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La piccola #Kata è scomparsa due anni e mezzo fa dall'ex hotel Astor di Firenze, dove abitava con la famiglia: chi l'ha rapita e perché? Il punto sulla vicenda in questa puntata "Chi l'ha visto?". La mamma, in studio, chiede che si continui a indagare: "Temo che sia stata venduta e adottata illegalmente". E poi il caso #Cinturrino e l'audio in cui l'assistente capo parla di droga e prende i soldi dalla cover del cellulare di un ragazzo tunisino fermato. Cinturrino è stato indagato – insieme alla collega che ha firmato il verbale con lui - per falso, arresto illegale, calunnia, concussione e spaccio. Ma l'inchiesta si è allargata anche ad altri episodi e con lui sono stati indagati altri poliziotti. Si approfondirà con documenti inediti. Continua, inoltre, l'inchiesta sul cosiddetto "Chef Milza", l'uomo accusato di aver fatto uccidere la compagna per intascare il premio dell'assicurazione. Le indagini proseguono e si cerca di capire se ci siano altre vittime: in onda, testimonianze inedite. Infine, come sempre gli appelli dei familiari e le segnalazioni dei telespettatori.  #Chilhavisto #Chilhavisters #Chilhavintage #Sciarelli #FedericaSciarelli #Crime #TrueCrime #Delitto #Delitti #Cronaca #CronacaNera #CronacaItaliana #Scoparsi #Scomparso #Scomparsa #Mistero #Misteri #Omicidio #Feminicidio #Indagine #TV #Rapimento #Sequestro #SottrazioneDiMinore #Giallo #Indagine #Assassino #Killer #SerialKiller #Vittima #Colpevole #Innocente #Missing #Desaparecidos #Truffa #TruffaRomantica #TruffaAgliAnziani #TruffaMonetaria #Furto #Violenza #ViolenzaDomestica #Maltrattamenti #MaltrattamentiInFamiglia #Netflix #PinoRinaldi #Rinaldi #Gianloreto #GianloretoCarbone #DivinumCrime

Transcript

00:00:00Thank you all.

00:00:50Thank you all.

00:01:00She wanted to separate. This is how we want to introduce Valentina, when she was happy with her friends at the bachelorette party.

00:01:33Thank you all.

00:01:39It's absurd to say, but if she hadn't gotten married it would have been better, because she would be alive now. Because the problem is that she

00:01:45she wanted to separate, she ran away from this husband who had become jealous and she was killed.

00:01:52We are with our correspondent Veronica Briganti, who went to Bergamo to follow this latest murder of a woman.

00:01:59massacre, we always told those who saw it, we just can't take it anymore.

00:02:04Veronica, the line is yours.

00:02:07Yes, unfortunately, Federica, we are here to tell the story of the murder of a woman once again. It happened in this little house.

00:02:15here behind me, in an area of Bergamo very close to the stadium.

00:02:20So much so that Valentina worked in the bar at the stadium where Atalanta obviously plays and everyone knew her. Right now

00:02:30I spoke to a gentleman, a fan, who knew Valentina.

00:02:36who told us something very important. Lately she had been confiding a lot in another girl who worked

00:02:44there in the bar and said that she was afraid of her husband, that her husband had become more and more afraid lately

00:02:51violent and who wanted a divorce.

00:02:54And that was probably what somehow signed her death warrant. Because Valentina is

00:03:03She was killed by Vincenzo, Vincenzo Dongellini. Her husband, a 50-year-old man, is named.

00:03:12This morning when the emergency services arrived, 118, unfortunately there was nothing more that could be done. And to call

00:03:18the rescuers were Vincenzo's daughter.

00:03:23So probably he, as soon as he realized for a moment what he had done, the first thing he did

00:03:29and he calls his 22-year-old daughter, who is only his daughter, not Valentina's.

00:03:35And it's her, the girl who doesn't live in Bergamo, who raises the alarm.

00:03:39Help is arriving, there is nothing more that can be done and so the scientific police were called unfortunately for

00:03:46the reliefs.

00:03:48Listen Veronica, so the situation has degenerated recently, so much so that some neighbors have heard screams coming from...

00:03:58from this couple. Let's listen to them together.

00:04:04Two, three nights ago, my wife was at 4, 5 in the morning, she says wake up because I hear screams,

00:04:11there's a lady who says leave me alone.

00:04:15I often heard her screaming, I thought she had children.

00:04:21So, what's the problem? It's always the same: possession.

00:04:26This woman decides to separate, she has had a new partner for only a month and with this new one,

00:04:33companion also goes to the police because he is becoming very violent.

00:04:38These are interviews taken on the spot by our colleagues at TGR Lombardia and we hear what he tells us because naturally

00:04:49he is not filmed in the face.

00:04:51But he tells us something absurd, that he also gets angry because she joined the gym.

00:04:59Was it a very tense relationship at home?

00:05:01At home yes, I told him last night too, I wrote a message, go to your friend who is

00:05:05friend here in Seriate, she didn't want to listen to me.

00:05:10Why hadn't she left home? Why hadn't she left?

00:05:14Because he didn't threaten them.

00:05:16Oh, he says if you go away I'll do it to you. But why was there this tense relationship? He was jealous.

00:05:21He was very jealous when I understood. The problem was that she had a rather heavy discussion, she started

00:05:31to threaten her, she's already a slut, speaking clearly.

00:05:35She got pissed because she joined the gym, guys, for a gym membership.

00:05:40God's pig.

00:05:41For a gym membership.

00:05:42So he didn't want her to join the gym?

00:05:44No, she told him yes, how did she go about signing up, she started threatening herself. When did that happen?

00:05:49Before February.

00:05:50I knew him because I worked there in Baretti, I'm a Tarantino fan, going to Baretto.

00:05:55Ah, the Baretto in the stadium?

00:05:56Then you were just friends?

00:05:58No, no, it's been a month and a half frequently when.

00:06:01He came to my house, he just slept.

00:06:03But were they married?

00:06:04Yes, but they were separating us.

00:06:05They were breaking up.

00:06:07Is she in the complaint?

00:06:08She went to Calabini on Saturday morning at least to San Bartolomeo, she told him to file a complaint.

00:06:12She didn't want to do it, I can keep her calm, so much here, so much there.

00:06:16Hadn't he hit her?

00:06:18He put his hands on him twice.

00:06:20I finished it with two scratches here, I said fuck, enough, it's not your house.

00:06:24On Saturday morning you went to the Menno barracks to ask for information.

00:06:27But didn't she tell Baretti?

00:06:27I know Baretti and Menno, I said if this happens, this.

00:06:31What do you have to do?

00:06:33Go to Bergamo, go and file a report.

00:06:35To file a complaint, of course.

00:06:35We'll file the complaint, wait another week, then see if it goes ahead, I'll leave the house and we'll go and give it up.

00:06:40Certain.

00:06:41But did he know she was with you now?

00:06:43No.

00:06:45That is, he knew she was in love with someone else, which was me.

00:06:50There was no time, she would have gone to report him next week, but she didn't have time.

00:06:56What he does, really, should make us think, but what happens in these families.

00:07:01Besides, you can see everything online, right?

00:07:03We saw these pictures, the two of them looking at the stars and they put this video online.

00:07:34And then everything degenerates due to possession.

00:07:39By the way, Veronica, they just got married, but in reality they were together for many years, right?

00:07:48Yes, they were together for ten years, their social pages tell of such an idyllic, perfect love, made of

00:07:58holidays, by the sea.

00:08:00But it wasn't like that.

00:08:02They got married in May 2025, so only ten months ago.

00:08:08And it seems, from the testimonies that have been collected, that the situation really degenerated after the wedding, in short.

00:08:17And so until this morning, when evidently something happened and the situation worsened,

00:08:28perhaps precisely because of Valentina's decision to sign up at the gym, a right thing, a legitimate thing,

00:08:37who evidently took it badly with this husband who she wanted to leave anyway,

00:08:44as she had confided to some people, in other words to some friends.

00:08:50Listen Veronica, by the way, maybe our director can send us videos of her being pushed on high heels,

00:08:58with the wedding dress, I tell you, that is the absurd thing, which seems like love, but apparently it isn't

00:09:07it is, it becomes possession.

00:09:08We heard the new partner say that he put his hands around her neck twice,

00:09:13so much so that she had to go to the police to ask for advice.

00:09:18Look, it's not very easy to file a complaint, to report your husband,

00:09:24so she gave herself a week's time.

00:09:27At first it was said that he attempted suicide, what was understood is that he did it

00:09:33stab in the back,

00:09:36really cowardly, but he attempted suicide and instead injured himself by stabbing her.

00:09:42Yes, look Federica hit her in the back and on the head and at the beginning this morning we were talking about

00:09:50an attempted suicide by the man,

00:09:53a suicide that however did not succeed because the man was arrested and taken to the Giovanni XXIII hospital here

00:10:01in Bergamo.

00:10:02Instead, from what emerges it would seem that in reality the wounds that were found on his hands

00:10:09They are probably the consequence of the blows with the knife that he inflicted on Valentina until he killed her,

00:10:19so we certainly won't be talking about attempted suicide but it's unfortunately a side effect of the murder he committed

00:10:32clerk.

00:10:33In fact, as I told you, he is now under arrest and under guard at the Giovanni XXIII hospital here in Bergamo.

00:10:41No, we say these things because at the beginning it is always said that there were no disagreements in the couple,

00:10:49then instead it always turns out that there is a quasi-complaint in progress, in fact she represented herself to the

00:10:55Carabinieri,

00:10:56so maybe you don't notice it from the outside, sometimes you think of a happy family but then you

00:11:04always discovers that there is a separation going on,

00:11:07these women who want to separate and who are killed by their husbands.

00:11:12We remain with our Veronica Briganti if anyone wants to add something,

00:11:17also the girl, the daughter of this man who was warned by her father who had stabbed the woman who

00:11:25he had married.

00:11:26We are here to try to understand with you precisely what is incomprehensible, this massacre.

00:11:34So for now I thank Veronica Briganti and I'll show you Giuseppe's photograph,

00:11:41Look, we say we have to do something immediately about what happened.

00:11:44He disappeared just today from Bernalda, we are in the province of Matera and so he lives there with his daughters Lucia

00:11:52and Marina.

00:11:53Maria left home with her daughter Lucia to go to the countryside, in the Titolo district where she owns a house

00:12:01and some animals.

00:12:02Once Giuseppe arrived, he went to the chicken coop to look after his chickens.

00:12:08Lucia went to do some things, some chores at home, then she joined him, but he didn't go to the Chicken Coop.

00:12:15there is.

00:12:16I don't know if we can show the searches because the searches for Mr. Giuseppe Partipilo started immediately.

00:12:23They looked for him everywhere because Lucia immediately raised the alarm.

00:12:29The Carabinieri and the Civil Protection of Bernalda are looking for him and his family is obviously very worried.

00:12:38So Giuseppe must be found and brought home as soon as possible.

00:12:45So, before moving on to another disappearance, I also want to give you some good news.

00:12:52It's a story with a happy ending.

00:12:53Last week we told you about a young woman who travels with her cat and who disappeared.

00:12:59She had certainly passed through Milan.

00:13:03We showed you these pictures of her carrying her cat in her backpack.

00:13:08Here it is.

00:13:09So, we thought she was there in Milan and instead it is possible that she is this woman that you see now in these

00:13:17you imagine that he can't walk.

00:13:20Look, there's a cat in the backpack.

00:13:22Report by Marina Borrometi and Luca Leurini.

00:13:32On the night between March 11th and 12th this girl showed up at the doorbell.

00:13:40At which point, I let her go up and the moment she arrived I realized that c

00:13:45'something was wrong.

00:13:47How did it appear to you?

00:13:50Shocked, disoriented, but also in a lot of pain.

00:13:53She only had her passport with her, a British passport and nothing else.

00:13:58So if not a backpack and then a bag and while he was talking a cat fell.

00:14:06So at that point, well, with my big super I told him for a moment to keep the cat under

00:14:12check

00:14:12because, after all, being a structure there could be someone allergic.

00:14:18A girl disappeared with her cat from France.

00:14:21Our mother had contacted us asking us to make an appeal.

00:14:25She carries it in her backpack and with this cat she arrived in Milan.

00:14:31The last sighting was in Milan, but the day after the episode we received a report.

00:14:52And he really was in Rome.

00:14:54A few hours after our appeal, here she is, appearing in the lobby of this hotel, not far from Termini station.

00:15:00It's 1:20 in the morning.

00:15:03Peter, the owner of the hotel, is still awake.

00:15:06And while he's registering the passport, here comes the cat peeking out of the bag.

00:15:11He also showed you during the episode why it was an element that could lead us to her.

00:15:17And now, here it is.

00:15:19Explore the environment, while the girl calls for help.

00:15:22She said she just wanted to go to sleep, but I couldn't have let her in like that.

00:15:26So the girl, well, very polite, said yes, please, contact the police.

00:15:31At that point I called the emergency number.

00:15:35He responded to the State Police.

00:15:38As they were arriving I realized why she sat in the center of the hall.

00:15:42On the ground?

00:15:43On the ground, exactly.

00:15:45Because it was very painful.

