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00:00Lie detector today centres on a specific burglary
00:03Yeah, because she's always been a spied little girl
00:06I'm a liar!
00:07I'm a liar!
00:08I'm a liar!
00:09What did you find out of that?
00:10What did you find out of that?
00:11Yeah?
00:13Who are you?
00:13Who else has she got?
00:14Who else has she got?
00:16She's got no one out!
00:17She's got no one out!
00:18Your dad is crying his eyes out
00:21Oh, come here
00:22That's not a word, that's your dad
00:25She will never be my sister
00:28No, you're about right
00:30It's like I'm on that stage
00:31What a bad
00:40Who did this girl?
00:42What did I say to you?
00:43What is she?
00:44Who did it?
00:45Me!
00:58Hello!
01:00Right?
01:01Thank you very much
01:01My darling
01:02Are you all right?
01:03Are you OK?
01:04Thank you very much, Anita
01:05Good morning and as ever a big, big welcome to the show
01:08Now, our first guest today, Susan, is here for lie detector results
01:11She is convinced that family jewellery, worth a lot of money, has been stolen from her house
01:16Check this
01:17By her own stepdaughter
01:19Now, Susan says that stepdaughter Pearl's lies are tearing this family apart
01:22And she says that if she proves the day this girl has taken it
01:25Her and her husband, John, are going to disown this girl for good
01:29It's a big, big day
01:30She's already on stage
01:31Susan, on the Jeremy Kyle Show
01:32You look terrified
01:38You have that look of somebody who believes that they're going to get news that they don't really want to get
01:43Let's talk about the facts, right?
01:45I know you're nervous
01:46You're married to John
01:48Pearl is his daughter, she's 30
01:51You become evil stepmother, I suspect, straight away
01:54You say that from almost the beginning, it was obvious that this girl was jealous of your relationship, why?
02:00Er, because she's always been a spoilt little girl, from day one, her dad's always given her everything
02:07Might it not be that she lost her mother and saw you, and I'm just giving you the other side
02:11As this replacement, who's jumped in, taken her mother's place and taken her father away from her
02:16No, because I have never, ever wanted to take her mum's place
02:21And I told her that from day one
02:24Er, tried to be a mum to her
02:28I'll come to you in a minute
02:30Know what I mean?
02:31You say that you are sick to death, you and her dad, of her lies and her deceit
02:35This lie detector today centres on a specific burglary
02:40You need to listen to this
02:41Tell us exactly, as clearly and as loudly as you can, what happened, what was taken?
02:45I went to my sister's caravan because my sister's very, very poorly
02:51So you're implying, Pearl, be quiet and I'll come to you, you won't get a say, alright?
02:56So she knew you were out the house?
02:58Yes
02:59Yes
03:00She knew I was going to be out the house
03:02Er, this friend that she got, supposedly, said to her, I've been to your dad's house and stolen the stuff
03:10What stuff?
03:11Er, china in gold, and the gold ring belonged to my dead mother
03:15Your mother's ring, who's died, her mother's
03:18Her mother's gold earrings
03:20Gold earrings
03:21The china, and we're talking about £19,000 or £20,000 worth of stuff here
03:24You say that this girl not only knew who did it, but she knew where the stuff was
03:33This has torn the family apart
03:35The dad who, John will meet him, who's always, you say, made excuses for this girl, is now at the end of his tether
03:42It's all on you, though, isn't it? She just sees you as this evil stepmother
03:45That's right, yes
03:46Why has it got to be her, though?
03:48I, I read today that a pane of glass was taken out
03:53This is right, yeah
03:54There was a size 3 trainer imprint
03:57This is right, well, she takes a size 3 trainer
03:59Well, then why didn't the police do something and arrest her?
04:01Because, at the time, she was, she didn't tell us that she knew anything about it
04:05So when she did admit, at a later date, that she knew
04:08Two and a half years later
04:10Why two and a half years later?
04:12So when she admitted that she knew who it was, why didn't you and John go to the police?
04:16We did
04:17And?
04:18The police said you can't do anything unless it's proven
04:21You say that this girl
04:23You just can't go accusing people
04:24You say that this girl is a troublemaker
04:26You say that this girl will do anything to cause problems
04:29She will, yeah
04:30There's lots to this story, she was banned from the wedding as well
04:32Pearl's on the show this way, guys
04:33You're a lawyer
04:37You're nothing but a lawyer
04:39I am a lawyer
04:40And what's the point of having that?
04:42What's the point of having that?
04:43With my disability
04:44You can walk, you can run across the field
04:46Is that right?
04:47Is that right?
04:48Yes, you can
04:49Is that right?
04:50And get an horse's, horse's backs
04:51Is that right?
04:52I don't think so, Pearl
04:53Yes
04:54It doesn't ever happen
04:55Yes, you can
04:56And you can prove that it was me
04:57Yeah
04:58So prove it then
04:59You prove it
05:00You prove it that you wasn't
05:01You prove it
05:02You didn't tell me that bloke was involved
05:04Prove it
05:05You told me that bloke was involved
05:06You, you saying it was me
05:08Yeah
05:09Right, let's just cut to the chase here and make it simple
05:11Sit back because we can't really concentrate specifically on somebody who's not here
05:16The truth is the burglary took place on that day
05:19Yep
05:21What are you trying to lose, Beth?
05:23Who are you?
05:24That's my dad
05:25What are you telling us?
05:26Why are you telling us, my wench?
05:27Because you're lying, dad
05:28We've come here
05:29You're lying
05:30She's twisted your brain
05:31No, whoa, whoa, whoa
05:32That's why you're not talking to me
05:33Hold on, hold on
05:35Why have you come on here on this show shouting
05:37Yeah
05:38Right, when we've come on here to prove a thing with you
05:40When you rung me up last night and asked me, dad
05:43You've come on the show
05:44Well, hold on, dad
05:46You said, I said what?
