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03:21C'est pourquoi ?
03:23Jamea probablement pas vous là.
03:25Alors, pourquoi est-ce qu'elle invite me ?
03:27Je pense qu'elle a peut-être accidentellement invité vous.
03:30Mais elle a peut-être qu'elle a été sur la groupe thread.
03:33Et puis, elle a envoyé l'invite.
03:37Je ne sais pas ce qu'il est en train de faire ou où il est en train de faire.
03:39Est-ce qu'il y a tout ?
03:43Oui, j'ai tout tout à fait.
03:44C'est bien.
03:46C'est bien.
03:47C'est juste comme...
03:48C'est juste comme...
03:50Of course, je n'ai pas réussi à faire face de la partie.
03:53Votre-être pas vraiment contre cette envie de maman du tout,
03:57c'est que je vous laisse faire face.
04:00Et pour moi, je pense que la femme est à Dieu,
04:03je laisse ça se faire.
04:05Je n'ai pas voulu vous dire à tous.
04:07Je pense que c'est votre chanson.
04:09Vous essayez de prendre une personne pour vous en tête.
04:11Mais je sais que je n'ai pas pu pouvoir aller vous ennir.
04:17Or I can just go crash their party for you.
04:21I'll put my boxing gloves on.
04:23I would never really want to go to a party that I'm uninvited to,
04:27but I'm not letting Demi off the hook that easily.
04:30If you want to push me out, you're going to have to say it to my face.
04:33I'm going to give them what they want.
04:46I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
04:49I got everything you could ever want.
04:53Try me in your seat, I'll bring you to your knees.
04:57Baby, you're going to believe.
04:59Give us a minute to temptation.
05:38After New Orleans, it's just been so noisy and chaotic,
05:42and I'm wanting to wrap up the year of MomTalk
05:46in a positive way.
05:48Hello.
05:51Shut up.
05:53You look stunning.
05:54You look amazing.
05:56Oh, beautiful.
05:57I love this color on you.
05:59Hi.
06:00Hello.
06:02Welcome.
06:03Hi.
06:04Gorgeous.
06:06No, like, literally, I don't know who you are.
06:09I'm, like, weirded out.
06:10I'm, like, I don't, you really don't look like yourself.
06:14I have vocally expressed how I don't really see a need for Taylor
06:19in MomTalk.
06:20I don't know where everyone else kind of falls in with that,
06:23but I am just hoping that this night proves we're better off
06:26without her and that we can experience a new place that
06:29we've never been before.
06:29Oh, they got blankets.
06:31It feels pretty.
06:31The lake.
06:33Yeah.
06:33So pretty.
06:35To me, even the red coat?
06:36Yeah.
06:37You're so monochromatic today.
06:38You look like a mob wife.
06:40I know.
06:41So fancy.
06:42I know.
06:42I'm glad you guys were on board.
06:44Fulfilling my fantasy.
06:45Everyone looks so cute.
06:47Oh, I am.
06:48Oh, shit.
06:49Are you OK?
06:50No.
06:51How are you?
06:52Good.
06:53He's inside feeding Billy.
06:55I know.
06:55OK, we have to go inside.
06:56Like, my toes are literally going to fall.
06:59Yeah.
06:59Oh, my God.
07:00You look amazing.
07:02You guys look amazing.
07:04Whoa.
07:05I'm going to bust out some champagne for those that want it.
07:08I know you two are pregnant.
07:10We get first dibs.
07:10Yeah, I love it.
07:14Thank you.
07:15I love champagne.
07:16Did you get real champagne?
07:17Yeah, I did.
07:18I've never had champagne.
07:19Can we do a little toast really quick?
07:22I always feel like these events are supposed to be fun.
07:25But Demi is basically trying to kick Taylor out of MomTalk.
07:28And it's putting all of us in an uncomfortable situation
07:30between her and Taylor.
07:31And it just doesn't feel fair.
07:33Thank you all for coming tonight.
07:34This was such a special night.
07:36Cheers to another year of MomTalk surviving.
07:40and to many more years to come.
07:43Love you all.
07:44Merry Christmas.
07:45Cheers.
07:46Hold, hold, hold, hold, hold.
07:48Perfect.
07:48P.S. Dad Talk.
07:49Woo.
07:50So far, so good.
07:52Tonight is going amazing.
07:54Oh, more meatballs.
07:55Perfect.
07:55I feel like there's going to be minimal drama
07:57because Taylor's not here.
08:00And things are looking up for us right now.
08:05Oh, wait, I wanted chicken.
08:06Are you guys whispering about how tight my succeed is?
08:09is known for secrets.
08:11OK, let's go set.
08:21Hi, Liam.
08:22Hello.
08:23Hello.
08:24How are you?
08:26Good.
08:26Oh, shit.
08:27What are you doing?
08:30Just coming to drop off a present.
08:33Did you do come bearing gifts?
08:35Yes.
08:36Who is this for?
08:37For you, from Taylor.
08:39What the hell is Leanne doing here?
08:41Let your daughter fight her own battles, please.
08:44I would never be caught dead in this situation
08:47if this were my daughter.
08:48Did you just come alone?
08:49Yeah, I just came alone.
08:50Things have been nuts.
08:51Do you want to sit down and talk for a minute?
08:52Sure.
08:53Let's do it.
08:54This is such an interesting, weird situation.
08:56I think this feels like when she called you
08:59for not showing up to Taylor's shower.
09:01Leanne.
09:02Hey, Whitney.
09:04Yeah.
09:05This is Leanne, Taylor's mom.
09:06How's it going?
09:08Good, what's up?
09:09Good.
09:09I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
09:12Your mom called Whitney.
09:13Oh, my gosh.
09:15What up?
09:16I mean, to be frank, this is very on brand for Leanne.
09:20So what's going on?
09:22What's going on with Taylor?
09:22Oh, I don't know.
09:24That's what I was kind of wanting to find out from you.
09:27Yeah.
09:28You know, the obvious elephant in the room
09:31is just kind of the online stuff that's been going on.
09:35I kind of was, like, with her on this.
09:37This was such a huge thing for her to go and be on the CMAs.