00:15:46So I asked him if he wanted to sit down, you know, in a little armchair, you know, that we have here in the holla.

00:15:53And she told me she didn't want to even dirty the armchair.

00:15:57I said there was no problem.

00:15:58I put a towel on her.

00:16:00I said, sit down, please, sit here, make yourself comfortable.

00:16:02Anyway, let's wait a moment to solve it.

00:16:04As best I could, I gave her some water, something, in short, a minimum of welcome while waiting for the arrival of the

00:16:10rescue.

00:16:11Then, as she got up from the ground, she couldn't walk or stand on her own two feet.

00:16:18So he basically crawled to this little chair.

00:16:22At that point I realized that the intervention of the hospital staff was also necessary, therefore of the ambulance, of the emergency department.

00:16:28rescue.

00:16:29She's a tired girl. She's been away from home for nine days.

00:16:34He had this terrible pain in his legs.

00:16:36But then the doctors realized that it was actually because nothing was broken.

00:16:41It was just because she was very tired and had been walking a lot.

00:16:45The police arrive. The family contacts the hotel.

00:16:49The girl with the cat is finally safe.

00:16:52She has remained with us since then.

00:16:54And the kitten?

00:16:55The kitten too. We got a special litter box so he can stay calm, too.

00:17:01While we are interviewing the hotelier, the girl's father is flying from Morocco, where he is a lawyer,

00:17:07towards Rome, to come and take it back.

00:17:10We welcome him at the airport, in Fiumicino.

00:17:12Welcome to!

00:17:15In the car he tells us how difficult it was to find his daughter.

00:17:20She, a British citizen, had disappeared from Nîmes, in southern France.

00:17:25The French police had also issued an appeal on social media.

00:17:29Then someone sees her in Milan.

00:17:32That's why we contacted your program.

00:17:35Who saw it?

00:17:36Yes, you saw it, that it's in a very good, really, very good...

00:17:39The father contacted us through an international law lawyer who works in Italy, Cautar Badrane.

00:17:45We call the roll and we receive a report from a taxi driver from Milan who says he saw her nearby

00:17:51of the Groane Park, Sunday.

00:17:52I saw this girl who came out of a hedge and was basically waving her hands at me asking for help, asking me

00:18:00if I was available to take her where I needed to take her.

00:18:04I stopped.

00:18:05By the way, I'm also an animal rights activist, so I saw that he had a small leash in his hand.

00:18:11And then I realized he was in big trouble.

00:18:14He tells me, I have to go to the English embassy and I told him, but the embassy isn't there

00:18:21Milan, it's in Rome.

00:18:22That is, if you want, I can take it to the English consulate in Milan, which is behind Piazza della Scala.

00:18:28But it's Sunday, the consulate is closed.

00:18:31At that point the taxi driver, seeing her in difficulty, seeks help and calls the police.

00:18:37The policeman took me aside and said, look, I'll let you go,

00:18:43but we have to keep it for her.

00:18:45For the simple reason that there is most likely a complaint against her, a missing person report.

00:18:53The taxi driver leaves.

00:18:55The girl tells the police that she wants to continue her journey alone.

00:19:00Medical checks are also carried out which do not reveal any critical issues.

00:19:04Since then we don't know where she has been.

00:19:07What is certain is that four days later, the girl with the cat shows up at this hotel in

00:19:12Rome,

00:19:13tired to the point of being unable to stand.

00:19:15But now is the time for relief.

00:19:18Dad thanks everyone.

00:19:21You were fantastic, because in 24 hours you put together an appeal and broadcast it live.

00:19:28You were very good.

00:19:30And it's impressive, because it's not easy.

00:19:36All I can say to thank you will never be enough to convey what you have done.

00:19:42And the innkeeper was a gentleman too, fantastic.

00:19:46And I think it's also a reflection of how Italian society is in general.

00:19:52And Peter, the innkeeper, was happy to help.

00:19:56I'm happy that she came here and that I had the opportunity to welcome her.

00:20:03I simply behaved as I would have liked someone else to behave,

00:20:08precisely with my sister or with any person, girl, boy, whatever, in short,

00:20:14without worrying and intervening immediately.

00:20:20Let's take dad to the hotel to see how the girl is.

00:20:24We wait downstairs, but at the end of the evening here's a surprise.

00:20:27And she, the girl with the cat.

00:20:29Thanks to everyone's kindness, including you.

00:20:32I'm fine now, I had something to drink and eat.

00:20:35And my kitten is fine too.

00:20:37Take care of yourself, we tell her.

00:20:39We leave her in the embrace of her father, finally relieved.

00:20:52An emergency has now arrived.

00:20:54We should be on the phone with Monica,

00:20:57who is the sister-in-law of Graziella Moresca, who passed away today.

00:21:02Monica, can you hear me?

00:21:04Yes, yes, I feel it, I feel it.

00:21:06Listen, were you immediately alarmed?

00:21:09She left today at 2pm, but the situation is worrying, Monica?

00:21:14Yes, we are worried because she was in a moment of crying

00:21:20he said some things that...

00:21:22That made you worry.

00:21:24Listen, Monica, let's say we're in Milan, Rogoredo.

00:21:28We are in Milan, Rogoredo, yes.

00:21:29Milan, Rogoredo, and then she works as she said in the canteen in the nursery school,

00:21:37so he has a job, right?

00:21:39Yes, of course, of course, yes, yes.

00:21:41Monica, did she go to work and never come home?

00:21:44No, no, she went, she went to her workplace and when she finished her shift she didn't

00:21:51she no longer returned home.

00:21:54So, among other things, Alessandra Canonico, who you spoke to, told me that she had some heavy losses,

00:21:59in short, these are also dark times for her.

00:22:03Would you like to make an appeal not only to our viewers, but also to Mrs. Graziella?

00:22:12Sure, gladly. Now, wait a minute, because look, it was a real...

00:22:19Thanks, can you hear me?

00:22:22We are all waiting for you at home, whatever happened, things get over,

00:22:28Family is what matters in life and we will always be there.

00:22:33And we're all worried.

00:22:37So, the phone is off, so I'm telling our viewers, it's unreachable.

00:22:43Consider that he has a black down jacket with a hood, a black tracksuit, and white shoes with little colored hearts.

00:22:52So, if you happen to see Graziella it's a dark moment, but who doesn't have one?

00:22:57So let's try to bring her home.

00:23:01Monica, we'll talk later if there are any reports.

00:23:05Thank you, thank you all from the bottom of my heart, truly, on behalf of the whole family.

00:23:09It's a duty.

00:23:10Today at 2pm Milan, rogurito.

00:23:13Let's help Graziella get home.

00:23:16Well, we'll get back to you later if there are any reports.

00:23:21And I connect with our Giuseppe Pizzo, who is with a very sweet mother, Elisa,

00:23:28who says bring it back to me home.

00:23:32So, Giuseppe, first of all he calls him Massimo, we call him Massimiliano, but Massimo is the same thing,

00:23:39he's this worker, a chef, but basically we remember him all because he put uncle Peppe in the freezer,

00:23:49but in reality Uncle Peppe is this sourdough starter that is 15 years old.

00:23:56So, I see that... you tell us something in a minute and then we'll send the service, Giuseppe, with the lady

00:24:04Elisa.

00:24:06Yes, so, I am in Calvisi, let's remember, Gioia Sannitica, a hamlet of Gioia Sannitica,

00:24:13so 40 kilometers from Caserta, which is important, right Elisa?

00:24:16Also because later we will make a special appeal on someone, maybe someone who gave us a lift, we don't know,

00:24:23that's what you think.

00:24:25Here, Federica, in this house where before there was always the smell of cooking, sweets, gnocchi, sauce, etc.,

00:24:31and it continues to exist, because anyway...

00:24:33The scent, yes, yes.

00:24:34The perfume.

00:24:35Today he even left us zeppole.

00:24:37Yes, it's true, it's true, that's what Massimo always did to his father.

00:24:43So keep waiting for him something...

00:24:47These mothers are very sweet, Giuseppe.

00:24:49Me, but then, Elisa, we'll show you the service that Giuseppe Pizzo made

00:24:55with Alessandra Canonico and then we'll be back with you again.

00:24:59We see.

00:25:04He hid once as a child, right?

00:25:07Eh, he hid.

00:25:07Tell me this thing, tell me where.

00:25:11Below.

00:25:13Because I was at home, he broke the radio, he says,

00:25:17and now mom and dad are coming, but one of them is still thinking about it,

00:25:23what was he doing there.

00:25:25And what did he do?

00:25:27He helped himself to hide.

00:25:29And where?

00:25:30Inside the tomatoes.

00:25:32Nearby?

00:25:33Ah, ah.

00:25:34And now there aren't any more.

00:25:38Massimiliano is no longer a child now

00:25:41and he didn't hide behind the tomatoes

00:25:43after having done something naughty.

00:25:45Massimiliano has disappeared.

00:25:48We are in Calvisi, a hamlet of Gioia Sennitica

00:25:51in the province of Caserta.

00:25:54It's hard for a mother not to know what happened to her child.

00:26:19Elisa waits all day for Massimiliano to return.

00:26:23When he can't stand staying at home anymore,

00:26:25he goes to look for him in the streets of the village.

00:26:35He looks for it everywhere,

00:26:37in uninhabited houses

00:26:38or in the places that Massimiliano frequented as a child.

00:26:49What happened to Maximilian?

00:26:5153 years of experience as a chef.

00:26:54This is a living stone.

00:26:56You have to work it well.

00:26:58A dream he has always nurtured.

00:27:00He judged himself in the kitchen,

00:27:03I was outside

00:27:04and it made everything more for me.

00:27:07She made sweets,

00:27:09to eat,

00:27:10everything because it's so small

00:27:11he always said

00:27:13I want to be a cook.

00:27:14The cook?

00:27:15The chef?

00:27:15And then the chef liked the chef.

00:27:19Why is he so passionate about cooking?

00:27:22Because we liked it as kids.

00:27:27Massimo, what do you want to do?

00:27:29The little cook.

00:27:32And so it was.

00:27:33When he grows up, Massimiliano

00:27:35he worked in very important restaurants

00:27:37around the world.

00:27:38And here he worked everywhere.

00:27:41In Rome, in Como,

00:27:44everywhere.

00:27:46Here he is Massimiliano

00:27:47while preparing her desserts.

00:27:52Massimiliano has a secret.

00:27:54Its sourdough starter

00:27:55which is now 15 years old.

00:27:58So much so that he calls him by name.

00:28:00He called him something special.

00:28:02Pepper.

00:28:04Pepper.

00:28:05And they would love us without the nails there

00:28:06he didn't do anything.

00:28:08He did everything for us.

00:28:10Donuts, cookies,

00:28:13everything, everything, everything.

00:28:14When I've told you everything and that's it.

00:28:17All.

00:28:17But how does it work?

00:28:18Let's tell it to those who don't know.

00:28:19What is sourdough starter?

00:28:20I mean, how long had he been doing this?

00:28:22I don't know, for example.

00:28:23Every two or three days

00:28:24he renewed it.

00:28:27How did I see you to make you understand?

00:28:28Did he renew it?

00:28:29Did he put flour in it?

00:28:30Eh, eh, eh.

00:28:31And then he put it back in place

00:28:33and made it grow.

00:28:35And that one grows?

00:28:36Eh, eh.

00:28:36And then it's always ready.

00:28:40Massimiliano never separated from Peppe,

00:28:42its sourdough starter.

00:28:43And before disappearing,

00:28:45he puts it in the freezer.

00:28:47All this is rising here

00:28:49and everything that is soft inside is Romanized.

00:28:52And then you put the flour in,

00:28:54the mass and come back.

00:28:56Before disappearing,

00:28:57he takes care of preserving as best as possible

00:28:59the yeast he is so fond of.

00:29:02It's February 15th.

00:29:04Elisa wakes up around nine in the morning

00:29:06and doesn't find his son at home.

00:29:09On the 15th in the morning

00:29:10I went downstairs

00:29:12and then

00:29:15I was there for an hour

00:29:19less than an hour

00:29:21and I went upstairs.

00:29:24I called Massimo

00:29:26Massimo, Massimo, Massimo wasn't there.

00:29:28I entered the room

00:29:31Massimo wasn't there.

00:29:33Did you see if he left something behind?

00:29:34Clothes, watch, everything?

00:29:36Yes, everything.

00:29:37The glasses,

00:29:39the medicines he was taking,

00:29:43the bracelets,

00:29:44everything, everything, everything.

00:29:45I was sent home.

00:29:46And cell phone, documents?

00:29:48Oh, yes, yes.

00:29:49The police took him.

00:29:51Did he leave everything, everything at home?

00:29:52Everything, everything.

00:29:54Maximilian

00:29:54he left his clothes on the chair

00:29:56and he came out in his pajamas.

00:29:58Where did he go?

00:29:59In this tiny country

00:30:01of 300 souls

00:30:02no one sees him that morning.

00:30:05Where did he go?

00:30:08Nothing?

00:30:10They searched for it for a long time, right?

00:30:12Yes, all month.

00:30:15The last time Elisa

00:30:16he spoke to his son

00:30:17it was the day

00:30:19before disappearing.