05:47When you, when we go tomorrow on the show, dad
05:49I said yes, my wench
05:51When I proved to you that I didn't pinch my mother's stuff out of your house
05:55Because you're blaming me
05:56Hold on, hold on
05:57Because you're blaming me
05:58No, nobody ain't blaming you
05:59Nobody ain't blaming you
06:00You're right
06:01Whoa, whoa, whoa
06:02Let's have, let's have it right
06:03Go on then
06:04Nobody's not blaming you, girl
06:05Yeah
06:06The thing was
06:07You said to me last night
06:09Dad, I'll come on that show
06:11In front of everybody
06:13Yeah
06:13And prove to you
06:14I didn't have your stuff
06:16Would you talk to me, dad
06:17And be a, be a daughter
06:19Be, I'll be your daughter again
06:21And you'd talk to me sensible
06:22I said yeah
06:23So what have you come on here shouting for?
06:24Because
06:25She gets me mad over the walking stick
06:27No, no, no, no, no
06:28Never mind about walking stick or anything else
06:30No, I listen to your case
06:31Right
06:32You listen to my case, right?
06:33Yeah
06:34You've only stopped talking to me
06:35Can I, er, can I jump in?
06:36Let's cut to the chase
06:37On that day of the burglary
06:39Her gripe is this
06:41That you phoned and knew that she was out away visiting someone, right?
06:45Completely said you knew nothing about the earrings, the gold and the china
06:49I haven't finished yet
06:50And two and a half years down the line admitted that you knew who'd done it
06:56My simple question, darling, is this
06:59If you knew who'd nicked off your old dad
07:02Why did you wait to say anything for two and a half long years?
07:05Have you told them everything you know?
07:07Yes
07:08Because what really comes through this was the opening line you gave to my researchers
07:13I was a daddy girl and now because of that he won't talk to me
07:18He's never talked to me all the time she's been involved with him
07:20No, this is what this is about
07:22Stop shouting
07:23This is about jealousy, this is
07:25How is it jealousy?
07:26Because you're jealous that this woman has apparently taken your mother's place
07:29And as your little daddy's girl, your dad's no longer interested
07:32That's what you two need to talk about
07:34Not with any disrespect about the jury
07:36Because she's getting both barrels
07:38This is about you and your dad, love
07:40That's what you need to be talking about
07:41But what I'm trying to
07:42Talk to him
07:43What I'm trying to say, Jo, yeah
07:45Since she's been involved with my dad
07:47I'm married to my dad
07:48Tell your dad
07:49Yeah
07:50Tell your dad
07:51Since she's been married to you dad
07:53You've nothing but turned against me
07:55No
07:56Yes you are
07:57No
07:58What about your father today?
07:59What about your father today?
08:00What about you?
08:01Hold on
08:02No, hang on a minute
08:03Hang on a minute
08:04They teach him nothing to do with it
08:05You tell his lies
08:06You tell his lies about your father
08:07Teach him nothing to do
08:08They don't
08:09She says that since you married Susan
08:10Yes
08:11I guess she felt like her mother was replaced
08:12You haven't loved her
08:13Talk to your daughter
08:14Speak to her
08:15No, he hasn't loved me
08:16Why I'm telling her
08:17Why have you banned her from her mother's grave?
08:18Because she's told so many lies
08:20No, but you shouldn't still ban me
08:21What trouble
08:22What are you talking about?
08:23She's got me in rows and bobbles
08:25For no reason
08:26Telling other people about me
08:27You've banned her from her mother's grave?
08:29Yes
08:30Have I banned her?
08:31Yeah
08:32Never banned her from her mother's grave
08:33Yes he has
08:34No I haven't
08:35Yes he has
08:36And I've got witness to prove
08:37That he's banned me from my mother's grave
08:38Listen
08:39Do you believe that this guy
08:40Has been completely brainwashed by Susan?
08:42Yes
08:43No
08:44Yes I do
08:45That's not true
08:46She's put a lot of things into my dad's head
08:48Like what?
08:49We treated her like
08:50Like
08:51Don't talk to him
08:52Don't buy her no presents
08:54It was my birthday the 14th of November
08:56I never had a happy birthday
08:58After my own father
08:59Why is that?
09:00No
09:01Because of her
09:02No no no it's not because of her at all Pippi
09:04The reason was
09:05It's because you've been so nasty
09:07You've been telling this and you've been doing that
09:09I've bought her mother's day presents dad
09:11Yeah
09:12And what have she bought you?
09:13I've tried to get a mother to be good to her
09:14Yeah what have she bought you though?
09:15That's all lies
09:16What have she bought me?
09:17Yeah
09:18She's bought you loads of things
09:19What? No she haven't
09:20You've been lying for her
09:22Are you ignoring her?
09:23I ain't lying for her at all
09:24Are you?
09:25Because this is all about jealousy
09:26This isn't about Phoebe
09:27Are you ignoring your daughter because your new wife tells you to?
09:30No
09:31Why are you ignoring your daughter?
09:32No
09:33Because she's done what she's done
09:34Who's Kath?
09:35My cousin
09:36Your niece as well
09:37She's done what she's doing
09:38You've been doing
09:39I mean
09:40You were taking her
09:41Look at her
09:42To come on the show this way
09:43Give her a round of applause
09:44Listen boys
09:45You're saying
09:46What?
09:47It's got nothing to do
09:48It's got nothing to do with you
09:49You're telling me
09:50You're saying
09:51On this show
09:52You're not blaming your angel, uncle John
09:53It's laughing to do
09:54You're the first people to come to my mum's house and sit there, tap on the table yesterday when you come up to my mum's, not yesterday before.
10:10You weren't there.
10:11Yes, yes I was.
10:12You weren't there.
10:13I was upstairs in my mum's bathroom cleaning her bathroom.
10:16You must have been here for you then.
10:18I heard everything you said to my mum.
10:20I'm tapping on the table and said you've got to get.
10:23Blame it up all good.
10:24Oh yeah, hold on, can I make a point?
10:26You're blaming her for all good.
10:28You were even there for everything.
10:28Before you repeat yourself four times, can I ask you, she knew who nicked the stuff.
10:37Do you think she should have told them sooner?
10:39Yes, she should and I've already told her that.
10:41Do you think she was involved in the robbery?
10:43No, I don't.
10:44And that's what you believe, right?
10:46All right, wait, because that's what...
10:47You just said it there.
10:48You're not listening.
10:51Listen, he is going to think if we...
10:54Because this is twofold, right?
10:55It's very simple.
10:56It's not rocket science.
10:57There's two issues.
10:58The first is, he don't know what to think.
11:00I'm not taking a side because you kept it for two and a half years.
