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00:00I told you that there are many cases, but of course we can't not talk about Emanuele Orlandi and Mirella
00:06Gregory
00:07after this filing that affected everyone.
00:09So Peter is with us, if you can come with me, Peter is at home now.
00:17We can also provide the service, sorry Stefano.
00:20So I, Peter, if you agree, before giving you the floor, anyway, we, well, we have some papers now
00:27we are read,
00:28I don't know about you, last time we were in a hurry, I have to say, it hit this family group, yours and that one
00:33by Mirella Gregori
00:35but we understood that in reality, well, this line that was going towards the Magliana gang
00:42it actually bore fruit, there were many feedbacks, but not only that, you have to think that they were
00:48listen to some people
00:49they were under wiretapping like Carminati, you Carminati know it, then after Pignatone arrived, he was arrested
00:55for this investigation, the middle world, the world above, the world below, but in short, we want to know
01:01but since these people had been intercepted after we fought
01:05because the phone call about De Pedis had arrived and therefore they were talking about the Magliana gang
01:10but all these lines of inquiry that have been opened by the case of Emanuele Orlandi and Mirella Gregori
01:16What happened to them? Because at this point, obviously, we'll try to figure it out with you.
01:22So, with Francesco Paolo del Re and Paolo Fattori and Goffredo De Pascale, but let's go back there
01:28because it's an important thing, then we discovered it, and it doesn't only concern Manuela
01:32but another child has disappeared and apparently no one wants to take care of him
01:36think that yesterday it was 40 years for Ottavia di Luise
01:39who was taken by adult bandits, abused, killed and hidden
01:46and there is another child, his name is Bruno Romano and nobody wants to think about him
01:49but we found something important, let's see
02:15Marco Accetti accused himself of organizing the kidnappings of Emanuele Orlandi and Mirella Gregori
02:21After investigating his revelations, the Rome prosecutor's office requests the case be closed.
02:26because no elements have emerged to confirm his version
02:29for the magistrate Marco Accetti he is a subject eager to take centre stage
02:34and the story he told is the result of a screenplay work
02:39the man with the flute, the Pied Piper, therefore lied according to the prosecution
02:43he is a liar and for this reason he is being ordered to register
02:48of a new criminal proceeding for the crimes of slander and self-slander
02:53therefore the Rome prosecutor's office today does not believe Marco Accetti's stories
02:57but the Rome prosecutor's office itself believed him when in 1983
03:01he said he had run over a child without realizing it and without wanting to
03:06in the pine forest of Ostia
03:07and what if she had kidnapped him as her mother always claimed?
03:11Did you accept my son?
03:14There is no other hypothesis
03:16anyway he was tried three times
03:20even knowing, being absolutely sure
03:25that he kidnapped and killed my son
03:29nothing can be done
03:32this man is free
03:37I'm not seeking revenge
03:38but there are other children
03:43Let's go back to Marco Accetti's past
03:47It's the month of November 1983
03:50a boy named Stefano is walking on Corso Vittorio
03:54Marco Accetti approaches him
03:56and suggests that he follow him to his studio to take some photographs
04:01he says he could make a lot of money
04:03Stefano replies that he has to ask permission from his father who works nearby
04:07You accept at this point, don't follow him and go away
04:12he said, you know, some journalists stopped me, some things
04:16he says because they took pictures of me, some things
04:19to raise people today and here in the year
04:21and I also told him right away, look, you won't give these things away.
04:25because if it was an interesting thing
04:28he came to me and asked me for permission
04:30and I tore up his number
04:32you have to give these people
04:34because these are people who go around
04:35strange people that then when you are there
04:38he has no photograph of it
04:40but who knows what other things are
04:45a month later another boy, José Garramón
04:48he leaves the house to go to the barber
04:50we are at the EUR
04:51and is found near death at the side of the road
04:54in a place it should never have been
04:57in the pine forest of Ostia
04:58it's impossible to think of my son in Ostia
05:03for me it's 30 kilometers
05:05I don't know how many kilometers it is though
05:11I've been trying to understand for 30 years
05:15José was hit
05:18that same night
05:19in the pine forest
05:20a man and a woman are arrested
05:23the man is Marco Accetti
05:24and it was he who killed the child
05:26Accetti immediately supports
05:28that it was a car accident
05:30little José, he, he would have run over him
05:32without even realizing it
05:34I thought it was a stone
05:36or a tree
05:37but he didn't realize
05:40who was a child
05:44and instead he's just a child
05:46but what is a child doing alone?
