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00:00People got draft fever.
00:02Listen, people talk about the NFL draft for months.
00:04If you're not into it today, go read a book or something.
00:07I don't really know what kind of advice to give you.
00:09It is high noon in the District of Columbia.
00:12And we'll leave the phones open the next, I don't know,
00:15we'll just leave them open.
00:16When people call, we'll take it.
00:17Yeah.
00:18This dude, I'm letting this dude bat lead off.
00:21Because Sean is in D.C. and he waited through the break
00:25and he has a trade scenario.
00:26What's up, Sean?
00:27Let's go, Sean.
00:28Hey, guys.
00:29How y'all doing?
00:30Good, dude.
00:31How are you?
00:32I have a trade scenario for Brian.
00:35And I have, would you take these players for J.P.?
00:39Brian, you're the Arizona Cardinals.
00:41You're on the clock.
00:42The Washington Commanders give you a call.
00:45We will give you the seventh pick in the draft for your third.
00:50And we also will give you Deron Payne in our second round draft pick next year.
00:55Would you take this call?
00:58Uh, yeah.
01:00I'll take the call, definitely.
01:02Yeah, would you give me the third?
01:03Say it again?
01:04I'll take the call, definitely.
01:06But I don't know.
01:09Are we going to offer them a second round to win next year?
01:12Next year.
01:13The second round draft pick next year.
01:14Yeah, but see, but this is the thing about it, though.
01:16Like, you have to, do they want Deron?
01:18Do they want somebody like that?
01:19Do they want a player?
01:21Or do they want draft picks?
01:23Also, so just from a draft value chart.
01:27I'll give you my second and third.
01:27Hang on, Sean.
01:28Hang on, Sean.
01:29From a draft value chart, and there's a number of these charts, right?
01:33I just pulled up the Jimmy Johnson model, basically adjusted for inflation.
01:37The number three overall pick is worth 2,200 points.
01:41The number seven pick is worth 1,500.
01:44So even adding that second, assuming it's just a middle-of-the-road second, that still
01:49doesn't get you close to an equitable compensation.
01:52Maybe you could argue Payne does, but just as a baseline, it's an interesting concept.
01:59Please continue.
02:01This is for you, JP.
02:03It's two wide receivers that ran a 4-2.
02:07Would you take this player, Davion Thomas, and also Rion Thompson, and Lorenzo Stiles that
02:16ran a 4-2 for the round in the draft?
02:23I, as a general rule, when we see these guys run these outrageous 40s, John Ross, Darius
02:30Hayward-Bey, we've seen this a number of times.
02:35I do not get particularly enamored unless I've seen the player be a standout player in addition
02:44to the speed.
02:47What is his route running like?
02:49Right.
02:49What does he do when someone's trying to hit him?
02:53Because when you're running the 40, nobody's hitting you.
02:56You don't have to get off press at the line of scrimmage.
02:58You don't have to get bumped by a linebacker in your route.
03:01But, like, speed, there's no substitute for speed, speed kills.
03:07You can't teach it.
03:08For a receiver, you have to be able to control that speed.
03:12There are guys who run a 14-yard square in, and they hit it at 13, they're going down the
03:19line at 14.
03:20Also, some guys that run 4-2 that hits it at 13, they go down the line at 20 because
03:25they
03:25got to round it all the way up because they can't just get in and out of a break.
03:28So that's where I would go with that.
03:29I know when we see 40 times we lose our mind.
03:32What else can they do?
03:34It's also, to me, like, De'Ami Brown was drafted as a speedster out of Carolina.
03:40It took him years to figure out not to round the top of his routes and to cross the safety's
03:48face.
03:49Like, there's a level of physicality.
03:51You know why they love Noah Brown?
03:53That dude is as physical as he gets at the receiver position.
03:57And there's a level of physicality, even for the burners, that has to be apparent to
04:03make it in the NFL.
04:04And if you don't have that, I don't care if you can run 3-5.
04:10If you can't get off the line of scrimmage, does it matter?
04:15Yep.
04:16Let's go to John in Alexandria.
04:17People just calling in with blackies now.
04:19Let's do it.
04:20Johnny, what's up?
04:21I'm going to run it, too.
04:22We got to round it all up.
04:23Hello?
04:24Hello.
04:24Hey, everybody.
04:25How you doing?
04:26Hey, what's up, man?
04:28I love you, man.
04:30Been a long time.
04:31Red-skinned Commander fan all my life.
04:34You know what I'm saying, man?
04:35I think that the Commander, if he's available, should take Jordan, Jeremiah Love.
04:41I think we need a running back with his kind of talents.
04:44You know what I'm saying?
04:46And if he's not there, I really would like to see them get that boy down from Ohio State.
04:52I think he's the second coming of Sean Taylor.