00:30:20I said, Massimo,

00:30:21I'm going to the countryside,

00:30:23I'm going to collect

00:30:25some vegetables.

00:30:27I said,

00:30:28you stay at home.

00:30:29And so we did.

00:30:32And he made me too

00:30:33the apple pie.

00:30:36And he made the juice

00:30:37because Sunday

00:30:38I had to make gnocchi.

00:30:41Did he make you apple pie?

00:30:42Yes, the apple pie,

00:30:43the sauce,

00:30:45everything, everything prepared.

00:30:48Massimiliano is worried

00:30:49to prepare the sauce

00:30:50for Sunday.

00:30:51He's going to bed

00:30:52and then disappears.

00:30:55Here we are in a mountainous area

00:30:57and that day

00:30:58it was very cold.

00:31:00Where could he have gone?

00:31:02Let's try to ask in the village

00:31:03some more information.

00:31:05I saw him two days ago

00:31:06who came to me

00:31:07in the workshop

00:31:08and we did some work.

00:31:10Therefore

00:31:10Anyway

00:31:12Calm.

00:31:13Anything special you noticed?

00:31:15And I don't.

00:31:16Unfortunately

00:31:18it is not clear

00:31:19this thing.

00:31:21It can't be explained.

00:31:23A boy

00:31:23more and more

00:31:24a family

00:31:25how good

00:31:25and that did not exist.

00:31:27Very good, very good.

00:31:28Don't you know he was a chef?

00:31:29Isn't she a chef?

00:31:30I didn't know he was a chef.

00:31:33Sweet,

00:31:34he was really preparing

00:31:35to eat special.

00:31:36He's a spectacular person.

00:31:37and let's hope

00:31:39to find her again

00:31:40as soon as possible

00:31:40because really

00:31:41it's a pain

00:31:43above all

00:31:44the mother

00:31:46but then

00:31:47he is a person

00:31:47spectacular.

00:31:48Excellent

00:31:49in the kitchen,

00:31:50he made us taste

00:31:51lots of sweets,

00:31:52many...

00:31:53What dessert did he make you taste?

00:31:54Of everything.

00:31:55The last dessert

00:31:56he brought me

00:31:56it was the panettone

00:31:57at Christmas.

00:31:58Him every Christmas,

00:31:59every Easter

00:32:00how I taste it

00:32:01you do...

00:32:02Truly

00:32:03for mom,

00:32:04for the sister,

00:32:05for the brothers

00:32:06it's a pain

00:32:08atrocious

00:32:08but for everyone

00:32:09us too

00:32:10what do we say?

00:32:11we are not

00:32:11of family members

00:32:12but

00:32:14it hurts too much.

00:32:15In the village

00:32:16everyone knows it

00:32:17and everyone

00:32:18they love him.

00:32:20With Claudio,

00:32:21the brother-in-law,

00:32:22we searched

00:32:22in the ruined houses.

00:32:26He came often

00:32:27to walk

00:32:28precisely in these areas?

00:32:29Yes, yes, yes.

00:32:31Out of habit

00:32:32in summer

00:32:33he took the walk like this.

00:32:36We keep searching

00:32:37and we meet Natalina,

00:32:39a lady

00:32:40that passes

00:32:40much of his time

00:32:41on the doorstep.

00:32:43Natalina,

00:32:43how are you?

00:32:44She saw Massimiliano

00:32:46the day before

00:32:47of the disappearance.

00:32:49I'm sitting here

00:32:50and he passed by here

00:32:52and he told me

00:32:53Good morning

00:32:54and continued.

00:32:56But how was he?

00:32:57Do I remind you?

00:32:58Did he have something in his hand?

00:32:59He was carrying a little book

00:33:00a little book like this

00:33:02and he was reading.

00:33:05He told me

00:33:06Good morning

00:33:06you answer us

00:33:07Good morning

00:33:08and here

00:33:09continued

00:33:10and it passed

00:33:10the way.

00:33:12Then

00:33:13he made me

00:33:13in a cup

00:33:14in Romur

00:33:14to see

00:33:15if you had it in the cup

00:33:16and we continued below.

00:33:18Meanwhile

00:33:19who knows by doing it

00:33:20he kissed me

00:33:20who knows

00:33:21and continued

00:33:22to go down below.

00:33:23So he went

00:33:24towards home

00:33:24shall we say?

00:33:26Right here.

00:33:27Natalina then

00:33:28he met

00:33:29Maximilian

00:33:29on this road

00:33:30and adds

00:33:31even a particular

00:33:32curious.

00:33:33Always true

00:33:34the lights on.

00:33:35Who knows?

00:33:37Is there anyone?

00:33:37with a little light

00:33:38the light?

00:33:39With the lights

00:33:40stuck together.

00:33:41But where are you?

00:33:42Exactly where?

00:33:42From near here

00:33:43where are the hairs?

00:33:44Come to me.

00:33:45Every evening

00:33:46he sees something

00:33:47under a tree

00:33:48not far from home.

00:33:50No, you say he sees

00:33:51the lights on in the evening.

00:33:52But they are lights

00:33:53of a battery?

00:33:54It's a pile,

00:33:54lights of...

00:33:55Meaning what,

00:33:55it seems like someone who is there

00:33:56a battery in hand.

00:33:56It's that there's a battery in hand.

00:33:59Let's go check it out

00:33:59the place

00:34:00that Natalina

00:34:00he reported it to us.

00:34:12By Massimiliano

00:34:13there is no trace.

00:34:15Where is Massimiliano?

00:34:17Some of you

00:34:18did you see it?

00:34:19Look carefully

00:34:20his photo.

00:34:21It could be found

00:34:22in a moment

00:34:23of fragility

00:34:24and needs

00:34:25for your help.

00:34:26You can see it

00:34:27from my son

00:34:28bring it to me.

00:34:29I look forward to it

00:34:31but everyone

00:34:32we are waiting for you.

00:34:34Everyone, everyone.

00:34:37Because she was very good

00:34:39At that time

00:34:39the people

00:34:40they loved him.

00:34:42Maximum,

00:34:43come back

00:34:43what a mother

00:34:44is waiting for you.

00:34:47There is lard,

00:34:49there is lard.

00:35:06At that time,

00:35:06if we frame

00:35:07Mrs. Elisa,

00:35:08Joseph Pizzo

00:35:09he told us

00:35:09what he wants to do

00:35:10a special appeal.

00:35:13We want to do it right away

00:35:14or immediately after

00:35:15the first break?

00:35:17Let's do it right away,

00:35:18Elisa.

00:35:19What did you mean?

00:35:19to viewers?

00:35:21I want Massimo to come back

00:35:27as soon as possible.

00:35:30Federica,

00:35:30At that time,

00:35:31rightly the mother says

00:35:32it's not that someone

00:35:33that day

00:35:34he saw it

00:35:35on the street

00:35:36he uploaded it

00:35:37in the car

00:35:37for a ride

00:35:38and brought it

00:35:39somewhere

00:35:39so let's remember it

00:35:41we are in Calvisi

00:35:42a fraction

00:35:43of Gioia Sannitica

00:35:4440 km

00:35:45from Caserta

00:35:45and that day

00:35:46he was wearing

00:35:47a pair of pajamas

00:35:48which could seem

00:35:49even a tracksuit

00:35:50light blue

00:35:51with shoes

00:35:54gray

00:35:54gray color

00:35:55if someone

00:35:56he gave a lift

00:35:57to a man

00:35:58we remember Calvisi

00:35:59you can contact

00:35:59to us

00:36:00and let us know

00:36:01then let's hope

00:36:02that this appeal

00:36:03go to the door

00:36:04let it come to fruition

00:36:06and now we have to

00:36:08give this break

00:36:09then after of course

00:36:10we will check

00:36:11all reports

00:36:12but let's try

00:36:13to bring home

00:36:14this son

00:36:15to this lady Elisa

00:36:16that is really desperate

00:36:18see you soon

00:36:19after this short break

00:36:40she's just a little girl

00:36:42and she disappeared

00:36:42and none of us

00:36:43must be forgotten

00:36:45by Kate

00:36:45of the little Cataleia

00:36:47disappeared from Florence

00:36:48we invited mom

00:36:49Catherine

00:36:50Thank you for being here with us

00:36:51you are very young

00:36:53you look like you too

00:36:54a little girl

00:36:55Good evening

00:36:55you survive

00:36:56when it disappears

00:36:58his own daughter

00:36:59we move on

00:37:00somehow

00:37:01it's hard

00:37:02yes yes

00:37:03above all

00:37:04we must have the strength

00:37:06and courage

00:37:07to keep fighting

00:37:08until you find the truth

00:37:11keep fighting

00:37:12you said two beautiful words

00:37:14to fight

00:37:14keep fighting

00:37:15At that time

00:37:15us with Filomena Rorro

00:37:17and Valentina Pellegrino

00:37:18let's go there

00:37:19and let's go there

00:37:20right with Caterina

00:37:20why do you think

00:37:21he goes every day

00:37:22in that hotel

00:37:23in that hotel

00:37:24that was busy

00:37:25where these families lived

00:37:27and so

00:37:29because who knows

00:37:30something

00:37:30you may have missed it

00:37:32and something

00:37:33it can come back to you

00:37:34in mind

00:37:34everything to search for

00:37:36little Cater

00:37:59I always pass by here

00:38:02because until today

00:38:04I didn't get an answer

00:38:06maybe thinking

00:38:08in this bad place

00:38:12passing by

00:38:13seeing

00:38:13I can maybe

00:38:14remember something

00:38:16or come to mind

00:38:17something

00:38:18that not

00:38:19that I didn't remember

00:38:21which in short

00:38:23that escaped me

00:38:24in the moment

00:38:24with hope

00:38:26to be able to find again

00:38:28the truth

00:38:29Catherine

00:38:30can't forget

00:38:31from this building

00:38:32she disappeared

00:38:33his daughter

00:38:34you all remember it

00:38:35the little girl

00:38:36with big black eyes

00:38:37and a sweet smile

00:38:38two and a half years ago

00:38:40she disappeared

00:38:40from that

00:38:41that then

00:38:41it was his home

00:38:44the former hotel

00:38:45Astor

00:38:46of Florence

00:38:46a hotel

00:38:47illegally occupied

00:38:49where he lived

00:38:50with his family

00:38:51since then

00:38:52just one question

00:38:53where is Cata?

00:38:56and I love it

00:38:57I ask you a lot

00:39:00I ask you a lot

00:39:01I don't force you

00:39:03I don't force you

00:39:04said first leni

00:39:06said first leni

00:39:07you were received

00:39:09in the prosecutor's office

00:39:09Meaning what

00:39:10a new prosecutor

00:39:11a woman

00:39:12what did he tell you?

00:39:14he told me

00:39:14that there is no concrete evidence

00:39:16but they will continue

00:39:17if maybe there are any

00:39:18reports

00:39:18trial

00:39:19they will continue

00:39:20to search for them

00:39:21but

00:39:21I

00:39:22what I want to say

00:39:23it's that I want to know

00:39:24the truth

00:39:24and my daughter

00:39:25I want to find again

00:39:26my daughter

00:39:27what we recorded

00:39:28it is in fact

00:39:29an absence

00:39:31of concrete elements

00:39:34by

00:39:34of the prosecution

00:39:36in these years

00:39:36of investigation

00:39:37Therefore

00:39:37we perceived

00:39:39clear

00:39:40the message

00:39:41let's go

00:39:41towards an archiving

00:39:42of the procedure

00:39:43archiving

00:39:44which obviously

00:39:45for us

00:39:46it is not

00:39:46it is not acceptable

00:39:47Already

00:39:48it is unacceptable

00:39:49who took it away

00:39:50the little girl

00:39:51to his family

00:39:52Why

00:39:53of Kata

00:39:54we talk less and less

00:39:55but when it disappears

00:39:56a child

00:39:57we all lose

00:39:58we do not forget

00:40:00let's go back to that June 10th

00:40:06she goes out with the children

00:40:08she goes out with the children

00:40:10she comes back

00:40:11Why

00:40:11my son

00:40:13he sends them

00:40:13to return

00:40:16telling her

00:40:16I'll bring you some candy

00:40:18not to go with them

00:40:19to play

00:40:19because since

00:40:20she was little

00:40:21and all big

00:40:21so he's your son

00:40:22what does he say?

00:40:23Kata

00:40:23you are small

00:40:24you can't come with us

00:40:25No

00:40:26Yes

00:40:26he tells him

00:40:27to return

00:40:29and she comes back

00:40:31she comes back

00:40:33And

00:40:33after which

00:40:34she sees herself

00:40:35in the camera

00:40:36that she goes up

00:40:37but where did he want to go?

00:40:38she apologizes

00:40:39she wanted to go

00:40:39to

00:40:41call her his little friend

00:40:44in the courtyard

00:40:45the mother tells

00:40:46some people

00:40:47sitting on a bench

00:40:48they ask Kata

00:40:49where he's going

00:40:51It's 3.12pm

00:40:52the little girl

00:40:54he stops for a moment

00:40:55probably answers

00:40:56I'm going up

00:40:59after two minutes

00:41:01it goes down again

00:41:02the camera

00:41:03follow the little girl

00:41:04as it goes down

00:41:05up to the ground floor

00:41:06enter the corridor

00:41:08of the hotel

00:41:08and disappears

00:41:09where is Kata going?

