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Este es un registro histórico fascinante de la televisión argentina de finales de los 90. El programa "Misterios del Universo", emitido por Telefe, capturó un momento clave en la divulgación de la ufología y lo paranormal en el país, bajo la conducción de Anabela Ascar antes de su etapa en Crónica TV. Se transmitió originalmente el sábado 13 de noviembre de 1999 a la medianoche por Telefe.
El Panel y las Charlas
- Luis Martorelli: Reconocido astrónomo de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata (UNLP), aportó la visión científica y académica al debate.
- Monseñor Carlos Valdiserri: Una figura singular por ser un obispo disidente y "sacerdote sanador", representando la intersección entre la fe y los fenómenos inexplicables.
- Francisco Checchi: Investigador del Grupo Alfa, conocido por su enfoque en el contacto extraterrestre y la parapsicología.
- Pedro Romaniuk: Una eminencia de la época, pionero de la ufología en Argentina y fundador del Instituto de Cosmobiofísica.
- Luis Burgos: Representante de la Fundación Argentina de Ovnilogía (FAO), quien presentó la evidencia física.
El Caso de las Piedras de Achar (1973)
Luis Burgos llevó al programa piezas recolectadas tras un famoso incidente en Achar, Tacuarembó (Uruguay), ocurrido en mayo de 1973.
- El suceso: Fue un avistamiento masivo donde los pobladores informaron de un aterrizaje.
- La evidencia: Las piedras presentadas fueron analizadas y, según se expuso, contenían aluminio de alta pureza, un material que en ese contexto se consideraba anómalo para una formación natural en dicha zona.
El Panel y las Charlas
- Luis Martorelli: Reconocido astrónomo de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata (UNLP), aportó la visión científica y académica al debate.
- Monseñor Carlos Valdiserri: Una figura singular por ser un obispo disidente y "sacerdote sanador", representando la intersección entre la fe y los fenómenos inexplicables.
- Francisco Checchi: Investigador del Grupo Alfa, conocido por su enfoque en el contacto extraterrestre y la parapsicología.
- Pedro Romaniuk: Una eminencia de la época, pionero de la ufología en Argentina y fundador del Instituto de Cosmobiofísica.
- Luis Burgos: Representante de la Fundación Argentina de Ovnilogía (FAO), quien presentó la evidencia física.
El Caso de las Piedras de Achar (1973)
Luis Burgos llevó al programa piezas recolectadas tras un famoso incidente en Achar, Tacuarembó (Uruguay), ocurrido en mayo de 1973.
- El suceso: Fue un avistamiento masivo donde los pobladores informaron de un aterrizaje.
- La evidencia: Las piedras presentadas fueron analizadas y, según se expuso, contenían aluminio de alta pureza, un material que en ese contexto se consideraba anómalo para una formación natural en dicha zona.
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00:00This is our planet, our place, our world.
00:07We were born in it, and here we fought, suffered, and loved until the end of our days.
00:14All of existence, at least that of which we are aware,
00:18It unfolds here, on this planet, in our world.
00:23Beyond, the sky, the infinite, the vast emptiness that each night is adorned with millions of lights and stars.
00:32It is then that our world most resembles an island lost in the most limitless of spaces.
00:41It is not surprising that man has felt alone, the sole inhabitant of the universe,
00:46And in his mind the idea would take shape that on the other side of the clouds,
00:49nothing exists but the silence of an icy space without any presence of life.
00:56No one can come from that black horizon of stars,
01:00because nothing exists in the cosmic universe, except us.
01:06Unless, it all said, we are not alone.
01:11That other living beings, in other corners of space,
01:14have found ways to reach our world.
01:17And that, at least, is what we will try to investigate from this program that we begin today.
01:33Good evening, my name is Anabel Lascar,
01:36And from today, from this program, we will explore together the mysteries of the universe.
01:42And one of those mysteries is the possibility of finding life on other planets.
01:47The truth is that science today denies this.
