00:00I would like to call Pietro Orlandi here with me because you know that there was a demonstration in front of the Basilica
00:08of Santa Polinare, Pietro Orlandi called as usual, gathered everyone and really a lot of people came.
00:14So, what happened? That the Orlandi family, Pietro come here, look, that the Orlandi family was
00:21asked to do DNA.
00:22Peter, good evening to you. I know you have a fever, but you wanted to thank everyone. So, I was asked to do...
00:28DNA because, for an important thing, because in this Basilica there are bones, which can also obviously be
00:34from the nineteenth century, from the eighteenth century, from the seventeenth century, but we need to verify that Emanuele is not buried there in some way
00:41Orlandi, because from there she comes out, then in a truly incredible way Enrico De Pedis comes in because he is put
00:48there in a crypt, in short, that's his beautiful.
00:53Cemetery. So, first let's watch Fiore De Rienzo's report because then we want to ask you something in particular that we...
00:59It piqued my curiosity, that is, one of the participants in this demonstration. Let's see.
01:34In this square in the center of Rome, last Saturday, January 21st, there were about 400 people. And this man?
01:44we'll talk to you about him later.
01:47400. Representing the 55,000 Italian citizens who signed the petition to the Pope because, as the text states,
01:57do everything humanly possible to ascertain the truth about the fate of his compatriot Emanuele Orlandi.
02:06I expect, as I think all of us, that he will also be there on the occasion of the Angelus, why not, even the same
02:15tomorrow's is a statement from the Pope, at the very least.
02:17Many of those present, at a previous meeting in December, had already made a vain gesture of support from the
02:24by Benedict XVI at the Angelus.
02:26Gathered around Pietro Orlandi, they shared his disappointment.
02:30So, the petition had been hand-delivered to a person near the Pope.
02:37Then, Emanuela's brother had thought of using a very suggestive means to interact with the Vatican authorities,
02:45Pasquino and the other so-called talking statues of Rome.
02:49Remember, at the time of the Pope, at night, messages of protest and satire were hung around the neck of these statues, they were the
02:58voice of a subjugated and voiceless people.
03:09And this people who call themselves Emanuela's people proceeds through symbols.
03:14Today we met here, where, behind this door, was the entrance to the music school attended by Emanuela.
03:25She left here in the late afternoon of June 22, 1983, before all traces of her were lost.
03:36And a few meters further on, this other door, of the Basilica of Santa Pollinare.
03:42Enrico De Pedis, Renatino, is buried in the crypt.
03:45The story is too well known and follows us to need to dwell on it in detail.
03:49This, as I have always said, is precisely the crux, the crossroads of that intricate, Masonic intertwining between State, Church and
03:56crime.
03:58It's been more than a year since the magistrates told us that they would carry out an inspection, because they had linked this
04:04story to Emanuela's story.
04:06They did nothing.
04:07I, as I have always said, believe in dissolving this bond, which holds tight the truth about Emanuela's story,
04:14and that we need fearless magistrates, with a strong sense of justice, as they have been, here, see, say it
04:22here, Falcone and Borsellino.
04:25We need political authorities who are not always ready to bow their heads and humble themselves before Vatican power.
04:31And we need a courageous and free Pope.
04:33Peter's words are strong, evidently shared by those who came, prepared banners, and printed flyers.
04:44Many women, not only Patrizia, Pietro's wife, or Elettra, his daughter, have worn a band around their foreheads.
04:51that Emanuela had on the posters announcing her disappearance.
04:56Remembering Emanuela.
04:58A way of bearing witness.
05:04And like Santino Graziani's mother, they wanted to bear witness, bringing their pain here, sharing the anguish of absence,
05:12even the relatives of other missing people.
05:14Antonietta Gregori, Mirella's sister, disappeared 45 days after Emanuela.
05:20Cristina Golinucci's mother.
05:24Milena Bianchi's mother.
05:27Giuseppe Ruggero's son.
05:31Others still, in the crowd.
