00:00This evening we are able to show you an internal Vatican document that we believe is truly important.
00:06We are here with Peter, we can call it Peter's battle which is somehow going on,
00:11because in this document, which are notes by Father Lombardi, we are talking precisely about the battle of Peter,
00:16There are questions, there are sentences that are really important to us.
00:20There is also talk, mind you, of the burial of the bandit De Pedis in the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
00:27It's an internal Vatican document. We'll show it to you, we'll comment on it with Pietro, and you'll see it for yourselves.
00:37The reason for its importance is what I'll tell you right away, before going with Fiore di Rienzo,
00:42I'm telling you that this document is recent, from January of this year, so it's from a month and a half ago.
00:48It's not an old story, just an internal Vatican memo. Let's see.
00:57Something happened and this document is proof of it.
01:03The battle of Pietro Orlandi, his family, and the many who gathered around them
01:08to discover the truth about Emanuela's fate, evidently it is starting to have some effect.
01:15First, let's try to understand the context in which these pages were created.
01:19It is a note from Father Lombardi, Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Holy See press office.
01:26The only person who can speak externally on behalf of the Pontiff and the Vatican hierarchy.
01:32We don't know who the recipient of this sort of confidential report is.
01:37Certainly someone authoritative, someone who has a position to be able to ask the Pope's spokesman
01:44to draft a confidential report on such a sensitive subject.
01:49But someone who wasn't in the Vatican at the time of the events.
01:52As Father Lombardi certainly was not, who honestly admits his expertise is limited to very few readings.
02:00So this document demonstrates the will of an authoritative figure
02:04to understand more about this very intricate story.
02:07And Father Lombardi, starting above all from what Pietro wrote in the book about his sister,
02:13retraces some key points.
02:15I will mention some of the theses and paths that have crowded the debate since the very beginning.
02:20and perhaps largely misled the long journey from 1983 to today.
02:29The writer, in light of the tragedy that the family has experienced not only because of the disappearance of Emanuela,
02:34but also for the prolonged torture of messages, claims, contradictory information.
02:41I'll mention a few leads.
02:43Those who follow us know them, we have talked about them over the years.
02:46The so-called Bolzano trail, that of a witness who would see Emanuela
02:51just over a month after his disappearance in Terlano,
02:55in the hands of a man later identified as an SISMI agent serving in Munich.
03:01So, Emanuela was taken away from Italy with the complicity of secret service men.
03:07Viva!
03:11Examine, and discard as unfounded, the claims about Alois Esterman,
03:17the commander of the Swiss Guards found dead in his apartment in the Vatican,
03:22next to the corpse of his wife and the guard Cedric Tornet.
03:26Esterman was said to be a Stasi man, also in contact with other services.
03:31And he too had been linked to Emanuela's disappearance.
03:35There is also a paragraph on Aqqa, on the conversation Peter had with him in Türkiye
03:40and on the alleged internal Vatican track.
03:44We told you about it.
03:46She was kidnapped by the Vatican government.
03:51I'll tell you a name, a name.
03:54This is called Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re.
04:00Eh, he knows.
04:05Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, even at the time of the events,
04:09he was in the Vatican Secretariat of State.
04:11We know that he did not give much weight to this statement from Aqqa.
04:15He claimed that his name is known.
04:17Aqqa may have read it somewhere.
04:19Father Lombardi himself writes about this hypothesis of an internal track
04:23and of high ecclesiastics who ordered the kidnapping,
04:27calling it of incredible infamy.
04:29But then he recalls the Vatican's lack of collaboration with the Italian authorities
04:34and wonders if it was a normal and justified assertion of Vatican sovereignty
04:39or if indeed some circumstances had been kept secret
04:43that could have clarified something.
04:45He also gives two examples.
04:47The first concerns Raul Bonarelli, deputy head of the Vatican gendarmerie.
04:51At the time of the facts, it was identified
04:54like the probable frequenter of the bar under Mirella Gregori's house,
04:58seen by Mirella's mother more than once in the company of her daughter
05:01and then met, two years after the girl's disappearance,
05:06in front of the door of the rectory of the church of San Giuseppe al Nomentano,
05:09where John Paul II was about to receive Mirella's parents
05:13at the end of his pastoral visit to the parish.