05:49so far from home
05:50how he got to the pine forest
05:52investigating Marco Accetti
05:54his habit comes out
05:55in searching insistently
05:57the approach with adolescents
05:59with whom he made contact
06:00with extreme ease
06:02Marco Accetti is accused
06:04of having kidnapped and then killed
06:06little José Garramon
06:07it was believed
06:09we read in the trial documents
06:10that you accept for unspeakable purposes
06:13had induced the boy
06:14to follow him into the pine forest
06:15José had tried to walk away
06:18perhaps to seek help
06:19or in any case to not submit
06:20to Accetti's wishes
06:22at this point
06:23Marco Accetti
06:24for fear of having to explain
06:26the reason why he had induced
06:27the boy to follow him
06:28he had deliberately run over him
06:31he was a beautiful child
06:36and he worked
06:38he worked
06:39he pretended he was working
06:41with his father on the Laurentina
06:43he saw my son
06:50and she liked it
06:55despite all the inconsistencies that have emerged
06:57Marco Accetti's version
06:58is believed
06:59and at the end of the process
07:01the evidence is not considered sufficient
07:03to support the accusation
07:04although José's presence in the pine forest
07:07and his murder
07:08remain a mystery without explanation
07:10the Rome prosecutor's office
07:11Marco Accetti acquits
07:12from the crime of kidnapping
07:14for the purpose of pedophilia
07:15and only condemns him
07:17for manslaughter
07:18and failure to provide assistance
07:22two years
07:23to kill a child
07:25Exactly
07:26only two years in prison
07:28to leave free
07:30a man
07:31who can do these things
07:33other children
07:34Why
07:37the other boy's father
07:39stopped by Marco Accetti
07:40comment like this
07:41imagine that Stefano
07:43he was taken by a thousand
07:45from these people
07:46here
07:46it comes to my skin
07:49just thinking about it
07:50I thank God
07:51that I still have Stefano
07:53that's all
07:55Here you are
07:55and it could have been okay
07:57of things
07:58Stefano could have been there
08:01for the judges
08:02to turn off forever
08:03the life of José Garramón
08:04it was a simple
08:06road accident
08:07and his family
08:08destroyed by pain
08:09they return to their country
08:11Uruguay
08:12without having had justice
08:14and after what happens
08:16Marco Accetti
08:17is forgotten by the press
08:19but the investigators
08:20they come back again
08:21to take care of him
08:22the Rome prosecutor's office
08:24in fact investigates
08:25on Accept
08:25also for another disappearance
08:27and this is one element
08:29never made known until now
08:32in 1997
08:33Marco Accetti
08:34he is reported
08:35from an anonymous source
08:36because responsible
08:37of the disappearance
08:38two years ago
08:39of another child
08:40him too
08:4112 years like José
08:42and him too
08:43kidnapped at Christmas
08:45this child
08:46his name is Bruno Romano
08:47and at the moment
08:48of his disappearance
08:49he lived with his parents
08:50in a caravan
08:51at the bridge of the valleys
08:53a few hundred meters away
08:54from Accetti's house
08:57Bruno and José
08:58two little boys
08:59with a carefree air
09:01lively
09:01both beautiful
09:03they don't just have
09:04the same age
09:05strikes
09:06their similarity
09:07impressive
09:08same long hair
09:09same smile
09:10simple coincidences
09:13also on the disappearance
09:15by Bruno
09:15the shadow looms
09:16of pedophilia
09:17and for him too
09:18we talked
09:19of the pine forest of Ostia
09:20in a phone call
09:21arrived
09:22to the secretary
09:23of those who saw it
09:23a woman said
09:25I saw a scene
09:26terrifying
09:27the child
09:28is dead
09:28in a horrible way
09:29in another phone call
09:31an anonymous person
09:32he claims to know
09:33that Bruno
09:34he was killed
09:35and his body
09:36it would have been
09:37buried