05:34Someone, a friend of hers, wanted to remember Ercoli Orlandi, Emanuela's father, and his bitterness.
05:41Speaking to him, he told me, listen Ennio, I was betrayed by the one I served.
05:50Everything you saw was observed by this man armed with a camera and telephoto lens, standing on the edge of the
05:57demonstration.
05:59We introduced him to you at the beginning.
06:02Someone then told us that he is an agent of the Vatican gendarmerie.
06:06Is he here by any chance?
06:07Did you join the petition?
06:09Or was he sent by his loved ones?
06:13Will he have also documented this last moment of the request for truth?
06:21The homage paid to Emanuela and her passion for the flute, by this teenager, Gemma, who came especially from Sarteano,
06:29near Siena.
06:33Sorry Peter, we were a bit surprised, but we are happy to show our faces, we, those who have it.
06:38seen, but everyone who is there, because it was a public demonstration.
06:42This person who was photographing, what does he say to you?
06:45But I was also surprised because they were...
06:47If we can show it, because if it's not someone who actually works...
06:51Everyone was invited, so they can come without any worries; there was no need to come like this.
06:57Hidden yes, he is definitely a person from the Vatican security, he was probably sent to see how we operated, because I know that
07:06He also photographed the flyers and posters, probably to see if we had written anything in particular.
07:14Anyway, it means that we are taken into consideration in some way, which is what we were saying the other time.
07:17Of course, they also control us, well, no, no, this is also positive.
07:20Here, no, I would like to ask this person if he can call us, because we have a doubt, we don't want to
07:25have a diplomatic incident in the Vatican.
07:28Of course, it could be there by accident.
07:29It could also be that he was a person who was there by chance, who doesn't work for the Vatican, there he is.
07:34here, if you could kindly call us on 068262, maybe he was a participant like many of us.
07:39And if not, well, even if you can explain it to us, it is more appropriate, as someone tells us, to send people to take pictures when they do it.
07:46demonstrations that in some way concern the Vatican.
07:49It was a very peaceful, quiet demonstration, so no one was needed.
07:52It's true, we have, well, no one tried to break into the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
07:56But what you want to do is go, take a step further, go in front of another building, it's
08:01right Peter?
08:01Well, let's wait a little while, let's hope there is an answer and since we have often talked about State, Church
08:09and crime, we miss the State and we may go before the Quirinal soon.
08:15So, from the President of the Republic, I thank Pietro, I ask the person who came to photograph if he can reassure us,
08:23not us, because of course we always let you see ourselves, in short, and understand the reason for these photographs.
08:28If, however, it is a person who was there demonstrating with us, we can do nothing but thank him.
08:34Can I remember the membership?
08:35Sure, absolutely yes.
08:36Membership is important because these 56, over 56 thousand, 56 thousand and 100 people who have joined, evidently have
08:43meaning something, that there was an interest from those who should have had an interest in the first place.
08:49So I ask you, with all my heart, to join as many people as possible by sending an email to petition.emanuela.chiocciolalibero
08:59.it and by writing I support the petition to Benedict XVI, inserting your data, because I am convinced that the more we are and
09:06the more important our weight will be.
09:08If you don't know how to do it, call whoever saw it, we'll tell you how to do it, you can write to us anyway.
09:13let's see immediately after this short break.
09:15Thank you.
09:16Thanks to you, Peter.
09:17So, I ask the director to broadcast, for a few moments, the photograph that we showed before
09:23that man who was taking photographs during the demonstration in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare, many phone calls are coming in,
09:32Here he is, there's even one with his camera, and they're telling us who this man is.
09:38Soon we will try to check them all, let's look at the one with the camera again, because this evening I want to understand
09:45with you if it can be normal that during a public demonstration
09:50a man comes to photograph, takes photographs of the participants without having a tag, something written, like in a
09:58they are the police inspectors, there are many people, etc., who have the title.
10:02Without anything written down, he takes photographs and then these photographs are taken somewhere, because these are called dossiers.
10:11So, is it possible that someone who recognized this person is online?