11:03He's going to think...
11:04He knows you don't.
11:04I'm telling you, I know.
11:06He's going to think maybe it's two and a half years because she's hiding something more than that.
11:10And that's an excuse.
11:11That's the first thing.
11:12Second thing is, you're an intelligent girl, right?
11:14She's jealous of this woman, isn't she?
11:16No, she's not.
11:16She hates this woman.
11:17No, she is not.
11:18No, she is not.
11:20One at a time.
11:20No, she's not.
11:22Pippi is not...
11:23No, she's not.
11:23I'm not jealous of you, she.
11:25I'm never going to be jealous of you.
11:26She would have gone home with you in the first beginning.
11:28You're the one that's jealous of me Uncle John's...
11:31Stop swearing.
11:33Stop me.
11:33I'll ask you a question, Pippi.
11:35You shouldn't even be here.
11:36You don't know nothing about it.
11:37Who else has she got?
11:38Who else has she got?
11:40She's got no one else.
11:41She's got all her family.
11:42Stop telling lies.
11:43That's what you don't...
11:45Stop telling lies.
11:48Oh, my God.
11:50Kathy, that's got nothing to do with you.
11:53Can you sit down?
11:54Can I ask you a question?
11:55Do you think she knew more about the robbery than she let on?
11:57Do you think she was part of it?
11:58No, no, no, no.
11:58You're going to pass that lie detector.
12:00Yes, she is.
12:00These two say, and I quote, if she knew any more, you're going to disown her, right?
12:03That's right.
12:04That's right.
12:05You just signed up.
12:05We're going to disown her.
12:06Start shouting.
12:06We've got more important line detector results after the break.
12:09I'm right back.
12:09Don't worry about it.
12:10Your dad is crying his eyes.
12:12He's going to get you all that traffic.
12:13Come here.
12:15That's not a word.
12:16That's your dad.
12:22What did this girl?
12:23What did I say to you?
12:25Stop telling me.
12:25Why is it all did it?
12:27Me.
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13:21Susan, stepdaughter of Pearl, husband John and of Kath here as well.
13:24Lie detector results.
13:25The accusation from Susan was some time ago, some sentimental jewellery, some valuable china totalling almost 20 grand went missing.
13:34I believe it's Pearl.
13:34She said because Pearl rang me and I was out of the house, they found a size three trainer.
13:40Oh, yes, he's going to blame me.
13:41Oh, don't be coy, gobby.
13:43But these ain't a size three, they're size four.
13:47These are size ten.
13:50One minute it was size five, next minute it went to a size three.
13:54But here's the point.
13:56Is this just you labelling the stepdaughter that you don't like?
14:00Hear me out.
14:01Or is this jealousy from a stepdaughter, a daughter who thinks her dad has picked his new girlfriend, wife, over her deceased mother?
14:09I don't know.
14:10Everybody's got involved.
14:10Can I ask you, John, something like this?
14:13Yeah.
14:14I mean, whoever's right here, this isn't the best way for a father and daughter to be, is it?
14:19No, it's not.
14:20Can you shut up a minute?
14:22I'm trying here.
14:23You can't be happy with this.
14:25No, I'm not happy with it.
14:26No.
14:26So what are you going to do about it?
14:28Well, what I'm going to do with it, I want to hear them results.
14:29That's what I want to hear.
14:30Then I'll tell you.
14:31And what if she's telling the truth?
14:32Well, if she's telling the truth, I'll talk to her.
14:34But she apologises to my wife.
14:36If she don't, I will not talk to her dad.
14:38So I'll talk to her.
14:39Do you want to make her apologise?
14:40Do you think your wife...
14:41No, no, no.
14:42When you apologises to her, what you just said, what you just said, you had no need to say what you just said.
14:47Yeah, but we'll...
14:47Hold on, hold on.
14:48Are you saying I'm not disabled, if I am, I've got two back operations.
14:51Hold on, hold on.
14:52I've got an angina.
14:53You should...
14:53Look, this shouldn't have never been mentioned.
14:55You shouldn't have mentioned that.
14:56We all mentioned that they do.
14:56Come on, then.
15:00No, we won't show my name.
15:01No, we won't show my name.
15:02It comes, don't bring that stick to me hands.
15:03I'm leaving with you.
15:04I do.
15:04You come perfectly walking through the door.
15:06You're leaving there.
15:09Can I pick up something else as well?
15:12You said, John, didn't you, that she's caused you, Pearl, a lot of trouble.
15:16There's obviously a lot of antagonism between both sides.
15:18Susan told us that she blames Pearl for sending you to prison.
15:23Oh, my good Lord.
15:24Well, yes, but I don't want to know about that.
15:27There's nothing to do with this.
15:28No, but listen, John, I'm going to tell it.
15:30No, you don't say it.
15:31You're going to tell it.
15:32Say what?
15:32You said, oh, son, you're going to prison.
15:34Why did you get a prison?
15:35Why did you get a prison?
15:36For fraud.
15:37Yes.
15:38For fraud.
15:39The reason why, the reason why...
15:40He's not done for fraud.
15:41Why is that her fault?
15:42Do you think that she caused him to go to prison?
15:44Well, this girl...
15:45That's what you told my research.
15:46Yeah, that's right.
15:46I think this is a story of a young girl who's jealous that her father no longer plays
15:50at the attention that he used to.
15:51No, it's not.
15:51No, it's not.
15:52I don't know whether the stepmother's the evil stepmother or she's not evil.
15:56Uncle John, listen.
15:58You said you liked her a minute ago.
15:59When your first wife passed away...
16:00Can I...
16:02Hang on a minute, Jamie.
16:03I don't want to have my say on me, isn't it?
16:04Well, listen, please.
16:06Well, when I'm here and he passed away...
16:08Who was there for you, Uncle John?
16:09This child here.
16:10Who was there for you?
16:10This child could have been clean for you.
16:12So why did you get a prison?
16:14She was only 12-year-old, my mum, when I remember that.
16:16No, but she still learns how to cook for you.
16:17She was only 12, 12-year-old, my mum.
16:19She still learns how to cook for you.
16:22Yeah.
16:22Can I...
16:22Ask a white ball to her.
16:24Ask a white ball to her in a lane.
16:25No, no, no, no, no.
