Il 3 luglio 1983 vengono rinvenuti i corpi straziati di due bambine, Barbara Sellini di 7 anni e Nunzia Munizzi di 10 anni, scomparse la sera precedente nei pressi del quartiere Ponticelli di Napoli. Per il duplice orrendo omicidio vengono condannati all'ergastolo i ventenni incensurati Ciro Imperante, Luigi Schiavo e Giuseppe La Rocca. I tre si sono sempre dichiarati innocenti e nell'istanza di revisione presentata nel 2013 nuovi elementi hanno indotto i giudici a riaprire il caso. A distanza di oltre un trentennio, dunque, si cerca ancora la verità...
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00:00:00Music
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00:01:47Good evening, one of the most monstrous crimes that ever occurred in post-war Italy,
00:01:53one of those crimes that stir emotions and end up with strong headlines on the front pages of newspapers.
00:02:00This is the case we will be dealing with this evening, a case known then and in the memory of many are
00:02:07Certain,
00:02:07as in the case of the Ponticelli monsters.
00:02:11And with these words I want to recall him now at the beginning of the program precisely because of the emotion that that same definition evokes.
00:02:19aroused,
00:02:19emotion which, as we will see, may have played a part in the unfolding of the events I am about to describe.
00:02:28In fact, I say right away that people, four people, have been judged and definitively condemned for this crime.
00:02:34and that despite this yellow phone takes care of it as it has happened a few times in the past
00:02:41because every time a series of doubts, of reasonable doubts, come between the officially ascertained truth
00:02:49and the possible development of events, we think we are providing not only a public service
00:02:57but also a necessary information, reoccupying ourselves, retelling the facts and re-verifying them among ourselves
00:03:03with the studio guests and together with you who are connected directly, as I will say, in a moment.
00:03:09Theater, here's how the director promptly reminds us, the telephone number 0769 7399
00:03:18the first four digits, 0769 is the prefix, but we'll talk about that again.
00:03:23Theater of the misdeed, theater of the outrage that we are about to deal with
00:03:27It is Ponticelli, a town, a neighborhood, an urban area in the Neapolitan area, near Naples
00:03:35one of the areas in the south where social degradation is most evident
00:03:40I say these words, I would like you to memorize them with full awareness of what they mean
00:03:45It's not a sociology textbook phrase when I say social and urban degradation
00:03:51I mean social and urban degradation, that is, one of those places where the law is a distant word
00:03:58abstract and with a very uncertain meaning.
00:04:01Our troops for example when they turned towards the beginning of November
00:04:06she was advised by the police not to go and film in the exact place where
00:04:11the events had taken place, another RAI troop was subjected to hooligan acts
00:04:15slashed tires etc. and Ponticelli's rest, apart from these minor news episodes
00:04:22it is the place where in November those six people were murdered in a settlement
00:04:29of Counts of the Camorra and where even yesterday not exactly in Ponticelli but near Barra
00:04:32two more people have been killed in a crescendo of murders that the police cannot contain because
00:04:38Unfortunately, it's not just a police issue.
00:04:42This is the atrocious backdrop, let's even say the worst Italy, that frames our story.
00:04:51It is a background that must be forcefully recalled at the beginning of the program because it goes against that
00:04:56in the background, ambiguous behaviors stand out, phrases said and then retracted or vice versa.
00:05:03Before going, before starting the reconstruction, the story of the facts, I remind you how I do it
00:05:09as long as this is a live program and I remind you once again that our
00:05:14The telephone number for anyone who wants to call us during the broadcast is the one you see
00:05:18there 0769 prefix for those calling from outside Rome, 7399 urban number.
00:05:24I also have to tell you another thing this evening which is an announcement that I'm only making this evening.
00:05:29while I always say the rest.
00:05:32This is the last episode of Telefono Giallo of this series, Telefono Giallo will resume
00:05:38for another short series starting mid-January and it will be a short series of 5 or 6
00:05:43episodes,
00:05:44We will start airing exactly on January 16th and it will be a Tuesday January 16th,
00:05:50no longer on Fridays but on Tuesdays, Tuesday 16th January for 5 or 6 weeks we will still be together
00:05:58before then you and we take care of other activities.
00:06:03And let's get to the facts, let's get to the facts that begin, excuse me, Saturday 2nd July 1983,
00:06:11Saturday, July 2, 1983.
