Duilio Saggia Civitelli fu ucciso con una colpo di pistola alla testa nel 1995 al binario 10 della stazione Ostiense. Le piste seguite furono quella passionale e l'ipotesi dell'usura, ma dopo tre anni di inchieste il caso fu archiviato. #BluNotte #CarloLucarelli #ColdCase #Crime #TrueCrime #Giallo #CronacaNera
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00:00Music
00:58Music
01:14If it hadn't actually happened, the case we're telling this evening could have been written by Raymond Chandler.
01:20It could be one of those detective novels, a little melancholic, dark and hard,
01:24starring Philip Marlowe, a private investigator in 1940s Los Angeles.
01:31But here we are not in California, here we are in Italy, we are in Rome
01:35and Mr. Duilio, wise Civitelli, was a private investigator only part time
01:39and this is a real news story.
01:42But there is a bit of that novel atmosphere here too, in this strange and complicated case.
01:47and above all in him, Mr. Duilio.
01:49We are in Rome, at the Ostiense station, a secondary station of the State railways
01:55and February 12, 1995.
01:59Music
02:17The beginning is that of a detective novel, or rather, of a film.
02:31Benario 10
02:32The platform of the 5:25 pm train to Formia
02:40Sunday afternoon, around 5pm on a February day
02:44Some trains in transit, fast and anonymous, that don't stop
02:48The station is deserted and more or less silent, but completely deserted
02:54Except something, something strange lying on the dock
02:58It is a railway worker who notices him, an elongated, stretched out figure, like a survivor who has fallen to someone.
03:08Instead no, it's a man, it's a man lying on the ground
03:13The man is a middle-aged gentleman and is lying on a pine tree with his arms stretched out on his sides.
03:19At the base of the skull there is a wound, from which a large amount of blood has come out
03:24And he also has a bruise, a big bruise, on his left cheekbone.
03:27He shows no signs of life
03:29The driver immediately alerts the station police officers
03:34Who in turn immediately alert the flying squad, the magistrate and the coroner
03:40On the surface, however, it seems to be an accident.
03:44The coroner and the commissioner of the flying squad who are dealing with the case
03:48They don't notice anything in particular
03:50Their idea is that the man died by hitting his head.
03:55He was standing on the platform, perhaps walking back and forth
03:58When he felt ill and fell
04:00He hit his face violently against a lamppost
04:04Producing those chymoses on the cheekbone
04:06And then he fell backwards, smashing his head on the pavement.
04:10An accident
04:12Happens
04:13A bad accident
04:15The man is identified by documents
04:18Eduilio Saggia Civitelli, 53 years old, resident in Rome
04:22He was immediately transported to the hospital mortuary.
04:27And in the meantime the relatives are notified
04:29They had been looking for him for a while because he wasn't answering his cell phone.
04:32It would have the usual painful routine that happens in these circumstances
04:37Fabio Saggia Civitelli tells us about it
04:40One of Mr. Duilio's sons
04:42Interviewed for us by Lorenzo Viganò
04:44Mr. Civitelli, would you like to tell us what happened on that Sunday, February 12, 1995?
04:51But it just so happened that a friend
04:56He had heard that something had happened at the station.
04:58And there when he said exactly that it was
05:02The investigator there from the Ostienza station
05:07The interlocutor said very coldly
05:09His father died on platform 10
05:11We around 6.30pm
05:1319 we learned this by phone
05:17What did you do after the phone call telling you what had happened?
05:21But I tell myself
05:21There where I already found a certain number of policemen
05:25I have a scene imprinted in my mind that I arrived without even asking permission obviously
05:30And a woman, a lady who I later learned was an official of the Flying Squad
05:34It practically blocked me
05:36There was my brother who was standing next to dad
05:37And he told me no, my brother, let him pass.
05:41Then from that moment on it was routine
05:44I believe that in these cases, on the part of the police officials
05:47With the first questions
05:49Because then there and then
05:52It seemed to us
05:54There were questions and if he was sick
05:56We thought it was a coincidence
05:57In fact, the same police took us to testify the first time
06:01Not even an interrogation
06:02It was in the Polferre offices
06:05Where they listed the things he was wearing
06:08We are saddened by the fact that unfortunately the law imposed in cases of this kind
06:11The police intervention was fatal and then performed the autopsy.
06:15Because this is the practice
06:17And it ended
06:20Except for us, it ended that same evening.
06:22That is, the coroner said that there was a
06:25There was a sudden illness
06:27Falling and hitting your head
06:29And instead no
06:30Why the commissioner of the flying squad
06:32Dr. Intini is not convinced
06:34There's something wrong with that accident.
06:37So he asks the coroner, Professor Rossi
06:41Don't wait too long
06:42And to go to the hospital immediately the next morning
06:45To perform the autopsy
06:46At 7am on Monday morning
06:48Professor Rossi performs the external exam
06:51Of that body found on the platform of track 10
06:55The commissioner is right
06:56Something's not right
06:58The next day was one thing
07:00One of those things that you probably never forget
07:02Because in fact dad died twice
07:04He died for the first time
07:06When he really died
07:07It's something that leaves its mark
07:10The second time
07:11The next morning
07:12I went personally accompanied
07:14From one of our former agency collaborators
07:17They plant trees where the morgue is
07:21As the police had told us
07:24With the person in charge of the rope bomb
07:25To collect the body
07:26Instead there is a policeman
07:29With a white coat
07:30We have to do all the checks
07:32Go home and we'll contact you.
07:34After a while
07:36An official came to the house
07:39A police commissioner
07:40Which was the mobile squad
07:41And he showed up right away
07:42Name and surname
07:44Homicide Section Dissue
07:45Already
07:46And he confirmed it to us
07:47When he received a phone call
07:49On his cell phone
07:49That there was this little hole
07:52Of a nape cut
07:52That had not been seen the night before
07:55So what were you thinking at that moment?
