10He dismantles it by saying that, I read verbatim,
00:11:14«That 500 was mine, I was going to the hospital to visit a relative with my son on board who was crying
00:11:21and he was throwing tantrums."
00:11:23So, no child banging on the car windows to be freed,
00:11:27but a capricious child who flails around wildly inside a 500,
00:11:32while his father goes to visit someone in the hospital.
00:11:36The judge summons Hoffman again to hear from him whether or not the facts are confirmed,
00:11:42but Hoffman appears to have hastily left for Germany for vague, unspecified family reasons.
00:11:50Then the judge summons Limandri's wife, who gives another version, contradicts her husband,
00:11:55she says she had never heard of that hospital visit.
00:11:59Someone is lying, Limandri is probably lying.
00:12:03Why does he do it? Is he doing it because he has no right to withdraw? Is he doing it because he wants to cover for someone?
00:12:07It's a question Judge Terranova will never know the answer to.
00:12:13Because something happens shortly thereafter that I will tell you about in a moment,
00:12:17However, I must remind you that finding Hoffman today in Sicily, 17 years later, was not easy.
00:12:24The Yellow Telephone crew succeeded, until today no one had heard of him again.
00:12:30And throughout the program you will hear from his mouth, starting right now,
00:12:35additional information on the events that occurred at the time.
00:12:40Here, let's start, I was saying, with this film in which Hoffman specifies what he said at the time
00:12:48and which ends with a strange incident that happened to the bricklayer Limandri. Let's see it.
00:13:15Thank you all.
00:13:37My wife's all scared, isn't she? She said, 'You shouldn't have spoken here, you can't see anything.'
00:13:45Here all the relatives, even my wife's, said that we don't talk here.
00:13:59My wife is all scared, we don't talk.
00:14:50My wife is all scared, we don't talk.
00:14:51Hoffman left, Limandri died under mysterious circumstances, the girls remain untraced.
00:14:57The indignation in Sicily, not only in Sicily, but throughout Italy, is rising to the point that some right-wing MPs
00:15:02they even ask for the reintroduction of the death penalty in case the Marsala monster, as it is already called, is
00:15:08discovery.
00:15:09Meanwhile, in Marsala, Judge Terranova continues his investigations and, among others, questions Michele Vinci.
00:15:16It's a name we'll be repeating often throughout this program.
00:15:19Michele Vinci is Antonella Valenti's uncle.
00:15:23He was then working as a delivery boy for a small company in Marsala, owned by a certain Mr. Nania, who we will also talk about.
00:15:30long,
00:15:31which is called Cartotecnica San Giovanni.
00:15:34Antonella Valenti's parents had emigrated to Germany and Antonella, the 11-year-old girl, one of three children
00:15:41kidnapped,
00:15:42He lived with his grandparents but also saw his uncle Michele Vinci very often.
00:15:47It turns out, by questioning Vinci, that Vinci also owns a 500, which for the afternoon of October 21st was his alibi
00:15:55it is consistent,
00:15:56although some say that his attitude aroused suspicion.
00:16:01In short, five days after the girls disappeared there is no trace of the creatures, of the three schoolgirls kidnapped at
00:16:11'school outing.
00:16:12The research is directed towards an area, the outskirts of Marsala, a sandstone area rich in quarries, rich in
00:16:20wells, both drilling and excavation,
00:16:22even very profound ones. The archive film we're now offering you shows a phase of that research.
00:16:29Please note one detail. In one of the shots you will recognize the figure, the familiar face of Carlo Alberto from
00:16:37Church, then colonel.
00:17:04Thank you all.
00:17:38On the morning of October 26th, in this story so full of twists and turns, as you will hear and see, there is
00:17:45the first twist.
00:17:46A plumber, Vito, passes the water, having secluded himself for a moment in a building, in an abandoned school, accidentally discovers the corpse
00:17:56by Antonella Valenti.
00:17:58The body is there, wrapped in duct tape. In the video we now see, we've reconstructed that circumstance.
00:18:07Arriving there, in the Ragalia school, which is a school that was built twenty years ago and never finished,
00:18:18needing to do a pee, I had to pee,
00:18:23So I told my friend, stop when I do something.
00:18:27And so I got out of the car, he stopped, I went towards this abandoned school,
00:18:34as soon as I go to go in, to pee, when I enter right in the corner where I was about to go in,
00:18:47I notice that there was a shot from a little girl.
00:18:50And immediately, by association with her, I thought that it was the blow to one of the three little girls.
00:18:56who had disappeared in Marsano.
00:18:58And so that friend tells me, let's get over it, if we're a bit, as they say, in trouble.
00:19:05No, you're doing it, it's nothing, don't worry, now let's go and file the report, everything's fine.
00:19:09So many things have been said that are partly true and partly not true,
00:19:14but that's actually what I'm saying.
00:19:16I found Antonella's shot not because I was looking for it,
00:19:20but by chance that happened to me.
00:19:22It was unfortunately a bad experience finding Antonella's shot,
00:19:27because those 13 days that have passed, from the day I discovered Antonella's coup
00:19:32the day the culprit, the so-called Vinci, was discovered,
00:19:37These were the longest 13 days of my life.
00:19:42Naturally the twist triggers emotion, indignation
00:19:47which were already brewing during the research because the worst was already feared.