09:41Mm-hmm.
09:42And I thought that was odd, too, that none of you guys,
09:46it just kind of seems weird.
09:47Like, are they jealous of you?
09:48You know, like, are they mad because they didn't get picked to go?
09:51OK, yes, that was strange.
09:53We all can agree.
09:54Like, do you agree with the way that she went about it?
09:56I think she did it, like, as, like, like, funny,
09:59like, being really catty and was, like, petty, you know?
10:02And she did it, and then it just got out of hand.
10:04Do you think that she needs someone to go over there?
10:07To me?
10:07Yeah.
10:10Maybe, but...
10:11You're voted in.
10:12I can't.
10:13It's you.
10:13You're the best friend.
10:14Client?
10:14I can't.
10:16This has gotten to the point where I've seen it
10:19happen with other people.
10:20I've watched it happen online,
10:22mixed in with the fact that I'm having Dakota calling,
10:24saying all the things that are happening behind closed doors
10:26in their relationship.
10:27So that's what is concerning to me.
10:30It's like you care about her well-being or her family or whatever,
10:33but it just seems like you want to be, like, Queen B.
10:36Oh, Leighann.
10:37And trying to be, like, OK, let's get Taylor out of the picture
10:40because for three years,
10:41and I understand that the situation at hand is toxic.
10:45That's where we're like, walk away.
10:46Like, stop doing it for the kids.
10:48Oh, yes.
10:49OK, you're good.
10:50Yes, yes.
10:50OK, cool.
10:51As a friend, you should go try to see, like,
10:53what's wrong with you, Taylor?
10:55What can I do to get you, like, some help?
10:59What can I do to make your load less?
11:01I mean, she's a single mom.
11:03I hope you understood, and I've been a single mom as well,
11:06and I've gone through very similar things that she has.
11:09I have texted her over 30 times just texting her
11:12to check in on her.
11:13To me, it was a single mom for a month.
11:16Guess how many times she's done that for me?
11:19Not once.
11:20Because right now, she can't.
11:21I mean, right now, she can't.
11:22It's been three years.
11:23She is.
11:24I know, but she never has.
11:25And this conversation is just getting more and more heated.
11:29I mean, I get it.
11:30Like, Leighann is Taylor's mom.
11:31She wants to stand up for Taylor, but I'm just like,
11:34why are you enabling this behavior?
11:36Why do you think that we're in the wrong right now?
11:38Why isn't your daughter in the wrong?
11:40How can you not see that?
11:41I want you to know, in the three years,
11:43I've also gone through a divorce.
11:45I've dealt with fertility issues, marital, financial issues,
11:49and not one time in three years has she called
11:52and checked in on me.
11:53And that's not just me.
11:54That's the group.
12:05I think Leighann's upset.
12:07She's like her.
12:08She's like her.
12:09I think so.
12:10She is a great person.
12:12Like, she's the one that brought you guys all together,
12:14whether you think so or not, when she was in her deepest.
12:23Deepest part of her life, you know, like,
12:25all her friends that, like, just disowned her.
12:27And to see her, her friends, her so-called friends,
12:33like, bash her.
12:35I'm so sick, especially with Taylor,
12:38of her getting a pass because she's going through hard things
12:41and saying, well, that's just how she is.
12:43Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
12:45This sucks, fucking sucked for us, too.
12:54Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
12:56This sucks, fucking sucked for us, too.
12:58Stop posting online.
13:00Actually care about your friends like we care about you.
13:03There's no way to spin this as though she's the victim.
13:07She's not the victim here.
13:08Is Demi for real right now?
13:09I can't believe she's yelling and cussing at Leighann,
13:12especially because we're taught in the church
13:13to treat others with respect.
13:15And, yeah, it's just very inappropriate.
13:17She does not get my sympathy anymore.
13:19She needs help.
13:20She needs to go to therapy.
13:22And she needs to go be a fucking mom.
13:26Ho, ho, ho!
13:30This is a...
13:31I'm looking for the nice girls.
13:33Zach, is that you?
13:34Are you from Pippin' Tales?
13:36Hello.
13:37Hi.
13:39We're the naughty one.
13:40She's the naughty one.
13:41We're the sinners.
13:42I hope Santa brings me a new group of friends.
13:45Just kidding.
13:46What do you girls want for Christmas?
13:48Peace and mom talk.
13:49Peace and mom talk.
13:50Peace and mom talk.
13:50Whatever Taylor's going through, I pray for her.
13:53I hope that she gets the help that she needs.
13:55I really do.
13:55I appreciate that.
13:57Okay.
13:57I'm going to let you guys finish your conversation.
13:59Yep.
13:59I'm going to go see Santa.
14:00Yep.
14:02Um...
14:03Is it snowing or is that fake?
14:04Oh, weird.
14:04Is that fake or is that real?
14:06Guys, the snow.
14:08Aww.
14:08Should we go look at it?
14:09Yeah.
14:10I'd rather be out there than in here.
14:11Really?
14:12I do think that I want to step in and defend Leanne
14:14because I'm really, really shocked by this behavior.
14:16I would never speak to anyone's mother this way,
14:19but to me, it's beyond being reasoned with at this point.
14:22So I think everyone's just, like, staying quiet to stay safe.
14:25But I think it is very telling that, like, if you sat down
14:27and you, like, talk to each of the girls and you...
14:30Don't mean to interrupt.
14:31Yeah.
14:32Surprise for you outside.
14:33We'll come back to this.
14:34Okay.
14:35Ah!
14:36I love it!
14:38Ooh-hoo-hoo!
14:39Okay, like, right here, babe.
14:43Ah, these are cool.
14:45I don't want to get in it.
14:46In the bubbles, like this.
14:48Oh, cute!
14:50I know!
14:51That was right in the eye.
14:53You know, I didn't mean to come and, like,
14:55just bombard your party, you know?
14:57No, it's okay.
14:58I know that you're a concerned mother.
15:00Um, anyway, do you want to walk her out to her car?
15:03No, that's okay.
15:04I appreciate you talking.
15:06And I feel like there'll be more to come.
15:07Oh, gosh.