08:00It's impossible
08:04They are those things that you look into your eyes
08:07And you say
08:08There are wrong
08:09They're getting it wrong
08:11They'll say in a little while
08:11There are wrong
08:13It's not an accident
08:14It's a murder
08:15The hole behind the neck
08:17By Mr. Duilio
08:18It was provoked
08:19From a gunshot
08:20A bullet
08:2138 Special Caliber
08:23Shot from a revolver
08:24Astra Cadix model
08:26As the ballistics expert states
08:27After examining
08:28The scratches on the bullet
08:30Shot by no less
08:32One meter away
08:33As the coroner states
08:34After noticing
08:36That on the head
08:36By Mr. Duilio
08:37There are no burns
08:38Caused by the blaze
08:40Coming out of the barrel
08:41Of the gun
08:43It's shot
08:44Shortly before
08:44Of the discovery
08:45By Mr. Duilio
08:46Because in your pocket
08:47He is found again
08:48A ticket
08:49Obliterated at
08:50The central door
08:51Of the station
08:52Seven minutes before
08:53At 4.56pm
08:56The bullet
08:57Whose bullet casing
08:59He is not found
08:59Because when a revolver
09:01Shoot holds him back
09:01In the drum
09:02The bullet
09:03It's a bullet
09:04Shirtless
09:05That is, a bullet
09:06Of soft lead
09:07Not copper-plated
09:08That when it hits
09:10It is a solid surface
09:11It deforms
09:11Slowing down one's pace
09:13Because of this
09:14When he entered from behind
09:15He stopped inside
09:16Against the cheekbone
09:18Causing those chymoses
09:20Which made you think
09:20To an accident
09:22But it's not about
09:23Of an accident
09:23It's not about
09:24Of a heart attack
09:25To Mr. Duilio
09:26On the dock
09:27Of that platform 10
09:28Of the Ostia station
09:29They shot him
09:31Someone
09:31He approached him
09:32He pointed at him
09:33The gun to the head
09:34And he shot him
09:36Direct
09:363100
09:54Who and why
09:56Who he really was
09:58Mr. Duilio
09:59To find out
10:00We are not going to Los Angeles
10:02By James and Roy
10:03O by Raymond Chandler
10:04But in Rome
10:17For a crime like this
10:19We need a city
10:20Like Los Angeles
10:21That's where they take place
10:22The stories that have
10:23As protagonists
10:24Private investigators
10:30But this one
10:31It's not just a story
10:32This is Chronicle
10:33And our city
10:34It's Rome
10:45This city is strange
10:46Strange and beautiful
10:48Like all big cities
10:50You can make it smaller
10:51Divide it into zones
10:52Isolated neighborhoods
10:53And it becomes many cities
10:54With the name of a single city
10:55And all different
10:56From each other
11:11It's like Los Angeles
11:13By Raymond Chandler
11:14And James and Roy
11:14Which changes its name
11:16Depending on the roads
11:17Or names
11:17Of the police districts
11:21It's a city you can wander around for hours
11:23Following a trail
11:24A hypothesis
11:25Or an idea
11:34This is a strange city.
11:35Strange and beautiful
11:37A city you can walk through
11:38By train
11:39Passing by a station
11:40To the other
11:41As if they were stations
11:42From many different cities
11:43Which sometimes seem
11:44Even small country villages
11:51Then just take two steps
11:53Exit the station
11:54Turn the corner
11:55And you realize that you are always in Rome
11:57Still in a large and ancient city
11:59In a metropolis
12:00Like Los Angeles
12:08Mr. Duilio
12:10He was a representative
12:11Of retired household appliances
12:13Who had helped the children
12:14To open a detective agency
12:16And every now and then he collaborated with them
12:18He was married
12:20Even if practically
12:21He was separated from his wife
12:22He was living with another woman
12:24In a small villa
12:25Near Torvaianica
12:26The weekends
12:27He spent them with his family
12:28With his wife
12:29The children and grandchildren
12:30The rest of the week
12:31With the other woman
12:32Besides this though
12:33Mr. Duilio
12:35He was a special type
12:36Very interesting
12:37A little strange
12:38We talk about it with Alessandro Riva
12:40And Lorenzo Viganò
12:42It's a complex character
12:43This one from Mr. Duilio
12:44It's almost a character
12:45From a novel character
12:46You went around
12:48To ask
12:48And to look for information
12:50What character emerges?
12:52So in the meantime
12:53His position is familiar
12:55He lived
12:57With two women
12:59He lived separated in the house
13:01With his wife
13:02With whom he spent
13:03The weekend
13:04Here in Rome
13:05And the rest of the week
13:07Instead he spent it
13:08With his lover
13:09Or rather
13:09A companion
13:10As he defined it
13:11Because anyway
13:12His wife was perfectly
13:13Each of the two
13:14It was perfectly
13:15Aware of the existence
13:16Of the other
13:17And what kind of guy is he?
13:18Of life he made
13:19So an official report
13:20Yes yes
13:21Absolutely official
13:23And then there is to say
13:24Which is precisely because of this halo of his
13:25A little romantic
13:27He was a man
13:27Who liked women
13:29Everyone told us this
13:30Everyone told us about it
13:32Which in short he had
13:32Had previously too
13:34Different experiences
13:36With girls too
13:38Younger people
13:39In short, about him
13:39So to Mr. Duiglio
13:41They liked women
13:42And he had other passions
13:43Other interests
13:44His main hobby
13:46It was the one with the little trains
13:47He was a great enthusiast
13:50Of mechanical trains since forever
13:53At home he had
13:53He had two plastics
13:55In the house of the little trains
13:56A very large one
13:57Which occupied almost the entire apartment
13:59And then precisely
14:00He met with other enthusiasts
14:03Toy train collectors
14:04He had met his partner
14:07Right through
14:08These collectors
14:11What kind of person was Mr. Duiglio?