05:15When Judge Adelerando summoned him for questioning,
05:19he was intercepted on the phone with someone telling him
05:22what answers to give to the magistrate.
05:23You don't know anything, not even about Manuela,
05:26we did not investigate,
05:27the disappearance on Italian soil
05:29the Italian authorities are taking care of it.
05:32The phone call is considered highly ambiguous.
05:35It also seemed strange to some that after these events
05:38Bonarelli was given Vatican citizenship,
05:42exceptional fact.
05:43Now, if anyone is interested,
05:45he could only question him with international arrogance,
05:49even if to date it does not appear that Mr. Bonarelli
05:51have pending charges with the Italian justice system.
05:54On the other hand, Father Lombardi himself,
05:57in a previous paragraph,
05:58interprets the content of the intercepted phone call
06:01as a fairly normal invitation to caution
06:04in the depositions that he, Bonarelli, will have to make.
06:10The second example concerns rogatory letters
06:13sent to the Secretary of State
06:15then governed by Cardinal Casaroli,
06:17by Italian judges,
06:19to be able to question high prelates
06:21and systematically rejected.
06:23And Father Lombardi asks the recipient of the document a question.
06:27If it is not the case to delve deeper into the matter
06:30with some authoritative witness
06:32that he already occupied some position of responsibility at that time
06:35and is therefore able to provide information.
06:39Information also on other points to be clarified.
06:41Here they are.
06:41If the French secret services really
06:45they had warned of the danger of kidnapping
06:47and whether preventive measures had been taken.
06:50So, this news reached Ercole Orlandi
06:53after Emanuela's disappearance.
06:55He knew that they had been warned, in time,
06:58Camillo Cibin, then head of the Vatican guards,
07:01and Angelo Gugger, his father's personal waiter.
07:04Both had secured their daughters,
07:06Emanuela's peers.
07:08Hercules became very angry.
07:10They had to take a Vatican citizen
07:13and there's nothing to be done.
07:15If it wasn't one, it was the other.
07:18There were a group of girls there
07:20who lived in here.
07:22In the end, the easiest one was Emanuela.
07:26Another point for Father Lombardi
07:28It's the question of financial aid to Solidarity.
07:31which he doesn't believe has ever been clarified.
07:33He says, certainly not for the outside public.
07:36And he underlines, putting them in relation,
07:40the complications that also arise from the hypothesis
07:42by Judge Rosario Priore
07:43on Emanuela's disappearance.
07:45The motive that appears most credible to the State
07:49it is that of an operation precisely
07:51of the Magliana gang
07:52who had taken out a huge loan
07:54for the cause of Solidarity
07:56and a request for the refund of the sums.
08:02Rosario Priore, owner for years
08:04of the investigation into the attack on the Pope.
08:05And speaking of the attack on John Paul II,
08:09the document asks whether it is true
08:11that the Pope, visiting Orlanti's house,
08:14had actually made a comparison
08:16between the attack she suffered and Emanuela's disappearance.
08:19We know they were present
08:20the Pope's secretary at the time,
08:22Monsignor Civis,
08:23and the official photographer.
08:25Maybe you can ask them
08:26if the word of Emanuela's family isn't enough.
08:30And family members,
08:31Father Lombardi also speaks to say
08:33who have suffered human behavior
08:35and questionable Christians.
08:37Talk about how Cardinal Castiglio Lara reacted
08:40after reading an interview with Pietro.
08:42We know that he summoned him,
08:44he threw the newspaper in his face and said
08:46«Still with your sister's story,
08:49It's not enough that we gave you a job."
08:52And then of certain declarations
08:53of Cardinal Silvio Ordi,
08:55offensive to the family.
08:57What is Cardinal Doddi's name,
08:59who said all those things
09:02just incredible.
09:04Of course, we suffered more from it,
09:07Behold, the Lord gives you strength and life.
09:09to move on.
09:12Father Lombardi at this point states
09:14«It seems difficult to me to give Pietro Orlandi
09:17a truly conclusive answer
09:19and for him completely convincing,
09:21beyond reaffirming
09:22that we have reason to think
09:24that everything possible has been done
09:26and reasonable, in due time,
09:29by whoever was then in charge in the Vatican.
