00:00Segment is brought to you by the Frankels. If you've been injured in a car or truck wreck, call the
00:04Frankels first, 214 or 817-333-3333.
00:08There is never an out-of-pocket comp. They only get paid when you win.
00:10The Frankels are the go-to car and truck wreck attorneys in Dallas as we are live in spring training.
00:16The report last night, Caleb Downs, maybe a partially torn meniscus in one of his knees and a degenerative ACL.
00:24So the question everybody is asking is, could Caleb Downs fall to this team?
00:30That team, I just saw a story with the Rams, and they're right behind you.
00:33They're asking that out in Los Angeles.
00:37And, you know, if he did fall, would you still want to take him?
00:40I think this is a spot where you've got to trust what your doctors are telling you.
00:43Yeah, I would. I'd take him.
00:44I mean, to me, listen, I think the Cowboys are going to be very comfortable with this one.
00:51I'm sure that, you know, Dr. Cooper, who's one of the best, you know, surgeons in the country,
00:57this very much reminds me of situations that I know I've been in before,
01:02whether it was Larry Allen or Jeremiah Trotter.
01:06You know, you've just got to trust your doctors, but you've also got to know that, you know,
01:11if you're in a situation where those guys are available, man, you've got to do your due diligence on all
01:17of it.
01:18You do.
01:18You've got to bring him in, and you've got to do the physical on him again, and you've got to
01:22go through.
01:23And, you know, listen, he hadn't missed any time with this thing.
01:26No.
01:27It's not like it's, you know, and I talked about Jeremiah Trotter,
01:31and I give Jeff Lurie some credit for this one, the owner from the Eagles.
01:35You know, the doctors at the time go, hey, I can't tell you, Brian, if he's going to play 10
01:38games or 10 years.
01:39And Mr. Lurie said, if we like this guy that much, let's draft him.
01:43What are we doing here?
01:44There's been a lot of degenerative knee guys that have had successful careers, including our very own Ron Leary.
01:50Ron Leary was one of, yeah.
01:51And I'll say this, though.
01:53Listen, I have a feeling that the Cowboys are going to be very comfortable with this particular player if he's
02:00available.
02:01I don't see that being an issue now.
02:04Like I said, you were talking to some teams that I believe that the team, I believe, maybe flagged this.
02:11You're trying to get some clarification with maybe the Bears and picked this one up.
02:17But I've talked to two teams already that are like, no, we don't have it that way.
02:23So, you know, you feel like we were talking about earlier, are you getting ball sacked or you're getting, you
02:28know,
02:29or is this really something, you know, if I get two or three other teams that say, no, there's not
02:34a problem,
02:35then I'm, you know, these doctors and trainers all look at these players completely different.
02:41Sure, yeah.
02:42Completely different.
02:43I mean, and I said the story about Larry Allen, you know, when we were sitting there
02:47and our doctor in Green Bay failed him on a physical rotator cuff problem.
02:52Yeah, he's going to have to have, sorry, can't do this, can't do that.
02:54But, and then every year we played Dallas in the playoffs, Ron Wolfe would walk down to the doctor and
03:00go,
03:01hey, see the 73, he's going to kick our ass today.
03:04Yeah, rotator cuff's looking pretty good.
03:06Yeah.
03:06So, you just got to trust the doctors.
03:10I remember, you guys remember a guy, Dawson, you might remember, Sean Rogers.
03:14Yeah.
03:14Defensive tackle for the Lions.
03:16Yeah.
03:16Okay.
03:17We're sitting there in the draft, and this goes way back again.
03:21Sean Rogers, University of Texas.
03:22Texas, second round, he's got a toe problem, right?
03:25Bunyan?
03:26No, it's got some kind of metal in it or something.
03:29The bunyan's more of a back thing, I think, where the toe kind of gets jetted out.
03:34I have that problem all the time.
03:36Yeah, where the big toe, the bone goes out.
03:38But, yeah, this was something that he had problems with then.
03:41And I'll never forget, like, Jim Maurer, the trainer, and Jim's one of the best ones still with the Cowboys.
03:47Jim's like, tell him, well, we can't draft him because of this.
03:50Can't draft him, can't draft him, can't.
03:51And we get on the clock, and Jerry looks at Jim and goes, tell me one more time why I
03:56can't take this guy.
03:57Please.
03:58Metal in his toe?
03:59Yeah.
03:59He had, like, hardware and stuff.
04:01He had an operation and all that.
04:03And Jerry looked at him and goes, Jim, tell me one more time why I can't draft this guy.
04:08And he went on and had a nice career.