00:19:51And this indignation reaches its peak when, during a first forensic medical examination
00:19:56performed by Dr. Bellafiore, it turns out, is included in the report,
00:20:01that Antonella, 11 years old, suffered sexual violence
00:20:05which Dr. Bellafiore defines as literally disruptive.
00:20:09After this tragic report, the judge, with the help of Dr. Bellafiore himself,
00:20:15summons all the suspects, who are subjected to a personal examination
00:20:20to see if there were traces of sexual violence on their bodies
00:20:24performed of a disruptive nature that could not have left traces
00:20:29on them too.
00:20:30But, be careful, to cool down and suddenly turn the situation around,
00:20:36the next day another forensic medical report arrives,
00:20:40performed this time by Dr. Del Carpio, who in the morgue performs
00:20:43the complete autopsy of the child's body and discovers that there was no
00:20:48no violence, neither disruptive nor otherwise.
00:20:52There was no violence, Antonella is intact.
00:20:56In the studio with us is Professor Carlo Baroni, who some spectators
00:20:59You already know the phone number. Good evening, Professor.
00:21:01Good evening.
00:21:02We asked her to come, we thank her, because we wanted to know,
00:21:06we are once again faced with two medical-legal reports
00:21:10conflicting on a circumstance that perhaps should not cause
00:21:16so much shock, or yes?
00:21:17But, before going into the merits, I would like to connect to those
00:21:21four words that she said in the broadcast entry about
00:21:25the warnings that have arrived and I would also like to remember most of them
00:21:32of the Sicilians who undoubtedly do not make these warnings
00:21:36and it is in those Sicilians that we must, on those Sicilians that we must
00:21:40we must rely on and believe in those Sicilians.
00:21:42So I fully agree with his passionate art.
00:21:46I think I can.
00:21:46I thank you for doing so, on behalf of the man in the street.
00:21:50Thank you, on behalf of those Sicilians.
00:21:53Let's now get to the heart of the question you asked me.
00:21:55First of all, I would like to distinguish, I have the impression from what you said
00:22:01that once the body of the first child, Antonella, was found, if I'm not mistaken
00:22:07no expert assessment was carried out but a death certificate was issued
00:22:12and a visit was made, which I believe was cursory, to a corpse.
00:22:18I think so.
00:22:19I think so.
00:22:21And undoubtedly one must underline the lightness of the colleague who spoke of
00:22:29rape, moreover, on a prepubescent girl and rape on a prepubescent girl is a
00:22:35something that leaves, it's an event that leaves traces, especially when it's violence
00:22:40complete carnal, leaves traces that can lead to lacerations of the vagina,
00:22:47of the rectum, of the bladder, therefore truly lacerating and serious events.
00:22:52I undoubtedly believe in the medical-legal report carried out during the autopsy where, with calm
00:22:58and with the necessary concealment it was possible to ascertain that the child had absolutely not suffered
00:23:06rape and I insist, in prepubescent girls the evaluation of rape is a
00:23:12a fact that requires an extremely delicate investigation because if there is no violence
00:23:21complete carnal is absolutely, it is very difficult to be able to document it, especially
00:23:26at 5-6, I don't remember how many days from death, as in this case, because there is also
00:23:33keep this in mind.
00:23:34Of course, I was asking you a question and I would like to expand on it now, that is, in general you doctors
00:23:42legal, I'm not a medical examiner, I'm a pathologist, of course, but anyway I know
00:23:46well, but in practice then...
00:23:49Sometimes we also assist the medical examiner...
00:23:52The activity is bordering, in practice the coroner or the pathologist, when
00:23:57this is a case of rape, as it is called, as the code also defines it,
00:24:02are you having difficulty ascertaining it, establishing it or not?
00:24:05If the rape occurred within a short time frame compared to... we need to distinguish whether it is...
00:24:13of the living or of the dead.
00:24:15If it is a living person we have all the anamnestic data, that is the interrogation.
00:24:20of the alleged raped, the interrogation, if possible, of the alleged rapist, the
00:24:27search for traces. And it is difficult in this case too, because if a woman who does not
00:24:32is more virginal, for example, you can not objectively evaluate the breaking of the hymen
00:24:38and in this case it is very difficult, unless such lacerations have been caused
00:24:43from extreme violence in the sexual act that have left marks. So it is a fact
00:24:48extremely delicate.
00:24:49Corpse?
00:24:50On the corpse I would say that it is even more difficult in pubescent women and in women who have
00:24:59already had sexual intercourse.
00:25:01We should ask the person who made the report many years ago, because in her opinion he defined
00:25:07disruptive, is a textual word that appears...
00:25:09I actually wondered when she said that. Maybe she was guided in this by...
00:25:20surrounding area, the location, the local characteristics, and tradition. What do we know?
00:25:27Perhaps it was a slight one. Especially since the coroner colleague did not mention it during the autopsy.
00:25:33he absolutely found...
00:25:34Professor Bononi, one last question. The doctor called to certify death
00:25:39tragic, in circumstances like these, in an abandoned house, corpse wrapped in tape
00:25:44insulator, as we will see right now, what should he do? He should also make a diagnosis, that is
00:25:50establish, or is it better to keep it up...
00:25:53It is best to certify the death, after which he makes an objective examination of the body without touching it.
