00:01Let's start our chat.
00:03Yes, yes, yes.
00:05It's almost Christmas 25th.
00:09Listen, Emanuele, it's true.
00:11We've been through a lot.
00:14And we continue.
00:17Until one fine day comes, a piece of news,
00:21let us always hope.
00:23He tells me about his first Christmas.
00:25Well, the first Christmas was very sad, for goodness sake.
00:29Yes, the table was set with a dish from Emanuele,
00:34always present for several years.
00:37Always with the wait.
00:38I remember that the Holy Father came here to pay a visit,
00:44Papa Coitiva, and brought a basket.
00:49Everything that...
00:50I say, then, we will leave this basket when Emanuele arrives,
00:53always waiting for Emanuele who had to return.
00:56And this basket has been around for a long time, eh.
01:00Closed, sealed.
01:02Then, in the end,
01:05It was useless for this basket to wait for Emanuele.
01:08This is how our meeting with Maria Orlandi began.
01:12It ended with looking at old photos of the daughter
01:15which he saw grow only to the threshold of adolescence.
01:18Emanuele was 15 when she disappeared.
01:21And even today we ask ourselves why and who created the case.
01:27Built.
01:28From this interview new details emerge, as you will hear, disconcerting,
01:33which suggest the possibility that someone, in contact with the family,
01:38provided particular information regarding the girl's life,
01:41to those who ambiguously claimed responsibility for his kidnapping,
01:45to those who implied that they had had contact with her,
01:48of having learned news that only Emanuele could have given.
01:52Pierluigi, for example,
01:54the young man who spoke on the phone with Mario Meneguzzi,
01:57Emanuele's uncle, a few days after his disappearance.
02:00Among other things, he implied that the girl would return in September.
02:04because he wanted to play the flute at his sister's wedding.
02:09The fact that Pierluigi knew Emanuele's little secret
02:13he always credited him as credible.
02:16Yes, here at the corner of Sant'Anna we were a whole group,
02:20a mother I know well too,
02:23and then I say, ah, you know that Emanuele has to play,
02:26I'm always the same, it has to ring,
02:30when he marries Natalina,
02:33the Ave Maria will ring, something...
02:35But was this before or after the phone call came?
02:38No, Emanuele was at home then.
02:40Were you in front of the church of Sant'Anna here?
02:43There were three or four of us, friends, yes.
02:44Three or four friends who in front of the...
02:46Yes, then the gendarme is that distance up to the...
02:50not so far from the church...
02:52There was also a gendarme...
02:53There was a movement, there is a movement, you know,
02:55there were also the gendarmes...
02:57We're talking about an effect...
02:59And what was she saying then?
03:01But in the meantime I say yes, she's good, she goes to music school,
03:06then this desire, this royal wants,
03:10without saying anything to Natalino, an improviser.
03:13And lo and behold, the first phone call that comes in,
03:18after Emanuela's disappearance,
03:20Some people are talking about the fact that this girl played the flute.
03:26Yes, they listened, someone heard and...
03:31even any person.
03:34Who was there?
03:35Yes, because then the rumors spread.
03:38So, if anyone may have heard of the flute,
03:46Could anyone else have heard about the shoes?
03:49Do you remember it?
03:50What a mess, what a mess, then after he didn't like milk,
03:55in the morning, breakfast.
03:58We are talking about the details indicated in some messages from the mysterious person,
04:02self-styled Turkish-anti-Christian liberation front turkesh.
04:06Always and only apparent evidence of contact with Emanuela.
04:11Many, however, had constant contact with their families right from the first few days.
04:16The secret services came every day, every day, everyone.
04:20And in those dramatic days, the first days after the kidnapping,
04:25a man from the secret service came to her to tell her something...
04:30He says, Mrs. Maria, I have some good news to give you.
04:35She will be very happy.
04:37Tell me, my eyes were shining with joy, you know,
04:40to hear the news so suddenly.
04:44Emanuela will be home in a week.
04:48But you have to take her away immediately.
04:51Coming back here, you have to take her out,
04:53because, he says, he is very weak and not well.
04:58And it was a joy and a piece of news.
05:00He says, however, I recommend that you don't tell anyone anything.
05:04As?
05:04I say, to my husband, to my children,
05:08I have to talk about this wonderful news you gave.
05:13Okay, that's how the story ended.
05:16We expected, we expected, nothing.
05:18Why did the secret agent say this?
05:21He later denied the incident.
05:23But Ercole Orlandi, we discover by talking to Maria,
05:26he had a strong prejudice against the secret services.