00:41:11what's happening

00:41:12in that corridor

00:41:13a dark place

00:41:14many rooms

00:41:16and people

00:41:16who lived there

00:41:17it's the last image

00:41:19that Katerina

00:41:19sees his daughter

00:41:21but that's not all

00:41:22he also sees something else

00:41:24we only have

00:41:26a fragment

00:41:26while Katerina

00:41:28he saw

00:41:28the entire sequence

00:41:32after she

00:41:34take this path

00:41:35a few minutes

00:41:37second

00:41:37On the contrary

00:41:38one or two minutes

00:41:40they go down

00:41:41two men

00:41:42two men

00:41:43that one of them

00:41:44I recognized them

00:41:45Why

00:41:45he lived in there

00:41:46and the other

00:41:47I do not know

00:41:48these two men

00:41:49they take the same route

00:41:50they go down

00:41:51they enter

00:41:52and they go into the corridor

00:41:54from that point

00:41:55that my daughter

00:41:56it doesn't come out anymore

00:41:58and from there

00:41:59it can be said

00:41:59that from that moment on

00:42:00she disappeared

00:42:01she disappeared

00:42:02and these men

00:42:03they go out

00:42:04after how long?

00:42:06more than five minutes

00:42:07let's say ten

00:42:08Also

00:42:08they go out

00:42:10and they put themselves here

00:42:12on the dock

00:42:14we are always inside

00:42:15of the building

00:42:17so inside

00:42:18here in the courtyard

00:42:19there was a platform

00:42:20so you see them

00:42:21sitting there

00:42:23Yes

00:42:23I see them

00:42:25Why

00:42:25after when I

00:42:27I do the research

00:42:28of my son

00:42:28when everyone is

00:42:29looking for

00:42:30they go out

00:42:31one of them

00:42:32he goes out

00:42:32and off we go

00:42:33and the other one stays there

00:42:37who are the two men

00:42:38that followed

00:42:39the little one?

00:42:40Caterina claims

00:42:42that one of them

00:42:42it's the same

00:42:43which had prevented her

00:42:45to enter

00:42:45in his room

00:42:47while he was looking

00:42:48desperately

00:42:49the daughter

00:42:50in the hotel

00:42:51he let me in

00:42:52in his room

00:42:53saying that

00:42:54it's not hot here

00:42:55your daughter here

00:42:56it's not there

00:42:56then when he arrived

00:42:57I to Lidia

00:42:58he let me in

00:42:59Lidia was the lady

00:43:00what do we say?

00:43:01he managed a bit of everything

00:43:02the Romanian

00:43:03from this fact

00:43:04it's that I

00:43:04I insisted

00:43:07to know

00:43:09what did he do

00:43:10this gentleman

00:43:11at that moment

00:43:12for the investigators

00:43:14the two men

00:43:15they would be strangers

00:43:16to the facts

00:43:16but it is possible

00:43:18Caterina asks herself

00:43:19that they have seen

00:43:20something?

00:43:21the people

00:43:21that they were able to

00:43:24maybe see

00:43:25in Cataleia

00:43:26for the last time

00:43:27what they did

00:43:27the same path

00:43:28because from there

00:43:29that my son

00:43:29disappears

00:43:30maybe they

00:43:30they heard

00:43:31they saw

00:43:32or have seen

00:43:33strange people

00:43:34in there

00:43:36from that moment on

00:43:37Cataleia becomes

00:43:39a little girl

00:43:39disappearance

00:43:40the alarm

00:43:41snap after

00:43:42three hours

00:43:42the little girl

00:43:43is being searched for

00:43:44everywhere

00:43:45in

00:43:45and out

00:43:46the structure

00:43:47the occupants

00:43:48of the hotel

00:43:49interrogated

00:43:50nobody speaks

00:43:51no one saw

00:43:53or maybe

00:43:54Yes

00:43:54a witness

00:43:56there is

00:43:59Surely

00:44:00there is

00:44:00a small one

00:44:01testimony

00:44:02which is

00:44:02the little friend

00:44:02with which

00:44:03Cataleia

00:44:04he was playing

00:44:05before disappearing

00:44:06Right?

00:44:07Yes

00:44:08what

00:44:10I know

00:44:12is that the little girl

00:44:13own

00:44:14the same day

00:44:14of the disappearance

00:44:15he reported

00:44:17with the carabinieri

00:44:18carrying her

00:44:19back here

00:44:20the courtyard

00:44:20reporting

00:44:21of this part

00:44:22is that

00:44:22the wolf

00:44:23had brought

00:44:24in Cataleia

00:44:26Meaning what

00:44:27who has it near

00:44:28of arm

00:44:29And

00:44:30only her

00:44:32he said

00:44:32the wolf

00:44:32but he has it near

00:44:33in Cataleia

00:44:34of arm

00:44:36it's just

00:44:37to us

00:44:37of those who saw it

00:44:38to Veronica Briganti

00:44:39that the mother

00:44:40of the little girl

00:44:41repeats

00:44:42the same story

00:44:43I thought

00:44:44who had argued

00:44:46but

00:44:46among children

00:44:47they argue

00:44:48that rise

00:44:49in games

00:44:49I thought

00:44:50this thing

00:44:51he didn't know it after

00:44:53which was successful

00:44:54this thing

00:44:54Certain

00:44:55you thought

00:44:55they will have discussed

00:44:56Yes

00:44:57something

00:44:57but instead

00:44:58maybe she wanted to tell you

00:44:59that someone

00:45:00he had taken

00:45:00an arm

00:45:01in Cataleia

00:45:01and had taken her away

00:45:02Yes

00:45:03mom

00:45:04that the wolf

00:45:04he took it

00:45:05in Cataleia

00:45:05the wolf

00:45:07this is the memory

00:45:08of a little girl

00:45:09three years old

00:45:09Cata's little friend

00:45:11but who was he?

00:45:12that wolf

00:45:12a man

00:45:13a woman

00:45:14Perhaps

00:45:15we will never know

00:45:16then after

00:45:17of that day

00:45:18what I knew

00:45:20always for mom too

00:45:21that she

00:45:22the picolina

00:45:23it was not heard

00:45:24more

00:45:24they didn't show her

00:45:26not even the photo

00:45:27maybe you knew someone

00:45:28Nothing

00:45:30the little girl

00:45:31she was never heard from again

00:45:34after seven days

00:45:35the hotel is being cleared

00:45:37and inspected

00:45:38from top to bottom

00:45:39employed means

00:45:40and special teams

00:45:41of the carabinieri

00:45:42molecular dogs

00:45:43ground penetrating radar

00:45:44check rooms

00:45:46attics

00:45:46walls torn down

00:45:48cavities

00:45:49and attics

00:45:50it was tried

00:45:51in the manholes

00:45:52and in septic tanks

00:45:53but of Cata

00:45:54in the building

00:45:55there is no trace

00:45:56someone

00:45:57he took her away

00:45:58Why?

00:46:03the key to everything

00:46:04according to investigators

00:46:05the former hotel remains

00:46:07where everything happened

00:46:08a real racket

00:46:09of the rooms

00:46:10between arguments

00:46:11threats

00:46:11and extortion

00:46:12ten days before

00:46:14a citizen

00:46:14Ecuadorian

00:46:15he had been beaten

00:46:16for not paying

00:46:18the room

00:46:18desperate

00:46:19he had launched himself

00:46:21from a window

00:46:21of the astor

00:46:22after a dramatic

00:46:23phone call

00:46:24to the police

00:46:26ready?

00:46:27they want to kill me

00:46:28Excuse me

00:46:28Via Maragliano 101

00:46:30101?

00:46:33Yes

00:46:33they want to kill me

00:46:34he's coming right away

00:46:35Via Maragliano 101

00:46:37they want to kill him

00:46:38he's coming right away

00:46:39he's coming right away

00:46:40but who?

00:46:41is she at home?

00:46:43Yes

00:46:43they want to kill me

00:46:44right away

00:46:45Yes

00:46:46she is located

00:46:46locked in the room?

00:46:49Yes

00:46:49they want to kill me

00:46:53Please

00:46:53he's coming right away

00:46:54Yes

00:46:54who is?

00:46:55who wants to kill her?

00:46:56Who?

00:46:57someone who lives here

00:46:58with all the people

00:46:59a neighbor

00:47:01a neighbor

00:47:02of the palace?

00:47:06we live

00:47:07in a hotel

00:47:08where we are

00:47:10a hotel

00:47:10is this a hotel?

00:47:12it's not a home

00:47:13is it a hotel?

00:47:13a hotel

00:47:15Please

00:47:15come right away

00:47:16to ask you

00:47:17what is it?

00:47:18a hotel?

00:47:19what is his name

00:47:19the hotel?

00:47:21high

00:47:22the episode

00:47:26of man

00:47:27Ecuadorian

00:47:28it would not be connected

00:47:29to the disappearance

00:47:30of Cata

00:47:30the rack

00:47:31of the rooms

00:47:32but it remains

00:47:33one of the tracks

00:47:34follow

00:47:34the other hypotheses

00:47:36the kidnapping

00:47:37for revenge

00:47:38the traffic

00:47:38of drugs

00:47:39the exchange

00:47:39of a little girl

00:47:40they have not yet

00:47:41had no feedback

00:47:43but the real one

00:47:44moving

00:47:45for Caterina

00:47:46it would be another

00:47:47he tells us about it

00:47:48for the first time

00:47:49the only interest

00:47:50that I see here

00:47:52That

00:47:52it was cleared out

00:47:54and the hotel

00:47:54he remained free

00:47:55what they wanted

00:47:57and full stop

00:47:59this is the only thing

00:48:00what do I know

00:48:01In what sense

00:48:01are you saying this?

00:48:02Why

00:48:02already from

00:48:04from week

00:48:05from month

00:48:06they didn't say

00:48:06that we had to

00:48:07leave the hotel

00:48:08and unfortunately

00:48:09I couldn't

00:48:10the people

00:48:11that they were

00:48:12person in charge

00:48:12in there

00:48:13and I

00:48:13I couldn't

00:48:14go out

00:48:15Why

00:48:15sincerely

00:48:16I didn't have

00:48:16a place

00:48:16where to go

00:48:17at that moment

00:48:18I was there

00:48:18difficulty

00:48:20and always

00:48:20I refused

00:48:22I

00:48:22and my family

00:48:23because we didn't have

00:48:23another place

00:48:24they offered you

00:48:25some money

00:48:26to go away?