00:26:00and then refers it to the judicial authority who will order the autopsy which will be done...
00:26:05and to the judicial cleansing bodies who will collect the surrounding signs around the body.
00:26:12Thank you, Professor Bononi.
00:26:15Another and more disturbing clue is the one linked to the insulating tape that we mentioned
00:26:22already during the interview with Professor Bononi. It is a very insulating tape
00:26:26trivial, the insulating tape is like this, of this type, the one normally used on the market
00:26:31for various types of packaging, but there is one circumstance. The Lombard company that produces it, we are in '71,
00:26:38Today this type of objects and articles are more widespread, the Lombard company that
00:26:43produces that insulating tape, request for information, says that it supplies that tape
00:26:49in that area there is only one company, in Marsala, and it is the San Giovanni paper mill where, as
00:26:55we saw, Michele Vinci was working. On that particular and important tape, not
00:27:02footprints appear, a sign that the murderer who wrapped the body with that tape
00:27:06Antonella and he operated carefully, even covering her mouth with gloves.
00:27:14Second clue, an anonymous letter reaches the Carabinieri in which Vinci is accused of
00:27:21having committed the crime. Judge Terranova immediately questions Vinci, who does not deny it,
00:27:28He doesn't deny in the least having committed the crime, rather he says that it was him, that it was him and that
00:27:33He acted alone, he admits everything. So we arrive at November 9th, 19 days after the disappearance.
00:27:46of the three girls, the case of the schoolgirls of Marsala seems suddenly and definitively
00:27:53solved. We see in the video that is now being broadcast the moment of the arrest of the one who,
00:28:00as I have already mentioned, it was immediately named Marsala must.
00:28:24Thank you all.
00:29:12I had the task of interrogating Michele Vinci,
00:29:16Win in the barracks, at the San Carlo barracks, as per a work plan drawn up in the evening
00:29:21previous to the Public Prosecutor's Office under the direction of the Public Prosecutor
00:29:25Cesare Terranova. And so in the morning around 8 I was facing the service to go
00:29:33to pick up Michele Vinci at home, or at home or at the San Giovanni factory, depending on whether
00:29:38had the day off or working hours available from San Giovanni.
00:29:43However, even before leaving the barracks, he learned that the Public Prosecutor's Office
00:29:48an anonymous letter had arrived, following which the prosecutor had already given orders
00:29:55to the soldiers of the PG team to go and pick up Michele Vinci at his home that same morning.
00:30:01So I had no choice but to go to the prosecutor's office to ascertain that in fact
00:30:06let that be the story and see what I actually had to do during the day.
00:30:12Michele Vinci therefore, as I said, takes on all the responsibilities alone.
00:30:18Excuse me. Hello? Hello?
00:30:22Yes, hello, hello. I'm Dr. Bellafiore and you mentioned and spoke a moment ago.
00:30:31together with that other attorney and I came to the diagnosis made, I can bite myself.
00:30:38Thank you for calling.
00:30:39Look, I have to tell the colleague who introduced himself and spoke a little,
00:30:44he spoke a bit superficially.
00:30:47Wait, Professor Bellafiore, if you wait just a moment, I ask Professor Baroni
00:30:53to join me here next door for a moment again.
00:30:57In the meantime, you can continue what you say.
00:30:59Well, look, it was a bit superficial because in fact the lessons
00:31:04of enough, already post mortem, you have already thought that there was a complication due
00:31:09to unfortunately active facts, in addition to the lessons relating to the violence that the little girl suffered
00:31:15alone, the limpa, the largest.
00:31:17Antonella.
00:31:18Yes, there was in the processes unfortunately active because they had made the barlo of the Virgin
00:31:23and the innocent one, at that.
00:31:25I deny it. True, no.
00:31:26So when he reaches it he has the vision of that body like that, placed in a corner of a house
00:31:32relocated.
00:31:33To reach, in those conditions, even with the unfortunately active events, the thing
00:31:39it was really devastating as I said, because a nine year old girl, with that
00:31:45which he had suffered and with the processes unfortunately active, it was truly something that had to be dispelled,
00:31:51to be foreseen, even for those people who had come there, in short because we were turning around,
00:31:56we searched everywhere, after several days and nights of agony, let's say, experienced
00:32:05for that innocent little girl, who we all loved already as daughter Marzana, of
00:32:11those other two that we didn't know about yet and that we found again later, and this
00:32:16in fact it does, to say that the little girl had had...
00:32:20Doctor, doctor, can you hear me?
00:32:22Okay, we also did...
00:32:22Can you hear me?
00:32:23Excuse me a moment, doctor.
00:32:24Can you hear me?
00:32:25Yes, yes, I feel it.
00:32:26Listen, I would ask you to speak, to say exactly what you want, but to speak
00:32:30a little slower, less frantic.
00:32:32No, no, no, look, because I relive those moments, but when I hear people say, what
00:32:37he has not seen and has never understood, let's say, this fact here, of devastation, suffered
00:32:43from a little girl, because she has to shoulder the professor, I'll take the professor, the facts
00:32:47of violence, with the motivating facts being superseded, and so there was another
00:32:51driving body, more robust, which really devastated that nearby body in that area
00:32:57of eroticism which we all know are the most significant parts when you want to bring
00:33:04violence.