14:13He was a precise guy
14:14On the edge of mania
14:16So much so that when
14:17They killed him
14:20In the bag they found
14:21Near the body
14:23They didn't find
14:24He had no people
14:26But inside this bag
14:27They found for example
14:28A very long sheet of paper
14:29Like the fax ones
14:30To be clear
14:31With all the names
14:32And the phone numbers
14:34Marked by all people
14:36Probably
14:37His clients
14:38His friends
14:39And then he had
14:41Even a series of scattered sheets
14:44Which served as an agenda
14:46Probably
14:48Which divided each sheet
14:50In seven parts
14:52And in these seven parts
14:53Which corresponded
14:53To the seven days of the week
14:55He marked everything
14:56So a real character
14:58From a detective novel
14:59Up to now
14:59Yes
15:00Just a character
15:01From a detective novel
15:02With some dark sides
15:04But really dark
15:06Also due
15:07To the utmost confidentiality
15:09That he had
15:10In comparisons
15:10About his private life
15:12For example
15:12There is an episode
15:13Quite singular
15:14In his life
15:15Which by the way
15:16It's really about
15:16A private investigator
15:17That we have met
15:19And this detective
15:20It had been
15:21Hired
15:22A few years ago
15:23From ex-husband
15:24Let's say
15:24Of his companion
15:25Just to investigate
15:26On their relationship
15:27So one
15:28He had to do it
15:29A matrimonial investigation
15:30In short
15:30Of those that
15:30The investigators
15:31They call it matrimonial
15:33And he told us
15:34That they were going
15:35With a camper
15:35Near the villa
15:37Where
15:39Duilio
15:39And his companion
15:40They lived
15:41He filmed them
15:42And for example
15:42They saw them
15:43They photographed them
15:44While he was playing
15:45With these little trains
15:46In the garden
15:47And yet
15:48He told us
15:49That aside
15:49These stakeouts
15:50What did they do?
15:51And some more
15:51Investigation
15:52What they managed to do
15:52He failed
15:53Almost to discover
15:54Nothing
15:55Of his past
15:56Meaning what
15:56Especially from the point
15:57From a work perspective
15:59Duilio had
16:00A hole
16:01Almost twenty years old
16:02He didn't find it
16:02Nobody
16:03That he spoke to him
16:03Of these twenty years
16:04What is he talking about?
16:05Had he actually done so
16:06So
16:06It was drawn
16:07The confirmation
16:08Of all this
16:09It got there
16:09Even from the investigators
16:10Same
16:11What a great thing
16:11They failed
16:12Through their
16:13Investigations
16:13To shed full light
16:15Precisely on these
16:16Twenty years
16:16On this
16:17Great period
16:18And what
16:19He had done
16:20It really seems like it
16:21Out of a novel
16:22Mr. Duilio
16:23It looks like one
16:24Of those characters
16:24Mysterious
16:25Of the Maltese Falcon
16:26By Dashiell Emmett
16:28Those little notes
16:29For example
16:30Mr. Duilio
16:31Indeed
16:31He didn't have an agenda
16:32But a series
16:33Of little white sheets of paper
16:34United with each other
16:36On which he took notes
16:37Manically
16:38All that
16:38What should he have done?
16:39Day by day
16:41Hour by hour
16:41Minute by minute
16:42Up to ten days before
16:46That day
16:46That morning
16:47February 12th
16:48For example
16:49On his little notes
16:50Mr. Duilio
16:51He had written
16:52Going out with blue
16:53And his dog's name
16:55Buy the messenger
16:56Going back home
16:57Cuddle blue
16:59Validate the ticket
17:00Get on the train
17:01Arrives in Torvaianica
17:02All recorded
17:04All marked
17:05Including thoughts
17:07The sensations
17:08Dreams
17:08A strange guy
17:09Mr. Duilio
17:13And then the models
17:15Of the trains
17:15That passion
17:17Maniacal
17:17Who carried it
17:18To attend
17:19All stores
17:19Of modeling
17:20Of the city
17:23He bought toy trains
17:25Rotai
17:25And exchanges
17:26Landscape elements
17:27With passion
17:27Of a little boy
17:30With these
17:31He made models
17:33So perfect
17:34And so big
17:34To be occupied
17:35An apartment
17:36Specially rented
17:37Because of this
17:39Until that shot
17:41That Sunday morning
17:42At platform 10
17:43No clue
17:45No trace
17:46No witnesses
17:47To the Deputy Prosecutor
17:49Doctor Giuseppe Saieva
17:51Who coordinates the investigations
17:52It presents itself
17:53A task
17:53Very difficult
17:54What are the slopes?
17:56Main
17:57What you investigated
17:58For the murder
17:59By Giulio Ciritelli
18:00We investigated
18:02In the family context
18:04In the field
18:06I would say
18:06Staff
18:08Or
18:09If there was
18:10Some
18:11Motive
18:14That it concerned
18:16Somehow
18:16Love life
18:17The track
18:19Of jealousy
18:21That
18:22And then
18:24That
18:24Some reasons
18:26Business
18:26And I would say
18:28That
18:28All people
18:30That Civitelli
18:32He knew
18:32They had
18:33A good reason
18:34For his
18:35Character
18:37For his
18:37Way of doing
18:38It came out of it
18:39A person
18:41I would say
18:42Quite hated
18:45Private life
18:46Of the Mr.
18:46Duilio
18:47Mr.
18:48Duilio
18:48He had a bad
18:49Character
18:50His relationship
18:51It was in the light
18:52Of the sun
18:53The wife
18:53He was perfectly aware of it.
18:54Aware
18:55And with the children too
18:56He didn't have
18:56No problem
18:57But
18:58He had a bad
18:59Character
19:00And every now and then
19:01He was arguing with someone
19:02Even violently
19:05That there is something
19:06In life
19:07Of the Mr.
19:07Duilio
19:09The police
19:10Examine
19:11One of those little notes
19:12What were they used for?