00:06:15At about 7.30, 7.30 pm, at 7.30 pm, two little girls, Barbara and Nunzia,
00:06:21they play in the street in the company of other children.
00:06:24Evening falls and with the first shadows, with the fading light of day,
00:06:29worries creep into the parents of those little girls because suddenly
00:06:35One of the mothers realizes that she no longer sees her daughters, she no longer knows where they have ended up.
00:06:40In the first of these videos, Faliero Rosati reconstructed the facts as follows.
00:06:45Thank you all.
00:07:28Thank you all.
00:07:56Thank you all.
00:08:26With anxiety first, with desperation later, the parents of those two little girls, Barbara and Nunzia,
00:08:3110 and 7 year olds, they are looking for their daughters, their missing daughters.
00:08:37They are joined by the other inhabitants of the neighborhood, which is the Incis neighborhood, of the Incis houses of Ponticelli,
00:08:44acquaintances, friends, all intent on finding those two creatures that are no longer there.
00:08:49The disappearance was also reported to the police, but it was only at 12.30, that is, at half past twelve of the day.
00:08:58After,
00:08:59that is, on Sunday, the fact occurred on Saturday, on Sunday, that the two little girls were found by chance by a group
00:09:08of three people
00:09:09in the dry riverbed, we are in July, I remind you, of a torrent, those three people see what now also
00:09:16we'll see.
00:09:56Faliero Rosati, in his careful reconstruction, showed you the scene, now I will remind you of it,
00:10:01why those two bodies are found one on top of the other, practically in the position that with a half jargon
00:10:08between that of the archaeologists and that of the police it is called the fighter.
00:10:13About two meters away from the other objects there are scattered signs of the passage of the victims and their
00:10:19of their murderers.
00:10:21Some blood stains, a pair of wooden clogs, you saw them in the video, as you saw,
00:10:27a pair of plastic sandals, a car rag, a jar also stained with blood.
00:10:33That Sunday, July 3rd, all of Italy knew about the event, many of you will remember it,
00:10:39and all of Italy shuddered at the ferocity, the brutality of that massacre,
00:10:45they gave news of it to various editions, including the radio news and the television news,
00:10:50and we are now offering you one of those editions again.
00:10:52On the western outskirts of Naples, they were found late this morning
00:10:57the bodies of two girls aged 7 and 10.
00:11:00They were tied one on top of the other and partly charred.
00:11:04The girls were tortured before being killed.
00:11:07There are several cuts and bruises on their bodies.
00:11:10The double homicide appears to be the work of a maniac, even though the investigation is pursuing every lead.
00:11:19The two bodies show stab wounds, many wounds, 19 on one body, 13 on the other.
00:11:27The bodies were set on fire, as I said, burned, they were 70% burned.
00:11:32The fuel used, a report says, was likely alcohol rather than propellant,
00:11:38which in simple terms means that denatured alcohol was probably used and not gasoline.
00:11:44Professor Alfonso Zarone, who is here in the office with me, good evening professor,
00:11:50he carried out the necronomobic assessments.
00:11:53Professor Zarone, first of all, there are 20 questions I'd like to ask. I'll ask you the first one.
00:12:00What did those wounds look like?
00:12:03Were the wounds the cause of death, apart from the combustion?
00:12:07Certainly death in both cases was caused by injuries caused by an instrument
00:12:13which acted with characteristics typical of a stabbing and cutting weapon.
00:12:17That is, a knife?
00:12:18A stabbing and cutting weapon and therefore most likely a knife.
00:12:22A blade with features of regularity of the cutting edge and with the characteristic of a single cutting edge
00:12:34in the sense that in the proximal part of the blade, that is, the part closest to what is presumably
00:12:40it had to be the hilt, the blade had to be blunt as per the truth of proper weapons.
00:12:49That is, it cut only on one side, in other words, one of those stilettos perhaps?
00:12:54No, one of those weapons which can have a sharp edge, that is, towards the tip.
00:13:01As it moves towards the edge, it becomes blunted, then becomes single-edged.
00:13:07In some of those wounds that I studied I found this characteristic, a blunt end, a sharp end.
00:13:15In all cases the lesions showed characteristics of extremely regular margins.
00:13:20What kind of wounds were they? Were they deep, devastating wounds, or were they superficial wounds?
00:13:25Some of these wounds were certainly deep, but many of these wounds in the cases were entirely superficial.
00:13:34Some limited to 4-5 mm on the surface, especially in one of the two.