10:17Yes, good evening.
10:18Yes, hello, good evening.
10:19Excuse me, did you recognize this person who was at the Basilica of Santa Polinare and was photographing the participants in the demonstration?
10:26for Emanuele Orlandi?
10:28Yes, I knew him very well because, well, he had something to do with him about fifteen years ago.
10:35Excuse me, are you aware that he works in the Vatican? That he's with the Vatican gendarmerie?
10:39Yes, yes, he is a gendarme in the Vatican.
10:41He's a gendarme, according to you he's a gendarme in the Vatican. Look, I thank you for this phone call, thank you.
10:48Not at all.
10:49Thank you, of course we don't want to know who called us, but now we have to try to understand with you during the
10:56episode if possible,
10:58that is, if probably yes, why is it done, but anyway, the protesters are photographed by the Vatican gendarmerie
11:06and we would like to know where these photographs end up, if a dossier or a folder is then created or what
11:13What,
11:14if there is, I don't know, a Vatican expert, someone from the Vatican State who can tell us why, why this gentleman
11:21he had a camera but no identifying marks,
11:24that is, it didn't make, let's say, his role as a photographer legitimate, because it was enough to write it,
11:31I'm from the Vatican, and I'm photographing you. I'm asking for your help for many people.
11:37There's another call on the air. Excuse me, are you still calling about the photograph we showed?
11:43Yes, yes, yes.
11:45Did you recognize the person who was photographing the protesters?
11:50Yes, yes, yes.
11:51Did you recognize this gentleman you are photographing?
11:53Yes, he works at the Vatican Gendarmerie.
11:55Ah, she also works for the Vatican Gendarmerie.
11:58Yes, yes.
11:58So, I thank you so much for this phone call because it confirms what they told us. Thank you.
12:05Nothing, good evening.
12:07Thank you, good evening to you.
12:08So, Pietro Orlandi had a fever, did you see?
12:12So, I want to understand with you and if you please send us your comments, because you know that we
12:17We read everything you write to us.
12:19Is it possible to go to a demonstration and be photographed by the Vatican gendarmerie?
12:24We are in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare, but we are in a square in Rome, in the capital.
12:30Pietro Orlandi asked the Police Headquarters for authorization.
12:34So, we ask ourselves, what purpose do these photos serve? We'd like to know with you.
12:40Look, the confirmation calls and even comments about this person who came to photograph the
12:47protesters in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
12:49So, they confirm that it is a person who works for the Vatican gendarmerie, they tell us.
12:55Your comments are here too.
12:57At this point we ask ourselves and you what they do with these photographs.
13:03They used to be called dossiers.
13:05So, among other things, we don't know if he also photographed Cristina Golinucci's mother, who rightly wants us to
13:12We wish Cristina, who is in the world of the missing, a happy birthday today.
13:19So, we ask ourselves with you, if we can bring this photographer back, here is Cristina Golinucci, there was her mother Merisa between
13:28the protesters.
13:29So, if he or someone from the Vatican who is listening to us right now can make us understand why they are coming
13:37A person who works in the Vatican photographed the protesters in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
13:47What are they doing with these photographs? What purpose do they serve? Why are the protesters being photographed, I repeat once again?
13:57who go in public in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
14:01Obviously they can check everything, among other things they are the same ones who are sending their support to the petition.
14:07We think that the Vatican should have perhaps better controlled who was buried in the Basilica of Santa Polinare, because it appears to us
14:18that there is a boss of the Magliana gang in a beautiful basilica in the center of Rome.
14:25So, we ask you, we always ask our viewers who are experts, but is it a normal thing to go and photograph the
14:33protesters in a square?
14:36Among other things, protesters for whom permission was requested.
14:41I mean, what are these photographs doing? Is he really a Vatican gendarmerie man?
14:47If someone from the Vatican can answer us, but also someone from the Italian State can tell us if it is legitimate to go
14:55to make these that were once called dossiers.
14:59So, we're still getting calls. Thank you all.
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