00:33:05And at the other moment there is the micropic part, and the part that had suffered at the moment in
00:33:11which little girl you had that scourge of a monster.
00:33:31Doctor, I asked Professor Barone to join me here, perhaps you see him, he has a
00:33:36TV in front.
00:33:37Yes, he is a very nice person, it was a pleasure, he is a very intelligent recuto.
00:33:42Yes, yes, but he wanted to say a few words to her, colleague to colleague.
00:33:45Yes, with all my heart.
00:33:47Here, you listen to it, you listen to it, you stay on the line, it doesn't...
00:33:48Also because I was affected, I was the one in the expert opinion, in the autopsy, done
00:33:52to my teacher, Professor Bertappio, who esteemed me highly and loved me very much
00:33:56well, moreover.
00:33:57Listen, stay on the line, he's not leaving.
00:33:59Yes, please, please.
00:34:00Listen.
00:34:00Thank you for calling and thank you for your kind words.
00:34:05However, here I am faced, as Dr. Augias has shown us, with two possibilities.
00:34:13One, the recognition of the corpse, in which a diagnosis is made on the corpse at 7-8
00:34:18days after death, of rape, even complete rape with injuries
00:34:26disruptive, objectifiable, therefore with anatomical lesions, I imagine a lesion of the vagina
00:34:31or of the rectal bladder, I don't know, I see this.
00:34:34No, there was no rectum at all.
00:34:35There was no rectum, very well.
00:34:36So, let's say, the vagina and the bladder.
00:34:40And on the other hand I find myself faced with the forensic medical report based on the autopsy,
00:34:45which excludes rape.
00:34:49Now, I allow myself to think, not as a professional, but as a man in the street at this point, that
00:34:55probably during the reconnaissance of the body, she with all the good faith that she did not
00:35:01absolutely never comes, and his expertise which absolutely cannot be put into question
00:35:08discussion, perhaps he confused a traumatic event not related to violence with violence itself.
00:35:16and the implications on the criminal level are very different.
00:35:19At the anatomical table, at the autopsy table, the calm with which one can evaluate
00:35:25these events is very different.
00:35:27So, of course, I, dear colleague, must give credence to the autopsy medical-legal report,
00:35:34with all the sympathy he has for me.
00:35:35Can't I answer?
00:35:36Yes, certainly.
00:35:38Briefly, like this...
00:35:39Please, the actor.
00:35:40I was there too in the forensic face, I was there too on the anatomical table,
00:35:43together with the professor of the body Borani, but that the calm ended up living, then in appreciation.
00:35:48And I say this, you already know, in fact, better than me, perhaps, that in fact germs
00:35:54pulse and activity, at a certain moment, in the right areas, in those areas, have greater
00:36:01access and greater step to be able to break the fabrics a little.
00:36:06And you think about one thing, even outside of the violence that really tells her, the lesson
00:36:10there is always at a certain moment, because they break everything else, whatever it is, in fact
00:36:16there I can be a little healthy at that moment, to the extent that, to the extent that
00:36:22the germs pulse and factiva, doctor, excuse me, unfortunately we understand, we do not understand everything about
00:36:32what she says, because the line, however I think that the gist, the overall meaning is
00:36:37let it be understood and I believe that Professor Boroni has already answered you, explaining, you have
00:36:41both explained, each in his own way, why that mistake could be made.
00:36:46I'll just tell you one thing, to finish, a summary of events that have devastated, look,
00:36:53there was no lesion of the rectum, there was no lesion of the rectum, nor of the bladder, but in fact
00:36:59the vaginal penetration was a truly, truly terrifying thing.
00:37:05Terror, thank you, thank you.
00:37:10I was also there, together with the professor, when we were on the anatomical table, not the
00:37:16he hides, he repeats, that the professor had remained here, probably, surprised, by my diagnosis
00:37:23right that I had done, just doing, and then it was said that there had been no injury, because
00:37:29the rectum was healthy, that's all it was, but in a state of putrefaction.
00:37:34I think, I think that she, I thank her again for calling, and I do.
00:37:39I'm just telling you that in my diagnosis, because I was wise, sincere, truthful,
00:37:46capable, valid, also because in fact, you look, on the same place, at the little girls, at the
00:37:50I avoided two other little girls, who also had bone injuries.
00:37:54He clarified, he clarified the situation down to the last percent, thank you very much, thank you.
00:37:59to have intervened.
00:38:02I was saying, before this appropriate clarification, Vinci, therefore, Michele Vinci, takes on all
00:38:08responsibilities, he says he acted alone, a thesis that immediately raises questions
00:38:12much perplexity, also because, for example, since the judge, after his mission, or
00:38:18acting alone, immediately invites him to go to the place to see where the girls could
00:38:23to have ended up, in which cavity, in which well, Vinci begins to demonstrate there some
00:38:28uncertainties, acts as if he didn't really know what he was saying, or didn't know
00:38:33everything he was saying.
00:38:35In fact, only after a long search, the Carabinieri and the firefighters found at the bottom of a
00:38:42deep well, more than 20 meters, the bodies of the two little girls, who, mind you, despite
00:38:48several days had passed since the day of the disappearance, they resulted from the doctor's examination
00:38:55legally dead no more than 12, maximum 24 hours ago.
00:39:00The archive footage we are now showing you shows the moment of their discovery.
00:39:08Let's see it.