00:48:27Yes

00:48:29to Catherine

00:48:30so

00:48:30had been offered

00:48:31a large sum

00:48:32to leave the hotel

00:48:33to his refusal

00:48:35they had made her understand

00:48:36that if it were not there

00:48:37left voluntarily

00:48:38they would have forced her

00:48:40somehow

00:48:41the hotel

00:48:42he had to be freed

00:48:44and the threat

00:48:45came from who

00:48:46he managed it

00:48:47from the outside

00:48:48and the only interest

00:48:49what they wanted

00:48:50was that the hotel

00:48:51be free

00:48:52he is free

00:48:53you see that the hotel

00:48:54he is free

00:48:56and this was

00:48:57the only intention

00:48:57of them

00:48:58now that it's happened

00:48:59with my daughter

00:49:00what happened

00:49:01in there

00:49:01Then

00:49:05Today

00:49:05the building

00:49:06it was purchased

00:49:07from a private company

00:49:08that will transform it

00:49:10in apartments

00:49:11in an attempt

00:49:12to erase

00:49:13the bad memory

00:49:14of that

00:49:14what was happening here

00:49:15above all

00:49:16the mysterious

00:49:17incredible

00:49:18disappearance

00:49:19of a little girl

00:49:205 years old

00:49:27Catherine

00:49:28you told us

00:49:28something important

00:49:29that that hotel

00:49:31he had to be freed

00:49:32And

00:49:34you of course

00:49:36you needed

00:49:37of this room

00:49:38for you and your daughter

00:49:40and you didn't want to

00:49:41to give in

00:49:42to that

00:49:43that they have for you

00:49:43asked

00:49:44it just might

00:49:45be this

00:49:46the reason

00:49:46we don't talk

00:49:47of the owner

00:49:47of the hotel

00:49:48that by now

00:49:49he gave it up for lost

00:49:50let's say

00:49:51but of people

00:49:52that from outside

00:49:52they manage

00:49:53these rooms

00:49:55occupied

00:49:57Yes

00:49:58Unfortunately

00:50:00let's say

00:50:01a week

00:50:02Before

00:50:02has been

00:50:04a movement

00:50:04very strange

00:50:05in there

00:50:05of the hotel

00:50:06why they went

00:50:07away

00:50:07many people

00:50:08of the other

00:50:09community

00:50:10and already

00:50:12This

00:50:12it was very

00:50:13strange

00:50:13so also

00:50:14to other people

00:50:15they said

00:50:15well you have to

00:50:16to go away

00:50:17I five days

00:50:18before the

00:50:19disappearance

00:50:19my daughter

00:50:20I had

00:50:20bought

00:50:20that room

00:50:21from the first floor

00:50:22because I

00:50:22first was

00:50:23in the plan

00:50:24Earth

00:50:24and already

00:50:26this fact

00:50:26it was very

00:50:27strange

00:50:27I believed

00:50:28that were clearing out

00:50:29the hotel

00:50:29for everything

00:50:30the casino

00:50:30that they had

00:50:31always there

00:50:32but

00:50:33Yes

00:50:34they don't have

00:50:35offered

00:50:35but someone

00:50:36who had

00:50:36the interest

00:50:37how much did they give you

00:50:38offered

00:50:39if I can

00:50:39if we can

00:50:40know

00:50:40I would prefer

00:50:41No

00:50:42absolutely

00:50:43you hear

00:50:44Catherine

00:50:44you come

00:50:45from afar

00:50:46from Peru

00:50:47I am a mother

00:50:49Therefore

00:50:49it made an impression on me

00:50:50see how you lived

00:50:51in this hotel

00:50:53busy

00:50:53that is, you needed

00:50:54of a room

00:50:55of a safe place

00:50:56instead you were breathing

00:50:57this air

00:50:58unhealthy

00:50:59even of fear

00:51:01at night

00:51:02during the day

00:51:02if we can show

00:51:03these images

00:51:04of a family

00:51:05that defends

00:51:06your own room

00:51:26how did you live there

00:51:27with your daughter

00:51:28so small

00:51:28there was one

00:51:29No

00:51:30this is not

00:51:31it's not us

00:51:32ninth

00:51:33I know it's not you

00:51:34another family

00:51:35that has nothing to do with it at all

00:51:36with you

00:51:36yes unfortunately

00:51:38the situation

00:51:39that I was in

00:51:40in the end

00:51:41he made me arrive

00:51:42in that place

00:51:43because at the beginning

00:51:44when I arrived

00:51:45Certainly

00:51:46there was nothing

00:51:47of this

00:51:48it hadn't been me

00:51:50never

00:51:50in an occupation

00:51:51because I

00:51:52I went in there

00:51:53paying

00:51:54let's say buying

00:51:55those rooms

00:51:56that I had before

00:51:57so it's not actually

00:51:58that you have occupied

00:51:59this hotel

00:51:59because you paid for it

00:52:01we paid

00:52:03from the very beginning

00:52:04and then

00:52:06I am not

00:52:07has ever been

00:52:08in an occupation

00:52:09so I thought

00:52:09That

00:52:10you thought

00:52:11that it was almost

00:52:12regular

00:52:13No?

00:52:13you paid your dues

00:52:14to someone

00:52:15who took it

00:52:16Exactly

00:52:16why people

00:52:17that they had for me

00:52:18let in

00:52:19there too

00:52:20he said

00:52:21he had a workshop

00:52:22he told me

00:52:22that was all

00:52:23let's say

00:52:23that helped

00:52:24the people

00:52:25that to the family

00:52:26with children

00:52:27that they didn't have

00:52:27a place to stay

00:52:29you didn't realize

00:52:31that then you went

00:52:32in a trap

00:52:33no exactly

00:52:33but slowly slowly

00:52:34after the mess

00:52:36what was happening

00:52:37I was looking for

00:52:38to go away

00:52:39but unfortunately

00:52:40it wasn't easy

00:52:42take an apartment

00:52:43of course rent an apartment

00:52:44in Florence

00:52:45it's not easy

00:52:46and I know that

00:52:46rightly

00:52:47for the place

00:52:48where I was

00:52:49at that moment

00:52:51the people

00:52:52had

00:52:52many prejudices

00:52:54about me

00:52:54of my family

00:52:57but today

00:52:58what

00:52:58I want to say

00:53:00is that you help me

00:53:01to search

00:53:02my daughter

00:53:02because they passed

00:53:04two years

00:53:04nine months

00:53:05but I continue

00:53:06to fight

00:53:07I keep searching

00:53:09my daughter

00:53:10continuous

00:53:11and I want to know

00:53:12the truth

00:53:13above all

00:53:13because I know

00:53:15that the truth

00:53:15it is located there

00:53:16in the hotel

00:53:16At that time

00:53:18you're right about that

00:53:19In my opinion

00:53:19the people

00:53:20that were there

00:53:21other people too

00:53:22That

00:53:22that in any case

00:53:23they accepted

00:53:23some money

00:53:24to go away

00:53:25from that hotel

00:53:26if anyone knows anything

00:53:27we are talking here

00:53:28of a little girl

00:53:29I remember

00:53:30Catherine

00:53:31what they told you

00:53:32why do you have these glasses

00:53:33why are you like this

00:53:34etc.

00:53:34but you stay here

00:53:35to look for your daughter

00:53:36you always said it

00:53:37look

00:53:38I am a mother

00:53:39and the children

00:53:41they all need to be searched for

00:53:42and I have to say

00:53:43which then

00:53:44these families

00:53:44are reduced

00:53:46to live

00:53:46in conditions

00:53:47dramatic

00:53:48why they have to give

00:53:48a place

00:53:49a bed

00:53:49Catherine had to give

00:53:51a place

00:53:51Bed

00:53:52in Cataleia

00:53:53and in there

00:53:54she found herself

00:53:54but in this story

00:53:55there's also a stuffed animal

00:53:56which can be important

00:53:58then let's look

00:53:59with Filomena Rorro

00:54:00and Valentina Pellegrino

00:54:09when we did

00:54:11the inspection

00:54:12then after three months

00:54:13four months

00:54:13of the disappearance

00:54:15of my daughter

00:54:16I saw

00:54:16a bear

00:54:17the bear

00:54:18a stuffed toy

00:54:20a stuffed toy

00:54:20Yes

00:54:20there was in the room

00:54:22of this person

00:54:23who lived

00:54:24alongside

00:54:25from us

00:54:25and this

00:54:27who called me

00:54:28a lot of attention

00:54:29because one

00:54:29us with them

00:54:30we didn't have

00:54:31relationship

00:54:32let's say

00:54:32that maybe

00:54:32could enter

00:54:33in my room

00:54:34or it was lent

00:54:35some played

00:54:36to his daughter

00:54:37actually no

00:54:37my daughter

00:54:38he was afraid

00:54:39also of his daughter

00:54:40because always

00:54:40he beat them

00:54:41had the same

00:54:42at home

00:54:43the little girl

00:54:44Therefore

00:54:45when we

00:54:46we saw

00:54:46we reported

00:54:47right away

00:54:48to the police

00:54:49to do

00:54:50let's say

00:54:51to take

00:54:51of the analyses

00:54:52everything

00:54:53and what was it

00:54:54found

00:54:54on this plush toy

00:54:55it wasn't

00:54:56found

00:54:57Nothing

00:54:57neither

00:54:58trace of us

00:55:00of the family

00:55:02Nothing

00:55:02own

00:55:05no trace

00:55:06of cata

00:55:06on that little bear

00:55:07from which it is not possible

00:55:08never separated

00:55:09how is it possible

00:55:10it was perhaps

00:55:11washed

00:55:12and why

00:55:13he was in the room

00:55:14of another

00:55:14woman

00:55:15I learned

00:55:17that this

00:55:18Lady

00:55:19it's the same day

00:55:20of the disappearance

00:55:21of my daughter

00:55:21in the afternoon

00:55:22it is not known

00:55:23the exact hours

00:55:24she called

00:55:25in Cataleia

00:55:26offering

00:55:27she a piece

00:55:28of fruit

00:55:29of melon

00:55:29you told her

00:55:30This

00:55:31yes yes I told you

00:55:33the answer

00:55:34until today

00:55:34the answer

00:55:35it's that there aren't any

00:55:37evidence

00:55:38there is nothing

00:55:39let's say

00:55:40of concrete

00:55:42and discard

00:55:44right away

00:55:44all the

00:55:45slopes

00:55:47to date

00:55:49they remain under investigation

00:55:50for seizure

00:55:50in person

00:55:51the two uncles

00:55:52maternal

00:55:53and paternal

00:55:53of Cataleia

00:55:54that they always have

00:55:55denied their

00:55:56involvement

00:55:57in the disappearance

00:55:58of the little girl

00:55:59you know that

00:56:00many

00:56:01they keep saying

00:56:02ask the family

00:56:04they know

00:56:05at the start

00:56:05everyone spoke

00:56:07it's as if

00:56:08had not put

00:56:08agree

00:56:09everyone

00:56:09to say

00:56:09They

00:56:10Why

00:56:11because many people

00:56:12they were illegal

00:56:13they did things

00:56:15illegal

00:56:16Therefore

00:56:17he's better

00:56:19report

00:56:20only to one person

00:56:21this is how they free themselves

00:56:22everyone

00:56:22Understood

00:56:25I hope

00:56:27that they

00:56:29continue

00:56:30to search

00:56:32my daughter

00:56:32Why

00:56:33last year

00:56:35I

00:56:36I sent

00:56:37an email

00:56:38to Interpol

00:56:39because my daughter

00:56:40he wasn't there

00:56:42on the notice

00:56:43on the yellow page

00:56:44they didn't know

00:56:45who was Cataleia

00:56:46and that they

00:56:47they didn't have

00:56:47no warning

00:56:48of my daughter

00:56:49a piece of news

00:56:50that leaves us

00:56:51perplexed

00:56:52is it really like that?

00:56:53this is the email

00:56:55received

00:56:56from Caterina

00:56:56June 17th

00:56:572024

00:56:59kind lady

00:57:00Alvarez

00:57:00I don't see

00:57:01no notification

00:57:02yellow

00:57:02relating to his daughter

00:57:03on our website

00:57:04only the police

00:57:06national

00:57:06of his country

00:57:07may request

00:57:08the publication

00:57:08of such notification

00:57:09and sincerely

00:57:10this was

00:57:11one thing

00:57:12absurd

00:57:13And

00:57:13you told him

00:57:14This?

00:57:15they said

00:57:15that they

00:57:15they sent

00:57:16All

00:57:16you think

00:57:17that Cataleia

00:57:18it was

00:57:19flow rate

00:57:19abroad?

00:57:20Yes

00:57:21let's say

00:57:23that can be done

00:57:24even think

00:57:25whether it is abroad

00:57:26Understood?

00:57:27because it is not known

00:57:27Nothing

00:57:28of my daughter

00:57:29but I

00:57:30I hope

00:57:31with all my heart

00:57:31that my daughter

00:57:32be close

00:57:34Where is Cata?

00:57:35In Italy

00:57:36as mom thinks

00:57:37or abroad?

00:57:38You can't think

00:57:40That

00:57:40Cata

00:57:41has disappeared

00:57:42has evaporated

00:57:43into nothingness

00:57:45and that the research

00:57:46the investigations

00:57:47on his disappearance

00:57:48may end

00:57:48because of this

00:57:49we asked

00:57:50to the prosecutor's office

00:57:51to be able to

00:57:53to view

00:57:54to obtain copies

00:57:55and be able to view

00:57:56calmly

00:57:56and carefully

00:57:57all images

00:57:58because I believe

00:57:59that maybe

00:58:01the mother

00:58:02Catherine

00:58:03may

00:58:04if it were to happen

00:58:05identify elements

00:58:06anomalous

00:58:07allow the prosecutor

00:58:08to develop

00:58:09further strands

00:58:10of investigation

00:58:11Aging

00:58:12of photography

00:58:13of Cataleia

00:58:13could be

00:58:14I don't recognize her

00:58:15honestly no

00:58:17I think that

00:58:18it's not her

00:58:19but

00:58:19it's a good sign

00:58:21of what they

00:58:22they did

00:58:23let's say something

00:58:24also to maintain

00:58:25attention

00:58:26about my daughter

00:58:27But it never happens to you

00:58:28a message arrived

00:58:29to you

00:58:29to Miguel

00:58:30an anonymous message

00:58:31a strange phone call

00:58:33in these

00:58:34two and a half years

00:58:35No

00:58:36unfortunately not

00:58:37The only hypothesis

00:58:38what can we say

00:58:40is that my daughter

00:58:41it was sold

00:58:42for someone

00:58:43maybe lend

00:58:45for someone

00:58:45there are families

00:58:46also no

00:58:47that they take

00:58:48when they can't

00:58:48No

00:58:49adoption exists

00:58:50illegal

00:58:51Catherine

00:58:52keep asking

00:58:53the truth

00:58:54his fear

00:58:55is that Cata

00:58:56be forgotten

00:58:57A mother

00:58:58can't forget

00:58:59to a daughter

00:59:01Why

00:59:01us

00:59:03we bring them

00:59:04nine months

00:59:04in our

00:59:05belly

00:59:06what I

00:59:08I'm coming here

00:59:09to search

00:59:09every now and again

00:59:10in the hotel

00:59:11if I pass by

00:59:11it's because I know

00:59:12that in here

00:59:13it is the truth

00:59:23So Catherine

00:59:24we don't know

00:59:24if in Italy

00:59:25if abroad

00:59:26that is, the good news

00:59:27that they didn't find it

00:59:28in that hotel

00:59:29so she was taken away

00:59:30I ask you something

00:59:31what can I say perhaps?