04:56And we need somebody like that to show up the back end of our defense.
05:01They did a pretty good job all around, as far as I'm concerned, with the things that they've done so
05:08far.
05:10But I really think we need a stronger safety back there.
05:13I'm not sold on Quan Mitchell.
05:16Martin.
05:17I'm not sold on him.
05:18I'm sold on the boy that they got, the other guy that they got this year.
05:22But I'm not sold on him, man.
05:24And as far as wide receivers, I think we can do like we did with Terry McCollum and get a
05:30good wide receiver in the third round.
05:32Is that the former Governor of Virginia?
05:36Thank you, John.
05:37Appreciate the call.
05:40What do you think of Downs?
05:41You're welcome.
05:42Thanks, man.
05:43What do you think of Downs?
05:47I wouldn't compare him to Sean.
05:50He doesn't have the size.
05:51No, he doesn't.
05:53I said yesterday, and I'm more of a diss.
05:57Earl Thomas, Ed Reed.
06:00I don't think he has Ed Reed's ball skills.
06:03But I think he's a true leader, a guy who is going to be there and don't make a lot
06:09of mistakes.
06:10Like an Earl Thomas was.
06:12Earl wasn't a big hitter.
06:13I don't think he was a big hitter.
06:15Okay?
06:17But I think they are always making the right plays.
06:20They're in the right positions.
06:22Sean was a guy where when the guy lined up and looked up and saw Sean and like, oh, hell
06:27no.
06:29Hey, if you throw it, throw it early.
06:31And if you leave me, I don't think I'm going to reach out and get it.
06:34I don't think Caleb put that fear in anybody.
06:38But he's a guy that's going to still hit you and he's going to be in the right position.
06:43You know the receiver saying, if he's even, he's leaving?
06:46Like, the theory is if a receiver running, especially on a go, gets even with the corner, he's going to
06:53beat him.
06:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:54Like, because he has all the forward momentum, corner has to run backwards, whatever, right?
07:00Well, Sean, for receivers, probably be, if it's leading, I'm leaving.
07:05Yeah.
07:05Like, if you're leading me into the middle of the field, I'm getting the hell out of here.
07:08Yeah, I'm done.
07:09I'm not going to do that for you.
07:10But Taylor, obviously, there is, this is worth pointing out with Downs, a player that I really like and I
07:17do think is a possibility at seven.
07:19But the guys he kind of gets compared to now, Eamon Worry, Kyle Hamilton, Derwin James, like, Derwin James, 6
07:29'2", 220.
07:30Derwin's probably my favorite safety to watch.
07:34I remember him at Florida State being an absolute missile.
07:37Hamilton, 6'4", 220.
07:39Downs, 6'2", Bills, which is plenty to get it done, but is that plenty to get it done at
07:46number seven?
07:48Also, Downs, I'm a big believer in lean on the tape and what you saw him do on a football
07:58field.
07:59But you've got a little bit of knee injury smoke.
08:04You got a little bit of he didn't run smoke.
08:06Well, I have zero concerns about the human, by all accounts, A+.
08:12But there's just a little, a hair of stuff there that to me, like, let's say it's seven.
08:21Washington is looking at a trio of Ohio State players.
08:25Styles, Downs, Tate.
08:28I think they would rank them in that order.
08:31Styles, Downs.
08:33I'm sorry.
08:35Styles, Tate, Downs.
08:37Yeah.
08:38Let's go to Ronald and Falls Church.
08:41What's up, Ron?
08:43How we doing, boys?
08:45What's up, man?
08:47I think you've got to get at least, and I had a couple names, but position-wise, you cannot go
08:53defensive end.
08:54You cannot go offensive line.
08:56And if those guys start falling in the draft, you might as well trade back and go get Lemon, USC,
09:0215 or 14, something like that.
09:04I don't really know where he's going to fall, but you've got to pick a day-one impact blue-chip
09:09player that's going to be an impact player for your team next year.
09:13So you can't really invest in the edge rusher, I don't believe.
09:20You can never have too much edge.
09:22Edge rusher might be the second most important person on your football team.
09:27Rod, but you're right, but we just got, what, two dudes, and we got, what's, or not Lawrence from Dallas,
09:35what's his name?
09:36I'm blanking on the name on our team.
09:38Armstrong?
09:40Armstrong, yeah.
09:41He's coming back, and I mean, it's just, you've got to, with the seventh pick in the draft, and especially
09:46in a draft like this, you've got to get a day-one impact starter.
09:51So I'm going with Love, Downs, or Tate.
09:54One of those three, I think, is a home run.
09:57Appreciate you, man.
09:58Thanks for the call, Ron.
09:59I think Ron said one thing that I absolutely agree with.
10:06They're going to have an opportunity to draft a stud.