00:39:46Let's see it.
00:39:47Let's see it.
00:39:47Let's see it.
00:39:48Let's see it.
00:39:50Let's see it.
00:39:52Let's see it.
00:39:53Let's see it.
00:39:54Let's see it.
00:39:55Let's see it.
00:39:55Let's see it.
00:39:57Let's see it.
00:39:58Let's see it.
00:40:00Let's see it.
00:40:00Yes, yes, yes.
00:40:57Yes, yes, yes.
00:41:00The death of the two girls had been simply an accident.
00:41:11Vinci also said this because when he completed his confession that we now see depicted in this film of our reconstruction,
00:41:23the situation was, Vinci said, that the situation had immediately presented itself in this way.
00:41:30He had freed himself of the two Marchese sisters who had found themselves involved almost by chance in that kidnapping.
00:41:38and instead he had kept Antonella, we see here in this video, prisoner in his little house in the countryside, until
00:41:47one day he noticed, these are his exact words, that Antonella had become soft, soft.
00:41:56So, scared, terrified by this unforeseen accident in his criminal plan.
00:42:06He had taken Antonella's body and had gone and disposed of it, going to lay it down there in that
00:42:14'building, in that semi-abandoned school where the plumber then accidentally puts water in.
00:42:21After a few days he will find it again.
00:42:27This, I repeat, is the first version that Michele Vinci gave to the magistrates who were interrogating him.
00:43:20This, I repeat, is the first version we are dealing with.
00:43:47We know today, after so many years, that that confession was a lie.
00:43:51One of the few things we know.
00:43:54And here in the office we have lawyer Elio Esposito, good evening, who is Michele Vinci's defense attorney.
00:44:00Why did Vinci lie in that first reconstruction of the facts?
00:44:04Vinci was terrified of something and so he made a choice.
00:44:11He preferred the prospect of life imprisonment for himself to death or very serious harm to his family and in a way
00:44:21especially for his wife who loved him desperately.
00:44:25And he loved her and probably continues to love her desperately.
00:44:29There were other events, I don't know that.
00:44:31No, I wanted to ask one more question before we move on, sir.
00:44:34I wanted to ask, you, as I said before, are Michele Vinci's lawyer.
00:44:37And up to this point it is normal for a defendant, a convicted person to have a lawyer.
00:44:41How did Michele Vinci become his lawyer?
00:44:43I became a lawyer for Michele Vinci for a sort of munus publicum, because nobody, the public office, that's it,
00:44:55no one wanted to defend Michele Vinci.
00:44:58The monster.
00:44:59The monster.
00:44:59And then the Council of the Order delegated me to what appeared to be a delicate process.
00:45:06and I was also urged to take on the role by other magistrates of Trapani.
00:45:12To provide a defense that does not end in the usual way, I will refer the matter to the courts.
00:45:18To justice, to the clemency of the Court.
00:45:20This happened in 1973.
00:45:22Yes.
00:45:22Today we are in '88.
00:45:24Well, then I realized I had been given a monster to defend,
00:45:30but that this monster was actually hiding a disturbing judicial case
00:45:36and today I affirm with certainty a scandalous miscarriage of justice.
00:45:43This is something we have heard before, this program, of lawyers who defend defendants or convicted people.
00:45:49and who speak of a miscarriage of justice.
00:45:52It's a shame, because in our country we shouldn't talk about judicial errors.
00:45:55if justice worked differently.
00:45:58If this program often highlights miscarriages of justice,
00:46:04it means that our justice is not what we aspire to.
00:46:09No, of course.
00:46:10And that your program does a work...
00:46:12Of good.
00:46:14...highly meritorious.
00:46:15Listen, Mr. Esposito, you said earlier that Vinci was terrified. Of what?
00:46:19Vinci was terrified by threats.
00:46:22I would like, if I may, to make a small comment on the otherwise precise reconstruction of the facts.
00:46:29Please.
00:46:29The point is this, that of the blessed anonymous letter sent to Terranova
00:46:34We found out about it eight years later.
00:46:39And I say that Judge Libertino Russo who investigated the case only took it this evening.
00:46:47We will talk about it in the second part of the program when Judge Libertino Russo,
00:46:51who is here with us, will participate in the conversation, the discussion, the collective debate.
00:46:56Why is that anonymous letter important?
00:46:58It's very important.
00:46:59So, excuse me, remind the viewer.
00:47:00That anonymous letter, I said, I said, reached the police,
00:47:04she says it reached the magistrate.
00:47:05Who is right, you or me?
00:47:07Look, we only know...
00:47:08No, that's a detail.
00:47:10It's a detail.
00:47:12I think it even made it to Newfoundland.
00:47:14Ah, to the magistrate.
00:47:15So, let's say, that anonymous letter came from the magistrate.
00:47:17It has arrived at the prosecutor's office.
00:47:18I always heard that it had reached the prosecutor's office.
00:47:20Very good.
00:47:20That anonymous letter arrived at the prosecutor's office, saying Vince was guilty.
00:47:23It's very important.
00:47:23Why is it so important?
00:47:25Why an anonymous letter indicating a culprit conflicts with the monster-win thesis.
00:47:29This means that it is no longer a murder that arises from the sudden impulse of a madman in love with the little girl,
00:47:37but it is something different that someone knows about and participates in the magistrate's office, probably for his own purposes.