00:59:32it will seem absurd

00:59:33but it's important

00:59:33you want to address

00:59:35through our

00:59:36camera

00:59:36just to her

00:59:38in Cataleia

00:59:38why Cataleia

00:59:39if it's somewhere

00:59:41and he can see you

00:59:41must know

00:59:42that the mother

00:59:43he's looking for her

00:59:46Thank you

00:59:47first of all

00:59:47for this opportunity

00:59:49and I want myself

00:59:50to address

00:59:51to my daughter

00:59:52I have faith

00:59:55and I keep this hope

00:59:57that she can see

00:59:58these videos

01:00:00that wherever she is

01:00:02I

01:00:03I don't

01:00:05I won't give up

01:00:05I will continue to search

01:00:07my daughter

01:00:07I will continue to search

01:00:09in Cataleia

01:00:10and I will keep

01:00:12this faith

01:00:13because I feel

01:00:14like mom

01:00:15I feel

01:00:15that she is alive

01:00:16and that sooner or later

01:00:17I will know the truth

01:00:19and that's what I want

01:00:21it's just

01:00:21to get closer again

01:00:21my daughter

01:00:22and say

01:00:23to people

01:00:24who are with her

01:00:26that are put

01:00:27the hand

01:00:28on conscience

01:00:28they can help me

01:00:29to let someone know something

01:00:30at least one message

01:00:31a letter

01:00:33anonymous

01:00:34anything

01:00:35any news

01:00:36for me

01:00:37it's a

01:00:38hope

01:00:39that will support me

01:00:40still standing

01:00:41to keep fighting

01:00:42it's important

01:00:44because if it's somewhere

01:00:46she can see you

01:00:47Angela Celentano's parents

01:00:49for example

01:00:49they put

01:00:49online

01:00:50all the toys

01:00:51of the little girl

01:00:52with hope

01:00:53that they remember

01:00:54of their family

01:00:55and then

01:00:56as she

01:00:57he was now seven years old

01:00:58he had five

01:00:59when she disappeared

01:01:01then let's really hope

01:01:02that I can see you

01:01:04and say I'm here

01:01:05mom

01:01:05come and get it

01:01:06Thank you

01:01:07thanks Caterina

01:01:08for being with us

01:01:09At that time

01:01:11I'll do it for you now

01:01:12see the photo

01:01:13by Alessandro

01:01:15Castles

01:01:16who is 39 years old

01:01:17and lives

01:01:18with his father

01:01:19at Villa Dada

01:01:20we are in the province

01:01:20from Bergamo

01:01:21he works as a driver

01:01:23and they contacted us

01:01:24friends and family

01:01:26because they have no news

01:01:27his from March 1st

01:01:29from Sunday

01:01:30he moved away

01:01:31on board

01:01:31of your car

01:01:32which is a Fiat

01:01:34type

01:01:35than the gray one

01:01:36which however was found

01:01:37accident-prone

01:01:38out

01:01:38from the factory

01:01:40where he works

01:01:41I don't know if we can

01:01:42to show also

01:01:43these images

01:01:45of the car

01:01:46because I saw

01:01:47what is written there

01:01:48we have the photos

01:01:49anyway it doesn't matter

01:01:50because the car is so big

01:01:51it was found

01:01:52the important thing instead

01:01:53is to find him again

01:01:55Alessandro Castelli

01:01:56and then I ask you

01:01:59a help

01:01:59also for Marcos

01:02:00he lives on his own

01:02:02the family lives

01:02:03in Marebbe

01:02:04we are in the province

01:02:05from Bolzano

01:02:06he called his mother

01:02:07he said

01:02:08he had done some work

01:02:10to the north

01:02:10in northern Italy

01:02:11but he said

01:02:12look I found it

01:02:12a job in Calabria

01:02:13I'm moving

01:02:15in Cosenza

01:02:15he had met

01:02:17someone around there

01:02:18that he had promised her

01:02:20a job

01:02:21since he doesn't have a cell phone

01:02:22every now and then he shows up

01:02:23with mom

01:02:25borrowing

01:02:26the phone

01:02:26from others

01:02:28At that time

01:02:28hears mommy

01:02:30and says

01:02:30I am fine

01:02:31I'm sleeping

01:02:32in the Scalea area

01:02:33in Cosenza

01:02:34from that moment on

01:02:35but the mother

01:02:36he no longer has

01:02:37his news

01:02:39At that time

01:02:41very few seconds

01:02:42of pause

01:02:42and then that

01:02:43that we have

01:02:43nicknamed

01:02:44the chef

01:02:45Spleen

01:02:46because we have

01:02:46in the studio

01:02:47the uncle

01:02:58before going

01:03:00from uncle

01:03:01by Emiliano Milza

01:03:02but it arrived

01:03:03another emergency

01:03:04her name is

01:03:05Mined

01:03:05he's only 14 years old

01:03:07and she walked away

01:03:09just today

01:03:11Wednesday

01:03:11from Cilia

01:03:12in Rome

01:03:14since this morning

01:03:16they don't have each other

01:03:17more news about him

01:03:18he said

01:03:19to mom

01:03:19that would have gone

01:03:20at school

01:03:20like every day

01:03:21but it never arrived

01:03:22to the institute

01:03:23Scartazzini

01:03:24from Casal Bernocchi

01:03:25we are in the area

01:03:26South Rome

01:03:28frequents

01:03:29the third year of middle school

01:03:30and he said

01:03:32that had arrived

01:03:32at school

01:03:33after a little while

01:03:34but they were

01:03:35the teachers

01:03:36to tell mom

01:03:37that the daughter

01:03:37it was never

01:03:38entering the classroom

01:03:39has only

01:03:4014 years old

01:03:41if someone

01:03:41he saw her

01:03:42if you can contact us

01:03:43right away

01:03:44then we

01:03:46we are getting closer

01:03:47to the gentleman

01:03:47Gianfranco

01:03:48meanwhile

01:03:49we thank you

01:03:50Why

01:03:50it's someone

01:03:52of the family

01:03:53in short it's difficult

01:03:53talk about one's own

01:03:55family

01:03:55in these terms

01:03:57it's very difficult

01:03:58it's very difficult

01:03:59then Gianfranco

01:04:00she is the uncle

01:04:01by Emiliano Milza

01:04:03acquired

01:04:03exact acquired

01:04:05in the sense that

01:04:05his wife

01:04:06she's the sister

01:04:07of the father

01:04:08by Emiliano

01:04:09she's the sister

01:04:10of the father

01:04:11by Emiliano

01:04:11so what happened

01:04:13that you

01:04:14you find yourself managing

01:04:15a bit of the situation

01:04:16both now

01:04:17with mom

01:04:17by Emiliano

01:04:18who with his son

01:04:19to us

01:04:19it happened

01:04:20that from January 12th

01:04:22there is a waterfall

01:04:23this bomb

01:04:24on me

01:04:24with the arrest

01:04:26by Emiliano

01:04:27Then

01:04:27with the transfer

01:04:29of the mother

01:04:30by Emiliano

01:04:30at a hospital

01:04:31an emergency room

01:04:33and of the child

01:04:34that we

01:04:35we are never seen

01:04:36and known

01:04:37carried

01:04:37in a structure

01:04:39for minors

01:04:40so you find yourselves

01:04:42to manage

01:04:42a situation

01:04:44very difficult

01:04:44even at his age

01:04:45she's a kid

01:04:46for goodness sake

01:04:47but anyway

01:04:48at his age

01:04:48in short one has to manage

01:04:49All

01:04:50then let's remember

01:04:51that Emiliano Milz

01:04:52he was accused

01:04:53who is in prison

01:04:54for murder

01:04:55of the companion

01:04:56whose name is Franca

01:04:59would have practically

01:05:00said

01:05:01to this friend of hers

01:05:02that he had to kill her

01:05:03he had made himself

01:05:04an alibi

01:05:05and he

01:05:05this friend

01:05:06he puts it under

01:05:07with the car

01:05:08then there is the suspicion

01:05:09that he has however

01:05:09even poisoned

01:05:10the mother's caregiver

01:05:11because the abbadante

01:05:12of the mother

01:05:13he had confided

01:05:14a friend

01:05:14that maybe

01:05:15he was poisoning her

01:05:17what happens now

01:05:18with Paola Grauso

01:05:19we see it

01:05:19and Cristiana Mangani

01:05:21that the suspicion

01:05:22there is another suspect

01:05:24that is, that even

01:05:25it could have been him

01:05:28the creator

01:05:29then it will be the prosecutor's office

01:05:30to say

01:05:30but she did

01:05:31a complaint

01:05:33it could have been him

01:05:34to even cause

01:05:35even death

01:05:37of the father

01:05:38In short

01:05:38a real villain

01:05:40let's say

01:05:40then let's look

01:05:41the service

01:05:41but first

01:05:42I wanted to make you feel

01:05:43to Gianfranco

01:05:44that at a certain point

01:05:46what's happening

01:05:48you who report

01:05:49you had with Emiliano

01:05:51so and so

01:05:52I feel

01:05:52with Emiliano

01:05:53the reports

01:05:54I reconnected them

01:05:55four years ago

01:05:57because he

01:05:58he's back

01:05:59from outside

01:06:00from outside Italy

01:06:01he was at work

01:06:02in Denver

01:06:03in Colorado

01:06:04he's back

01:06:06On the contrary

01:06:07he made a phone call

01:06:08to my wife Laura

01:06:09making him

01:06:10best wishes

01:06:10happy birthday

01:06:12we fell for it

01:06:13from the clouds

01:06:15and then he says

01:06:16I will come to visit you

01:06:17At home

01:06:17in fact he came home

01:06:19it seemed

01:06:20a little lamb

01:06:21so you are there

01:06:22yes everything

01:06:22no because now

01:06:23Gianfranco

01:06:24I make them feel

01:06:25this reconstruction

01:06:26it's a reconstruction

01:06:27of the interception

01:06:27because then he

01:06:28is intercepted

01:06:29after Franca's death

01:06:30what's happening

01:06:31what he wants

01:06:32to make become

01:06:33with the help of the mother

01:06:34that is, he had

01:06:35used

01:06:36this friend

01:06:37Simona

01:06:37to have Franca killed

01:06:39and now though

01:06:40he wants to get rid of

01:06:41Simona too

01:06:44mother with Simona

01:06:45you need to

01:06:46give me a hand

01:06:46that I do it

01:06:47to fall asleep

01:06:47and you take it out

01:06:48you have to do it

01:06:49out of you

01:06:50why are you in prison?

01:06:51you're not going there

01:06:52you are over 80 years old

01:06:53I can't

01:06:54if not they will take me

01:06:54the son goes away

01:06:56but the mother

01:06:57by Emiliano

01:06:58No?

01:06:59he confided

01:06:59with you?

01:07:01No

01:07:01he didn't have

01:07:03courage

01:07:04he didn't have

01:07:05so much

01:07:06how can I say

01:07:08trust

01:07:08on Emiliano

01:07:09there was a braggart

01:07:11says a mountain

01:07:11of nonsense

01:07:12how do you say

01:07:13we in Florence

01:07:13once

01:07:14do something here

01:07:15once

01:07:16one over there does it

01:07:17a fact

01:07:18who asks for money

01:07:20and says

01:07:21once

01:07:21we avoided each other

01:07:22Then

01:07:24he went

01:07:25a hole in the water

01:07:26he did nothing

01:07:27and us too

01:07:28he says

01:07:28we are two pensioners

01:07:30and give money

01:07:31just like that

01:07:32as

01:07:33they couldn't take it anymore

01:07:34it's clear

01:07:35so what happens

01:07:36that the prosecution

01:07:37and the carabinieri

01:07:38they worked

01:07:38Very well

01:07:39because they understood

01:07:40immediately

01:07:41that it was not about

01:07:42of a road accident

01:07:43Franca's

01:07:44for which they put

01:07:45under interception

01:07:47Emilian

01:07:48the chef

01:07:48Spleen

01:07:49they put him under wiretap

01:07:51at this point

01:07:51it also turns out

01:07:53that there is this carer

01:07:54who dies

01:07:54in a strange way

01:07:56but let's hear

01:07:57what does he say

01:07:58the uncle

01:07:58to ours

01:07:59Paola Grauso

01:08:00and Cristiana Mangani

01:08:09since Emiliano Milza

01:08:10he is detained

01:08:11in prison

01:08:12of Sollicciano

01:08:13in Florence

01:08:14the investigation

01:08:15which sees him accused

01:08:16of murder

01:08:16it's getting bigger

01:08:17like an oil stain

01:08:18first for death

01:08:20of the companion

01:08:21Franca Ludwig

01:08:22then the suspicions

01:08:23on death

01:08:24of the abbadante

01:08:25Peruvian

01:08:25of the mother

01:08:26and then

01:08:26as we will see

01:08:27the investigations

01:08:28they are expanding

01:08:30in other directions

01:08:32meanwhile Emiliano

01:08:33behind him

01:08:34he left

01:08:35among the rubble

01:08:36two people

01:08:37non-self-sufficient

01:08:39without even

01:08:40a penny

01:08:41the old mother

01:08:42and the son

01:08:43just one year old

01:08:44conceived

01:08:45through egg donation

01:08:46with Franca Ludwig

01:08:47and then there's a family

01:08:49that of the mother

01:08:50by Emiliano

01:08:51who is looking for

01:08:52to take care

01:08:53of them

01:08:54he tells us about it

01:08:55Gianfranco

01:08:56the step-uncle

01:08:57by Emiliano

01:08:58she Emiliano Milza

01:09:00he knows him

01:09:00for a long time

01:09:01I know him

01:09:02for a long time

01:09:04because he is a nephew

01:09:05of my wife

01:09:05in the morning

01:09:07of the arrest

01:09:07by Emiliano Milza

01:09:08Gianfranco

01:09:09and his wife

01:09:10they worry

01:09:11right away

01:09:11of fate

01:09:12by Pina

01:09:12the mother

01:09:13of Spleen

01:09:14and of the child

01:09:15the little one

01:09:16he's coming right away

01:09:16taken charge

01:09:17from social workers

01:09:19while the mother

01:09:20is brought

01:09:21in the hospital

01:09:22we went

01:09:23to the hospital

01:09:23and ready

01:09:24there was Pina

01:09:25with a bag

01:09:26of supermarket

01:09:27and that's it

01:09:28alone

01:09:29alone

01:09:30wasted

01:09:31sad

01:09:32then I took it away from him

01:09:33a knife

01:09:34from the bag

01:09:35because she

01:09:36he always had to say

01:09:37I brought myself

01:09:38behind the knife

01:09:39and what was he supposed to do?