10:10Yeah.
10:11And the only assignment from me, you've got to nail the pick.
10:18Yeah.
10:20You've got to nail the pick.
10:2228, Connerly, it's different.
10:25It's 28.
10:26You draft a kind of, developmental's probably the wrong word, but a long-term piece.
10:33And I think they're pretty damn happy with how it shook out.
10:36Very much.
10:37Kid played 100% of the offensive snaps.
10:39Nobody else did that.
10:40But at 28, my homework assignment is not, you've got to nail the pick.
10:45Because that's a far more complicated matter.
10:48Seven?
10:49Seven, you've got to nail it.
10:50You've got to nail the pick.
10:51Especially.
10:51But I just think, I don't know how people just shun the pass rushers.
11:00That's crazy.
11:01The edge rushers.
11:02That's more important.
11:03You've got quarterbacks, edge rushers, and left tackles.
11:06They're most important.
11:08If you want to say, I'm not sold on Bain.
11:14I'm not sold on the power game converting to the NFL.
11:18The off-field stuff.
11:20You want to talk about the arms.
11:21If you want to say maybe you're not sold on Bain, that can be a real reasonable conversation.
11:28There's not a team in the NFL that you can say doesn't need pass rush.
11:32Everybody needs it all the time.
11:35I did want to circle back to this.
11:37Louis Riddick was on the program with us last week, I believe.
11:41And I asked Louis his opinion on Caleb Downs for Washington at 7.
11:46Yeah, this is interesting, right?
11:48You haven't heard me say that.
11:50Okay, so I love Caleb.
11:53Got to talk to him out at Ohio State.
11:54Obviously, he's a captain.
11:58That's what he is.
11:59He's a leader.
12:00He's an alpha.
12:02And I think he'll be a high first-round pick.
12:04And he's going to play for a long time.
12:06And he's going to make a lot of solid, dependable football plays.
12:09If you're drafting that position inside of the top five, top seven,
12:15to me, they better be bringing something like Sean Taylor brought,
12:20something like Eric Berry brought,
12:22something like the late great Eric Turner brought, who I played with.
12:27Those guys were monsters.
12:31All of them.
12:33They were, when you looked at them, you were like, damn, that's a safety?
12:43That's where it's at.
12:45And Downs doesn't have that.
12:47That has nothing to do with the knee whispers or the 40 times.
12:50Like, he doesn't have the size.
12:53Listen, man.
12:55This is where I, like a lot of people, I get lost in some of the draft talk.
13:00Now, we can go to a guy who had the speed and the moves to beat people in college.
13:06And no one ever says, can that translate to the league?
13:09Because I think the left tackles in the league are better than the left tackles in college.
13:14But then we get a guy who runs through people every week in college.
13:20And we say, can that translate?
13:23And we automatically don't assume it can.
13:26If he consistently did it in college, he has a chance to consistently do it in the pros.
13:32Just like that guy that we give privy to that can pass rush people.
13:38The thing about Bain that I like so much, because he can go with power in your chest.
13:46But he also has moves enough to get past people, too.
13:50And he can play outside or inside.
13:53And I distinctly remember the Giants going to the Super Bowl,
13:57where they were lining up their pass rushes on third down across the line.
14:02And the Eagles called this thing the NASCAR package.
14:05And they had a lot of success with that.
14:07But you have a guy that can do multiple things for you.
14:11I believe the way he played and what we saw from him in college,
14:17that's going to go with him to the pros.
14:20Well, Em, what did the Giants do?
14:22The 0-7 team, Strahan, O.C., Tuck, Barry Cofield was a part of that.
14:29Tuck was playing nose guard.
14:31Kiwanuka was on that team.
14:32Tuck was 260 pounds playing nose guard.
14:36That center couldn't check it, couldn't block him ever.
14:39Because he'll take one side, and the center was so caught up trying to get to him,
14:43they were messing up snaps.
14:46But then they retooled it and kept getting better,
14:50and it was Tuck and O.C. and Pierre Paul when they won again.
14:54Yes.
14:55Chris Canty.
14:56But what I'm saying is...
14:57You could always add at that position.
14:58You can...
14:59The pass rusher, everybody has a different way of doing it.
15:03Everybody can't just go around the edge all the time with speed.
15:07Sometimes, all you got to do...
15:08See, think what I like about the guys with the power.
15:12See, the sleek guys got to get to an edge.
15:17And the savvy offensive lineman just run you around the horn.
15:21The power dudes that have some quickness with them,
15:24they can go down the center,
15:26or they can take anywhere they want.
15:28They don't have to be completely on the edge,
15:29which gives that blocker some level of advantage.
15:32You know what I mean?
15:33So you can keep them guessing as well.
15:35So I don't know.
15:36We'll see.
15:36We'll see.
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