15:08Because I haven't even pulled out my boxing gloves,
15:11so get ready.
15:12It was just so inappropriate all around.
15:16I definitely feel bad for Leigh-Anne right now.
15:18She's clearly emotional,
15:19and I don't think it's appropriate
15:21for Demi to be almost fighting her
15:23like she's Taylor.
15:25Like, these are all things
15:26that they should be saying to Taylor,
15:27and I don't think it's fair
15:28that they're taking it out on Leigh-Anne.
15:30Oh, I'm really sorry about everything.
15:31I just want you to know, as a mom,
15:33I totally sympathize with where you're coming from.
15:37I felt like I was listening half the time
15:38to Taylor 2.0.
15:40I know.
15:40Just deflection, deflection, excuses, excuses.
15:43I understand Leigh-Anne getting emotional.
15:46What I'm having a really hard time with
15:48is that you're sitting in front of people
15:50who she has been an absolute dog shit friend to,
15:54and you're trying to sell me
15:56on Taylor being a good person.
15:58Clearly, that was put into your head from Taylor.
16:01It's giving manipulation.
16:03Move it along.
16:05Are you going to open the gift?
16:08Should I open it?
16:09Taylor's gift?
16:09I don't really want to open her gift right now.
16:11Should I, though?
16:11Yeah.
16:12I want to see what it is.
16:13Okay, let's get this out of the way
16:15because I don't know what it is,
16:16and the track record with gifts in this group is not...
16:19Like, is it ticking at all?
16:22I'm like...
16:23It's a bomb!
16:25It's from Taylor.
16:27It's from Taylor.
16:27What? Oh, from Taylor.
16:28Is that your...
16:30Wait, I'm so confused right now.
16:32It's PR.
16:33It's JZ PR.
16:35I would die.
16:36Oh, my God!
16:38Did you give this to go?
16:42Wait, is there a card?
16:42Wait, is there a card?
16:43Wait, what the fuck?
16:44It's gotta be because of the whole...
16:46It is because of the JZ PR thing.
16:48Oh, my God!
16:49Yeah.
16:50Well, if that...
16:51Should we invite Leanne back in and say,
16:53I don't know who you know who your daughter is, actually?
16:56Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
16:57This is just so childish and, yet again, unsurprising.
17:02What are you doing?
17:04Uh...
17:04Well, my thought process was to gift me Jay-Z style hair products,
17:11because I think everyone in MomTalk should keep her at arm's length,
17:15because if you can do that to your best friend,
17:17you can do that to any of us.
17:20Okay, I'm gonna head out.
17:22Oh, love you.
17:23Love you.
17:24Hi.
17:24MomTalk was originally about not only women supporting women,
17:28but especially mothers supporting other mothers.
17:32I worry that maybe it's drifted from that.
17:34I'm not entirely sure if it's something I want to be a part of again,
17:37but it's also hard because I'm like, MomTalk could be great.
17:41Bye, Miranda!
17:42Bye, Kate!
17:43Bye, Miranda!
17:44So I thought that with, like, the new year and being MomTalk
17:47and celebrating MomTalk, I think we need to talk about things,
17:50like who's in, who's not, like, what's going on?
17:53Oh, okay.
17:54A board meeting?
17:55Yes, a board meeting.
17:55Oh, no.
17:56Businesses do this all the time, we're no different, lady.
17:58True.
17:59So let's find a time that works for everyone,
18:01but what does that look like?
18:02Like, who's coming?
18:03I think everyone come, let them speak their piece,
18:06and then go from there.
18:08I do feel like Miranda's, like, an honorary member at the moment.
18:11Like, we haven't officially brought her in,
18:13so should we do this without her?
18:15We need to get the OGs together for a minute and, like...
18:18Okay, so everyone but Miranda.
18:20Yeah.
18:20I'm really not sure how this meeting's gonna go,
18:22but it needs to happen because Demi is destroying the soul of MomTalk.
18:26I'm sad because I did consider Demi my best friend,
18:29but time and time again, she punches down on everyone,
18:31and it's her behavior that reads as destructive to MomTalk, not Taylor's.
18:35That's kind of how I view Taylor.
18:37Yeah.
18:37At what point are people, like, disengaging enough
18:41to where it's like,
18:42well, we're not gonna all pull the weight for you.
18:45Like, we're moving forward, and we're rebuilding,
18:47and we're reestablishing things.
18:48It seems to be a running pattern
18:50that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
18:53It's never gonna end well,
18:55and so I think that this conversation
18:56is very important to the future of MomTalk.
19:00So if you care, come.
19:01If you don't care, then don't be part of it.
19:02You're showing us, yeah.
19:19Do you think Liz has the big carrots like this?
19:22No way!
19:23Hi, son!
19:24Oh, my gosh!
19:25Oh, my gosh!
19:26How are you guys?
19:27How are you?
19:28Hi, Jess.
19:29I've been super busy
19:30because I am in the process of writing a book.
19:32I got a book deal.
19:34Woo!
19:34Like, officially?
19:36Yes.
19:37Yes.
19:37MomTalk is supposed to stand for women supporting women,
19:40but the fighting in MomTalk has gotten so out of control.
19:42When I first started social media,
19:44my whole goal was to inspire other women with my story,
19:47so writing this book,
19:48I'm really hoping I can lead by example.
19:50Come here, Harlow.
19:51Good to see you guys again.
19:52Good to see you guys.
19:53It's been a minute or two.
19:54My book is about my life story
19:57because I was a sophomore in college when I got pregnant,
20:00and when I was pregnant, Hudson's dad, Eric, passed away.
20:03No, I was sad I didn't get to go to the baseball game
20:05the other day.
20:06Hudson, he walked the first guy
20:07and then he struck out three in a row.
20:09I can't believe that.
20:10Hudson did the best.
20:12That's why I couldn't even believe it.
20:15We did tell Hudson about Eric.
20:16I think it's very important for Hudson
20:18to know about his dad because he is half of him.
20:22That's it! One more!
20:23And there's always going to be that curiosity
20:25and we've always wanted to be very open about it.
20:27And that way, too, he can keep his relationship
20:29really good with Jacob.
