00:00The book called Banda della Magliana is its second edition and is written by Otello Lupacchini.
00:05Otello Lupacchini is a magistrate who has long investigated the crimes and intrigues of the Magliana Gang.
00:12It is important to see what is written under the title.
00:16Alliances, alliances between mafiosi, terrorists, spies, politicians and prelates.
00:22Otello Lupacchini, whom we naturally felt not as a writer but as a magistrate,
00:28was interviewed by Fiore De Rienzo, he explains to us that the justice system, and a magistrate tells us this,
00:34had stopped and that no one encouraged him to get it going again.
00:40And then he also explains to us that criminals, from mafiosi to common criminals, were used for higher purposes
00:49that does not exchange operations and favors, however with very specific projects.
00:55Fiore De Rienzo interviewed Otello Lupacchini.
01:04In the history of the Unitary State, we could say, but certainly in the history of the Italian Republic
01:14and in any case in the final phase of the Second World War we saw the use of the mafia
01:25of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra by the American army to enter the interior of Sicily
01:33and begin the march towards Rome.
01:36We reviewed organized crime, used during what we know as a bourgeois coup.
01:48We have seen her return to the scene in events such as the attack on Rosone
01:54which took place within a war that did not only concern financial power, banks,
02:03but it was also about the control of communications, the control of knowledge, of understanding.
02:15We have seen it somehow called into question, even if this cannot be proven.
02:23in cases such as that of Emanuele Orlandi, for example, where they want to drag her in at all costs
02:31and consequently, since we cannot think that organised crime was the protagonist
02:40and we have to assume that it was somehow used by others
02:45to whom that protagonism rightfully belongs.
02:49However, for the moment what interests us most is Enrico De Pedis, Renatino,
02:57especially with regards to this singular story of his burial in the Basilica of Santa Pollinare.
03:04I do not enter into the evaluations that are up to men of the Church.
03:12I limit myself to noting what the men of the Church who have allowed
03:19or who tolerate the presence of that tomb in that Church they say,
03:29They say that De Pedis converted.
03:34Now from a faith point of view I won't get into the merits.
03:40Looking at the situation with the disenchanted eyes of the layman
03:45I can simply say that his was an excessively eventful exitus
03:53and it was not the martyr's exitus.
03:57She told a news agency that she considers this burial a memento for someone.
04:06What did he mean?
04:07I can only give interpretations, obviously I don't know the reasons why he was buried,
04:16but surely having such a cumbersome corpse in one's own appurtenances
04:23It certainly reminds someone of something.
04:30Patta servanda sunt.
04:34There may have been some agreements, but we don't know what kind of agreements.
04:39However, we know that there were other relations between the vicariate and the gang besides the burial.
04:48And I am referring to the sale of the Osio villa where it has currently been allocated after the seizure and confiscation
05:00the jazz house was a villa owned by the vicariate or at least attributable to the vicariate
05:10which was sold for a price at least declared much lower than its real value,
05:20of what the real value was at the time of sale,
05:23the person was later convicted of having been part of the Magliana gang.
05:31Let's talk about Nicoletti.
05:33Certain.
05:34This is the villa that Judge Lupacchini is talking about.
05:37It was confiscated in 1994 from Enrico Nicoletti, considered the treasurer of the Magliana gang.
05:44The seizure involved assets worth 500 billion lire at the time.
05:48The villa was built in the late 1930s for Arturo Osio, one of the founders of the Banca Nazionale del
05:55Work.
05:55It then changed hands several times, becoming the property of the vicariate of Rome
05:59who finally sold it to Nicoletti for 400 million lire.
06:04A ridiculously low price for an estate with 25,000 square meters of parkland,
06:10without considering the value of the properties.
06:12The lowest estimate is 21 billion lire.
06:16Recently assigned to the municipality of Rome, it has become the home of jazz,
06:20with auditorium, recording rooms, documentation center.
06:24A curious detail.
06:26This fresco from the 1930s was repainted by Enrico Nicoletti.
06:31New characters had been introduced, his family, his friends,
06:35and Nicoletti himself, in the foreground.
06:38Let's talk about the vicariate, while Cardinal Poletti was vicar of Rome.