16:26Think about this one.
16:27Your brain's turned to your shoes.
16:29Kathleen.
16:29You don't know...
16:30You don't know what happened.
16:32You don't, Kathleen.
16:32You don't know what I'm doing.
16:33You don't know what I'm doing.
16:34That's what you think.
16:35You don't know what I'm doing.
16:35You don't know what I'm doing.
16:36Who took her in?
16:37My mum had four kids of her own role.
16:39She lived in a three-bedroom place, and my mum took her in a three-bedroom place, and
16:46my mum took her in a three-bedroom place.
16:48Can I say something?
16:49Can I ask you...
16:50Can I ask you...
16:51Can I ask you...
16:52Can I...
16:53Can I...
16:54Can I ask you a question?
16:56Shut it and answer this.
16:57What?
16:58You've said an awful lot.
16:59What are you going to do if she fails?
17:00Yeah, because I need to.
17:01She can't...
17:02She don't...
17:03What are you going to do if she fails?
17:04Well, if she fails, I'll apologize all to you, and all the ex...
17:07I don't need to tell all these people, and these, what I'm going to do to you.
17:11Are you going to fail?
17:12Because I can't do.
17:13No, no, no, no, no.
17:14So those all-important lie detector results, please.
17:16Well, that's what this is all about.
17:17I think it's more than just this, but this is certainly the starting point, as ever the
17:21questions that were asked to Pearl, the answers that she gave, and whether, indeed,
17:24she was telling the truth or not.
17:28We asked Pearl.
17:29Now, listen very carefully.
17:31Were you present at your dad's house during the burglary three years ago?
17:36She said no.
17:37Why did you say no?
17:39What turn I pick?
17:40Because I'm telling the truth.
17:41I'm telling the truth.
17:42This test says you're a dirty little liar.
17:46Pleasure.
17:48Did you receive any of the items or money from the burglar at your dad's house three years
17:53ago?
17:54No.
17:55This test says you lied on that question as well.
17:58You dirty little liar.
18:00Did you steal any of the missing items during the burglary at your...
18:05Thank you, Kathleen.
18:06Can I finish?
18:07Sorry.
18:08How do you feel now, lady?
18:10Did you steal any of the missing items during the burglary at your dad's house three years
18:14ago?
18:15You said no.
18:16I've got a phrase called a full house.
18:17You failed on every single question.
18:19Thank you, Jeremy.
18:20And for your information, quiet lady, off the charts.
18:23Let my mother's ring, you little...
18:24Yeah.
18:25That was the last thing my mother did before she died.
18:29You didn't give a shit about your mother, did you?
18:31So you had to take my mother's who died.
18:33And you haven't said anything since it was read out because you're a liar.
18:36You're a liar, aren't you?
18:38See, I'll smash your face for you.
18:40Do you want to buy?
18:41I will.
18:42Yes, I will.
18:43Any time and any day.
18:44Sorry, Jeremy.
18:45But my dead mother's ring was on about.
18:47Come up to me home tomorrow.
18:48Oi, don't try and threaten somebody.
18:50Why don't you have the courage and you've shut up all of a sudden.
18:53There you go, John.
18:54Why don't you do the right thing?
18:55Shush one second.
18:56Tell the truth.
18:57Now.
18:58Where's my mum's ring?
18:59Where's my mum's ring?
19:00Where's my mum's ring?
19:01Where's my mum's ring?
19:02Where's my mum's ring?
19:03Where's my mum's ring?
19:04Where's my mum's ring?
19:05Where's my mum's ring?
19:06I'll punch her face in for you.
19:07I'm telling my pies about you.
19:08I'm telling my pies about you.
19:11You are scum.
19:12And you, Kathleen, you're scum for agreeing with her.
19:18Oh, keep saying it's all back.
19:20No, keep saying it's all back.
19:21No, keep saying it's all back.
19:23You're back.
19:28The Jeremy Kyle Show, sponsored by FoxyBingo.com.
19:32The one that you want.
19:38Shush one second.
19:39Tell the truth.
19:40Now.
19:44Come on, Peel, tell the truth.
19:45Tell the truth, Peel.
19:46Why don't we have the right with them, Peel?
19:48Why don't you take me out of there?
19:49Why did you cause all this trouble?
19:50You stole, didn't you?
19:51Please tell me the truth, Peel.
19:52Why did you cause all this trouble?
19:54I would love you as a daughter.
19:55I've got two daughters and treats him like a daughter.
19:57Let's deal with this.
19:58Like a father.
19:59Please.
20:00That test's right, isn't it?
20:01No, I don't know why it's right.
20:02Because I wasn't there at the time, Jeremy.
20:04I wasn't there at the time.
20:06That's a liar.
20:08That's lies.
20:09You said, right, I'm going to pass that test.
20:13You're a liar.
20:14I saw your face.
20:16And you.
20:17Have you got anything to say, Gobby?
20:19Because you had a hell of a lot about five months ago.
20:21I just said something to her.
20:22What about her?
20:23I don't worry how to deal with her backstage.
20:26Pearl.
20:27Obvious to everybody.
20:28Thank you, Patrick, for doing what you've said and what you've done, my rent.
20:31Really, that was wrong.
20:32John.
20:33Sure.
20:34What do you make of your daughter, the thief?
20:35John, just answer, Jeremy.
20:36Let him speak.
20:37Why?
20:38Can I ask you a question?
20:39What do you make of this?
20:40I don't want to know anymore.
20:41Right, Pep?
20:42You made me question now, Pep, and that's it.
20:44My mother's off what you've done.
20:45You shouldn't have done to your father, Pep.
20:50You are scum of the earth.
20:52Scum.
20:53Are you not going to go and explain to your dad, or are you just going to run away and hide from whence you came?
20:56Go on.
20:57Go and talk to him.
20:58Go and tell him the truth.
20:59I'm scum, I want nothing to do with you ever again.
21:01No, wait. Hold on, sir.
21:02You are dead and are always dead.
21:04And your father will never talk to you again now.
21:06Never.
21:07What do you expect, Pearl?
21:08Thank you, Jeremy.
21:09I've got the truth.
21:10Thank you very much.
21:11Go and talk with him.
21:19Your dad, your dad, you know you did because of your reaction.