04:10Yeah.
04:10You know?
04:11So you just don't know how it's all going to play.
04:14On the other side of that, you do have Leighton Van Der Esch's neck, who some teams didn't want to
04:19take.
04:19That's true.
04:20And the Cowboys are like, well, we have no problem with it.
04:22I think the concern is based on what I'm reading.
04:25Smith, the linebacker, too.
04:27Oh, Jalen Smith.
04:28That was an all-time mistake.
04:30And then they compounded it by giving him a contract, a second contract.
04:35So congratulations to Jalen Smith for pulling that together and kind of dragging one leg into being a serviceable linebacker
04:41enough to get paid by the Cowboys.
04:42That was a job well done.
04:44Maybe nobody has ever wanted it more and pulled off the unthinkable.
04:47It's kind of a miracle that he was able to play as well as he did.
04:50With drop foot.
04:51Yeah, yeah, yeah, drop foot.
04:52And he was managing to kind of get the job done out there.
04:55Yeah.
04:56And it wasn't until Dan Quinn, was it Dan Quinn that said, what the hell are we doing here?
04:59Yeah, Dan Quinn.
05:00You know, they finally moved on.
05:01But anyway, my point being, some of the reading that I was doing about these two conditions, right, is that
05:08when I looked up deteriorating ACL, it said one of the side effects of that can be a torn meniscus.
05:16Because you're losing the integrity of the structure and how things cushion each other and support each other.
05:22And if the ACL is deteriorating, it can cause extra stress on the meniscus.
05:27And certainly I'm not a knee doctor.
05:28I can only read about this stuff and tell you what I've read.
05:32But, you know, being the injury paranoia guy that I am, I would think if the meniscus was caused by
05:39the degenerative ACL, I don't think we should be taking them at 12.
05:43Is that crazy?
05:44No, it's not crazy.
05:45If that is all true and real and that's what your doctors are seeing and saying, then no, I don't
05:51think that that's worth taking for the same reason like apparently they're not going to be in on Jermon McCoy.
05:56Like they need a guy that can hit the ground running and have no concern that he's got a problem
06:01that he's bringing with him.
06:03You never know what's going to happen on a play-to-play basis.
06:06But you don't want to have something that's already hindering you when you step on the field for as good
06:11as Caleb Downs is.
06:12But if your doctors are saying now everything's fine, then please let him fall to 12.
06:17And I would imagine the doctors in there have seen everything.
06:20They're so aware.
06:22They have layers and layers of knowledge about how the knee works and these different conditions can, you know, impact
06:28things.
06:28But this might be something where you've got to start going to knee specialists, that your regular guys who you
06:35might have on staff that are looking at things are becoming aware now that, hey, a team is looking at
06:40it like this.
06:41Do we need to drill down further, ask more expertise and get a better understanding of it?
06:45And it might evolve.
06:46But Pat McAfee has talked with a number of teams throughout the day, and he has said that he hasn't
06:54talked to a single team yet that would let this news impact their board or would let his medicals from
06:59the combine impact their board when it comes to Caleb Downs.
07:03So, you know, maybe he will be taken.
07:04And at this point, I would like it to be somebody else's issue if there's anything not perfect structurally with
07:11his knee.
07:12Hopefully, you know, a team in the top 10 or 11 is still looking at him because we're starting to
07:17play this game.
07:17If you did lose McCoy over the weekend and you lose Caleb Downs, it's like defensive players right off the
07:23board.
07:23How good is the player going to be available at 12?
07:26Yeah.
07:26If you told me both those guys are kind of out for medical reasons, I have a lot less confidence
07:31in the 12th overall pick.
07:33And I said earlier in the show, I think maybe it's time to start looking at offensive players.
07:37Jeff Cavanaugh and I did Trusted Tape this morning, and we were talking about this, and he was pretty –
07:44ooh, it came straight back.
07:45He was like – the way all this is kind of the news is cycling right now, he's like, I'll
07:53just trade the 12th pick for Crosby.
07:56You know?
07:57Yeah.
07:57I mean, he didn't even flinch.
07:58Ooh, I like that.
07:59He just said, listen, if you're going to tell me I'm just going to lose two of my better defensive
08:04players, and I'm going to maybe have to draft an offensive player here, why don't I just give up 12
08:12and worry about a defensive player at 20?
08:15Yeah.
08:16If that would get it done right now and win the bidding, I've been saying for a while now I'm
08:20just putting 20 on the board and letting the Raiders know if that's good enough to get them.
08:24But in light of that news, I think that's pretty clever.
08:27Yep.
Comments