09:37right in the pine forest
09:38of Ostia
09:39among those same ones
09:40trees
09:41he had found
09:42death
09:42even the little one
09:43José Garramón
09:44and look
09:46what can be found
09:47on the site
09:48by Marco Accetti
09:49this photo
09:50it's titled
09:50leave the bodies
09:52and we want to show you
09:54even a scene
09:55of one of the films
09:56filmed by Marco Accetti
09:57the burial
09:58of a little boy
09:59between two trees
10:00an Arab
10:02he was on a bench
10:04and a little boy
10:06he told him
10:07Entagus
10:08Entagus
10:11the old Arab
10:14the
10:16he went out
10:20and buried him
10:22between these two shadows
10:25and told him
10:28with your body
10:31you would have made them happy
10:32the little girls
10:34and poor
10:35your mom
10:36who thought
10:37for you
10:38a life
10:39give
10:44obsessions
10:45for the violence
10:46suffered as a child
10:47they're talking about
10:48to the investigators
10:48his ex-girlfriend
10:49and his relatives
10:50or is it reality
10:52in the request
10:53of archiving
10:54for Orlandi and Gregori
10:55the public prosecutor
10:56he writes
10:56it does not appear
10:57that the investigations
10:58carried out in order
10:59to the disappearance
10:59of the minor Bruno Romano
11:01have had any outcome
11:02or that it has emerged
11:03some elements
11:04of feedback
11:05as stated
11:06from the anonymous source
11:07what does it mean
11:08it was thoroughly investigated
11:10on the disappearance
11:11of little Bruno
11:11and it can't be done
11:13continue to investigate
11:14Bruno Romano
11:15he's a gypsy
11:16and for this
11:17that to no one
11:18it doesn't matter at all
11:19he doesn't have it too
11:20right to be searched
11:23but what happened
11:24is dead
11:24this child
11:25it is not known
11:26but how many children
11:27they leave Rome
11:32and look at these other photos
11:33among the many published
11:34on the internet you accept
11:36it really seems like it
11:37the nomad camp
11:38where Bruno Romano lived
11:41after Marco Accetti
11:42he was acquitted
11:43for Garramon
11:44How come
11:44no work was done
11:45in depth on Bruno Romano
11:46and why
11:48there is no work on it now
11:49instead of accusing
11:50You only accept
11:51of slander
11:51and self-slander
11:53time was wasted
11:54to listen
11:55for hours and hours
11:56Marco Accetti
11:56that was going
11:57and he was returning from the prosecutor's office
11:58before the discovery
12:00of the flute though
12:00two disturbing people arrive
12:02anonymous letters
12:02to his sister
12:03by Mirella Gregori
12:04and to a friend
12:05by Emanuela Orlandi
12:07in
12:08hair
12:09soil
12:10and pieces of cloth
12:11and an abstruse message
12:13which refers to
12:14to two beautiful blackberries
12:15to a baroness
12:16to martyrdom
12:17of Saint Agnes
12:17to send those letters
12:20it has always been
12:20Marco Accetti
12:21he can prove it
12:23a graphological assessment
12:26we can check
12:27if there are any
12:28some similarities
12:29and compatibilities
12:31that allow
12:32not to exclude
12:33that eventually
12:35You accept
12:35it was
12:36the writer
12:36of this letter
12:37anonymous
12:38Surely
12:38it can't be
12:39due
12:39to no fact
12:40imitative
12:45Maria Laura
12:46José Garramon's mother
12:47it doesn't stop
12:48because they don't forget
12:49their children
12:50if that's your case too
12:52will be archived
12:52she will go to ask for justice
12:54up to Strasbourg
12:55for his son
12:56and they will go on
12:57even family members
12:58by Mirella
12:59and Emanuela
12:59I am precisely
13:00the nephew
13:01by Mirella Gregori
13:03I think that
13:03the pleasure I
13:04to meet my aunt
13:05I've never had it
13:06why I was born
13:07after it happened
13:08the whole thing
13:08but I think that
13:10now after 32 years
13:11since that fateful day
13:13an answer
13:14about what happened
13:15really
