00:00In the meantime, I will invite Pietro Orlandi here so that we can always talk about your sister together.
00:07But it must be said that some important things happened this week.
00:11So in the meantime the interrogations have resumed and this in our opinion is really important
00:15because it means that the investigation is ongoing.
00:18Then I would like to show the images, our shots by Gigi Conti, our TG3 operator
00:23who met you in St. Peter's Square because Peter went to the Angelus
00:29he hoped this time, you hoped that the Pope...
00:32It was the last Angelus of this pontificate, but we hoped...
00:35I also went to the last hearing today.
00:38Nothing, not even today, but you yourself had revealed it to us, we had revealed it to our viewers
00:43that the Pope was advised not to talk about your sister.
00:46Publicly by Emanuela.
00:49Publicly by Emanuela.
00:50So, he didn't speak, I want to tell you that some wiretaps were also released.
00:57which, I must say, are not embarrassing for us who will talk about them, but they are embarrassing
01:00in short, for the protagonists of these interceptions.
01:03They came out of Gianluigi Nuzzi on the 7 and they were not...
01:07Ah, those of Don Vergari.
01:08Don Vergari's lies.
01:09I know Peter has an important position on this.
01:13He says, it's not like it ends up like that, that all the blame goes to Don Vergari
01:16and then you never really find out what happened and what's behind it.
01:19However, despite this, I would like to talk about these wiretaps because...
01:26So, among other things, let's show us what Don Vergari tells us
01:32that we went looking for it. Let's see it.
01:37Good morning, Monsignor, can you explain to us why De Pedis's tomb is located in a church?
01:41Look, so, here it is.
01:43Everything, so you know the internet?
01:46Yes, then you do www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com, it's all there.
01:52You see?
01:54Your Excellency, may I introduce myself? We haven't even introduced ourselves.
01:57No, listen, I know...
01:58No, I know he's not talking to me, but I'm a nationalist for anyone who's seen him.
02:02I just wanted to ask you for an explanation...
02:04Listen, my goodness, you guys.
02:06No, eh, I know, but I read what he wrote on the site.
02:09There can't possibly be an explanation.
02:11Eh, there's no explanation there.
02:13It's all there, it's all there.
02:14Listen, Father, there...
02:15Is it you with the great voice you heard?
02:18No, the problem is that we started from that, and it's strange, people even resented it
02:22this thing.
02:23Doesn't that seem strange to you?
02:24Yes, have a good day, eh!
02:25No, I understand.
02:26Excellent!
02:27But why doesn't he give us an answer?
02:28Excellent!
02:29All there, all there.
02:30HI!
02:33No, Don Pietro, good morning, you must forgive me, I'm always up to date, how are you?
02:37I went to the site to read the story she told us, because when I go out,
02:41I will be the work for whoever saw it.
02:43Everyone tells us, but why did Don Pietro do this?
02:46I did this thing, see why? Because his relatives asked him to, yes.
02:50Can I do them alone?
02:51No, no, listen, I want to say it.
02:53No, no, on the website.
02:54Things are always questions...
02:55No, no, no, she wrote that when she found out...
02:59No, please, just this.
03:01Just one question.
03:02She says she learned who The Petits was from the newspapers, then why did she have him buried there anyway?
03:08in?
03:10Good morning, do you have a question?
03:11Let's prepare for statistics.
03:13All right.
03:16I only have one question for you, why?
03:18All right.
03:19Can you make me one?
03:20All right.
03:21Huh?
03:22All right.
03:23Only those, I swear I won't do them to him anymore.
03:25If you say what he wrote, say it all.
03:27Oh, exactly about that, about what he wrote.
03:29Me, on what she wrote.
03:31She wrote that she knew who he was, first.
03:47So, it appears to us that he has not denied these wiretaps, that is, he has been more talkative with the widow of The Petits.
03:54He asks her for advice, every time he has to do something he calls her and asks her for advice, even to know if and
04:00what he should say when questioned about the notes that The Petits gave him when he was in prison.
04:08We could say that Don Vergari is the postman of the notes of The Petits.
04:13Then, always another wiretap, he speaks with an excellency, he says excellency, but on the other end someone is embarrassed in a way
04:21be quick, cut to the chase and hang up the phone.
04:24Then the other interception, embarrassing, I don't think for us who talk about it, but for a priest, for him, it is that
04:30which has as its object a vegetable, a courgette.
04:34Don't laugh, but that's exactly what Don Vergari said in conversation with one of his seminarians who later became
04:40priest, they're talking about a courgette, you can imagine what it was supposed to be used for.
04:47We're talking about something of a sexual nature, these wiretaps have not been denied, they were revealed by Nuzzi on Sette.
04:53The problem is that inside, they know this thing that we call Don Vergari's little vice very well, someone tells me
05:00he also said, I, Berti, will pay for what he did before the Eternal Father.
05:05They knew very well, they are all there, there was a small room under Santa Polinari where everything could happen, but here
05:13the matter was limited with the phone call to the seminarians,
05:16but in my opinion the matter went even further than the seminarians, because within these phone calls
05:21they name people much higher up, called by nicknames.
05:26Peter, so, what I always tell our viewers, it all starts there anyway, because your sister went to Basile
05:33of Santa Polinare, in the adjacent building, because she had a music lesson,
05:38from there she goes out, she goes out, we don't know if she ever came back, that's why they went
05:43to check all the bones that are there.
05:46No, no, but I am convinced that there is at least some manpower there, he is under investigation.
05:51for complicity in kidnapping, so he certainly played a role.
05:55However, Pietro is under investigation, he has not yet been sent to trial, so there is still the presumption of innocence.
06:00There is only one thing I want to say, that the behavior of the Vatican in these 30 years, which has always tried
06:05in every way to make people forget this story,
06:08in any case, taking the photographs off the desks, saying they are a negative symbol, whatever, I don't think that
06:13they did it only to protect Don Vergari.
06:18So there is definitely something going on inside the Vatican.
06:20Oh yes, let's say that your excellency did well, hanging up the phone perhaps, but do you want to make your petition?
06:25Yes, yes, that is important because it goes forward, firstly because it is addressed to the Secretary of State, Bertone.
06:30So even with the new pontificate, if he remains Secretary of State, unless he becomes Pope, he must always be addressed
06:36to him.
06:36We've reached 125,000 signatures, which is a lot in my opinion.
06:41Anyone wishing to join can visit www.emanuelaorlandi.it.
06:48There you will find the text of the petition that I have already brought to Cardinal Bertone and the possibility of joining.
06:55125,000 signatures is a lot.
06:57I believe that they are becoming more and more numerous because it is not possible to go on.
07:01I know that many years have passed, but I still appeal to those who took that music lesson.
07:07If anyone wants to talk to us, if anyone remembers something, even if anyone has photographs,
07:12because everything can be important about those moments, about that era.
07:17Sometimes I also thought about the tourists who were there in the square that day.
07:21There was probably a radical demonstration, if I remember correctly.
07:26Of course, well, it was June 22, 1983, we repeat it again.
07:32Peter, thank you.
07:34We continue to sign because it is not against the Church, absolutely.
07:38It's for Emanuela Orlandi, I always repeat.
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