06:42Certain.
06:43And this brings us back to another anonymous message that we received,
06:49which we have already talked about.
06:50Someone who says, to understand the mystery of the disappearance of Emanuele Orlandi,
06:56refer to the favor that Renatino had done for Poletti.
07:01What could he have meant?
07:02I don't know what he might have meant.
07:07I limited myself to saying that between the vicariate run by Poletti and the Magliana gang
07:13there had been other reports.
07:17Cardinal Poletti had also been at the centre of other singular events.
07:23For example, he had been included in the list of prelates belonging to the Vatican Grand Lodge,
07:34Masonic lodge, which, according to this list, were:
07:41Among the members, in addition to other cardinals, were also Vergari and Marcinkus.
07:50So, undoubtedly, the problem here widens and reaches,
07:58if it were true, we would get to Iorri.
08:01But we are still in the realm of pure hypotheses.
08:05We could then look at going through Iorri
08:09to the wounding of Rosone by Abbruciati,
08:15who was certainly a good friend of De Pedis.
08:20On April 27, 1982, in Milan, Danilo Abbruciati shot Roberto Rosone,
08:26vice president of Banco Ambrosiano,
08:28but only managing to hurt him,
08:30and was killed in turn by the reaction of a security guard.
08:34It immediately seemed strange that a leader of Abbruciati's caliber
08:37he personally went to carry out an attack.
08:40Probably the fact that I went there personally
08:44it could arise from the importance of the client
08:47and the need to share the initiative with as few people as possible.
08:55The attack comes at a very heated moment
08:58of the events of Banco Ambrosiano, chaired by Roberto Calvi.
09:01At the time when the president of that bank
09:05he was in the eye of the storm following a previous arrest he suffered
09:10one year earlier for capital exports abroad
09:14and at the time when the battle for control of that bank was raging
09:20who had had some relationship with the Iordico and Marcinkus
09:24which appeared in the same list spread by a certain Pecorelli
09:31who in turn did not die in his bed.
09:36So there's a whole series of events
09:38which I at least allow myself to define as singular
09:43beyond the criminal records.
09:47The new edition of Otello Lupacchini's book
09:49It closes with an afterword by Monsignor Brunero Ghirardini
09:53canon of St. Peter's and professor of ecumenism at the Lateran University.
09:58It concludes like this
09:59When the priest does something that is not directly attributable
10:04to his condition and mission as a priest
10:07will be able to benefit personally from it
10:10but in general it is a disaster for the Church and for civil society.
10:18Something strange happened to us and of course we want to tell you about it too.
10:23Last Friday we received a letter
10:26a letter that arrived at our offices but outside
10:28it was not delivered to us personally
10:30there is an acronym but for us it is an anonymous letter
10:32because it's not clear who wrote an acronym.
10:36In this letter they write to us that we have smeared
10:39the name of Enrico De Pedis known as Renatino
10:44I'll read you a passage
10:45this letter is written
10:47It was fun for you to tarnish the memory of people like Renatino
10:51and others who can no longer defend themselves
10:53I know the procedural documents
10:55and you stuck to those
10:58by cowards
10:59because you know well that if you stick to the procedural documents
11:02a nice complaint is avoided
11:04but are you really sure that's the truth?
11:08the letter continues like this
11:09no one ever had any doubts
11:11that anyone who has committed a crime
11:13be questioned during a trial
11:15he can easily exonerate himself
11:17accusing those who are dead and those who can no longer defend themselves
11:21then he talks about the repentants
11:23saying that there are some infamous repentants
11:26who accuse dead people
11:28and he still says that we put the monster on the front page
11:32or rather in prime time
11:34he also says those monsters created by you
11:36I repeat, they have rights.
11:38because first of all they are men
11:39as their family members have the same rights
11:42who have not been able to live peacefully for years
11:44I was telling you
11:45we don't know who is telling us
11:46that we have tarnished Renatino's name
11:49maybe a family member
11:50but taking up what he writes
11:53there are different truths
11:56he tells us in practice
11:57if there are different truths
12:00we are here
12:01and we are ready to listen
12:03anonymously
12:04but also not anonymously
12:06and to know if there are any facts
12:08names that we don't yet know
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