20:30Come sit down!
20:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:32What are you guys doing?
20:33I'm excited that I could come see you guys
20:35and Hudson can see you guys.
20:37I was going to say, like, I wanted to come, too,
20:39because I'm wanting to write a book.
20:41Like, it's obviously a super sensitive subject
20:44with Eric and everything,
20:45but, like, he's a huge part of my story.
20:47I don't think I always dealt with my grief.
20:50I don't think you really did deal with it.
20:52Yeah.
20:53It's even harder for me now as I've gotten older,
20:55because I see Hudson and I see him,
20:56I'm like, he's eight now.
20:58Like, he's, like, old now.
21:00It reminds me of him.
21:02And it's still hard for me.
21:06It still affects me a lot, and I just...
21:09I don't know.
21:13Hudson's dad, Eric, died in a car crash.
21:15I truly feel like he was my first love,
21:18and so it, like, just destroyed me.
21:21I didn't want to live, to be honest.
21:23And if it wasn't for my son,
21:25I don't even know if I'd be here today.
21:28I've never been to, like, the crash site,
21:30because I think I'm scared to feel, too,
21:32because I'm like, well, I'm happy,
21:33and, like, I don't want to feel sad.
21:34You can't move forward until you deal with it.
21:36I had so much grief and trauma from losing Eric,
21:39and I think I've avoided facing it for all these years,
21:41because it's just been too painful.
21:43But I think it's time for me to feel the feelings,
21:45finish this book,
21:46and hopefully inspire mom talk in the process.
21:49You were the only one he ever told me
21:50that he loved.
21:51Yeah.
21:53And you mattered to him.
21:55Yeah.
21:56And so all the more you mattered to me.
21:59Yeah.
21:59So I got your back.
22:01Yeah.
22:01We'll keep going.
22:02I know.
22:03I'm telling you, I promise you,
22:05that's what Eric wants.
22:07That's what Eric would want.
22:08Send me free.
22:34Uh-oh, your dad's here.
22:39Hi.
22:40Hey.
22:41Say hi.
22:42He's like your twin, Dakota Jr.
22:45What are you up to?
22:46Not much.
22:47Just working.
22:48Just working?
22:49How are you doing with you and Taylor not being together?
22:53It's, like, what's best right now,
22:54and I think it's the only way to just focus on getting better,
22:58because a lot of it is just that.
22:59It's, like, there just needs to be, like, some peace there.
23:02Yeah.
23:02Of, like, to, like, have some clarity and, like, think.
23:05Yeah.
23:06Um, you know what I'm saying?
23:09Going back to church at all?
23:11Yourself?
23:12Praying, it's, like, the one thing that can bring some true peace
23:15and happiness right now.
23:16Yes, for sure.
23:17That's what's always kept me going is just, like, prayer.
23:20Like, things don't always go the way that you want them to go.
23:23Yeah.
23:23It is really hard that we're broke up.
23:26I think if I would have been in a better place when I met Taylor,
23:29I think I could have seen the situation differently.
23:32The whole lying thing, that's a very selfish thing that I did.
23:36Being an addict for so long, it was like I was always having to hide that.
23:41Those traits still will come out sometimes, right?
23:43And especially, I feel like, in a relationship.
23:45And I've learned now, the truth will just set you free.
23:48Like, so just say it.
23:50She called me the other day, and, you know, she was just, like, emotional.
23:54Yeah.
23:54I think she's doing better, like, since you guys have been separated.
23:59Like...
23:59Yeah.
23:59Just, like, happier.
24:01And that's all I want, too.
24:03Yeah.
24:03I just want her to be happy.
24:05I just want her to, like, be healthy and to, uh...
24:07Yeah, that's the only thing I want for Taylor.
24:10Yeah.
24:10She's going to be in a really good place.
24:12Jeez, dude.
24:13What is going on?
24:17Love to hate.
24:18I can tell it's jealousy.
24:21I'm getting paid while you're living in Surrey.
24:26Make no mistake.
24:27I'll go down in infamy.
24:31Infamy.
24:33Yeah.
24:35This health journey I've been going through has really grounded me during all of this MomTalk drama,
24:40because it's me in the mirror.
24:42I was like, oh, it's so thin.
24:43Yeah, like, it's really thin.
24:44The biopsy was benign, which is such great news.
24:48Life is so short and it's so precious.
24:50And what's not important is us all yelling at each other as a group of friends.
24:53So leading up to this meeting with MomTalk, I have seen very worrisome behavior.
24:58So I think we just need to get things out in the open.
25:01Oh my gosh, you're back here.
25:02Hi.
25:03I didn't even know you were coming in.
25:04I know.
25:04I came to get some hair for my mom.
25:06Oh, I love it.
25:07I was like, I didn't know if you'd even be here.
25:08She definitely gets these too.
25:10Yeah, you know her stuff.
25:11So I was like, I know.
25:12It's actually perfect you're here because I was going to call you.
25:14Oh no, it's perfect.
25:14You come here.
25:15So what did you think of the drama at the Christmas party?
25:18I honestly like feel drained.
25:20I feel drained too, but it wasn't even about me.
25:22And I was like, are they going to like fight?
25:24Yeah.
25:24Like physically fight?
25:25I was about to say something.
25:26Mikaela's like, no.
25:27Like let it happen.
25:28Yeah, she was like, let it happen.
25:29I was like, we should tell them to go.
25:31And then she was like, no.
25:32I don't know.
25:32I am feeling so conflicted.
25:34Conflicted me?
25:35Yeah.
25:35It's hard to like all of a sudden look over.
25:37I see Leanne crying.
25:39Yeah.
25:39I just don't know how she feels like justified though in it.
25:41And I was like, why is she yelling?
25:43I don't know.
25:44I'm just, I'm at a point where I'm like, I feel like this has happened so much with Demi.
25:48And now anytime I see her doing this to me or other people, I'm so triggered.
25:52Like I literally feel like I have PTSD.
25:53Yeah.
25:54And I'm like, that's not a healthy friendship.
25:55No.
25:56Friendship should not feel that way.
25:57No.