21:22There's not even any injustice.
21:23Your dad is crying his eyes out.
21:25If there is anything about you, then go and apologise or explain.
21:29Everybody knows you're a liar.
21:31It's written all over your face.
21:32But you went off on one, didn't you?
21:34That's your dad.
21:35Have a look.
21:36You're not interested.
21:37You haven't stuck up for yourself.
21:38You've sat there dumb because you're guilty.
21:40Now, are you going to apologise to him or not?
21:42Go back side, Sean Peer.
21:44Are you serious?
21:46Oi.
21:47That's terrible.
21:48Aren't I?
21:49I am so ashamed.
21:50Just let her sleep.
21:51Where's my mum's ring?
21:52Don't get your hands off him!
21:53Get your hands off him!
21:54I'm not watching you!
21:55Where's my mum's ring?
21:56Where's my mum's ring?
21:57I'll punch her face with you!
21:58I'm telling my boys about you!
21:59You are scum!
22:00And you, Kathleen, you're scum for agreeing with her!
22:02She's just...
22:03Listen!
22:04I'm going to ruin agreeing with her, Sue!
22:05Sue, don't you call me scum!
22:06You are scum!
22:07Listen!
22:08You have to blame her!
22:09Don't call me scum.
22:10You are scum!
22:14I'm going to ruin agreeing with her, Sue!
22:18Sue, don't you call me scum.
22:19You are scum!
22:20I am going to ruin agreeing with her, Sue!
22:22You are scum!
22:23Listen!
22:24I ruin agreeing with her!
22:25It is still nothing about you to follow then,
22:28though.
22:29Don't call me scum else!
22:30I am going to wait to support her!
22:31Going to stay, Mayor, and feel sorry for yourself!
22:32sorry for yourself listen listen can i just can i just for a minute please because this is not
22:42about kathleen that was that was cousin that was blood royalty listen she's not scum because
22:48i'm trying to help you here as she walked off the stage do you know what she said about you
22:53she said i am ashamed of her so it's not her it's you and i don't want you to say a word i don't
22:59want you to say a word come here that's not a word that's your dad you've blown it lady because
23:05you haven't even got the courage to tell him the truth tell him the truth i don't want to come on
23:09here tell him the truth you've made me look i don't want to know the truth no i know the truth
23:14you did steal it didn't you sorry i don't want to know the truth you've had me to come on here i
23:19would have stayed at home i could have had a good birthday alone oh come on shine shine myself
23:26rotten i really deep down my heart thought that you you never done it i really believe deep down
23:32in my heart that's why i was upset the way she was speaking to you because i wanted are you going
23:37to admit that you stole the stuff or not you can do it here it's not a word why are you not admitting
23:45this what meeting what that you stole the stuff did you do it here no i don't care i never still
23:56done that don't believe you not at all neither does she nor does anybody watching neither does
24:00your dad you blew this you've got one luck why don't you go and tell him that it was you
24:05nothing he's disowned you on this stage well what does it i'm not going to stand here and beg you
24:13if you're so low that you can't even that's your dad and you nicked off him i cannot believe you have
24:19stuck up for a friend and then you've been big enough to apologize and admit so you're doing
24:23nothing john john can you do me one favor on your own can you come here one second just you john come
24:29here i don't want to talk at all yeah i want i don't want nothing to do with her now i can't do
24:33this unless you speak no i don't want nothing to do with you now no i don't have to do with what
24:39she's been and done no and nobody's telling me to do it no she was just supporting it where is
24:48this lady's mother's ring because you stole it
24:52do you know what i am sick and tired oh hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on
25:07come here come here come on what are you gonna say come on what are you gonna say
25:11what are you gonna say hold on sorry i'm sorry what are you gonna say why'd you do it peppy please
25:17my girl was you with him pep when you're doing it tell him the truth please please please get it
25:24out and do it now and finish with it now forget it my girl that's it tell him pep
25:29why why darling can i give you a little bit of advice you can't get any worse than this you're
25:39dying to tell him the truth when the stuff comes out of your mouth that's as low as you'll get
25:42tell him the truth you were there weren't you you was when you pep i know you were you were there
25:48weren't you yeah babe babe whatever you do it for me he just she just why did you do it on pep
25:56right listen it never stopped you coming to me i've been behind you you got she got four brothers
26:04to be on her as well so why did she happen i didn't have no money you don't run you should
26:08have come to me and said to meet dad guys guys we have to be really careful because of people
26:13who aren't here you admit that you were there i was there with him but i admit i didn't have no
26:19money or anything yeah well your tears are slightly to me crocodile tears what are you gonna do
26:24listen can you forgive her no i'm not forgiving her now no and i am not standing in this corridor
26:28i'm not giving her now for what she's done i'm not forgiving her now what she's been and done
26:33how does that make it take a lot for me to forgive her now what she's been and me and on my wife as
26:38well what are you saying she should have done that she said why did she do it she had no need to do
26:42it you had no need to do it come and let watch out for me that's all right you shared the money
26:47do you understand the real the real and i can't get into people who aren't here but do you understand
26:56the real problem here yeah no no yeah but you kept it and you lied there's one unwritten rule can i
27:03just say this there's one unwritten rule which i go on about every day right you should be able to
27:08go to your mum and dad good bad or indifferent in the world and i don't know this man too well
27:12but i'm pretty sure right that if you'd gone to him the next day and you'd unburdened your soul
27:17yes he'd have stood in front of you and protected you i haven't finished but you left it two and a
27:24half years and even today you thought my dad in the street you could have found the place the truth
27:31is the truth is and the sad truth is and he has every right to walk away you however however we put
27:38this together you did that test thinking you were going to get away with it and you were
27:42going to be clean and it was right and you know the worst thing about your story lady not all about
27:46that man the fact you tried to label it on her you're a thief and the test showed you a thief and
27:51your dad doesn't want to know and i am not paid to make people do what they don't want to do
27:56so you've blown it lady see ya i'm more interested in him kathleen thank you thank you for your honesty
28:05where is he where is he guys just to finish off today um it was interesting interesting is probably
28:17the wrong word but it went round the houses and you know it was are you the evil stepmother was
28:22she coerced at the end of the day she kept the truth from you her dad for two and a half years
