00:00All right, let's talk some draft for a second here.
00:02It's coming up in two weeks from yesterday, and the commanders sit at number seven.
00:06There's been plenty of talk about who they should take there,
00:08and we're going to get to that with Cynthia Freeland top of next hour.
00:11But I want to go backwards in time and talk about who didn't work out and why.
00:17And let me start this premise, B. Mitch, by saying my personal bar for
00:24do we know if a guy has worked out or not as a pick, is three years.
00:30Or, I'm sorry, two years.
00:32I want two years of data.
00:34I will be able to say after two full seasons, yeah, this guy did or did not work out.
00:42He may rally in the third, fourth, fifth year, but generally speaking,
00:47after two years, you know what you got.
00:49Is that a fair assessment to say I'm going to give it two years, not one,
00:54but I'm not waiting for three years of data?
00:56Well, I think depending on where he went, who picked him and why.
01:02Okay.
01:02Well, I'm going to keep this to mostly first-round picks
01:05because anyone picked not in the first round, you know,
01:09who knows where you could have gone and what people could have thought of you.
01:13I'm just looking at first-rounders.
01:15So, that takes us out of last year's draft where Josh Connolly Jr.
01:19was the first-round pick at 29, offensive tackle.
01:23And then it takes us out of 2024 when, of course,
01:25Jaden Daniels was taken with a second overall pick.
01:29So, put those aside.
01:30Let's go back to three years in 2023.
01:33The thin man, Emmanuel Forbes, cornerback, Mississippi State.
01:40What happened?
01:43What happened with Emmanuel?
01:44I think his size plays some part, but then you see him go to L.A.
01:49play and play much better.
01:51And get meaningful snaps.
01:52He's not dominating there, but he's a useful part.
01:55He plays way better than he played here.
01:56He plays a lot of snaps.
01:56The thing I say is this.
01:59Players get completely blamed for when they don't reach a certain point.
02:04How about the coach using them wrong and not being able to develop?
02:07Okay.
02:08The person that picked him, his stabs were not able to develop.
02:13And in what way?
02:14Like, what was the Achilles heel of Emmanuel Forbes when he was here?
02:20What did you guys talk about on a day-to-day basis?
02:24Well, they kept putting him in positions where he had to try and come up and set the edge and
02:29tackle people.
02:30You're 150 pounds, 165 pounds.
02:32That ain't gonna work.
02:34So that was dumb to ask him to do that.
02:37When they saw that he suffered against a bigger opponent, they kept putting him man-to-man on people.
02:46Really?
02:46Like, not many people are gonna take A.J. Brown one-on-one.
02:50You're damn sure not gonna put A.J. Brown, I mean, Emmanuel Forbes on him.
02:53A.J. Brown a tank against Emmanuel Forbes.
02:56Emmanuel Forbes had 814 snaps for the Rams last year.
03:01That's 72% of their snaps.
03:03So you're right.
03:03He played a lot for them.
03:04He played a lot.
03:05And the thing for me is, listen, man, you have to understand one thing.
03:09When you draft a guy in the first round, you want him to believe and feel comfortable and confident that
03:17you believe in him.
03:18Right.
03:19You have to back him.
03:20You have to support him.
03:20They didn't support him.
03:22I mean, he didn't do a lot to get great support, but you saw them trying to move off their
03:27mark real quick.
03:28But when the new group came in, they knew he ain't gonna work.
03:32Was he traded?
03:34I thought they just released him.
03:35How did he leave?
03:36Did they just flat out release him?
03:38A first round overall pick after two years?
03:41Yeah.
03:41That would be a disaster.
03:42Emmanuel Forbes was just released.
03:43Yeah, it was released.
03:44Yeah.
03:44Jesus.
03:45That's another huge mistake by the team.
03:47But see, but that's the thing, Jose.
03:49Okay.
03:49You can't put the team because you got different people.
03:52Well, I'm sorry.
03:53That was a mistake by the old regime.
03:55Yeah.
03:56By the Marty party and Rivera and company.
03:58See, and that whole crew.
04:01That whole deal was worked up to where if Ron liked him, Marty going with it.
04:06Yeah.
04:07What a disaster.
04:08And Martin was completely overrun.
04:11Who cuts a first round pick after two years?
04:14I think smart people.
04:16It doesn't happen a lot in the NFL.
04:18It has happened, but.
04:19I know, but like a flat out cut.
04:22Hey, if you come in and that guy, especially if he's not somebody that you chose, you have
04:29no connection to him.
04:30I know, but still it's like, find one of the 53 roster spots and keep him on board and see
04:36if he can't.
04:36Keep him on board, why?
04:37I drafted you in the first round to be an asset and you're not being an asset.
04:41What am I going to do?
04:42Move you to just special teams?
04:44That looks more, that looks crazy as hell.
04:45Okay.
04:45Well then, it looks really bad when you cut a first rounder after two years, which doesn't
04:51happen very often.
04:52And then he plays 72% of snaps for a team that was in the NFC championship game.
04:58He plays 72% of the snaps, but he was not a person that was stopping much.
05:01See, last year they had Forbes and St. Juice playing for the Rams.
05:09That's right.
05:09And they had like a couple good games and everybody was like, man, we should have let
05:14them go.
05:15Then after those two games, they began to show their true colors.