00:47:45That is, the abduction of a madman, falling in love, rape...
00:47:49I beg to make an objection.
00:47:50Vince had had psychiatric presidents, if I'm not mistaken.
00:47:53No, there had been psychiatric presidents in the family.
00:47:56There had been psychiatric presidents in the family.
00:47:58And it cannot be that someone in Marsala, knowing these precedents, has, as is done in anonymous letters,
00:48:03maybe lightly, maybe for infamous purposes, said, but if that guy had a father or a grandfather
00:48:09a little out of balance,
00:48:10maybe him too, I'll send a letter to the magistrate.
00:48:13Then you tie it up.
00:48:14And how come out of 60,000 or 90,000 inhabitants, Marsala ends up identifying Vinci?
00:48:19Tell her, answer her.
00:48:21No, I can't answer.
00:48:22No, I'm not telling him.
00:48:22The anonymous letter is important because the anonymous letter falls after a subsequent event.
00:48:29That is, when the Carabinieri arrive at San Giovanni, it is clear, at the San Giovanni paper mill,
00:48:36and it is said this ribbon in Marsala is bought only by you,
00:48:40here after some time, and the reconstruction of the times is objective,
00:48:45the chronological reconstruction, starts with this anonymous letter that we learn about only after a long time,
00:48:53which allows Newfoundland to locate.
00:48:55Vinci, why are you just learning this? What's the significance of the fact that you only learned it after so long?
00:49:02Because if we had learned of this, the existence of this letter,
00:49:07already in the first degree trial, we would have with greater strength, in addition to the support of all the circumstances
00:49:15who are fighting for Vinci's different participation in the criminal act,
00:49:21could argue, as we have argued ever since, that Vinci is merely a pawn in a machine.
00:49:28Lawyer, I understand, I think everyone understands.
00:49:31Lawyer, I have to ask you a very delicate question at this point.
00:49:34Remembering that Judge Cesare Terranova, whom we are talking about, was later killed by the Mafia.
00:49:40Why did Judge Terranova let you know this only after so much time?
00:49:45Judge Terranova never made it known, so much so that I must say that I even doubted its existence,
00:49:52because I absolutely cannot believe that a magistrate of the integrity and ability of Cesare Terranova
00:50:00use this letter which has enormous evidentiary value and do not rehabilitate it in the trial
00:50:07and above all, do not change your critical perspectives, your critical expectations on the evaluation of the fact.
00:50:13Well, first of all...
00:50:14We take it incidentally during the third slander trial, that is, the first one for slander.
00:50:21Yes, we won't go into this in detail now, otherwise things will get too complicated.
00:50:25Assuming that the answer you will give is your personal opinion,
00:50:29What conclusion do you draw from the fact that the existence of this anonymous letter was kept from you for so long?
00:50:36What conclusions do you draw about that investigation and perhaps about that magistrate?
00:50:42I always say when I am asked for opinions on people, on defendants, that I am a lawyer,
00:50:49I defend, I don't pass judgment.
00:50:50The Gospel says judge not, you will not be judged.
00:50:54After so many years he only noted this circumstance critically and with wonder.
00:51:04which in my opinion has enormous evidentiary value and I regret having taken it too late.
00:51:12Thank you, Attorney Esposito.
00:51:14I think we will return to this detail of the anonymous letter with the others who are here in the studio this evening.
00:51:20because it's a very important detail, if I understand correctly.
00:51:24I would say fundamental.
00:51:25It's essential.
00:51:25It is fundamental for the defense thesis, it is fundamental for, I think, understanding for that review of the process.
00:51:32which one is she aiming for or not?
00:51:33In which I hope.
00:51:34In which she hopes.
00:51:36Anyway, his, we have at the beginning of this conversation, we said with the lawyer Esposito
00:51:42Win out of fear, arrested, doesn't tell the truth.
00:51:47The father of the two little Marchese girls, Virginia and Ninfa Marchese, is also of the same opinion.
00:51:55whom we reached and interviewed in Sicily.
00:51:58Let's hear what he told us.
00:52:10I am the father of the girls, 17 years have passed and I am still waiting for justice.
00:52:20So, when he kidnapped the kids, they say they threw it away.
00:52:29But I don't believe that the children were thrown away because I saw my children at the school.
00:52:36and they didn't have a bunch on their meat.
00:52:40Unfortunately, after a few days, I fell into that cursed well.
00:52:49There were dry coppers, tree trunks.
00:52:53And how can children, at that height, not even carry a bunch?
00:53:00And then the children lowered themselves, not threw themselves.
00:53:06And it's not possible that Michael wins alone, that he could do all this mastery alone.
00:53:15Maybe he'll get some forgiveness from me, but he'll have to call the person responsible.
00:53:23Unfortunately, after day 26, they found the adhesive birthmark,
00:53:28He gagged the little girl Antonella, and another 15 days passed.
00:53:34And who worked there, Michele wins?
00:53:40All this time, why did they immediately put him under Michele Vince?
00:53:48And the children found me alive.
00:53:50And then my children weren't dead.
00:53:53And I'm sure of that.
00:53:57Vinci is lying, say Concordi, the lawyer Esposito who defends Vinci
00:54:02and father Paolo Marchese, father of Virginia and Ninfa.