13:16to my aunt
13:16is due
13:17for us family members
13:18we are young
13:19and we have not known
13:20neither I
13:21Aunt Emanuela
13:21nor Mirella
13:23no one gives up here
13:25Therefore
13:26now they are fighting
13:27but we will fight afterwards
13:32one last thing
13:34to close
13:35Archiving
13:35the prosecutor's office has decided
13:36but
13:37from the wiretaps
13:38and the conversations
13:39of adjacent characters
13:40to the Magliana gang
13:42included
13:42Massimo Carminati
13:43something important
13:45it came out
13:46textual words
13:47of the prosecution
13:48it is highlighted
13:49like the listening activity
13:50of subjects
13:51linked in the past
13:52or belonging to
13:53of the Magliana gang
13:54brought
13:55at birth
13:56of numerous criminal proceedings
13:57for criminal hypotheses
13:59that go
14:00from criminal association
14:01to wear and tear
14:01to thefts
14:02from the scam
14:03to recycling
14:05before the phone call
14:07arrived at our program
14:08on De Pedis
14:08and on the Basilica
14:09of Saint Pollinaris
14:10these men
14:11evidently
14:12they could act
14:13undisturbed
14:17In short
14:18what they did
14:18Then
14:19they did
14:20then over the years
14:21according to these interceptions
14:23Look
14:24us of course
14:25we are doing now
14:26the opposition
14:27with the lawyers
14:27so we are reading
14:28all the cards
14:29and I have to say
14:30which is mind-blowing
14:31the fact
14:32that it can be
14:32to archive
14:33this investigation
14:34with all the elements
14:35clues that there are
14:36at your expense
14:37of the suspects
14:39they were not
14:40in-depth
14:40it's like leaving
14:41a half-way thing
14:42that is decided
14:43at a certain point
14:43Enough
14:44we can't go any further
14:45then when there is
14:46a victim
14:47the first investigations
14:48should be done
14:49in the environment
14:49of the victim
14:50Unfortunately
14:51in Emanuela's case
14:52in the Vatican
14:53it was not done
14:53no investigation
14:54apart from friends
14:55you wrote
14:56to Mattarella
14:56the President
14:57he said
14:57a crime
14:58it is not archived
14:59Exactly
15:00you can't
15:01to archive
15:01a crime
15:02also because
15:02Emanuela
15:02Mirella
15:03all the missing
15:04of which we have
15:05spoken before
15:05they are not pieces
15:06paper
15:06where to put it
15:08a stamp
15:08to archive
15:08and forget
15:09they are people
15:10and where you manifest
15:12Peter
15:12we do
15:13in the meantime this
15:13petition
15:14for things
15:14that we can
15:15let's do it ourselves
15:15this petition
15:16you can join
15:17on the site
15:17www.emanuelaorlandi.it
15:20to the President
15:21of the Council
15:22Superior
15:22of the Judiciary
15:23Sergio Mattarella
15:24and tomorrow
15:26and the day after tomorrow
15:27we will be in front
15:27to the Prosecutor's Office
15:28at Piazzale Clodio
15:29from 10.30
15:30at half past twelve
15:31this thanks
15:31Truly
15:32to the initiative
15:33of the others
15:34because until recently
15:34ago it was us
15:35family members
15:36to take initiatives
15:37towards
15:38they are the others
15:38that immediately
15:39they put themselves
15:40in contact
15:40with us
15:40because they wanted
15:41do something
15:41because they didn't think so
15:43Right
15:43and they did
15:44these two
15:45appointments
15:46before the Prosecutor's Office
15:46and then there will be
15:48the 14th
15:48as I said
15:49the other time
15:49June 14th
15:51this procession
15:52where not only
15:53Emanuela and Mirella
15:54but they are invited
15:55all family members
15:56of missing persons
15:57why missing people
15:59you must never
15:59forget them
16:00none
16:01we always say it
16:02as long as there is
16:02a person
16:03in the land of the disappeared
16:04we will be here
16:04next to them
16:06one more time
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