28:25and you've made a decision that you don't want to know no i don't want to know no no no no i said
28:30last night when she rung me she said dad she said i didn't take your stuff i said fair enough
28:35i ain't blaming you i'm only asking you what would you have done if she come to you the day after and
28:38told you well i'd have took her back and i'd have said okay because i know she'd have been a bit timid
28:43right but two and a half year to come back and tell her father two and a half years i agree with
28:48you we're going to leave you i'm sorry that you had to find out that way two and a half years and i'm
28:51sorry as well for your loss but i appreciate you coming on the show we're going to leave you with
28:55all right give him a round of applause those gentlemen and um you say it all the time you
28:59know people come here for the truth that girl went so quiet you knew she was lying um you got a feel
29:06for a guy whatever she went through she didn't tell the truth for two and a half years he says that's
29:11it i'm done we'll keep our fingers crossed that we can at least convince him maybe one day to leave
29:16the door it now the next guest today anita is here for life-changing dna results to finally determine
29:24if she has a whole other family she never knew about now anita says that after being told the
29:29identity of her biological father it's only in the last three years that pieces of the puzzle
29:34started to fit together and she began to realize that her father could have been the same man that
29:38lived with his wife and children check this in the flat below her own massive day for this girl i have
29:45so much sympathy for her anita's on the jeremy carl show
29:48how are you
29:52you all right big day right again say it every day this is your life and i i want to try if i can to
30:04keep this as simple as possible um you had no mother or father growing up no mom died when i was five
30:14she was 21 and um
30:17i apologize
30:21i don't mean to be rude darling and i don't know the truth but do you want to do me a favor
30:39wash your damn mouth out and be quiet until you get given a chance on this show
30:43lose the picture now i don't want to see her lose the picture let's get her off the screen i don't want to see her face at the moment i want to get the story from you anita and i want to get rid of the picture please
30:54what about your father i never knew him who brought you up my grandma and her husband now we're going to do this to keep it simple you said you have only just found out that there were potential siblings those being nigel yeah who would be your half brother nikki your half sister and debbie
31:15your half sister yeah how did you find that out um well when i was uh 18 and lived with my first uh husband
31:26um there was i got i got we got friends with nigel
31:32um not knowing that he might be your brother no how weird is that and uh we lost contact and then
31:39uh we bumped into each other in a pub
31:43how did the connection that you could be half sister to these three nigel debbie and and and nikki how did that happen
31:50well uh i asked my uncle to ask my grandma uh what my dad's real name was and she said it was joe
31:59and uh i asked nigel what his uh dad's name was because i knew it was and he said it was joe
32:09today you will discover if you are a half sister to nigel nikki and debbie sibling dna now let's be perfectly
32:14honest um you say you've been welcomed into this family by almost everybody without any proof except for
32:19debbie she has a lot of questions nikki is amazing you like best friends debbie is jealous
32:24i mean i'm not here to um break to cause trouble or anything i just want to know you want to know
32:32the truth i just want to know the truth um nigel isn't here we've got a statement
32:35nikki is but first up um debbie's on the jeremy carl show
32:39you'll never be my sister and don't even call my dad dad never be your dad you're rat
32:53i told you before you vile foul mouth piece of dirt don't ever use racist language on this stage or you
33:20can do one all right whatever whatever
33:23is there any part of you that hopes she's not well i hope i'm not here what is she what's she done wrong
33:34what's she done wrong yes i've asked a question try and answer it
33:37this can come into my life and tell my children what to do and then why have your sister and
33:42brother accepted i don't care what they say why are you so angry with her
33:46i'm jealous of her yeah probably i've been brought up by my dad what i've been brought up by my dad
33:52but that's a horrible thing she never knew her dad no don't watch she's not she's not
33:57pinching her dad do you know i'm gonna get your other sister out nikki's on the show
34:02but i'm going to have to me
34:14calm down
34:19Hey, Richard, you're in the house!
34:22Come on!
34:25Stop it!
34:26Get off the stage!
34:28Shut up!
34:29I'm not here today, you're in the house!
34:44Nicky, can I ask a question before I fall off this stage with embarrassment?
34:48Can you look at me?
34:50Why would you have accepted this girl?
34:53Because she's my sister!
34:54Then what the hell is wrong with her?
34:56She's fe...
34:57I beg your pardon?
34:59She's fe...
34:59She's...
35:04She's...
35:05On...
35:06Onamphetamine?
35:07Yeah!
35:08Yay!
35:10Right.
35:12This lady,
35:14calmly, please,
35:15has had thrown in her face by this Debbie woman.
35:19I knew my dad and all...
35:21This girl has had no mother and no father.
35:24Out of almost sheer chance met Nigel.
35:28You've accepted her with loving arms.
35:30Can I just read, as we calm down, a statement from Nigel,
35:33your potential half-brother, who says,
35:34Debbie has never accepted Anita into our family
35:37from when she found out we could have that half-sister.
35:40I couldn't be happier to have Anita as part of our family.
35:42Once the DNA test proves she is our half-sister,
35:45Debbie will need to learn to accept it once and for all.
35:47Myself and my sisters are lucky enough
35:49to have had a relationship with our father.
35:52Anita never had that,
35:53and it's time for her to be made to feel welcomed by this family,
35:56and that includes Debbie.
35:58She's done nothing wrong,
35:59and quite rightly simply wants to know the family she never had.
36:03And it's interesting, isn't it?
36:04Without proof, you and Nigel have accepted that
36:07and treated this woman very well.
36:09But, I mean, this is vile behaviour.
36:12Such...
36:12What's going to happen if Anita is...
36:18Do you believe Anita is young?
36:19Yeah, I do.
36:20What does it mean to you?
36:21A lot.
36:23A lot.
36:24Do you know, the rest of them teeth,
36:29I'm going to smash them out of her face.
36:37I think...
36:38I think...
36:39I don't...
36:39You know, I don't condone violence.
36:41Listen to me.
36:42Can we try, all of us,
36:43to think that this is about this lady today
36:45finding out the most important thing, right?
36:47That's the most important...
36:48We need to go and do this, guys, okay?
36:50And I want you to be calm for her sake.
36:53Come on.
36:55Come on.
36:56We've got to just...
36:57We've got to fight...
36:58Because, look, let's say you're both right.
37:00This anger can't go on, right?