00:54:07He lies because he's afraid, he's so afraid that he's willing to take it on
00:54:11the penalty of life imprisonment just for not telling the truth.
00:54:15Yet, as the interrogation and investigations continued,
00:54:19After a while, you win and change your story.
00:54:20He no longer says, as he had said before, I did it all by myself,
00:54:24but he says that instead he kidnapped Antonella because a certain Nicola di vita
00:54:30he had asked her.
00:54:31And that he delivered Antonella, who unfortunately that day
00:54:36he was in the company of the two little marquise girls
00:54:38that had nothing to do with that fact
00:54:41and it's just a coincidence if they were involved,
00:54:45he delivers all three girls to this Nicola of life
00:54:48who had asked him to do so.
00:54:50Among other things, trusting in the fact that the girls,
00:54:52being three and no longer just one, as it was supposed to be according to the plans,
00:54:57they would have, so to speak, protected each other.
00:55:00And that in any case it was certain, adds and concludes Vinci,
00:55:03that no harm would be done to the girls.
00:55:08The two little marquise girls are made, they are put in a kind of prison
00:55:12which we will see, which we have reconstructed in our own film,
00:55:18some hypothetical crucial phases that surely end with a crucial phase
00:55:24because the autopsy tells us this.
00:55:26They end with a...
00:55:28The girls come...
00:55:29He is given a sleeping pill,
00:55:31he is given a drug
00:55:32to make them sleep deeply
00:55:35in view of the atrocious end that awaits them.
00:55:38Let's see the video.
00:55:48He is given a sleeping pill,
00:56:31He is given a sleeping pill,
00:56:41He is given a sleeping pill,
00:56:59He is given a sleeping pill,
00:57:04It was not true at all, because he said so, that I passed by that bar and he told me that
00:57:15I offered us bitters at the bar.
00:57:19When he compared, he asked, he said that I wore the lens, the glasses and the hat.
00:57:32He had a 45 year old man, he didn't know how old he was.
00:57:39My relationship with Michele Vinci was known since I was a boy, as a child, who lived in the same street where I lived,
00:57:48via 19 luglio, that he worked in Mr. Terranova, negotiated.
00:57:57We used to go out together sometimes, when we were single.
00:58:02And then he, I got married, he went off on his own.
00:58:17ah
00:58:33Thank you all.
00:59:01Thank you all.
00:59:33Thank you all.
01:00:18Thank you all.
01:00:20Thank you all.
01:00:38Thank you all.
01:01:17Thank you all.
01:01:23Thank you all.
01:01:32Thank you all.
01:01:35Thank you all.
01:01:45Thank you all.
01:01:47If they hadn't died, would those girls be in their early 30s today?
01:01:52Thank you all.
01:01:58Thank you all.
01:02:00So one went to kindergarten and one to the grocery store?
01:02:04Yes.
01:02:33Yes.
01:02:35Thank you all.
01:02:35At Massala's school?
01:02:37At the Massala master's degree.
01:02:38At the Massala master's degree.
01:02:39At the Massala master's degree, yes.
01:02:41Did this fact change your life so to speak?
01:02:44No, my life is always the same.
01:02:48At the Massala Master's Degree in Massala.
01:02:49At the Massala master's degree.
01:02:49Yes, there were six more.
01:02:50Six more?
01:02:51And there's also my little one who has the name of those two little girls I miss.
01:02:59Mr. Marchese, you said something earlier in the interview we aired,
01:03:05he made a hypothesis, he said Vinci could not have acted alone.
01:03:08Of course, I don't believe it, I can never believe that he alone could do all this,
01:03:18especially since my kids said they were thrown away.
01:03:21I don't believe it.
01:03:23Why were her children kidnapped and then killed?
01:03:31But my children met by chance because they were always with Antonella.
01:03:36Michele Vinci can say this because he took it.
01:03:40It's because he didn't save my children.
01:03:43That my children had nothing to do with this story.
01:03:47Have you ever wondered why Antonella, instead, apart from her little girls,
01:03:52had it been taken?
01:03:53But I don't know that.
01:03:55I can know this because he wins them.
01:03:57Why I win them is not because they were ignorant or...
01:04:02I knew him by sight.
01:04:04Every now and then he would say that he had the basement there.
01:04:08I saw it like this.
01:04:10We had no relationship.
01:04:12Neither with him nor even with his family.
01:04:16I'm going to ask you a question that might seem a little naive.
01:04:19Have you ever received any threats during this time?
01:04:21No.
01:04:22I have to be honest.
01:04:23I have not received any threats.
01:04:26If I had received it, I would have gone to the Public Prosecutor's Office and told Judge Borsellino.
01:04:35I keep it because they are honest people who do their job honestly and I trust them.
01:04:42We have another judge here tonight.
01:04:45There's a judge who was a real show-off, and so I respect him too.
01:04:53Make yourself comfortable.
01:04:54We'll talk to her again soon.
01:04:55Thank you.
01:04:56Thank you for coming.
01:04:57The trial against Michele Vinci opened at the Assize Court of Trapani on November 15, 1973.
01:05:06And here a sensational twist occurs because Michele Vinci is perhaps acting in a comedy, as the lawyers say
01:05:15'other side,
01:05:16perhaps overcoming his fears, as Michele Vinci's lawyers say, he names the instigator.