25:58With me and Demi, we're at a crossroads right now where I'm like, okay, I can't condone this
26:04behavior and back this behavior.
26:05I'm putting myself in Leanne's shoes.
26:08I have someone like that yelling at you.
26:09Basically calling Leanne a terrible mother too is so uncalled for.
26:13Demi's also hurt me pretty deeply.
26:14So I see her through a different lens now.
26:17And with Demi, it's like, if you're not with her, you're against her.
26:19Like if someone did this to you and your family, you'd threaten to sue them.
26:22That's what you do to Jen.
26:23That's what you do to me, everyone else.
26:25I'd be pissed if someone did that to me, like a friend.
26:27I mean, now I kind of understand why you ride the fence.
26:29Cause like there's times when I'm like, I just want peace.
26:31Trust me.
26:31I know.
26:32Yeah.
26:32It's hard.
26:33Like we're all in this weird friendship.
26:35Yeah.
26:35And it's like, if you take sides every time, there wouldn't even be like a mom talk.
26:39I feel like Demi thinks that you guys have wrapped it up and then I see the conversations
26:42and I'm like, no.
26:44I don't know if I agree with Demi's definition of loyalty because I don't think she's always
26:48been a loyal friend to Jessie.
26:50I feel like Demi is really heated right now about Taylor, but she was really heated about
26:53Whitney in the past and Jen.
26:55And I think there is a lot of friendship mending that has to happen.
26:58But Demi's not a good friend.
27:00Friendships are hard.
27:01They are sucky.
27:01There's nothing worse than like dealing with a bad friendship.
27:03I almost feel like it affects you sometimes more than relationships.
27:06No, it does because relationships, there's an expectation.
27:08Like we're choosing this together.
27:10Don't screw me over.
27:11Yeah.
27:11Whereas friendships are almost harder cause it's like there wasn't that expectation.
27:14So it hurt me more.
27:15Even after Saints and Sinners and in New Orleans with everyone, I know she was mad at me
27:19for siding with Taylor on a few things, but I feel like through the Italy drama, I've had her back.
27:24Cause I'm like, I was there the whole time in Italy.
27:26Like I saw everything and I'm also friends of Marciano and I've like chatted with him about it.
27:31And he's like, nothing bad happened.
27:33That was fine.
27:34But I'm like, I've had your back during that.
27:36And even if you did something wrong, I would have your back.
27:38I would.
27:39Exactly.
27:39That's so frustrating.
27:41Just because I happen to agree with Taylor on something doesn't mean I'm a bad friend.
27:44Like there's a lot of gaslighting and manipulation going on.
27:47She's done it to Whitney now.
27:48She's done it to me.
27:49She's now doing it to Taylor.
27:50Like that's a scary friend.
27:52I don't know.
27:52I kind of feel like I'm at a place where I need to take a break from Demi.
27:55I don't blame you.
27:56I don't know what's going to happen.
27:58And I'm like scared.
27:58The real question is, are you still doing her hair?
28:01There's too much in life to be like, worried about like a friendship.
28:05Yeah.
28:05Like we have enough going on with like as moms and like even in like your relationship,
28:09like yours is obviously fine.
28:10But like in general, we should be building each other up.
28:12And not tearing each other down.
28:14I know.
28:14And I feel like it's not always like that in our friend group.
28:16Yeah.
28:16A hundred percent it's not.
28:18I'm really hoping we can get back to a place where MomTalk is supportive again.
28:23But right now that's not happening.
28:24And I feel like we all need to sit down and maybe talk about some hard truths to kind of
28:28figure out the future of MomTalk.
28:48Tonight we're finally having the big MomTalk meeting to hopefully get to the bottom of what's eating away at our
28:52group.
28:53The escalating tension between Demi and Taylor is so thick right now.
28:57And it's impossible for it not to affect MomTalk.
28:59It feels like something has got to get tonight because MomTalk cannot go on like this.
29:04I don't really want to pick sides, but if I have to, I'm not going to choose the side of
29:08someone that's forcing my hand.
29:09It's time for a reckoning.
29:12There she is.
29:13Wait, it's actually not that bad.
29:15It looks good with a star strip.
29:16It's like surgical super glue.
29:18Is this bruising or is that part of the tape?
29:20Yeah, it's bruising.
29:20It was, it's just weird to like, like they cut my throat open.
29:23Like that's the weirdest thing to wrap your head around.
29:25You get to see it?
29:25No.
29:31Oh, your best friend's here.
29:33Oh.
29:33Oh, come in.
29:34Are you late?
29:36I am.
29:37I'm always late.
29:41Hello.
29:44How's it going?
29:45Hi.
29:45Thanks for coming.
29:46This is so cute.
29:49Oh, you can just put it wherever.
29:50Yeah, thank you.
29:52Should we go sit down?
29:53Yeah.
29:54Interesting.
29:55Things are already brewing.
29:57Hi.
29:58Hi.
29:59What's your status with Taylor?
30:01I feel like we're fine.
30:03I feel like we're fine.
30:03Like we've talked and like, I feel like at this point because she like apologized and she's
30:06been making an effort.
30:07And so I said, that's all I needed to see.
30:09Yeah.
30:09But how are you feeling?
30:10Have you guys talked at all?
30:11We haven't talked.
30:13We haven't talked.
30:15Since Saints and Sinners?
30:18Yeah.
30:19That's been a long time.
30:21Taylor is on a path of self-destruction.
30:24She is now letting her bad habits and patterns bleed into how mom talk is perceived online.
30:32That's all of our business and reputation.
30:34To me, I don't think she is qualified in any way being the leader.
30:39I'm trying to get some sugar down my throat so I can put up a good fight.
30:43Because you haven't talked to them since your mom came to the Christmas party, right?
30:47Did she tell you about that?
30:48I heard.
30:51I was excluded from the Christmas party.
30:54So obviously my mom tells me the story and the disrespect Demi has towards my mom and
31:00my family.
31:01Demi was so lucky that I was not there.
31:04It like, mmm.
31:05When I do argue with her, I will hold my own because I'm done.
31:09So do you feel like you guys need to have a conversation then?
31:12For sure.
31:13Cue her.