00:13:41warning announcements, the poor little girl, the older one, all grouped together in the part of the body that was still explorable,
00:13:49because much of the surface was charred in both corpses.
00:13:53So in what was the still explorable part, I had the opportunity to objectify these numerous puncture wounds and
00:14:00cut.
00:14:01What did you attribute the superficiality of those wounds, some of the wounds, to?
00:14:06I wrote that at least in the two murders there were certainly connotations that revealed a psychodynamic with a sadistic content.
00:14:17On the other hand, when I was asked the question by the magistrate precisely whether the girls had been subjected to
00:14:23Torture.
00:14:24And since technically, without wanting to make an identikit of the culprit, because it's grotesque, maybe Quincy will be able to do it,
00:14:33I do not,
00:14:34I can describe the corpses, but not the murders.
00:14:37Both bodies had characteristics that revealed a purpose that was not only aimed at killing.
00:14:44Because the number of lesions and the superficiality of some of them, and also the location, ammunition in one on the
00:14:50right gluteal region,
00:14:52one I think is on the back of an arm, therefore in non-vital areas,
00:14:56and the well-founded presumption, not the certainty, but the well-founded presumption that it might not even be the only injuries reported
00:15:03from the victims,
00:15:04It now prompted me to give a precise answer to the magistrate.
00:15:08Did she find out if they had been raped?
00:15:11In one of the two I had no opportunity to carry out any kind of investigation,
00:15:18because it even had carbonization, the absolute destruction of all the parts that could be the object of a technical evaluation.
00:15:26In the other little girl, the eldest unfortunately, I say unfortunately because I would have liked not to see some of them even in the eldest
00:15:35these things,
00:15:36had evidence of a life-threatening, blunt injury to the posterior wall of the vagina,
00:15:43which I believed was certainly attributable to a traumatic action caused during life.
00:15:48I kept the macroscopic piece for a long time to be able to show it, I photographed it,
00:15:53and this contusive action on the wall was manifest and evident,
00:15:59which then does not necessarily have to represent the proof in the precise terms.
00:16:04Proof of violence, yes, but not of a union achieved according to nature.
00:16:10I mean, it is possible to hypothesize other cavity penetration maneuvers, not according to nature.
00:16:18Listen, professor, the fact that you seem to attribute, seems to describe a bit the crime of a sadist,
00:16:25I don't know very well, you already said that you don't describe the murderer, you describe the wounds, you describe the state of the
00:16:31facts,
00:16:32but let the reporter express this approximation.
00:16:36It does not conflict with the fact that the bodies were then burned, because the sadist kills when he kills,
00:16:42but then it goes away, it doesn't burn, that's not a contradiction.
00:16:46Listen, in fact, if I had written it, perhaps you would have the right to ask this question,
00:16:51but since I didn't write it I don't see why I should respond.
00:16:53Then I don't know, the sadist's behavior is not codified, I don't know where there is any trace of it
00:17:00that can allow this statement, that the sadist then does not burn the corpse.
00:17:04Well, I don't know, it doesn't happen to me, and yet it's been 37 years of criminal activity.
00:17:08This is written in the sentence.
00:17:11However, I want to tell you this, in full conscience, because it is possible that I will return to being an official expert,
00:17:18because it seems to me that this broadcast has a specific purpose.
00:17:24The precise purpose is to see if there are elements, you said it at the beginning,
00:17:29which can create motivated and well-founded doubts.
00:17:32No, professor, I must necessarily remind myself that I have been and could return to being more.
00:17:39But for goodness sake, after all this is one thing, look, we always ask, I always ask questions,
00:17:44all the questions I want, and people answer when they can answer,
00:17:50they are magistrates who came and at a certain point said I can't answer this.
00:17:56Professor, the purpose of this program is, first of all, if it was not clear, I will clarify it now,
00:18:03it is first of all to retell facts that offer a number of doubts.
00:18:09If then from this re-examination of the facts, as has happened sometimes, in truth, in the history of this program,
00:18:14if decisions are to be made, this is obviously not up to us, it is up to others to make.
00:18:20One last question, professor.
00:18:21How was his expertise evaluated at the trial?
00:18:26I didn't get a score, let's say, I was only called to the Court of Assizes of Appeal
00:18:32to give some clarifications and I was asked the question again, professor,
00:18:37she said it was the murder of a monster and I had to defend myself,
00:18:41or rather of a sadist, I had to defend myself because I really want to underline this aspect,
00:18:49because it does not exist, in order to be able to arrive at an identikit of a culprit and have the technical right
00:18:55to draw up a psychiatric profile, several criminal episodes spaced out in time are required,
00:19:00after which the monster hypothesis can be created.