19:13On the agenda
19:13To Mr. Duilio
19:14A long sheet of paper
19:15Covered in names
19:16Addresses
19:17And phone numbers
19:18The police
19:19It puts under control
19:20All for at least
19:20Six months
19:21Including
19:22The girl
19:23Who he was with
19:23Mr. Duilio
19:24And the ex-husband
19:25Of this
19:25But nothing emerges
19:27The police
19:28Sign also
19:29The funeral
19:29By Mr. Duilio
19:30In search
19:31Of some traces
19:33On some
19:34Of the people controlled
19:35It also does
19:36The exam
19:36Of the stub
19:37That exam
19:38Which serves to reveal
19:39Traces of dust
19:40From the shotgun
19:41On the hands
19:41But also from here
19:42Nothing emerges
19:43What did you discover?
19:45Instead of life
19:46Working
19:46Of Civitelli
19:47The Civitelli
19:48He didn't work
19:49At least
19:50He didn't work
19:51For several years
19:53AND
19:54It came from it
19:56Out
19:56A sort of
19:58From
19:58A man
20:00Without a past
20:03We failed
20:04To understand
20:05If not
20:07In broad terms
20:09What he
20:10Had he done
20:10In the past
20:13Him
20:14At least
20:15Ten years
20:16Before
20:16Or maybe
20:18Moreover
20:18He had worked
20:19In quality
20:21Of representative
20:24Of household appliances
20:26Then
20:27He had accumulated
20:28A discreet one
20:30Fortune
20:30What had he
20:32Allowed
20:33To buy
20:34Some properties
20:35And of
20:36Set aside
20:37A discreet one
20:39Gruzolo
20:40Here you are
20:41You succeeded
20:41To establish
20:42How
20:42He had accumulated
20:43This
20:44Small estate
20:45Here you are
20:46This was
20:47The point
20:48Crucial
20:49Nobody
20:50You know
20:51Nobody
20:52Anyway
20:52He wanted
20:53Say
20:53And so
20:55It remained
20:56Dark
20:56The way
20:57In which
20:57Him
20:58I have accumulated
20:58All this
20:59Fortune
21:00A discreet one
21:01Fortune
21:01One billion
21:03And 800 million
21:04In cash
21:04Real estate
21:05Bot
21:05And deposits
21:06Shareholders
21:06But for the children
21:08Of the Mr.
21:08Duilio
21:09There is no
21:09No mystery
21:10In this
21:11Mr.
21:12Duilio
21:12The children say
21:13He had started
21:14To work
21:15At 18 years old
21:15As a representative
21:16For a company
21:17German
21:18Of household appliances
21:19Then he had put himself
21:20On your own
21:20And then he was gone
21:21Retired
21:22He had a great
21:23Business acumen
21:24He had made it profitable
21:25The liquidation
21:26He had invested
21:27In real estate
21:28And then he had played
21:29On the stock exchange
21:29And also
21:30He was a man
21:31That the money
21:31He kept them
21:32Giving very few
21:34Both to the wife
21:34That to the girl
21:35Who he was with
21:35It was like this
21:36Who had become rich
21:38All the stories
21:40On the origin
21:41Mysterious
21:42Some money
21:42Of the Mr.
21:43Duilio
21:43The children say
21:44I'm just
21:45Journalistic inventions
21:46Like an invention
21:48And the story too
21:49About insurance
21:49About life
21:50Of 8 billion
21:51That at some point
21:52It comes out on some articles
21:53From the newspaper
21:54And that in fact
21:55It never existed
21:57But
21:57The one about money
21:59It's a track
21:59That the investigators
22:00They don't abandon
22:01So easily
22:02There's something else too
22:03Strange
22:05After the first investigations
22:06About his life
22:07What tracks?
22:08Were they left standing?
22:11But the track
22:12Which was most followed
22:14It was that one
22:15So-called usury
22:16Why
22:18It was discovered
22:20That the wise Civitelli
22:22In the past
22:22He had granted
22:24Of loans
22:26At rates
22:27Which by the way
22:28They hadn't met then
22:29Revealed as loan sharks
22:30And that anyway
22:32It was about
22:32Of relationships
22:33All sold out
22:35And the investigation
22:37It allowed
22:38Precisely
22:39To probe
22:40At the bottom
22:41All these relationships
22:43Within the limits
22:44In which
22:44True
22:46A survival
22:47Documentary
22:49But beyond
22:51It was not possible
22:52TO
22:53To check
22:54Something useful
22:56Mr. Duiglio
22:58He had already had
22:59Legal troubles
23:00In relation
23:01On loan
23:01Of money
23:02But in one case
23:03He had been acquitted
23:04And in the other
23:05There wasn't much more
23:07He lent money
23:08But only occasionally
23:09And at rates
23:10Much lower
23:10Of those
23:11Of the loan sharks
23:11And at the moment
23:12Where he was killed
23:13To the police
23:14It does not appear
23:15That he had particular clients
23:17This track too
23:18So
23:19It seems to fade away
23:20But
23:21Maybe there is something
23:22In relation
23:23To the craft
23:24Most recent
23:24By Mr. Duiglio
23:25That in the end
23:27All in all
23:27He was a private investigator
23:29Mr. Duiglio
23:30He owned three pistols
23:32Of which one 6.35
23:33And a 38
23:34And many times
23:35He was walking around armed
23:36You at the time
23:37Of the murder
23:38You had an agency
23:39Investigative
23:40At the terminal
23:41Of the station
23:42Ostiense
23:43In the City Point
23:43How it was born
23:45This agency
23:47His dad
23:48He had helped you
23:49To put it on
23:51Yes
23:52Dad helped us
23:54Mainly
23:54Spiritually
23:55In the sense that
23:56His role
23:57That was it
23:57As we were saying
23:58Of attack
23:59Stickers
24:01We had it done
24:02Some stickers
24:03To advertise
24:04Of the agency
24:04Investigative
24:05And he
24:05Everywhere he went
24:06He was attacking
24:06One of these things
24:07There are still some
24:08Some
24:09Some points of Rome
24:10That he frequented
24:11Type note
24:11The Prati district
24:12Near that shop
24:13What was I saying?