31:15Cool.
31:15I was just asking if you guys have talked at all.
31:17Since Saints and Sinners.
31:19Do you feel like you guys need to talk?
31:20I mean, I don't really have anything nice to say.
31:22So probably shouldn't say anything.
31:26I don't want to go over there.
31:27Doesn't look like a fun place to be.
31:29I don't think you guys are ever going to be friends.
31:31It's hard when we're in a group like this, though, because there's a lot on the line for all of
31:36us.
31:36Like we do this as our job and we're a group of women that people look up to.
31:39And I love that we have that.
31:41But it's disappointing when we're kind of showcasing that we're still fighting like we're in high school sometimes.
31:46So I feel like this is actually the perfect time, though, since like Miranda's not here to talk about like
31:52her place in the group and Whitney's place in the group.
31:54And just kind of how you mentioned at the Christmas party that we kind of need to like reconvene and
31:58chat because we have to run like a business that we have to have like guidelines and rules.
32:03Like what's the business? I don't even know what the business is anymore.
32:06I mean, it was posting together, but we don't even do that.
32:09Yeah, I know. Like I don't even know last time we all made a video together.
32:16We need to decide if it's getting back to that or not.
32:19I feel like we all used to have so much fun in mom talk.
32:21We would get together and make content goof around.
32:23And mom talk is something that's super important to me as a single mom.
32:26It's gotten me through some really tough times.
32:28I know that things are really bad right now, but I'm not willing to give up.
32:31And I hope that the other girls are willing to fight for mom talk too.
32:35I think for me, it comes down to effort.
32:37And if someone comes in and they're just like not really showing that effort, which I did feel about Miranda
32:41in the beginning, then I'm like not interested.
32:44But if they are trying to integrate themselves in, I think it's just you have to go off of what
32:48they're doing.
32:49But again, it's going to be different for everyone.
32:50You're right, you're right.
32:52You can say you've seen effort with Whitney reaching out to you outside of it.
32:55And I haven't.
32:56Yeah.
32:56Other people haven't.
32:57And then same with Miranda.
32:59Miranda's reaching out to you.
33:00She hasn't reached out to us outside of it.
33:01Yeah.
33:01And so it's hard because I'm not a definite no, but I'm like, I haven't seen that effort.
33:06I guess.
33:06How do you feel about Miranda right now?
33:12Personally, I don't have like any close friendship with her anymore.
33:16I don't think it'll ever be the same for me.
33:18And I think she came in at a convenience.
33:21So I would say no.
33:23All right.
33:23Let's just do this right now.
33:25I think with Miranda, we give it more time.
33:26I think it's exactly what we did with Whitney.
33:28And I think that's fair.
33:31I feel good about Whitney.
33:32How do you feel?
33:33I'm good.
33:34I'm happy with the progress.
33:36I'm good.
33:37Same.
33:38I'm fine with it.
33:39I don't honestly care if you are or not in the group because I have my feelings towards
33:44you and I've given you chances and I feel like done dirty after having your back.
33:50For what?
33:51How did that damage you?
33:52Because I stuck up for Whitney out of everyone when she was the one who hated me.
33:58I did that for her.
33:59When no one liked her, when no one was raising their hand to be in mom talk, I did.
34:03And when everyone was being mean to her, I was like, I'm not going to participate in
34:05this kicking someone while they're down on social media or any of it.
34:09And I literally said that at Miranda's thing.
34:11Even though there's tension here, do you feel like you can coexist with Whitney?
34:14I mean, I'm fine to let her in.
34:15I'm not saying I'm going to be like friends with her or anything, but she can be, I can
34:18be cordial.
34:21Can you coexist?
34:22At this point, I don't think I have to say anything.
34:24I think everyone knows where I stand.
34:25Majority rule.
34:26She's back in.
34:27Confetti.
34:30Of course I'm happy.
34:32Majority rules.
34:32I mean, sure.
34:33Do I wish that everyone was in favor of voting me back in?
34:36Absolutely.
34:37But that's out of my control.
34:40Is that okay with everyone?
34:42I guess we'll see.
34:44I have conversations with everyone and I feel like they're all on the same page that
34:47I am.
34:48I don't think she's ever going to change.
34:50And I just am over it.
34:53I'm over it.
34:53I feel like once her true colors come out again, it's definitely going to be an I told
34:57you so moment.
34:59Demi, on the other hand, no.
35:01I would say no for me.
35:03We're not voting on me.
35:04What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:06You're so weird.
35:07I've been in mom talk this whole time.
35:10We're not voting on people who are in mom talk.
35:12What are you doing?
35:12I never said vote.
35:13I just said I couldn't be fortunate with you.
35:15You said you coexist with Whitney, but not with Demi.
35:16Yeah.
35:17What are you talking about?
35:18I thought you were taking a vote.
35:20Did I say that?
35:24Well, you said Demi, on the other hand, after we just voted.
35:26Okay, let's talk about projection.
35:27Geez, I didn't even say that.
35:28That's not projection.
35:29That was a misunderstanding.
35:32Demi, you mentioned if I'm in mom talk, like you don't want to be in mom talk.
35:37So I think you mentioned that to the girls.
35:39Is that correct?
35:40Who told you that?
35:42Um, who told you that?
35:43What does it matter?
35:45Who told you?
35:45It doesn't matter.
35:46You said it, so.
35:47Okay, let's just take the bitch level down a notch.
35:51Let's just talk human to human for once in your goddamn life.
35:54Human to human.
35:56Just take it down a notch.
35:57I don't like you and I don't have to change my tone.
35:59That's fine.
35:59I've done absolutely nothing to you.
36:01What?
36:02What have I done other than react to your poor behavior?
36:04I don't think you've been a good friend.
36:06What have I done?
36:08You're a shitty person to people.
36:10You've gone at Whitney when she's down, kicked her down.
36:12You've done it to Jen.
36:14You've done it to Jessie.
36:14You've done it to me.
36:15Okay?
36:16I've done what to Jessie?
36:19You've done what to Jessie?
36:20Oh my gosh.
36:21Your bullshit lie about Jess?
36:23What lie?
36:24About the hair drama.