00:19:04Thanks, I think we'll talk about this again later.
00:19:10Horror and indignation, as you heard from the professor, the same characteristics of the crime,
00:19:16it was caused not only by the age of the victims, but also by the circumstances and everything else,
00:19:20they spread throughout Italy, public opinion puts a lot of pressure on the media, the means of communication
00:19:27that public opinion represents and interprets, ask that justice be done as soon as possible.
00:19:35Obviously, even in the Ponticelli district there is great excitement and great disdain for the investigations,
00:19:41Both the police and the Carabinieri are involved and you can imagine that they are involved,
00:19:47we can all imagine him under the shock wave of this strong emotion,
00:19:52and they deal with it by looking for people, questioning dozens of people,
00:19:57questioning especially those who have a criminal record, those with criminal convictions, those who are suspects
00:20:01or of regulars whose previous drug dealings are suspected,
00:20:08suspicions of child abuse.
00:20:11Among others, the police stopped a certain Corrado Enrico, who declared,
00:20:17and I would like to read it verbatim, which states
00:20:21When I abuse alcohol I go into convulsions and commit abnormal acts towards women and girls.
00:20:28When I abuse alcohol it obviously means in simple terms when I get drunk.
00:20:33But the new fact occurs on September 4th,
00:20:37when the prosecutor issues arrest warrants for three young people from the area.
00:20:42Let's see from a news broadcast how the news was learned and spread.
00:20:50Such a heinous crime had never happened in Naples.
00:20:53Three young men in their twenties killed two little girls from their neighborhood after abusing them.
00:20:58and with the complicity of a quarter they burn the shorts to mislead the investigation.
00:21:03The ferocious crime of Circeo comes to mind,
00:21:05but this time the murderers are not young people from the upper middle class
00:21:08who take the lives of others because they are tired of their own.
00:21:12And they're not even street thugs.
00:21:14They are four guys who work in a neighborhood like Ponticelli
00:21:18with a predominantly working-class and white-collar settlement.
00:21:21The brothers Giuseppe and Salvatore Larocca, 18 and 20 years old,
00:21:25Luigi Schiavo, 20 and Ciro Imperante, 18,
00:21:27they admitted their responsibilities despite contradictions.
00:21:31One of them made a full confession.
00:21:33They were arrested by the Carabinieri last night
00:21:35after two months of difficult investigations.
00:21:40The three accused declare themselves innocent,
00:21:42but this is of course part of the norm.
00:21:46There is no accused, I believe, who does not declare himself innocent.
00:21:49or exceptions are very rare.
00:21:51And the justice machine, the judicial process,
00:21:53he certainly doesn't stop for this.
00:21:55In that case, indeed, he always put himself under the wave,
00:21:59public pressure,
00:22:01which I have mentioned twice.
00:22:02That machine started moving with such speed
00:22:06to arrive very soon at its final destination.
00:22:11To be forgotten, to be left aside every other path
00:22:14of those that had emerged here and there
00:22:18during the initial investigations.
00:22:20We have lawyer Massimo Krog in the studio this evening.
00:22:23Here it is.
00:22:24Good evening, Attorney Krog.
00:22:25Good evening.
00:22:25I thank him for coming.
00:22:27who defended one of the three defendants
00:22:30in the last degree of the process, that is, collection.
00:22:35Lawyer Krog, the car, I said,
00:22:37the justice machinery was set in motion very quickly.
00:22:40Where did it arrive?
00:22:41But, in truth, the justice machine
00:22:44it started moving with great speed
00:22:46and, I must say, with great diligence too.
00:22:49But, at a certain point, unfortunately, it stopped.
00:22:52It stopped right on September 4th
00:22:55which you mentioned earlier.
00:22:57On September 4th, due to circumstances
00:23:00which cannot be summarized now
00:23:03in the few moments I have available,
00:23:06Carmine Mastrillo was heard, who...
00:23:10One of the three...
00:23:11Oh, no, it was the witness.
00:23:13Carmine Mastrillo was a witness.
00:23:14Yes, but now we're left without...
00:23:16And which accused these three young men.
00:23:18At this point, a whole series of other elements
00:23:23that emerged from the process, were completely set aside.