24:14Which remained there
24:14So his role
24:16That was it
24:16To advertise yourself
24:19Advertise us
24:20As much as possible
24:21Saying
24:22I have children
24:23What do they do?
24:23The investigators
24:24And some
24:27Rare time
24:28Once
24:29We took
24:30The assignment
24:32Own
24:32From the
24:33City point
24:34I don't remember
24:35From whom in particular
24:35There had been
24:36Detentions
24:37Inside the parking lot
24:38Not to keep watch
24:40But to check
24:41Who was he?
24:42Which was later discovered
24:43Which instead
24:43They were barboli
24:44Slavic gods
24:45If I'm not mistaken
24:46And we should do
24:47Of the nights
24:48Those nights
24:49He came with us
24:50So his role
24:51That was it
24:51To stay close to the children
24:52But maybe more
24:53Because he was too caring
24:55He said
24:56If you do the night
24:56He from midnight
24:57At five
24:57He was with us
24:58We, the armorers
24:59But he too
24:59He said
25:00You never know
25:00In the end
25:02I am the game
25:03With the candle seems
25:04It wasn't
25:05Filippo Marlovi
25:05Mr. Duilio
25:06Even if every now and then
25:08He had some strange
25:09Daydreaming
25:10From a novel
25:10To boast
25:11With friends
25:12And with the girls
25:13He said he had
25:14What to do
25:14With the secret services
25:16He said
25:16Of having participated
25:17On a strange mission
25:18In Africa
25:19And to have
25:20A private number
25:21Who put it
25:21Directly in contact
25:23With a secret office
25:24Of the services
25:24But it wasn't true
25:26It wasn't
25:27Filippo Marlovi
25:28Mr. Duilio
25:28He was a gentleman
25:29Middle aged
25:30With passion
25:31For the money
25:32The women
25:32And the little trains
25:33Which he was writing down
25:34Manically
25:35On loose sheets
25:35Even the cuddles
25:36To do to the dog
25:44Who killed him?
25:46Let's go back to that February 12th
25:474 years ago
25:48And we go back to that station
25:50The Ostiense station
25:51It all starts from there
25:57This is the Ostiense station
25:59Charles
25:59And it's a fundamental place
26:01In this case
26:02Not only because
26:03It is the place where it was consumed
26:04The murder
26:05But why all life
26:06By Mr. Duilio
26:07He was spinning
26:08He gravitated
26:08Around Ostiense station
26:10Yes, we talked
26:11With different people
26:12With the railway workers
26:13With the people
26:13Of the railways
26:15And different
26:16They remembered it
26:18Less than face
26:19In short
26:19He was someone who hung around
26:20The station
26:21Even just for the taste
26:22To come and see the trains
26:24For his passion
26:24To talk to the train drivers
26:26Maybe on the models
26:27Of the train compartments
26:28Of which he was
26:28Particularly passionate
26:30And then of course
26:31Why did he live
26:33The wife lived
26:34Right here
26:35In Pellegrino Matteucci Street
26:37This is what we are seeing now
26:38And they actually had windows.
26:39On Tracks
26:41That is, on the back of the railway
26:42So everything was spinning
26:43Around Four
26:44What's happening
26:45Here on Sunday?
26:46So
26:47On Sunday it is
26:47Very quiet
26:49I had to say
26:50There are few people
26:52Few trains
26:53Even if they arrive
26:54And they leave
26:55And few people
26:56On the dock
26:56To wait
26:57Few trains
26:57That leave
26:58And they arrive
26:59We came here
27:00Just on Sunday
27:01Between 4:30 and 5:00
27:02And it's half past five
27:03And at that time
27:05The activity itself
27:05It is reduced
27:06To the utmost
27:07The staff too
27:08The railways
27:08There is little of it
27:09Few people
27:10So even less
27:10Surveillance shifts
27:11From the Polterna
27:13Yes
27:13Indeed
27:13We didn't see any policemen
27:15That Sunday
27:15Around the station
27:18In short
27:18So
27:18Here was the place
27:20Where he came from
27:21To watch the trains
27:22To find his friends
27:23It was the place nearby
27:24At his home
27:25Where he lived
27:25And it's the place
27:26Even where they killed him
27:27Exactly here
27:28At platform 10
27:30Our son
27:31Our son
27:31Thudium
27:31It always seems to be a matter of account
27:32A character from novels
27:33Always one of those characters
27:35An art boiler
27:35A detective novel
27:37The action is written
27:37By Raymond Cender
27:38There is also the same neighborhood
27:40The same barium
27:40Where everything happens
27:42Life
27:42This person's passions
27:44And his death too
27:45Yes
27:45Indeed
27:46Own
27:46From this escalator
27:47You arrive at a place
27:48Important
27:49For our history
27:50We'll take you to see
27:54Very ready
28:01Charles
28:02This is the city point
28:03There is a building
28:04As you can see
28:05A little futuristic
28:06That had been done
28:07For the World Cup
28:08Of Italy 90
28:09That in the intentions
28:10It had to be
28:11A shopping center
28:12Of great passage
28:13Because it was the terminal
28:14From Fiumicino
28:15From which
28:17Directly connected
28:18At the Ostiese station
28:19The passengers
28:20They would have reached
28:21All of Rome
28:21Then now you see it
28:22As
28:23Full of graffiti
28:25Very sad
28:26But in your time
28:27There were
28:28A lot of latest dants
28:29There were
28:30A lot of latest dants
28:30A lot of latest dants
28:31A lot of latest dants
28:31A lot of latest dants
28:31A lot of latest dants
28:31A lot of latest dants
28:35A lot of latest dants
28:36Then there was something else
28:37What are we going to show you?
28:38A lot of latest dants
28:42And above all
28:44Here it is
28:46The Terminal Detective Agency
28:48Where to work
28:49Mr.
28:55Track 10
28:56Local train to Formia
28:575.25pm
28:59Change at Campoleone
29:00And then off to Pomezia
29:01Which is near Torvajanica
29:03Where is the villa located?