36:25You twisting that whole thing.
36:26It's all bullshit.
36:27That was true.
36:29No, it wasn't Taylor.
36:31That was not true.
36:32The way you twisted it, I never said she's not good at hair.
36:35It was just hurtful to me that as a friend, you wouldn't support my business.
36:39I just, and I said that to you.
36:40But where is the friend I am?
36:42That's my whole life.
36:43It's not-
36:43You were really dick kicking Jessie out for money.
36:45You're not a good friend.
36:48Jessie, are you worried Demi was willing to take a bigger contract even if it meant you potentially being dropped
36:52from the show?
36:53We can't run away from this.
36:54I know.
36:55Okay, here we are.
36:56That was a reaction to multiple things.
36:59It's always a reaction.
37:00Look at you.
37:00Listen to you.
37:01Multiple things had happened with Jessie and I that led to that point.
37:05It scared me a little bit that your reaction was like, she's out, no morals, no values, let's move on
37:10without her.
37:11It scared me that that was your immediate reaction.
37:14Okay.
37:14I was just like, I'm so sad and confused and upset. I was just really hurt.
37:20And I feel like you took that instead and just took it to a level that I would never have
37:25taken it to, even with the context we didn't have.
37:28Taylor's right.
37:29I don't feel like Demi's really taking accountability for how she hurt me.
37:32It's super disappointing.
37:33I mean, she speaks like she's a therapist and a lot of times that can make you feel like you
37:37are in the wrong and that she's right because she's so wise and it makes it seem like she's sorry
37:41when she's not.
37:42What about Jen?
37:44Have you kicked her while she's down?
37:45Because she lied and acted like-
37:47Lied about what?
37:48About Italy?
37:49What'd she lie about?
37:49She lied about what happened in Italy.
37:52What was the lie?
37:53I'm curious.
37:54She said to-
37:56Here you are stuttering. Go ahead.
37:57No, I'm trying to figure it out. Your eyes scare me.
37:59Why do you have to figure out what happened?
38:01I'm so shocked by Demi's inability to take accountability. I'm starting to wonder if there's any truth behind Jen's allegations
38:07of what happened in Italy and maybe that's why Demi turned on her.
38:11So I feel like I need to reach out to Marciano to finally get to the truth of what actually
38:15happened in Italy with Demi.
38:16You guys are never going to be friends. It's fine. But like how do we like progress from here? Because
38:20like this fucking sucks.
38:22Well, she's going to like life ruining. That's like completely different. I wouldn't do that to any single one of
38:27you.
38:28Yes.
38:28Life ruining.
38:29Do you know what you've done by calling me out? Do you know what that did and how it affected
38:34my children and Dakota and what that's done to him?
38:36You don't because you're just a selfish bitch.
38:42Oh.
38:44You only brought that information out because you were upset that I told Jessie the truth about what you think
38:49about her underwear.
38:50That's not true.
38:50Yeah, it is.
38:51No, it's not.
38:51I don't want to see you ripped from your kids. Do you want that to happen?
38:55I don't want to be the one to do that. Hence why I haven't done that.
38:58You don't know the truth.
38:58It doesn't matter.
38:59But guess who does? Therapy does. They all know the fucking truth, okay?
39:02So when you know the full truth, then you can speak on it until then shut the fuck up.
39:06I just don't I don't think it's appropriate anyways because we don't have the context.
39:10They don't.
39:11She brought it up.
39:12This is someone's family and their kids.
39:13Yes.
39:14And I don't think I think it's off topic.
39:15And you don't know the full story.
39:16That's a very serious allegation that Demi said to you.
39:19An allegation that you don't know anything about.
39:23These pants are too tight for this conversation.
39:26Okay.
39:27So if you guys can't coexist, what's going to happen?
39:29I mean, she was the one who brought up. I can't be in it if Taylor's in it. So I
39:33mean, I'm trying to get that clear.
39:34So do you still feel that way?
39:36I don't know if it's worth it for me.
39:41How do you feel like your friendship stand with all of us though?
39:44Because I feel like there has been upset feelings because we're most of us are not in a bad place.
39:49It's jarring to see how quickly things have been brushed under the rug.
39:53How can you guys be friends with something? She's disgusting.
39:56She's a disgusting human being.
39:59I don't understand it. Like, please someone make sense of it. Someone make sense of it.
40:06Anyone?
40:08No, because I don't think anyone feels as deeply about it.
40:11Yeah, this is between you two for sure.
40:13If I was watching someone treat my friend and talk to knowing the type of person I am and the
40:20type of friend I've been to all of you,
40:21I would be fighting to the death defending each and every single one of you.
40:28That's the type of friend I am.
40:30I have been so loyal to each of you.
40:34Yeah, so if you feel that way, the door's there for me.
40:41Am I the only one that cares about true friendship and loyalty and I'm alone on an island?
40:49I'm just feeling like all of this is for nothing at this point and it's extremely frustrating.
40:53As of now, I'm not feeling comfortable and I'm feeling very conflicted.
40:58So I'm going to take some time if you guys don't mind and just like decide if I want to
41:03continue in mom talk.
41:09Yeah, we don't mind.
41:10I don't mind. Sorry.
41:12Excuse me.
41:13Oh my gosh.
41:18As of now, wiping my hands clean.
41:21I'm done with mom talk.
41:23I can't do it anymore.
41:24Okay.
41:24Bye guys.
41:26We are done.
41:28How's your throat feeling?
41:30It's all right.
41:31I mean, Demi's a grown ass woman.
41:33I'm not going to beg for you to stay.
41:34I'm officially back in mom talk.
41:36I got my big fat gold star that I was wanting.
41:39That was crazy.
41:41I love that Demi was trying to basically get me kicked out of mom talk.
41:45It completely backfired on her.
41:46It feels good to have everyone support me because mom talk is a business, but it is a lot more
41:52than that.
41:52I do think that there's hope for all of us girls to come together and be a team and to
41:59bring light back into it.
42:03Always a pleasure.
42:04That was a lot.
42:08I feel like I need to stay and decompress after.
42:10I know.