05:30Which were said to have a headquarters near the music institute
05:33from which Emanuela had emerged before disappearing.
05:36We used to go there for a walk, for a stroll
05:40and then Hercules says, look, here is the Senate,
05:44the secret service is here.
05:46So, Manuela, passing by here, says that she had to take the bus,
05:52they let her in.
05:54For an excuse, they wouldn't get it out of Hercules' head,
05:59he says, they let her in, they...
06:01I volumized it.
06:02I volumized it and that was it.
06:05And her husband thought that the secret service had let her in there.
06:10Well, he says, the only one from the secret service.
06:12We don't know if and how it was investigated
06:15in the direction feared by Ercole Orlandi,
06:17but Mary has not ceased to amaze us.
06:20The psychic was always seen with a book that she was reading.
06:26Once, I don't know, even some Carabinieri...
06:29Oh Bino, Bino, yes.
06:32I'll go with Gregori and Ercole, them,
06:38he took them to a psychic, yes.
06:41She says, his hands froze,
06:43that things were not going well for Gregori.
06:49Emanuela...
06:50I mean, explain it to me better.
06:51A Carabinieri officer?
06:54Yes, or Bino?
06:55Yes.
06:56Eh, that one.
06:57Yes, he brought...
06:58Did he accompany?
06:59Oh, yes, it's from this psychic.
07:01Her husband and Mirella Gregori's mother.
07:04Yes, yes, yes.
07:04Did he take them to the psychic to get an answer?
07:08Yes, something good, something...
07:12He was a plainclothes officer, of course.
07:16There is a plainclothes officer, but he was a Carabinieri officer
07:18who was investigating Emanuela's disappearance?
07:22Oh, yes, yes.
07:23If I understand correctly, in this matter, poor Mrs. Maria,
07:27first one of the secret services comes to tell her
07:30Emanuela will be returning home in a week.
07:33Then another Carabinieri officer
07:36bring the parents of the missing girls
07:40from a psychic.
07:42But how did they investigate this disappearance?
07:45Oh, I don't know, really.
07:46That's why I went long and it's been 25 years
07:50that nothing is known about anything yet.
07:54I hope now the new job the police chief is doing.
07:58Head of the mobile squad, the Rome mobile squad, yes.
08:01What can I say?
08:02I will pray for those who are working for Emanuela.
08:06Her husband, in September, on September 6,
08:10he had made an appeal, a very dramatic appeal,
08:15which I think was the only time
08:17that Ercole Orlandi took into consideration
08:22the possibility that Emanuela was no longer there.
08:26I would like to read it to him.
08:30I, Emanuela's father,
08:32and interpreter of thoughts, sensations,
08:35of the deep and immeasurable disturbance,
08:38my wife's pain,
08:39I decided to answer you personally and directly.
08:43I've decided it's time
08:45that my wife and I, in our full right,
08:48let us ask you for a single, precise answer.
08:51I'm not going to argue with you,
08:53I neither discuss nor judge the reasons for your action,
08:56of the involvement of my daughter Emanuela,
08:5815 years old,
09:00in a story that is impossible for me to understand.
09:04The one you meant to define,
09:06the Orlandi parenthesis,
09:07for me and my wife it represents everything,
09:09a life, the most important part of us.
09:12Today, we, Emanuela's father and mother,
09:15We have the right to ask you for a precise answer.
09:18If Emanuela is still alive, try it.
09:21If dear beloved Emanuela is dead,
09:24and so the Orlandi parenthesis is closed,
09:27Please tell us where to find our Emanuela,
09:30so that we can pray for her on our knees,
09:33near her.
09:34If you answer, everyone will believe you.
09:38Answer.
09:40Ercole Orlandi.
09:41Hercules is no longer here, I am here.
09:45If anyone is moved to pity, truly.
09:50It's been 25 years of pain, of waiting.
09:56And some of this group are rubbing their conscience.
10:01Get this weight off your shoulders and you'll live better.
10:05I don't know, the years go by, we get older,
10:08they must think about death too.
10:10You say, I have to die and I have this weight on my stomach.
10:16Do you know what the gentleman is doing?
10:18The thief comes, he doesn't knock.
10:21Likewise the gentleman does not knock,
10:23when the time comes for you to leave this world.
10:33Listen to me.
10:38I ask this with love, with affection.
10:44Who knows about Emanuela, a sign, a phone call, a message.
10:50That's important, that's it.
10:52Thank you.
10:54Thank you.
10:55Thank you.
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