29:04Where the woman lives
29:05By Mr. Duilio
29:06And so
29:07Every Sunday
29:09But be careful!
29:10Because this proves one thing
29:11The killer
29:13He knew very well
29:14Mr. Duilio's habits
29:15He knew them
29:17Or
29:17He had studied them specifically
29:19And he had chosen
29:20That very station
29:21To hit
29:23It hadn't been a bad choice.
29:25We saw it
29:25The station
29:27At that time of evening
29:28Of a day of celebration
29:28It's almost deserted
29:29And there are fewer shifts
29:30Surveillance
29:31The place for Formia
29:33The following Sunday
29:34It will start in vain
29:35As the police will prove
29:38But be careful!
29:39To Mr. Duilio
29:40They shot with a revolver
29:42Astra Cadix
29:4338 Special Caliber
29:45The 38 Special
29:46It's a large caliber
29:48And it makes a deafening roar
29:49And there
29:50Even if semi-deserted
29:51We are at a station in the city
29:53Why
29:54Nobody heard anything
29:56At that time
29:57Let's go to Bologna
29:58To the scientific police
29:59To ask for explanations
30:01To Commissioner Silio Bozzi
30:03At that time
30:04Mr. Duilio
30:04He was killed
30:05With a gunshot
30:06That they shot him
30:07At the head
30:07And they shot at the station
30:09So they definitely did
30:11A big noise
30:12And he didn't hear anything
30:13Nobody
30:14How is this possible?
30:15But that's the thing
30:15Which really seems incredible to me
30:17First of all, let me introduce you
30:18Superintendent Pistono
30:19HI
30:19Hi Stefano
30:21I repeat to you
30:22A truly incredible thing
30:23Why
30:24A shot had to be
30:26Listened to
30:27From those who passed by
30:29From the neighbors
30:30From the railway workers
30:32In fact when you told me
30:34The episode
30:35The first thing
30:35Which I thought
30:36It was this
30:37That is, the murderer
30:38If he could have used
30:39Such a weapon
30:40So a semi-automatic
30:42Silenced
30:43Effectively
30:44With a mouth silencer
30:45This one in particular
30:47Well built
30:48So a gun
30:49With silencer
30:50Exact
30:51In order to get
30:52This double advantage
30:54Tactical advantage
30:55Of a psychological nature
30:56Not only tactical
30:58To keep from being heard
30:59To put it bluntly
31:01The noise
31:02To the people who were
31:02Nearby
31:03But also to prevent
31:04Right to passers-by
31:06Of the railway workers
31:08In short, to those
31:08That were passing through
31:09On the track
31:11To realize
31:12Of the point
31:13From which it had been
31:14The shot was fired
31:15Then the advantage
31:16Of a psychological nature
31:18In short
31:19Less noise
31:20So more coldness
31:21Greater possibility
31:22To focus
31:23The target
31:24And to hit
31:25The expert said
31:26Which probably
31:27The murder weapon
31:28It's a .38 special caliber
31:31And probably
31:32A revolver
31:32Astra model
31:33Yes
31:34Cadix model
31:35I remember
31:37In short
31:37Here you are
31:38This is not the
31:40Astra Cadix
31:41But it's a weapon
31:42Very similar
31:43Also known
31:44This particular
31:45Here you are
31:45The notch
31:47Adjustable
31:48Micrometric
31:48Adjustable
31:49Raised
31:50This is a particular
31:50Which then
31:52It will come in handy
31:53In the course
31:53Of ours
31:54Small discussion
31:55Here you are
31:56This changed a little bit
31:58All the cards on the table
31:59Why a 38 special?
32:00A gun like this
32:02So a revolver
32:03Like this
32:03Hardly
32:04Can be silenced
32:05Effectively
32:06Like a semi-automatic
32:07Certain
32:08So it cannot be applied
32:09The silencer
32:09As in the gun
32:10What did you show me before?
32:11Just say no
32:12It was only done
32:13For Nagant
32:14Which is a gun
32:15For what reason?
32:16It can't be silenced
32:17This type of gun
32:19It can't be silenced
32:20Effectively
32:21Here you are
32:21Let's say effectively
32:22With silencer
32:24By mouth
32:25Like that
32:25What we saw before
32:26Because of this
32:27Because at the moment
32:27Of the shot
32:28Here you are
32:29They are released
32:30Here you are
32:31The gases
32:32On this side
32:33This is called
32:34Pairing
32:34Drum
32:35Cane
32:36So it's impossible
32:37What if you put
32:38The silencer
32:38On this side
32:39Even more so
32:40Increase the pressure
32:41And they are released
32:41Even more
32:42The gases
32:42On this side
32:43So how to do it?
32:44To block this
32:45While in the semi-automatic
32:47The gases remain
32:49Imprisoned
32:50In the room
32:51Let's call her
32:52In the room
32:52Formed
32:53So closed
32:53From the breech
32:54Shutter
32:55It can't be heard
32:56So how could he have done it?
32:57The killer
32:58To shoot without
32:58Make yourself heard
33:00Now look
33:01Just to try
33:02To understand
33:03What can be
33:03Happened
33:04We use
33:05This ballistic tunnel
33:06We usually shoot
33:07Here it is
33:08In this opening
33:09Then we recover
33:10The bullets
33:11To carry out
33:11Ballistic tests
33:13So I would say
33:14It would be interesting
33:14This
33:15Meaning what
33:15Shoot
33:16The first shot
33:17With the 38 special
33:21Similar to that one
33:22Used
33:22To the murderer
33:23So not silenced
33:24To see
33:25The roar
33:26Issued by a 38 special
33:28I would fire the second shot
33:30With this semi-automatic
33:31Then silenced
33:32In a manner
33:32Very effective
33:33As we have seen
33:34The one with the silencer
33:35And then as a third
33:36Last shot
33:38I would always shoot
33:39With the 38 special
33:40First of all
33:41But using
33:42So a
33:43A rudimentary way
33:45To try to cushion
33:47The sound
33:48The roar
33:48To do this experiment
33:50We will come true
33:51Of the presence
33:52By Dr. Marroni
33:53And Dr. Gerardi
33:54Here you are
33:55I'm from ARPA
33:56Regional Agency
33:57Environmental protection
33:59Here you are
34:00They are very good
34:02To maneuver
34:02This kind of recorder
34:04Of sound
34:05What is the sound level meter?