42:11I wish in this group we can just have individual friendships and it doesn't need to be like a loyalty
42:14thing.
42:15Well, like I've done this for you.
42:16So like you have to hate this person because I hate this person.
42:18Like that's so.
42:23Well, you want to be able to tell the truth without them being like, wait a second.
42:27I like always stand up for you.
42:28I think again, what mom talk was built on is like the empowerment woman empowerment.
42:32I think it's empowering to go off everyone else's beliefs in their experience and say, you know what?
42:36Actually, I don't believe with you and that's fine.
42:38You can stand in your own beliefs and what benefits you like for me and my health with Whitney.
42:42I'm like, sorry.
42:43No, that's a boundary.
42:50This was really fun.
42:52Are you happy we came over?
42:53No.
42:59In the past, I have been Demi's lap dog, but I feel like I'm kind of in an era where
43:04I'm standing up for myself and I honestly feel like mom talk is better off without her.
43:08Now we can finally start to heal.
43:10Well, I appreciate you guys coming over, but that was crazy.
43:13Well, I got some entertainment for the night.
43:16Like I was watching Jerry Springer.
43:28I didn't tell you why I said there's a time and place for everything.
43:32And I said shut up.
43:38I already got teary on my way over here.
43:40So I'm like, okay.
43:40It's going to be good.
43:42I think it'll be healing.
43:44Well, it's something that I need to do.
43:45Oh, absolutely.
43:46I don't want to do it at all.
43:47I don't want to do this right now.
43:49I know.
43:49I mean, it's been almost 10 years.
43:51So you think I would have done it by now.
43:52Yeah.
43:54I've never been to Eric's crash site.
43:56And I think it is really important to me on my healing journey, especially writing this book.
44:00And with all the drama that's in mom talk, sometimes it's easy to forget what's actually important.
44:06But this all happened.
44:07I said, I want to write a book to help other women so that they don't feel alone like I
44:12did when I was going through everything.
44:13It's like I never want to leave things on a bad note with like most anybody.
44:16Well, I get that, especially because you have so many, like you have so many regrets too with the things
44:22that you said to Eric.
44:23Yeah, exactly.
44:24Maybe you still have a lot of that guilt.
44:26I do.
44:27It's like I have regrets.
44:28I regret what I said, unfortunately.
44:32I was 13 weeks and five days pregnant.
44:35Me and him got into a disagreement, mainly me.
44:38I was upset with him and we were sending texts back and forth.
44:42And one of his texts was unfinished at the end of it.
44:45So I was kind of like waiting for him to respond.
44:47What were you doing when you found out?
44:49Oh, God.
44:49Do you remember?
44:50Yeah.
44:51I was at like a Mexican restaurant and I was like scrolling on my phone.
44:54and I saw someone post like RIP Eric Mack.
44:58And it was like, like on Instagram?
44:59On Instagram.
45:00And I was like, what is this?
45:08Oh, my God.
45:09You're freaking out.
45:10Oh, no.
45:11You're okay, okay.
45:11Shh.
45:13We'll be here with you.
45:14I remember calling him and just like hoping.
45:19Just hoping he would answer.
45:25And the worst part of it was just hearing the dial tone and just being like, please God, like answer
45:30the phone.
45:33I called his dad and his dad told me that he passed away in a car accident in Spanish Port
45:39Canyon.
45:40It was the most traumatic time of my entire life.
45:48I think it's like triggering.
45:50Well, for sure it's triggering, especially if you've never put yourself in that position.
45:56I know.
45:57Even after all these years, it felt like it's easier.
46:00I think it's really good, though, that you're going to see it and hopefully it'll be closure.
46:05I know.
46:06I hope so.
46:08Oh, God.
46:09I have anxiety.
46:09I have anxiety.
46:19Should we do a hug before we go out there?
46:22Yeah.
46:22I love you.
46:24I love you.
46:27Oh, don't cry already.
46:30You're going to make me cry.
46:32It's okay.
46:34It's okay.
46:42I think it's at this marker right here.
46:44Oh, no.
46:51Okay.
47:00I love you.
47:02I love you.
47:07I guess I will just leave this here then.
47:09Yeah.
47:11I remember getting there for the funeral.
47:14And his parents had to hold me on each arm because I was just a wreck.
47:19I remember telling him that we were having a baby boy and that I was so sorry for all the
47:26things that happened before he passed because I said some pretty hurtful things.
47:35Please.
47:37Give me love and let it go.
47:42Take my body and my soul.
47:46Take me higher.
47:49Meisie is opening up about one of the hardest moments in her life.
47:52I feel like it's still really important with all the drama and all the toxic energy going around and momtalk
47:57right now.
47:57Nous nous demandons toujours pour être là pour nos amis.
48:00Tu veux dire un petit peu de prière ?
48:02Je veux dire ça pour toi.
48:03OK, merci.
48:05C'est beaucoup pour moi que j'ai voulu me croire pour être là pour elle aussi.
48:10J'ai dit Heavenly Father, nous sommes donc heureux pour ce beau jour
48:14pour être ici, pour remettre Eric.
48:17Please bless Macy et Eric's famille,
48:18pour qu'ils puissent voir qu'ils puissent.
48:21Et puis, bless Hudson,
48:23pour qu'il puisse sentir Eric et sa vie
48:25et savoir ce qu'un jeune jeune homme est.
48:28Et comment amazing Macy est.
48:30Je veux dire ces choses dans le nom de Jésus-Christ, Amen.
48:34Why am I going to cry now ?
48:37Il y a un weight qui a été lifté de mes shoulders.
48:39Je pense que c'est quelque chose que j'ai toujours à faire,
48:41que je ne pensais jamais si je n'aurais jamais été fait
48:42si je n'avais pas pu me faire.
48:44J'ai toujours dit que Mikaela va toujours avoir ma back,
48:48et c'est la meilleure partie de Mom Talk.
49:30Ciao.
49:30Par une pièce sur le haut.
49:32Le notre-jeu, c'est ce qui vous soutient.
49:35Merci.
49:35C'est fini, c'est fini.
49:37C'est� murder.
49:38J'aurais centimeters, euends pas àOS spécial caractère.
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