01:05:23Not only does he name the instigator, he shouts the instigator's name.
01:05:27He shouts it several times in a dramatic moment which also arouses the applause of the people who were watching
01:05:35that process,
01:05:36perhaps struck by the drama or the veracity of what seemed to be happening before their eyes
01:05:43and which a rare piece of archive footage captured.
01:05:47We offer you that video.
01:05:49There he is.
01:05:51...12 days ago, at the end of which he had risked being lynched by the crowd.
01:05:56Pale, his eyes hidden by a pair of dark glasses, he bit his fingers nervously.
01:06:03A microphone was placed in front of the defendants' enclosure
01:06:06to better listen to his speech punctuated by long pauses.
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01:19:45It's completely different, let's listen to it.
01:19:48But you've never received any threats?
01:19:50No, absolutely not.
01:19:51If I had been threatened, I certainly would not have gone to Germany.
01:19:55and leave my children here, but the Turks.
01:19:58You too, Mr. Valenti, have you never received any threats?
01:20:00He never had any.
01:20:01I don't even know what these threats mean.
01:20:05Because she asks Marsala, who is I,
01:20:08I make house and Marina, Marina and house.
01:20:11This is my blood pressure.
01:20:14I never go to Porta Mazzara, I never go to the loggia,
01:20:17nothing, in short, dirt roads.
01:20:19I don't go to anything, sea and house, sea and house.
01:20:25This is my day as I spend it.
01:20:29And we don't even know anyone who could threaten us,
01:20:32because we are good people and we have no enemies, I think.
01:20:36He did this.
01:20:38For me he must be an accomplice to the fact, right?
01:20:41Who was threatened, accomplice.
01:20:42Listen, Maria, why did they accuse you of a sentence?
01:20:46which she always denied having said?
01:20:49That's the negomina today.
01:20:51They said it and they did it.
01:20:52The negomina today, because I have never been to Marsala by train.
01:20:56My brother-in-law's brother drove me there in his car.
01:21:00And I didn't say this sentence.
01:21:02I repeat it to this day, that I have not said it.
01:21:05Why did they force it into his mouth, in your opinion?
01:21:08But Cucchetti was, because then they made me do a comparison here in Marsala.
01:21:14Who is this person?
01:21:17This is what Cucchetti is called, it's also the motto, this Cucchetti.
01:21:21They made me do the royal palace that was, not here.
01:21:25They made me do the comparison.
01:21:27And he says, well, he himself took it all back.
01:21:31He says don't ruin me, don't ruin me, because he wasn't sure of what he was saying.
01:21:36In short, he's afraid of dancing, because they threaten me, if they kill me, in short, many things.
01:21:46But has she never been threatened?
01:21:49No, never.
01:21:52But do you prefer not to leave the house?
01:21:55If, as he says, well, I don't know, my parents don't want me to go out.
01:22:02Because how can he be telling the truth, how can he be not telling the truth.
01:22:08Because we don't know how things are going yet.
01:22:11If he doesn't dance, we don't know what to do.
01:22:16Why did he do it, you wretch?
01:22:20This is what he must tell us.
01:22:21Why did he do it?
01:22:23For what reason?
01:22:26He did it.
01:22:27Why is it a blur?
01:22:28And why is it a blur?
01:22:31And why is it a blur?
01:22:31And for whom is it still a mess?
01:22:33Is this poison?
01:22:38No threat, says Maria Valenti,
01:22:40who hopes to see Michele Vinci dead, poisoned.
01:22:45Threats, however, says the journalist Palmeri,
01:22:49who claims to have heard them, and we must believe him, from the protagonist's own mouth.
01:22:55Two absolutely contrasting theses.
01:22:57At this point in the program, in a few minutes we will have to interrupt for the news break,
01:23:03we are able to offer you a document that sheds light on this in a sensational way
01:23:06the atmosphere, the environment, the personality of the protagonists in which this crime took place.
01:23:13I'm not saying they were involved, I'm saying the environment around the crime as it happened.
01:23:20It's an interview with the marshal, with the former marshal of the Carabinieri Nicotra,
01:23:25which you have already seen appear briefly in a video,
01:23:28but which here answers a specific question.
01:23:31I would like us to look at the document together, then, just one word of comment
01:23:36to what the marshal is about to say.
01:23:38Let's see it.
01:23:42I did not give it to this Nania, as I learned the news that the winner
01:23:47during the trial held in Trapani he had in fact mentioned Nania's name as his accomplice
01:23:52and having received the order from my company commander to go and arrest Franco Nania,
01:23:57I refused to carry out this order because I considered it not perfectly legal,
01:24:07in the sense that an accusation made by a Michele Vinci could be truly absurd,
01:24:16arrest a professional like Franco Nania, who I knew very well,
01:24:21who I knew was a friend of Michele Vinci because they had worked together in the past.
01:24:28But to get to the point that Franco Nania could be an accomplice of Michele Vinci
01:24:33It seemed really absurd to me, so I refused.
01:24:36The arrest was carried out by the military of the Marsala APS,
01:24:42he had occasion to have Nania offer him a place at Legno Sud,
01:24:47which was an industry that built pallets, platforms for transporting materials.
01:24:54My job at the plant was...
01:25:03let's say factory manager.
01:25:06Thank you.
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