05:19Okay.
05:19That's a fair point, but I would stand on the square of he played 72% of snaps.
05:26Playing 72% don't mean you played them good.
05:28But he's a useful player.
05:30You're going from a guy you threw away who used a first round pick on and another team
05:36that made the NFC championship game used him 72%.
05:41That pretty much says you guys are dummies.
05:44That you couldn't figure out how to use him or where to use him.
05:48You got to realize the team that let him go and the staff that let him go, the amount
05:53of money he was going to make if he saves with that contract was way more than he was
05:57getting paid to do the other.
05:59See, they had two full years left of runway before they had to pay him.
06:04But their salary is still going up.
06:06He made way less with the Rams than he made here.
06:09All right.
06:10You're somehow defending him being cut.
06:12I felt he should have been cut.
06:14He couldn't stop nobody here.
06:15And sometimes in the NFL, you have to hit rock bottom before you even realize you got
06:21to change something about yourself.
06:22Well, as a player, yeah.
06:23But as a team, don't just throw away your precious assets.
06:27Number one picks are precious assets.
06:29Okay, let's go back to 2022.
06:3116th pick, Jahan Dotson, wide receiver.
06:34Penn State.
06:35Wahapa.
06:39Jahan Dotson went the way he...
06:44I knew he was getting cut when he walked into the training camp that year.
06:47Whoa.
06:47Just watching him.
06:48Whoa.
06:49Small.
06:50The competition seemed to be like he didn't think he had to compete.
06:54Smallish.
06:55He's listed at 5'11".
06:56You have to compete.
06:56He seemed like he was smaller than that, but okay.
06:59You have to compete.
07:00And he didn't want to compete.
07:02He felt that's beneath me.
07:04Okay.
07:07And the first year he came here, he what, he caught six touchdowns, I think it was?
07:12He seemed to be, oh, this guy's on point.
07:14The next year, like he forgot all that stuff.
07:17Yeah.
07:18Wouldn't catch in a ball.
07:19Wouldn't get in separation.
07:21And went to the Eagles.
07:23Won a Super Bowl.
07:25Yeah.
07:25In 2024.
07:26He's a Super Bowl champion.
07:27By the way, seven touchdowns on 523 yards and 35 catches.
07:31That first year.
07:32As a rookie, increased his catch total of 49 the next year on four touchdowns production.
07:38But then they got rid of him.
07:40Yeah.
07:41That's also dumb.
07:42I don't think it's dumb.
07:43What'd they get back for him?
07:44I forgot what that trade was.
07:46Okay.
07:46I forgot the trade.
07:46So he didn't work.
07:47He didn't work out because.
07:48What did he catch in Philadelphia?
07:51Oh, sorry.
07:51Just close that tab.
07:52Let me undo.
07:54Philly caught only 19 passes.
07:57Okay.
07:57But he's a hungrier mouth behind A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith.
08:01If he was as good as many thought he was when he was picked, he would have forced his
08:07way on that field, right?
08:08He was destined to be WR3 there at best.
08:10Still.
08:11So he got what he would have.
08:11He would have forced himself on the field more.
08:14Okay.
08:14All right.
08:14Now, over A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith?
08:17Not over A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith.
08:19But if the defense is going to focus on A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith, then if you are
08:27that good of a receiver, you will get more passes because you'll be open more often,
08:31right?
08:31Yeah.
08:31Commander sent Dotson in a fifth in exchange for a conditional third, the higher of the
08:37Eagles or Dolphins, and two seventh rounders.
08:40So a third and two sevens for Dotson in a fifth.
08:43Yeah.
08:44Okay.
08:44All right.
08:45Let's keep walking backwards.
08:46We'll hop on in terms of first round picks.
08:49I wish we didn't have so many.
08:52I wish we didn't have so many that I have to ask you what happened on these guys, but
08:57we do.
08:59Where did I put this tab, for God's sakes?
09:01Who, Jamin Davis?
09:03Is that the next one?
09:04I think he's one of them.
09:05Okay.
09:06Here we are.
09:06I'm back where I need to be.
09:07Jamin Davis, 2021.
09:10Okay.
09:10Why hop on?
09:11Kyle Pitts, the thing that they kept telling us was he checked Kyle Pitts in a game and
09:17you should see.
09:18And I think in a game where he was checking Kyle Pitts in college, Kyle Pitts, I think,
09:22had almost 100 yards between two or three touchdowns.
09:24Kyle Pitts out of Florida?
09:26He's a tight end.
09:27Jamin Davis from Kentucky.
09:29So this was the Kentucky-Florida game.
09:31My mindset was, okay, well, you didn't play well in that game.
09:35Why are you telling me that's why you drafted him?
09:38And he looked lost the whole time he was here.
09:41He just, he didn't seem to do much of anything.
09:44Like, he didn't seem special in any way.
09:46Wasn't really thirsty.
09:47Who picked those three people?
09:48Wasn't really smart.
09:49The Marty Party.
09:50I mean, really one of the worst personnel regimes that we've had in a long time.
09:57The Rivera personnel regime was an absolute abomination.
10:01See, sometimes that is the problem.
10:05And when other people come in and try to correct it, it's always like you look at the team,
10:10but I don't think you can look at just the team.
10:12You got to look at the different groups that pick people.
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