37:02It can't go on.
37:03We've got to try and do something.
37:04So, please, right, Nick, just...
37:06Let's bring this down a minute.
37:09Just let me try at least to do what I can.
37:13Let me try a different angle, Deb,
37:15without you shouting, right?
37:16Get her away from me.
37:17No, I won't get her away from you.
37:18Get her away from me.
37:19Why aren't you talking to me?
37:21Forget her.
37:21Look at me.
37:23Cut all the rubbish.
37:23Talk to me.
37:24Stop it.
37:25Told you.
37:27A lot of people watching this, right?
37:29Look what?
37:30Look at me.
37:32Would go, jeez, I could find out.
37:35Now, for however many years,
37:38I haven't been able to see a sister.
37:40Look at me.
37:40It doesn't degrade your father.
37:44It's the truth.
37:44Yeah, it does.
37:45What if he is her father?
37:48He will never be.
37:50He will never be my sister.
37:52She's jealous.
37:53So why are you good on here, then?
37:55So why do you want to know where the she is?
37:58I mean, you're not.
37:59I'm not going to do anything.
38:00No.
38:01But I'm not.
38:02I'm all mad.
38:03What is that?
38:03You weren't.
38:04What are you?
38:04You want me to let her stay in this, niggie?
38:07Stop.
38:08And she's not a stranger.
38:10What did I say to you?
38:11What did I say to you?
38:13What is she?
38:14All right.
38:14All right.
38:15Yes.
38:16No.
38:17Say that she is.
38:19This is why I wanted to bring it down.
38:20Would you do me a favor and bring it down?
38:23John, stand with her.
38:24Listen to me.
38:26What are you going to do?
38:28What am I going to do?
38:29Because do you want to know something, right?
38:30I'm going to walk away.
38:31You're 49, and I'm going to tell you something that you might not like.
38:34I am utterly convinced that you feel that, just do me out,
38:39that this girl has walked into your life,
38:42has taken your brother and sister away,
38:44and you're jealous of this.
38:45I'm not jealous of her.
38:46It's not her fault.
38:48I'm not jealous of her.
38:49Should we find the truth out?
38:51Yeah.
38:51The DNA test results show that Anita...
38:56Just calm down.
38:57Look at me.
38:58Come here.
38:59Come here.
39:07Can you get me those DNA results, please?
39:09Stop, father.
39:10Swear to God.
39:12Stop swearing.
39:13I'm going to rip my head off.
39:15You're going to rip my head off?
39:16I am...
39:16Come forward.
39:18You're not doing yourself any favors now.
39:20I'll tell her to shut her mouth, then.
39:21No, I'm interested in her.
39:23Can I ask the obvious question without upsetting you?
39:25What are you going to do if all of this attachment,
39:26all of a sudden, she's right, and she's not your half-sister?
39:29Then I'll still be on her side.
39:31What was your relationship like with Debbie before this?
39:34All right.
39:35All right.
39:36Better than this.
39:38Yeah, so that's the point, isn't it?
39:41No, stop it.
39:42You watch, pal.
39:43Do you want to go for it?
39:46The DNA test...
39:48The DNA test results show that Anita...
39:51You're not their half-sister.
40:00Told you, sir!
40:02Told you!
40:03Told you!
40:04Take away from my sibling!
40:07Don't speak to them!
40:09I told you!
40:10Yes, she can speak to me!
40:12Walk to me!
40:13She can speak to me!
40:14Are you my sibling?
40:15No, I'm not now.
40:16No?
40:16Good.
40:17Good.
40:18Yeah, you do one, pal.
40:20I told you!
40:22I don't...
40:22Who did it?
40:24Me!
40:25Has it made you any bigger?
40:27Yeah, it has!
40:27No, it has!
40:28I don't understand the anger, but I'm more interested.
40:31I'm sorry right now.
40:32You've been, I have to say, so dignified and so calm,
40:37and I cannot even begin to ask you this,
40:40but how do you feel?
40:41I, I, I'm...
40:42Erm...
40:44You're still with my sister, I don't care.
40:46I'll still keep in touch with...
40:47My dad!
40:48Mess in the back!
40:49Yeah, I'm in mum's back!
40:50Guys, guys!
40:52Oi!
40:52Don't get away from me!
40:56I'll still keep in touch with Nigel and me.
40:59Your relationship...
41:00You're amazing, and I'm sorry that this has happened to you.
41:03This relationship with your sister, whoever watches this and whatever their reactions,
41:08one would assume that it was jealousy or anger or whatever.
41:11Your relationship with your sister has been affected by this.
41:16Now that this isn't true, can it not go back?
41:19Do you not think you should speak to her?
41:20No, I don't wanna...
41:21I don't wanna...
41:23She was right, though, darling, if we cut the argument.
41:24Maybe she were right, but I don't wanna...
41:26Will you do me a favour?
41:27Because this lady's calm.
41:28Will you just give me one minute?
41:29Will you give me one minute to try and just...
41:32This isn't this lady's fault, but I can see all sides.
41:35But the anger and the animosity...
41:36Maybe you could try and convince her to speak to Debbie.
41:38I'm gonna go and see if I can get Debbie.
41:40Anita, I don't...
41:41I shouldn't ask you it, but maybe this would be a way of putting it to bed,
41:44and we'll certainly help you.
41:45And I mean that.
41:46We'll, as a show, help you see if we can do anything.
41:58Now, just...
41:58Just...
41:59Just please, just...
42:00Just give me...
42:02Just please stop shouting.
42:03My head is pounding.
42:05Listen.
42:06I'm fine now.
42:07I've got what I wanted.
42:08But your relationship with...
42:10Just calm down.
42:11Look at me.
42:12This girl was led to believe this.
42:14She hasn't taken anything from anybody.
42:16Two people have accepted it and been proven wrong.
42:19You hadn't and were proven right.
42:21But the real tragedy of this would be if you and your sister's relationship didn't improve.
42:27My dad wouldn't have wanted this.
42:29No, he wouldn't.
42:30So come and talk to her and put it down.
42:31You were right.
42:32Look at me.
42:33You were right.
42:34But I don't think it's Anita's fault.
42:36And the real tragedy here is that you and Nicky shouldn't be like this.
42:41For your dad.
42:42Come with me.