09:32The last paragraph of the document
09:34we read it in its entirety.
09:36In any case, since we continue to talk
09:39of alleged questions
09:40connected to the boss's tomb
09:42of the Magliana gang,
09:44Renatino, in Santa Pollinare,
09:46and since it seems to me that on the part of the Church
09:49the Cardinal Vicar declared
09:51the willingness to let this tomb be opened,
09:54I don't understand why this hasn't happened yet.
09:57Perhaps the Italian authorities
09:59they are not sure there is any reason to do so.
10:02I confess that I am not sufficiently informed
10:05on this aspect of the investigation
10:06of the Italian judiciary,
10:08which I believe is still open.
10:14Peter, I think this is a really important document.
10:16Father Lombardi did a great thing in writing,
10:19a confidential note.
10:20He was probably asked.
10:22Perhaps asked by Father Cheorche,
10:24because you went back to talk to him.
10:26I am convinced that it was requested by Father Cheorche,
10:28and if that's the case I'm happy about it,
10:30why father Cheorche when I met him
10:34he seemed very helpful,
10:37He was very sympathetic to this situation.
10:40So these notes could be to Father Cheorche?
10:42I think he might have asked for the answer.
10:46Because it didn't exist at the time.
10:47Father Cheorche is young,
10:49so it's likely that he doesn't know many things,
10:51as I told me,
10:51that I don't know many things.
10:53So he probably asked someone.
10:56In your opinion, is there still someone who had responsibility,
11:00who might know something?
11:02Someone was mentioned here,
11:03who I met a couple of months ago
11:05to Cardinal Giovanni Battistarelli,
11:07who was a gentleman at the time,
11:08he was under state secrecy,
11:10he knew my father very well,
11:11he often stood between our house and the state secret service
11:14when messages and communications arrived.
11:16But there are many.
11:17I read the arrogance that was made at the time,
11:20when the Vatican responded,
11:22yes he answered, but he said no,
11:24that the cheesemakers wanted to be interrogated.
11:25Cardinal Sodano, Monsignor Monduzzi
11:30and Cardinal Martinez.
11:32Two of them are still alive.
11:34In my opinion the magistrates of the time
11:36they thought it appropriate to question them
11:38and the Vatican said no.
11:40But now this really makes an opening.
11:43As they have always said
11:43who have always collaborated in some way,
11:46so the best demonstration
11:48is that the Italian judiciary
11:50took official steps
11:52and calls for international arrogance
11:54to question some people.
11:55This way they will be able to demonstrate their cooperation.
11:58Can I say something about the grave?
12:00We think that in the tomb
12:01obviously there are the remains of Renatino
12:02because he died in 90
12:04and Emanuela disappeared eight years earlier.
12:06So our problem
12:07it's more about looking for
12:08in the Basilica of Santa Polinare
12:10because you know there are remains
12:12which are from the nineteenth and seventeenth centuries.
12:14But we need to check
12:16because it's a bit like Lisa Claps
12:17which was later found in the church.
12:19So it's not so much the problem
12:21in my opinion of the opening of the tomb
12:23because then
12:24there was in Natino
12:25and he says look, look, we talked about it.
12:27It was a trapdoor because
12:28obviously it was a cemetery
12:29of deaths of hundreds of years also.
12:31And they made your DNA
12:33to you family members to see
12:34if it then corresponds with...
12:36Yes, in 2010.
12:39But they didn't actually do it...
12:41So, Peter, I think that...
12:43I think these results
12:44they also come from
12:45the nearly 68,000 people
12:47who have joined.
12:48To the petition.
12:49So you've done a lot
12:50and continue to join the petition.
12:53If we are many
12:53we have more weight.
12:56So I invite everyone who can
12:57to send this email
12:59to petition.emanuela.ghiocciolalibro.it
13:02by writing I agree
13:03to the petition to Benedict XVI.
13:05And what happened
13:06it's really important
13:07why is this being discussed
13:08by Emanuele Orlandi
13:09inside the Vatican.
13:11Thanks Peter.
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