34:06Here you are
34:07The sound level meter is capable
34:08Recording the sound
34:09To do it
34:10To give an account
34:11Of the differences
34:12So between the roar
34:13And near in decibels
34:15Obviously
34:16Produced by 38 special
34:18Then from other guns
34:19More or less silenced
34:20What Carlo
34:20Let's go and see
34:21Come on
34:23Here you are
34:24Take this headphone
34:26I'll take mine
34:27We work
34:28In maximum safety
34:29Naturally
34:39Thank you
34:50Here you are
34:51Let's see a little bit
34:52Expressed in decibels
34:53Here you are
34:55We found
34:55A maximum level
34:57Of 128 decibels
34:59Practically
34:59This
35:00107.9
35:02Simply
35:02Why it was mounted
35:03A sound attenuator
35:04Why the noise
35:05It was too strong
35:06To be
35:08Entered directly
35:09It must be added
35:1020
35:10It must be added
35:1120 decibel
35:12So a maximum level
35:12Of 128 decibels
35:14What does it correspond to?
35:15A level like this?
35:17Let's say that as intensity
35:18Corresponds
35:19To an airplane
35:20That takes off
35:21Let's try now
35:22With the other weapon
35:23That one is effectively silenced
35:24So we said
35:40Here you are
35:40We see
35:42Right away
35:43How many decibels?
35:44He produced
35:44This shot
35:45Here you are
35:46We found
35:47A maximum level
35:48Of 106 decibels
35:49What respect
35:50At the previous value
35:52It's a lot less
35:5422 decibels difference
35:55Certain
35:56So a notable passage
35:57Yes
35:57In terms of acoustic sensation
36:00It can be compared
36:01To the difference that there is
36:04When a person
36:05It's near a track
36:07When the train passes
36:08And when instead
36:09There is no train passing
36:12Certain
36:12So
36:12An effective silencer
36:14Eh
36:14You'll get the idea
36:15Yes
36:16Let's shoot now
36:17The third shot
36:18Trying to understand
36:19The trick
36:21What could he have taken?
36:22The killer of the
36:23By Mr. Duilio
36:24Here you are
36:25I think he
36:26He did something like that
36:2838 species
36:29The one we shot with
36:30The shot
36:31First of all
36:33Here you are
36:34It may have
36:34Having wrapped
36:36So the gun
36:36With a wet cloth
36:37Wet because
36:38For
36:40Exploit
36:40Heat exchange
36:42A cooling down
36:43Of the gases
36:43Evaporation of the liquid
36:45And consequential
36:46Noise reduction
36:46Here you are
36:47In this way
36:47Leaving the way open
36:49For the dog run
36:49Which can fall down
36:50So on the capsule
36:53In this way
36:54And then he may have covered
36:55The whole thing
36:55With a coat
36:56A jacket
36:57Nothing more
36:58Normal
36:59Of a gentleman
36:59That is wandering around
37:00With a coat
37:01A jacket
37:02On the arm
37:03In this way
37:06Here you are
37:09Let's see right away
37:10If there was
37:11And what was it?
37:11Noise reduction
37:13Of this shot
37:14We recorded
37:15A level
37:16Around 112 decibels
37:17So it fits in
37:19In the middle
37:19Between the case
37:20Of greater noise
37:22And the case is silenced
37:23Certain
37:24Therefore a reduction
37:25All in all
37:26Effective
37:27Considered
37:28What does it correspond to?
37:29Let's say
37:30A grinder
37:31A construction site
37:32Always to be compared
37:34To the feeling
37:35Of the jet
37:35That takes off
37:36Of the first case
37:37Which was the loudest
37:38Certain
37:38So much less
37:39Yes
37:40Charles
37:40I think that
37:41Things have gone
37:42In this way
37:43In a weapon
37:44Like this one
37:45Silenced
37:46In a more than artisanal way
37:47Of rudimentary
37:48But evidently
37:49Very effective
37:50Certain
37:51The choice of location
37:52The station on that day
37:54And at that time
37:55The choice of weapon
37:56An uncommon revolver
37:58But very powerful
37:59With that bullet
38:00Of soft lead
38:01That when it hits
38:02It opens
38:03Proving even more deadly
38:04And then
38:06The choice of techniques
38:07To silence the shot
38:09Who killed
38:10Mr. Duiglio
38:11He's a guy who knows what he's talking about.
38:12A professional
38:14A killer
38:15It's a hypothesis
38:17Taking into consideration
38:18Even from the police
38:19And from the substitute
38:20Prosecutor Saieva
38:21Even though we are not
38:22In a novel
38:23Among the gangsters of Los Angeles
38:25But in Rome
38:34This city is strange
38:36Strange and beautiful
38:37It's a city
38:38Which has always existed
38:39Like the cities of novels
38:41Like the metropolises of crime
38:42Like London
38:43New York
38:44Los Angeles
38:44That are so present
38:46In the imagination
38:47To seem like they exist
38:48Forever and ever
38:56But those are fantasy cities
38:58Invisible Cities
38:59While this has always existed
39:01For real
39:18To do it like this
39:19It's not just history
39:20With a capital S
39:21But also all the stories
39:23The little stories
39:24Which have always happened to us
39:25Which are born here
39:26They live and die
39:29The stories
39:30What the writers say
39:32For example
39:32Or even those
39:34That will never be told
39:39This city is strange
39:40Strange and beautiful
39:42It's like the cities in detective novels
39:44A city that hides a dark destination
39:47The one where crimes like this happen
39:49But he doesn't show it
39:54This is not Batman's Gotham City
39:56With its ghostly Gothic buildings
39:58This Is Not Ed McBain's Island
40:00With its slums
40:01Which look like battlefields
40:03This is Rome
40:04A city that has always existed
40:05And like all big cities
40:07Just look at it from a different angle
40:09Which also seems different from itself
40:18Track 10
40:195.03pm
40:24Mr. Duilio
40:25He's waiting for the place for Fornia
40:29He doesn't know he's being watched by someone
40:34Someone who knows that this is the best time to strike
40:40Who is this man?