42:42Then come with me for your dad.
42:44Come on.
42:44Let's just do this for your dad.
42:45Come on, babe.
42:46Let's just do this for your dad.
42:47All right.
42:48Let's just...
42:49Come here.
42:49Come here.
42:50Just let's...
42:51Let's just do this with a digger.
42:54I understand.
42:54Just let's stop the swearing.
42:58And let's...
42:59Anita, are you all right to just take a seat at the side?
43:02Is that all right?
43:02Yeah.
43:04Now let's just bring this down.
43:06And I'm going to say one thing to both of you.
43:08Okay?
43:09Nicky.
43:11Nicky, don't do that.
43:12You're better than this.
43:13Look at me.
43:16Nicky.
43:17Things have been said that aren't fair.
43:22Things have happened that you're probably both regretting.
43:26Look at me.
43:27Your dad.
43:29He wouldn't have wanted this.
43:30No, I know.
43:31Right.
43:32That's enough.
43:33Would he?
43:33No, he wouldn't.
43:34Then apologise to each other on this.
43:36No chance.
43:37Not a prayer.
43:38What would your dad have wanted?
43:40Probably he wanted me to do.
43:42But I'm not interested in it.
43:43I don't want to know.
43:44She feels like you...
43:46Listen.
43:46She feels like you picked the side.
43:48Please don't get offended if a stranger over your sister.
43:51I did pick the Anita side.
43:53Yeah.
43:53Right.
43:53Which is a screw.
43:54Because I don't agree if you get on Facebook.
43:56Oh, so what?
43:57Let's forget Facebook.
43:58She was her.
44:02She was...
44:03Look at me.
44:04You were both angry.
44:05Can I at least just ask you one thing?
44:07Because I'm almost out of time here.
44:08Look at me.
44:09This amazing man.
44:11Can we at least, just for half an hour, try, away from Anita, look at me.
44:18Half an hour of your life, babe.
44:19For your dad's memory.
44:20A little bit of common ground.
44:21And if it doesn't work, you go any separate directions.
44:23But what I don't want you to do is leaving here today, having had all of this, and not
44:26at least give it a chance to hear each other's side and then walk in the opposite direction.
44:30Will you do that?
44:30No.
44:30Don't ask me again, because the answer will be still no.
44:36And you and Anita will stay friends?
44:38Yeah.
44:39And you don't want to have anything to do with your sister?
44:41No.
44:42It's a shame.
44:43This is not a shame at all.
44:45Yes, it is.
44:45No, it's not.
44:46Your sister was big enough, and I didn't think I'd say this to you, darling, to come round
44:49this side.
44:51You're just acting like a...
44:52You're acting like a sports sister now.
44:53She told people that she didn't care whether Anita was our sister.
44:56Because she was threatened.
44:57Shut your mouth.
44:57She was right.
44:58Don't be rude to her.
44:59Because...
45:00She's come and apologised, and she's come round and said...
45:02I don't care.
45:03Just meet her halfway.
45:06Anita, don't you think that Nikki should meet her halfway?
45:11Look.
45:11Look at you.
45:12You should...
45:12You should...
45:12Do you think she should meet her halfway?
45:16She's the...
45:17She's the...
45:18Yeah, by the way.
45:19Yeah, I know she is.
45:20She's the victim.
45:21She told everybody that she weren't bothered whether Anita were my sister.
45:24I'm pretty sure watching this, she might be quite glad she's not involved, but she's still
45:27dignified enough to sit there and say the two of you should have your head spayed together
45:31and try and put this right.
45:32I'm asking you...
45:32She weren't bothered whether she would have...
45:33I'm asking you...
45:34Nothing's up.
45:34I wanted to know.
45:35I wanted to know.
45:36I wanted to know what I thought in my head.
45:40How everybody said.
45:41I am saying, you can have a relationship with her.
45:43You don't have to.
45:43Can't you two just sit in a room with him for half an hour?
45:46Come on.
45:47No.
45:47To honour your parents' memory?
45:50No.
45:53Look at you, just like me, Mum.
45:55It might be best if...
45:56Yeah, just like me, Mum.
45:58Look, she's talking to you.
45:59It might be best if you do, just for half an hour.
46:01I don't want to.
46:02Yeah.
46:03Look at you.
46:05Do you know, Mum won't have to...
46:06Turning her grave with you.
46:08Nobody...
46:09Turning her grave with you.
46:11Nobody on this show...
46:12And Dad.
46:12Excuse me.
46:13Nobody on this show forces anybody doing it.
46:15You are possibly one of the most dignified people in the world that I've ever met.
46:18And I want to say one thing to you.
46:19We will give you any bit of help we can, all right?
46:23I promise you, to find your father.
46:25Kate and the team will work with you with that.
46:29Just try whatever you feel right now to keep an open mind, okay?
46:37The offer of support mediation is there.
46:39Come with me, Graham.
46:40I'll leave you with her.
46:40Deb, I don't apologise because you were very angry at the beginning,
46:45but I will say this.
46:47Again, people take up positions, but let's try and keep an open mind, okay?
46:51Graham is going to work with you.
46:53I know only one thing from doing this for eight years.
46:56When there's that much anger and that much passion,
46:59it genuinely means that actually there's real concern and love underneath.
47:03Steph, can you come here, sweetheart, please?
47:05We're going to get Steph to come in and do her stuff.
47:07Graham's there as well.
47:08And we're going to do our best to try and make this right, okay?
47:14Shake my hand.
47:17I've got what I wanted.
47:18We'll give you every bit of help we can.
47:19We'll leave you with Steph.
47:20Thank you very much indeed.
47:21And I've said it many, many times on this show, you know,
47:23the critics will say,
47:25oh, that was really, really angsty.
47:28There was argument.
47:29There was shouting.
47:30I would far rather that that happened in a controlled environment
47:33in the right way
47:35and that we dealt with it and brought it down.
47:38And hopefully somewhere down the line,
47:40after the aftercare department have done their magic,
47:42maybe these people's lives will be better,
47:44but we don't force anybody to do anything.
47:45Thank you so much indeed for watching today.
47:47To the audience at home, here in the studio, and for you,
47:49thank you very much indeed.
47:50I'll see you very soon.
47:51Take care.
47:51Bye for now.
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