01:09:40with the knife?

01:09:42he says he wanted to kill himself

01:09:44but why?

01:09:45why was she sorry?

01:09:46because the son

01:09:47he beat her

01:09:48he put her to sleep

01:09:50he treated badly

01:09:51the child

01:09:52and she

01:09:52he couldn't take it anymore

01:09:53she has no one left

01:09:54he has no money

01:09:56nor clothes

01:09:59we are relatives

01:10:01to buy him

01:10:02Perhaps

01:10:03a pair of underwear

01:10:04a nightgown

01:10:06and yet she

01:10:06she was a wealthy woman

01:10:07he was fine

01:10:08he was fine

01:10:10he had a nice pension

01:10:11pure

01:10:11and where is the pension?

01:10:13the pension is unknown

01:10:14if he has it

01:10:15in a current account

01:10:17Emilian

01:10:17it is not known where they are going

01:10:18this money

01:10:19she is without a pension

01:10:20currently?

01:10:21currently without anything

01:10:24Lapina had three houses

01:10:25and two pensions

01:10:26as Emiliano did

01:10:28to leave her

01:10:28in such conditions

01:10:29of poverty?

01:10:31things for her

01:10:32they fell

01:10:33with the death of her husband

01:10:35Adriano

01:10:36Emiliano's father

01:10:37director of large hotels

01:10:39retired

01:10:40is missing

01:10:41on a summer night

01:10:42of 2022

01:10:43in this house

01:10:46Adriano is dead

01:10:48Yes

01:10:48practically

01:10:49suddenly

01:10:50because from dinner

01:10:51in the morning

01:10:52he called us Emiliano

01:10:54telling us that

01:10:55the father had died

01:10:56during the night

01:10:57during the night

01:10:59as he had died

01:11:00but if he left

01:11:01he was doing quite well

01:11:03the dinner

01:11:04he was starting to feel sick

01:11:05his head was spinning

01:11:08all these things here

01:11:09and I went to bed

01:11:11and I left it down

01:11:13the living room

01:11:14to watch television

01:11:16and every now and then I went down

01:11:18to ascertain

01:11:19dad's situation

01:11:21and it was always supported like this

01:11:22watching television

01:11:24until the morning

01:11:25he dropped it

01:11:26and he always found it that way

01:11:27but dead

01:11:28he was sick

01:11:29what happened?

01:11:31there was always

01:11:31these dizzinesses

01:11:34he wasn't feeling well

01:11:36he felt

01:11:38always sonorous

01:11:39this stuff here

01:11:40and he said

01:11:42that something was happening

01:11:44towards him

01:11:45and he thought

01:11:47his son

01:11:47give him some substance

01:11:49he says

01:11:49I see that Emiliano

01:11:50is doing

01:11:51of the concoction with the wine

01:11:52every time I drink wine

01:11:54and I feel bad

01:11:55I feel dizzy

01:11:57Adriano

01:11:57he told us

01:11:58he says

01:11:59In my opinion

01:11:59it's poisoning me

01:12:00and says

01:12:01one evening

01:12:01you see it out of the corner of your eye

01:12:04that was pouring

01:12:06with a funnel

01:12:06of bottles

01:12:07of wine

01:12:08when he brought it to the table

01:12:10I tasted the wine

01:12:11and I felt

01:12:13that was bad

01:12:15it didn't taste good

01:12:17and he told her

01:12:18look what a wine

01:12:19he bought you

01:12:20this wine sucks

01:12:21he says no dad

01:12:21it's an old wine

01:12:22he says you have to have

01:12:24the palace on purpose

01:12:24to drink such a wine

01:12:26actually

01:12:27there was something

01:12:28because he felt bad

01:12:30and how long has this been?

01:12:31before death

01:12:32it happened

01:12:33a month before

01:12:34he didn't want to do it

01:12:36not even the autopsy

01:12:38Emilian

01:12:39he decided it

01:12:39I asked for it

01:12:40to the doctor

01:12:40and he told me

01:12:41no he says why

01:12:42the son

01:12:43he told me

01:12:43to do nothing

01:12:44to speed things up

01:12:46Why

01:12:46after him

01:12:47he went to do it

01:12:48other things

01:12:48he wants to hold the funeral

01:12:49and close the matter

01:12:53in fact the next day

01:12:54it can be said

01:12:55at dawn

01:12:55he held the funeral

01:12:56under the satin

01:12:57and he no longer has

01:12:59saw the cemetery

01:13:00but why

01:13:01Emiliano should have

01:13:02to do harm

01:13:03to the father

01:13:04Emilian

01:13:05he hated his dad

01:13:07because he didn't give him the money

01:13:09why doesn't he continue

01:13:10to ask for money

01:13:11Adriano made me

01:13:11Frank

01:13:13he said

01:13:13a criminal

01:13:14and he always asks for my money

01:13:16listen to me

01:13:16who has come closer to you again

01:13:18don't give him anything

01:13:20don't give him anything

01:13:20because he

01:13:21it's a waste

01:13:23a sisan

01:13:24throw this money away

01:13:25he was manic

01:13:25he bought the cars

01:13:26of the epo

01:13:27like the Mickey Mouse

01:13:28the Lambrettas

01:13:30of the old ones

01:13:31of 30

01:13:32he spent more

01:13:33of those who earned

01:13:35he liked the good life

01:13:37Good

01:13:37good life

01:13:38women

01:13:38because he didn't have women

01:13:40he had many women

01:13:40he's ugly

01:13:41but he had women

01:13:43so he knew what he was doing

01:13:45he knew what he was doing

01:13:46him with his mouth

01:13:47and that did not conquer

01:13:48with his mouth he

01:13:49in fact he came

01:13:50from us

01:13:51to say

01:13:52convince me dad

01:13:53give me some money

01:13:54because I want to open the place

01:13:56and we were saying

01:13:57Adriano

01:13:59he is the only son

01:14:01if he wants to open the place

01:14:02but are you stupid?

01:14:03ninth

01:14:03I don't give him anything

01:14:04because he had already given it to her

01:14:06he had her beautiful and cheated her

01:14:07ninth

01:14:07I don't give him anything

01:14:08he can die for me

01:14:09he said

01:14:10I don't give him anything

01:14:10and so here's why

01:14:11the two

01:14:12they didn't go

01:14:13there was nothing but this hatred

01:14:14And

01:14:15and he

01:14:16my dad has a piece of it

01:14:17Understood

01:14:18I ask him for money

01:14:19he says I had no other children

01:14:21I only have me

01:14:22and I know he gave you money

01:14:26he bought you the house

01:14:28he gave you money

01:14:29to do

01:14:30this place

01:14:31his massacarrara

01:14:33and what he has to give you

01:14:34you've always gone against the wall

01:14:36it didn't get you anywhere

01:14:38and then he sold the houses

01:14:39he sold the houses

01:14:41at the time that the father had died

01:14:42and her mother was in the clinic

01:14:44he inherits his father's house

01:14:46no no he doesn't inherit anything

01:14:46him

01:14:47he takes it and has his mother make a power of attorney

01:14:50he makes him sign a paper

01:14:52he got it and went straight to sell it

01:14:55put the house up for sale

01:14:56the house where the father lived

01:14:58up in towers

01:14:59and then after

01:15:00that of Florence

01:15:02which was the mother's

01:15:03which was the mother's

01:15:04and then

01:15:05they sold

01:15:07I told her a third

01:15:09of the

01:15:09of the grandparents' house

01:15:11approximately 850 euros

01:15:13and plus the mother's pension

01:15:15after when the father dies

01:15:17he gets both pensions

01:15:19takes the reversibility of dad

01:15:20and the mother's pension

01:15:22and then raised about 3 million

01:15:252 million and 9.3 million

01:15:26so he was managing you

01:15:27he was managing you

01:15:29once Emiliano took over everything

01:15:32he pushed his mother away

01:15:33also from his brother-in-law and sister

01:15:35I also told him

01:15:37on the last message

01:15:38that I

01:15:39I sent them to Emiliano

01:15:40I told him

01:15:41look at Emiliano

01:15:42don't be an idiot

01:15:43because I'm coming to your house

01:15:44with a stick

01:15:45and I kiss you

01:15:46as if it were carnival

01:15:48I told him

01:15:48why did he write this to him?

01:15:50why did I write this thing?

01:15:51because he didn't let us know any more news about his mother

01:15:54he wasn't worried

01:15:56he says

01:15:56if not, how can I know how mom is?

01:15:58Mom is fine here with me

01:16:00Enough

01:16:00boom

01:16:01pass and I'm closing

01:16:02he sent us a formal notice

01:16:04through his lawyer

01:16:06that we couldn't get close

01:16:09to mom

01:16:10and why?

01:16:11he didn't want us

01:16:12interfered

01:16:15between him and his mother

01:16:17and these pensions

01:16:18or these houses

01:16:19Understood?

01:16:20he just found out

01:16:22that Laura

01:16:23my wife

01:16:24she had gotten in touch

01:16:26in contact with social services

01:16:29boom

01:16:30he sent us this letter right away

01:16:31to never get close to her again

01:16:34otherwise we would have been reported for stalking

01:16:36but he didn't care about his parents

01:16:40if there is a sick mother you don't know mine like this

01:16:42he locked her in the house

01:16:43he saw lately

01:16:44he says he locked her in the house and went out

01:16:45so she was locked in the house

01:16:47couldn't he even talk on the phone?

01:16:48cell phones, you can get them right away

01:16:50it was not known what had happened to this woman

01:16:52if he was well

01:16:52if he was sick

01:16:53if he needed it

01:16:54there was alive

01:16:54that too

01:16:56until this story comes out?

01:16:58this bomb here

01:16:59this one from Franca

01:17:00in January

01:17:01Milza is arrested

01:17:02for the murder of Franca Ludwig

01:17:04according to investigators

01:17:06sedated with azepine benzos

01:17:08and then finished with stone blasts

01:17:10she is hit by her accomplice

01:17:12Simona Hirsch

01:17:12then Emiliano's relatives

01:17:15they come to know

01:17:16of Shirley's death

01:17:17the mother's caregiver

01:17:19that shortly before dying

01:17:21she wrote to her friend

01:17:22my boss has visitors today

01:17:24and gave the pill

01:17:25to sleep with mom

01:17:27I think he gave it to me too

01:17:28I felt the water a little strange

01:17:30for anything

01:17:32archive this message

01:17:33at this point

01:17:35Gianfranco and his wife

01:17:36they go to the police

01:17:37to report their suspicions

01:17:39on the death of Emiliano's father

01:17:41I called my lawyer first

01:17:43he says go to the police

01:17:45and you express your thoughts

01:17:49all these sleeping pills

01:17:51and then give it to him and take it

01:17:53he also takes sleeping pills

01:17:54that he could have killed

01:17:55dad too

01:17:57it will be up to the investigators

01:17:58check if these

01:17:59they are just suspicions

01:18:01Emiliano's mother

01:18:02it practically remained

01:18:03homeless

01:18:04and without a pension

01:18:05at his son's house

01:18:06without anything

01:18:07not even underwear

01:18:07Simona Paola

01:18:08not even underwear

01:18:09I told the hospital about it

01:18:11to the emergency room

01:18:12he had a bag

01:18:13there were two candies

01:18:15the glasses

01:18:18Nothing

01:18:19the house had been seized

01:18:21so gilli

01:18:22but the assistance to this woman

01:18:25it must be given

01:18:26because he is in a hospital now

01:18:27but this hospital

01:18:29one keeps alive

01:18:30eternal life

01:18:32there were beautiful sayings

01:18:33this lady

01:18:34must be taken to a facility

01:18:36as this lady

01:18:38she talks about these suicidal tendencies

01:18:40and the structures don't want it

01:18:43we ask

01:18:44that a structure

01:18:46an RSA

01:18:47may come to meet

01:18:50to this lady

01:18:51even if she

01:18:52during the moment of crisis

01:18:54of senile dementia

01:18:56he says it

01:18:57he wants to kill himself

01:18:58but in reality

01:18:59he says it because

01:19:01he's not feeling well in his head

01:19:04a few days ago

01:19:05Emiliano Milza's mother

01:19:06from the hospital

01:19:07it was transferred

01:19:08in a structure

01:19:09who accepted

01:19:10to keep it

01:19:11for a month

01:19:12a temporary solution

01:19:14but in the meantime

01:19:15the problem

01:19:16for relatives

01:19:17remains

01:19:17if not Asciarelli

01:19:18my sister-in-law Pina will fix me up

01:19:20Please

01:19:21because he really needs it

01:19:22we can't keep it at home

01:19:24if not I'd gladly keep it

01:19:28look at Gianfranco

01:19:29we left

01:19:30this final appeal

01:19:31with Paola Grazo

01:19:32to make you laugh

01:19:34because she

01:19:34in short at a certain point

01:19:36he tells me

01:19:36give me a hand

01:19:38but the story is dramatic

01:19:39this man looks just like

01:19:40the bad guy

01:19:40No?