40:41Maybe Mr. Duilio did someone a wrong.
40:45Maybe it's an old women's issue
40:47One of those grudges that never dies
40:49Which grow with a sharp response
40:51One of those answers that make you hate
40:53Enough to pay someone to right that wrong
41:02Someone who follows Mr. Duilio
41:04From the moment he enters the station through the main entrance
41:18Maybe it's not a women issue
41:20It's a question of money
41:21Maybe Mr. Duilio lent some money to someone
41:25He is not a loan shark
41:26He is a person with capital
41:28Which lends at acceptable rates
41:31Maybe it's not even a recent loan
41:34It's an old question
41:35Mr. Duilio wants his money back
41:37And his debtor has not got them
41:39And he can't afford for this to come to light.
41:42Then there is only one solution left
41:44Kill him
41:44But not in person
41:46The skills are lacking
41:47And courage is lacking
41:48It's not easy to kill a person
41:50Not even with a gun
41:53It takes someone who knows how to do it
41:57Someone hiding on the platform
41:59Out of sight
42:00And without being noticed
42:01You wait for the right moment
42:0316.59
42:0417
42:0517.01
42:10It's not easy
42:11In American novels
42:13Professional killers are almost always found in the yellow pages
42:16But not in Italy
42:17In Italy this is a figure that almost doesn't exist
42:19Usually
42:20Who accepts this type of assignment
42:22He's a fool who's willing to do anything.
42:24And sooner or later
42:25As the news often shows
42:26He ends up betraying himself
42:28And to get caught
42:29But not this
42:30This is a professional
42:32At that time
42:33Organized crime
42:35Perhaps
42:36Mr. Duilio
42:38He saw or heard something he shouldn't have
42:40With his job as an investigator for example
42:42Even if small
42:43Or maybe there
42:44At the station
42:45His prying around everywhere
42:47Look everywhere
42:48Maybe Mr. Duilio
42:51He was an unwitting witness
42:52Of a traffic linked to organized crime
42:55Involuntary
42:56And unaware
42:57Because it is found alone
42:58There waiting for the train
43:00Unarmed
43:01It's easy prey
43:02For a person who has in his pocket
43:04A .38 caliber Astra
43:06Wrapped in a wet cloth
43:07Just take it out
43:09Hide it under a coat
43:10Which was more than normal in that season.
43:12And get closer to Mr. Duilio
43:14Like a normal passenger
43:16Let's hope
43:17Mr. Duilio
43:18He also noticed that person
43:20Maybe he greeted her absentmindedly
43:22And then
43:22He returned to his train
43:24At that time
43:25Just stretch out your arm
43:26Point the gun to your head
43:28And shoot
43:34But here
43:35We are in a novel
43:37We're back to the movie
43:38We are on Carlitos Way
43:39By Brian De Palma
43:40The case of Mr. Duilio instead
43:42It's news
43:45Mr. Civitelli
43:46She works as a professional today
43:47Of private investigator
43:49Have you ever felt like it?
43:50To investigate
43:50About his father's death?
43:52But more than as a detective
43:54As a son
43:55Obviously the desire
43:57To know
43:57It's a lot
43:58At the stimulus
44:01It is due to the fact that
44:02Maybe this profession
44:04It brings us closer
44:05To stay every day
44:06To give them
44:07And the arch brain
44:08Is
44:09It's on suggestion
44:10From our lawyer
44:11Is
44:12By invitation
44:13Of the police
44:13We let them work
44:14Always with hope
44:16To receive in the morning
44:16After the phone call
44:17We got it
44:18Which unfortunately
44:19To this day
44:20It didn't happen
44:21Here's something
44:22What's bothering you about this?
44:25There is this void
44:26Unbridgeable
44:29Created
44:30Since Dad's death
44:31As I said at the beginning
44:32Who died twice
44:33He died because he died
44:34As unfortunately
44:35Nature wants
44:37And he died the second time
44:38The next day
44:38When we learned
44:39Who had been killed
44:40So this
44:41Not knowing
44:43The why
44:44Not knowing who
44:47Something that comes up often
44:49Out at night
44:50He comes
44:50Every time
44:51I'm going home
44:52From my mother
44:53That from the balcony
44:55You can see it
44:55The damned
44:56Track 10
44:58This one comes back
44:59That is, it comes back out
45:00Come back strong
45:01It is always present
45:02But in some moments
45:03Right in the foreground
45:05This desire to know
45:07Indeed
45:07It is for this reason
45:09Mainly
45:10That I released to you
45:11This interview
45:13Precisely because
45:13I hope someone
45:15Maybe seeing
45:15This service
45:16Years later
45:17Now that
45:18The fear may have passed
45:20Even in those who have seen
45:21In who knows something
45:21Please contact
45:23How should it do?
45:24Every good person
45:26To the police
45:27If you don't turn to
45:28To the police
45:28Call us
45:29You can find us easily
45:31Call the RAI votes
45:32Which is perhaps even more
45:32An anonymous thing
45:34In a way and in a manner
45:35What could be the case?
45:37That after years
45:38Something is discovered
45:40The desire to know
45:42The one that is always there
45:43In solved cases
45:44Like this
45:45Know who did it
45:46Who killed
45:47Mr. Duilio
45:48Almost a character
45:49From a novel
45:49With his manias
45:50Its mysteries
45:51And his obsessions
45:53With his passions
45:54Like the one for women
45:56For the money
45:56For notes
45:57Taken maniacally
45:58And for the trains
46:47Thank you all.
47:14Thank you all.
47:39Thank you all.
48:02Thank you all.
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