00:23:26And it continued.
00:23:27That lead you mentioned a moment ago...
00:23:30I'll talk about it, I'll talk about it again in a moment.
00:23:32Completely.
00:23:33Is the conviction final?
00:23:35The conviction is now final, certainly.
00:23:38But you, Attorney Krog,
00:23:40But she recently took action against that sentence.
00:23:43an initiative.
00:23:44Do you want to tell us?
00:23:45Yes, the relatives of my ruling client came to me later.
00:23:51They brought me some elements that I deemed suitable.
00:23:56Look, in the meantime look at that monitor.
00:23:58Director Adriana Borgonovo is showing us an article
00:24:02from a few days ago where the possibility is hypothesized,
00:24:05I believe, following his initiative.
00:24:08I interrupted you, sorry.
00:24:09I was saying, these elements that led me
00:24:12I have naturally evaluated them with great attention,
00:24:15with great consideration
00:24:16and I deemed them eligible to file a review application.
00:24:21The request for review will naturally have to be...
00:24:24The application for review is based on new facts.
00:24:27Can you tell us what these new facts are?
00:24:28It is based on new facts of course
00:24:30because only new facts can allow
00:24:33the reopening of a final trial.
00:24:35However, I do not want to go into the details of these new facts.
00:24:39because the review is subject to judgement
00:24:40and so it doesn't seem delicate to me
00:24:42towards the judges who will have to rule.
00:24:45Thank you, Attorney Croc.
00:24:46I prefer not to talk about these new facts.
00:24:48Thank you, Attorney.
00:24:49For now I would stop here,
00:24:50there will be plenty of time to talk afterwards.
00:24:53New facts, said Attorney Croc,
00:24:55even if it is not a necessary reserve,
00:24:58I wanted to say what these new facts are
00:25:00which could restart that process
00:25:04which is currently at a standstill,
00:25:06it's a final sentence.
00:25:07It is worth telling the facts,
00:25:11not only the new ones that Attorney Croc
00:25:13for now he can't tell us,
00:25:15but all the facts.
00:25:16That is, it is worth seeing.
00:25:17how did we arrive at that final sentence?
00:25:22precisely because their concatenation
00:25:25could show us
00:25:26those possible misunderstandings
00:25:29which occurred during the investigations
00:25:31and perhaps of the same process.
00:25:33I confess to you that we ourselves had to win within ourselves
00:25:37a certain resistance
00:25:40because deep down it's somehow comforting
00:25:43to know and to rest on the thought
00:25:46that those responsible for a crime of such ferocity
00:25:49serve a just sentence in prison.
00:25:53And yet I must say that then the re-examination of the facts
00:25:57It brought us to the point of going on air with this program
00:26:00and that now they are facts that we will evaluate together.
00:26:04In the meantime, I remind you once again
00:26:06that we are connected live with you
00:26:08and that the phone number is the one you see there,
00:26:11and that if anyone wants us especially from Ponticelli
00:26:15from that Incis district where the events took place
00:26:20if anyone wants to call us
00:26:21if anyone wants to offer there were new details
00:26:26you can do this by calling that number.
00:26:28So let's start our reconstruction
00:26:30remembering a fact.
00:26:32Several witnesses
00:26:33and among witnesses I also include children
00:26:35who were playing with the two victims
00:26:37that July afternoon
00:26:39they said they had seen the two girls
00:26:42Barbara and Nunzia
00:26:43get on board a blue 500.
00:26:46Let's see it reconstructed in this video
00:26:48that episode.
00:27:36Thank you all.
00:27:52Thank you all.
00:28:22Thank you all.