01:19:41no he is really

01:19:41the devil himself

01:19:42the devil himself

01:19:43but how did you know?

01:19:45who had been arrested

01:19:47for the murder of his partner?

01:19:48he called us

01:19:49in the morning

01:19:50of the arrest

01:19:51he called us

01:19:52the nephew

01:19:52of the Pina

01:19:53because according to the rules

01:19:54the carabinieri

01:19:55they asked him

01:19:55a telephone number

01:19:57and if you look

01:19:58he says

01:19:59they arrested Emiliano

01:20:01it is not known

01:20:02for what reason

01:20:03they are doing it to him

01:20:05the search

01:20:06he's not at home

01:20:07the Pina

01:20:08it was transferred

01:20:09to the hospital

01:20:09of Santa Maria Nova

01:20:10to the emergency room

01:20:11and the child

01:20:13in a protected structure

01:20:14for minors

01:20:15there it is

01:20:16Like this

01:20:16and then you found out

01:20:18that it was about

01:20:18of a murder

01:20:19yes, it was known afterwards

01:20:20oh sure

01:20:22but then

01:20:23I would like to make you understand

01:20:24to our viewers

01:20:25No?

01:20:25sometimes

01:20:26we're talking to you

01:20:26of families

01:20:27we talked first

01:20:28by Valentina

01:20:29killed by her husband

01:20:30because they wanted to separate

01:20:31but think

01:20:31what a life

01:20:32he did

01:20:33Mrs. Pina

01:20:34with this son

01:20:35bad

01:20:37even towards him

01:20:38not only

01:20:39always then

01:20:40for the problems

01:20:40of money

01:20:41look what

01:20:42Mom said

01:20:44you have to take a shit

01:20:46all the money

01:20:46of the pension

01:20:47mom

01:20:49how absurd

01:20:51told to a mother

01:20:51No?

01:20:52that is, this one here

01:20:52he could go to work

01:20:53but then it continues

01:20:54this

01:20:55that he threw it away

01:20:56in the hole

01:20:57he didn't put dad

01:20:59the wickedness

01:21:00that a child is coming

01:21:01to tell a mother

01:21:0381 years old

01:21:05no terrible

01:21:06then there is

01:21:06and among other things

01:21:07he treated badly

01:21:08the son too

01:21:09which seemed

01:21:10had wanted

01:21:11this son

01:21:12No?

01:21:12we hear

01:21:12how it is addressed

01:21:13there is audio I think

01:21:14of this too

01:21:14yes to the son

01:21:18you move mongoloid

01:21:19Look

01:21:20look at a couple

01:21:21of balls

01:21:21not crawling

01:21:23deficient mongoloid

01:21:24you move

01:21:24what did you do?

01:21:25mom

01:21:26a saw

01:21:27you gave trust

01:21:28to that head

01:21:28of dick

01:21:29of your husband

01:21:30don't defend him

01:21:31so much

01:21:31because if I go

01:21:32there in that hole

01:21:33shitty

01:21:33the bullet

01:21:34from that

01:21:34shit box

01:21:37At that time

01:21:37must

01:21:39help you

01:21:39No?

01:21:40actually

01:21:40you have to find

01:21:41a structure

01:21:41for Mrs. Pina

01:21:42and this son

01:21:44of course you can't

01:21:46take care of it yourselves

01:21:47Perhaps

01:21:48No

01:21:48Mr. Sciarelli

01:21:49the problem is that

01:21:51my wife and I

01:21:51there is a certain age

01:21:52I am 70 years old

01:21:53my wife

01:21:544 years younger

01:21:55then we have

01:21:56the house

01:21:57small

01:21:58and so we

01:22:00they won't give it to us

01:22:02because we are

01:22:02I told her

01:22:03we are too old

01:22:06it is not asked

01:22:08a help

01:22:09Meaning what

01:22:10then Mrs. Pina

01:22:11you need to unlock

01:22:13this pension of his

01:22:14because it's absurd

01:22:15that it is

01:22:15no there is all the data

01:22:18where are there

01:22:19the money

01:22:19of the pension

01:22:20why Emiliano

01:22:21tell you this too

01:22:22he sent us

01:22:23March 2nd

01:22:24a letter

01:22:26from prison

01:22:27from Soldiciano

01:22:27where he begged us

01:22:29clasped hands

01:22:30to help

01:22:31the mother

01:22:32and the child

01:22:34after all

01:22:35who has combined

01:22:36he had the courage

01:22:37Also

01:22:38to send us a letter

01:22:40but you Gianfranco

01:22:41you told him

01:22:41give us a pension

01:22:43of your mother

01:22:43where do you have it?

01:22:44I don't tell him

01:22:45not even written

01:22:46Certain

01:22:47but

01:22:47I think

01:22:48That

01:22:48now we will talk

01:22:50even with lawyers

01:22:50that he said

01:22:51for anything

01:22:53these are the names

01:22:53of my lawyers

01:22:54talk to them

01:22:55they will not be told

01:22:57Certain

01:22:57but you have to find

01:22:58a structure

01:22:59for this woman

01:23:00that really

01:23:00he suffered

01:23:01so much

01:23:02if he answers the letter

01:23:05say hello to us

01:23:06dearly

01:23:06on my part

01:23:07he's talking to you

01:23:08thanks to Mangani

01:23:10All right

01:23:11Thank you

01:23:12thanks to Gianfranco

01:23:13because then

01:23:13she said

01:23:14something important

01:23:16this father thing

01:23:17which is all

01:23:17to be verified

01:23:18at this point

01:23:19it all needs to be verified

01:23:21thanks to Gianfranco

01:23:22thanks Lilla

01:23:22to you

01:23:22At that time

01:23:23I wanted to connect

01:23:25with ours

01:23:26Nessi Guerra

01:23:27Why

01:23:29last week

01:23:31we told you

01:23:32which was at risk

01:23:33the prison

01:23:34here it is

01:23:35Connections

01:23:35At that time

01:23:37actually

01:23:38the prison

01:23:39you still risk it

01:23:40that is, it was

01:23:40postponed

01:23:41of a week

01:23:42the hearing

01:23:42so we

01:23:43we are here

01:23:45because we want

01:23:46raise awareness anyway

01:23:47public opinion too

01:23:49to everyone

01:23:49because next Tuesday

01:23:51there is this hearing

01:23:52halter

01:23:52and you risk

01:23:53the prison

01:23:54it's like this

01:23:55no Nessi

01:23:57Exactly

01:23:57actually

01:23:58he told me

01:23:59today the lawyer

01:24:00which has been postponed

01:24:02as of March 31st

01:24:03so we still have

01:24:04a little bit of time

01:24:05however the risk

01:24:06that I may finish

01:24:07in prison

01:24:08it's very tall

01:24:09and this is

01:24:10let's have my say

01:24:11greatest fear

01:24:12Why

01:24:13I have already lived

01:24:14prison in Egypt

01:24:16for only two days

01:24:17and I know what it means

01:24:18I know how terrible it is

01:24:20And

01:24:22especially also

01:24:23the thought

01:24:24of having to separate

01:24:25from my little girl

01:24:26it's a thing

01:24:27that's what I'm looking for

01:24:28wearing out

01:24:28and it seems absurd to me

01:24:31That

01:24:31it's us

01:24:32those who

01:24:33we have to hide

01:24:34while he

01:24:35In short

01:24:36who has all these convictions

01:24:37which should be paid

01:24:38he is at large

01:24:40and continues to torment us

01:24:41and if he

01:24:42was serving

01:24:43In short

01:24:44his convictions

01:24:45we won't be here now

01:24:47I didn't want to ask you

01:24:48but then someone

01:24:49he said

01:24:50if you give me some money

01:24:51let's change the statement

01:24:52because the problem

01:24:53it's that you're on trial

01:24:54for adultery

01:24:55For

01:24:55from the

01:24:57that's all

01:24:58he did everything

01:24:59Tamer

01:25:00he's the one who accused you

01:25:01someone said

01:25:03I change the

01:25:03version

01:25:06No

01:25:06for now

01:25:07there have been

01:25:08more than anything else

01:25:08of threats

01:25:09on the part precisely

01:25:10by Tamer

01:25:11where he tells me

01:25:13That

01:25:13if I

01:25:14I'm not going back with him

01:25:15he practically

01:25:16he will make me

01:25:17a thousand more complaints

01:25:19he will make me

01:25:19rot in jail

01:25:20while if instead

01:25:21I am willing

01:25:22to go back with him

01:25:23he will erase me

01:25:25the sentence

01:25:26and so on

01:25:27he won't let me finish

01:25:28in prison

01:25:29it will save me from prison

01:25:30and these in short

01:25:31they are accusations

01:25:32that is, in short

01:25:33of threats

01:25:33very serious

01:25:34that we received

01:25:35and I have already provided

01:25:38these threats

01:25:39to my lawyers

01:25:40which among other things

01:25:40thank you very much

01:25:41because these days

01:25:42they are working

01:25:43day and night

01:25:44for this cause

01:25:46and so on

01:25:48they are doing

01:25:49the possible

01:25:50Here you are

01:25:50listen to Nessi

01:25:51among other things

01:25:51him

01:25:52I don't have to say

01:25:53that promises us

01:25:53even some money

01:25:54to us

01:25:55he says with the compensation

01:25:56of years

01:25:57that I will have

01:25:57from the Italian State

01:25:58but it's not clear

01:25:59who should give it to him

01:26:00this money

01:26:00in short, him

01:26:01one would like to put

01:26:02agree with us

01:26:02I don't know if we have it

01:26:04on video

01:26:04why does he tell me

01:26:04Valentina Pellegrino

01:26:06which follows the case

01:26:06with Vittorio Romano

01:26:08who showed up

01:26:09with the net

01:26:10can we see it?

01:26:15Good morning everyone

01:26:16believers

01:26:17I am Jesus Christ

01:26:20and for those who haven't followed

01:26:21the latest videos

01:26:24and I invite him to look

01:26:26the contract

01:26:27which I signed

01:26:28Friday, March 13

01:26:302026

01:26:30to whom I donated

01:26:32to the Lord

01:26:33to the Almighty

01:26:34Creator of the Heavens

01:26:35of the Earth

01:26:36and of all of us

01:26:37all your adoration

01:26:39and I gave up

01:26:40to be a God

01:26:41apart from Him

01:26:42to give me a little

01:26:44At that time

01:26:44I am Jesus Christ

01:26:46I would say

01:26:47to place

01:26:48a limit

01:26:49an end

01:26:50a final word

01:26:51we don't know

01:26:52eh

01:26:53Connections

01:26:54but it was like that

01:26:54when she

01:26:55I have to say

01:26:55watch these videos

01:26:58he sends us

01:27:00video

01:27:00email

01:27:01it's a continuation

01:27:02among other things

01:27:03I read them all

01:27:04why it amazes me

01:27:05Tamer amazes me

01:27:07Truly

01:27:07every time

01:27:08this fact too

01:27:09which is willing

01:27:10to divide the money

01:27:11of his compensation

01:27:12of years

01:27:13with whoever saw it

01:27:14and then

01:27:15Connections

01:27:16we'll see each other

01:27:16every week

01:27:17why we seek

01:27:18to make you come back

01:27:20here in Italy

01:27:20with your little girl

01:27:21because it really is

01:27:22absurd

01:27:22that you owed yourself

01:27:24car seize

01:27:25alone

01:27:26and then

01:27:27March 31st

01:27:29anyway there is a little

01:27:29of time

01:27:30but let's hope

01:27:31which instead

01:27:31return to Italy

01:27:32Before

01:27:32Hi Nessi

01:27:34thank you dear

01:27:35A thousand thanks

01:27:37At that time

01:27:37the story of Nessi

01:27:38war

01:27:38everyone

01:27:39you know her

01:27:40and it's absurd

01:27:42but that

01:27:42still remain

01:27:43in Egypt

01:27:44we will see each other

01:27:44immediately after

01:27:45this short break

01:27:46thank you all

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