00:28:38The texts also provide precise details
00:28:41they talk, they say about a license plate number
00:28:43they say about a small car
00:28:45a blue 500 with a broken headlight
00:28:47they also give the description of a man
00:28:49which is a non-generic description for once
00:28:51because there are details
00:28:53a pair of mustaches, some freckles
00:28:55a blond, blondeish or reddish hairdo
00:28:59that is, not dark, not black
00:29:01and so these are details that could be useful
00:29:04to define a physiognomy, an identity
00:29:08Meanwhile, however, something new happens
00:29:11why the interrogations continue
00:29:13and during one of the interrogations
00:29:17there is one of the texts that says something specific
00:29:21which I would like to inform you about
00:29:25says that on Friday, July 1st
00:29:27that is, one day before the disappearance
00:29:30in front of a certain pizzeria
00:29:31which is called La Siesta
00:29:32which is a pizzeria in that location
00:29:35he had met the two girls
00:29:37and that with him there were the two La Rocca brothers
00:29:40here are two La Rocca brothers
00:29:42Luigi Schiavo
00:29:43another person who will later be identified
00:29:46in Ciro Imperanti
00:29:47and a young man without a leg
00:29:50a certain Carmine Mastrillo
00:29:52these are the first names that are starting to emerge
00:29:56from this mass
00:29:57from this jumble of interrogations
00:30:00of course these people
00:30:03they are traced
00:30:04they are questioned
00:30:05and they deny
00:30:07they deny that they are theirs
00:30:09and aware of a possible appointment
00:30:13in front of that bar
00:30:13in front of that pizzeria
00:30:15Siesta with the girls
00:30:17with some girls
00:30:18they say maybe yes of course
00:30:19but of course
00:30:20but never with little girls
00:30:23from other testimonies
00:30:25it even emerges
00:30:26that Friday
00:30:27in front of the La Siesta pizzeria
00:30:29at least 8 or 9 young people come
00:30:32none of the others
00:30:34remember the circumstance
00:30:36of the meeting with the two girls
00:30:40any investigation at this point
00:30:42it seems to run aground
00:30:44while public opinion
00:30:45keep pressing
00:30:46and you know
00:30:47in such a case
00:30:48which had aroused
00:30:49so much of that emotion
00:30:50what weight could it have
00:30:52and what a reason for acceleration
00:30:54it could have been
00:30:54the shock of that public opinion
00:30:58suddenly though
00:30:58the summer passes
00:30:59and the first of September
00:31:01Salvatore La Rocca
00:31:02one of the two La Rocca brothers
00:31:04stop
00:31:05one of the young people arrested
00:31:06he makes a confession
00:31:08it even comes
00:31:09he is first arrested
00:31:10due to reticence
00:31:11and then he decides to confess
00:31:12as well as
00:31:13confess
00:31:14after three days of stay
00:31:16in the barracks
00:31:17of the Carabinieri of Naples
00:31:18another of the witnesses
00:31:20what is called
00:31:22Mastrillo
00:31:23Carmine Mastrillo
00:31:26September 3rd
00:31:28both La Rocca
00:31:29that Mastrillo
00:31:30so they end
00:31:31to make
00:31:32their confession
00:31:33and Anna Maria Chiariello
00:31:35which is here in front of me
00:31:36Good evening
00:31:36Anna Maria
00:31:36a colleague from Naples
00:31:38I would like to ask
00:31:39they finished making
00:31:40their confession
00:31:41and what did they confess?
00:31:43So
00:31:43Carmine Mastrillo
00:31:45he confessed
00:31:45more than a confession
00:31:47it's an indictment
00:31:48actually
00:31:49after a series
00:31:50of hesitations
00:31:51of leaps back
00:31:53of steps
00:31:54of attempts
00:31:56to say other things
00:31:58then declared false
00:31:59Carmine Mastrillo
00:32:01declares
00:32:01of having seen
00:32:02July 1st
00:32:03at 6.30 pm
00:32:04in the place
00:32:05where usually
00:32:06they met
00:32:07to see each other
00:32:09with friends
00:32:10which was a bit
00:32:10a meeting point
00:32:11of the district engraved in Ponticelli
00:32:13of having met
00:32:14Salvatore La Rocca
00:32:15Luigi Schiavo
00:32:16and Antonio Imperante
00:32:18Cyrus
00:32:19and confesses
00:32:21Cyrus Imperante
00:32:22initially
00:32:24he said it was Antonio
00:32:25there was this moment too
00:32:26of double confusion
00:32:30Salvatore La Rocca
00:32:31he also confesses
00:32:32that at 8.30pm
00:32:33of that evening
00:32:34of July 2nd
00:32:35of that tragic evening
00:32:37had received
00:32:38the confession
00:32:39by Salvatore La Rocca
00:32:41Luigi Schiavo
00:32:42Joseph La Rocca
00:32:44and Cyrus Imperante
00:32:45of having received
00:32:45the confession
00:32:46in the disco
00:32:46of the four
00:32:47that after
00:32:48on the way back
00:32:49from the tragic crime
00:32:51they had confessed to him
00:32:52this thing
00:32:52so
00:32:53if I understood correctly
00:32:55this Mastrillo
00:32:56becomes a species
00:32:57of super witness
00:32:58that is, he says
00:32:59I
00:32:59me personally
00:33:01I had
00:33:01from them
00:33:03from some of them
00:33:03from all three
00:33:04the confession
00:33:05of what they had done
00:33:06it's like this
00:33:07Yes
00:33:07it's like this
00:33:08it's like this
00:33:09and it's practically
00:33:10of all time
00:33:11he is the super witness
00:33:12of all time
00:33:13of this crime
00:33:13let's say
00:33:14from the design
00:33:15of the meeting
00:33:16because in a first phase
00:33:17he confesses to having known
00:33:19of the meeting
00:33:20in front of the pizzeria
00:33:21in front of the pizzeria
00:33:22then he confesses
00:33:23of having met
00:33:24precisely
00:33:25of having seen
00:33:25July 1st
00:33:26these people
00:33:27that even
00:33:27they had invited him
00:33:28together with another
00:33:30character
00:33:30that too
00:33:31enter into this story
00:33:32who is Vincenzo Esposito
00:33:34which was the first
00:33:34to bring out Mastrillo
00:33:36and then later
00:33:38the others
00:33:38then it arrives precisely
00:33:40the phase in which
00:33:41collects the confession
00:33:42of July 2nd
00:33:43September 4th
00:33:45what happens?
00:33:46September 4th
00:33:48it happens that
00:33:48from what it could have been
00:33:50the crime
00:33:51of the Ponticelli monster
00:33:52the three monsters are born
00:33:53the three monsters of Ponticelli
00:33:54but at this point
00:33:55but we must remember
00:33:56the other two too
00:33:57testimonies
00:33:58that of Vincenza Nocella
00:33:59and that of Salvatore Larocca
00:34:00especially that of Salvatore Larocca
00:34:02brother of Giuseppe Larocca
00:34:04after three days
00:34:06after three days
00:34:07where he always came
00:34:08he had been arrested
00:34:09due to reticence
00:34:10also Salvatore Larocca
00:34:11like all texts
00:34:12who enter into this story
00:34:14Salvatore Larocca
00:34:16confess that
00:34:17at 8pm that evening
00:34:18the brother
00:34:19with Luigi Schiavo
00:34:21and with that
00:34:22until a moment ago
00:34:23to become Cyrus Imperant
00:34:24he was a man
00:34:25with freckles
00:34:26and mustache
00:34:27reddish
00:34:28of hair
00:34:30they went to call him
00:34:31at the girlfriend's house
00:34:32to get help
00:34:33in the second phase
00:34:34of the targella
00:34:35so
00:34:36There are
00:34:36in this reconstruction
00:34:38which is done
00:34:39following the confessions
00:34:40cars appear
00:34:42can you tell us
00:34:42What kind of cars are they?
00:34:45Well, come on,
00:34:46the white 500
00:34:48by Giuseppe Larocca
00:34:50which is also a black wasp
00:34:51with which many
00:34:52they saw it
00:34:52at the disco
00:34:53and this white 500
00:34:55would have welcomed
00:34:56all the characters
00:34:58outside the disco
00:34:59in confession
00:35:00what they did to Mastrillo
00:35:02then there is the 127 Beige
00:35:04by Salvatore Larocca
00:35:05that would have been used
00:35:07from Salvatore
00:35:08to accompany
00:35:09to follow the young people
00:35:10when they called him home
00:35:11to help them
00:35:14to withdraw
00:35:15the little bodies
00:35:15of the little girls
00:35:16and then take them
00:35:17in the gully
00:35:17where they burned them
00:35:19Thank you
00:35:20Here you are
00:35:20according to the
00:35:21meanwhile he was coming
00:35:22in overlay
00:35:23the telephone number
00:35:24Here you are
00:35:25according to the
00:35:26reconstruction
00:35:26the confession
00:35:27of the suspects
00:35:28of the defendants
00:35:29at that moment
00:35:30that Anna Maria Chiariello
00:35:31he has us
00:35:32so effectively
00:35:34summary
00:35:34Here you are
00:35:35how they would have been
00:35:36the facts are out
00:35:37Here you are
00:35:48Here you are
00:36:03Thank you all.
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00:51:42Vignola.
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01:00:23There is foreign land there.
01:00:23another episode.
01:00:24This is for everyone.
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01:14:41to everyone.
01:14:43and to everyone.
01:15:17and to everyone.
01:16:11of the crime.
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