01:49but he does not rule it out as a present or future possibility.
01:53I propose, then, that you also participate in this exciting task.
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02:29Okay, we're now with Luis Martorelli, Esq.
02:57If you know, and if you don't, I'll tell you now.
02:59that science very recently discovered another planetary system,
03:03And that's why we're going to talk to Mr. Martorelli,
03:06Astronomer, graduate in astronomy and professor at the University of La Plata.
03:10How are you?
03:11Hey Anabel, how are you?
03:12Okay, so what's this about the planetary system?
03:14Well, yes, that's true.
03:16As we know, modern technology has evolved by leaps and bounds in recent times,
03:22and it allows us to study, investigate and discover planetary systems around other stars.
03:28A fact that was limited to nothing more than our solar system.
03:31We know clearly that our house, our home, planet Earth,
03:35It revolves around a star, the Sun, doesn't it?
03:39There are eight other planets around the Sun that accompany Earth.
03:43For now, the only one where there is life is ours.
03:47Where is this planetary system located?
03:49This planetary system is located in the Andromeda constellation,
03:53It is around a star called Upsilon of Andromeda.
03:56It is a planetary system recently discovered using very modern technology,
04:01with three well-detected planets, larger than Jupiter,
04:06But in order to talk about these planets, we need to understand a little bit.
04:10what is inside our solar system.
04:12We have the material, don't we?
04:14We have some pictures to look at.
04:15So, we'll be talking about the images with the lawyer.
04:18And we're going to add more information.
04:22What is this we are seeing?
04:23As man investigated, studied, and analyzed the solar system with spacecraft,
04:29with modern telescopes,
04:31We encounter large planets like Jupiter,
04:34that have moons around them, have many moons.
04:38We only know of one, which is the one that revolves around the Earth.
04:41But the giant planets, Jupiter for example, have 16 moons, Saturn 22.
04:46Studying, for example, the moons of Jupiter involves analyzing or investigating a geology,
04:51a completely new chemistry, a completely new meteorology.
04:54When we studied one of those moons, which is called Europa, precisely,
04:58and we found that it is a structure completely covered in ice,
05:03and that within it there may be oceans, seas,
05:07We find that we will soon have to send a ship to investigate and study
05:11if microorganisms cannot exist inside.
05:14That's what science studies.
05:17Science today investigates with evidence, it analyzes samples.
05:21The same thing happened to us when we arrived on Mars.
05:24Do you remember that about 15 years ago the Viking spacecraft explored Mars?
05:29what later became known as a big face.
05:31But it is only a possibility of microbial life.
05:34I wouldn't say there is life.
05:36I would say that the only life known today exists on planet Earth.
05:39If we study and investigate other planets more deeply,
05:43We still don't have the technology today.
05:45But were pyramids ever found?
05:47No, that's what I wanted to tell you.
05:49Images taken by the Viking spacecraft a few years ago detected a face.
05:55It wasn't a face.
05:56That face, processed, analyzed, studied today with computers,
06:00It clearly shows that they are mountains, valleys, craters,
06:06where the lights and shadows show us a game
06:09which the computer can then assemble as desired.
06:12Are the pyramids the same?
06:14Exactly the same.
06:15They are not pyramids, they are mounds or like a city that was supposedly found.
06:19They are suns, excuse me, lights and shadows that show us,
06:23in front of a computerized image, something we may not want to see.
06:27When we scientifically analyze those images with modern technology,
06:31We discovered other things.
06:32When a constellation or planetary system is discovered,
06:36Do the chances of finding life increase or not?
06:39Hey...
06:40Today, science has cataloged between 14 and 15 planetary systems.
06:44outside our solar system.
06:46But how 15?
06:47Exact.
06:48If today I study and research with superior technology,
06:50I can analyze small dark objects around stars.
06:55OK?
06:56Those stars are very far away.
06:58And those dark spots are precisely planets that are orbiting around them.
07:04So the chances of finding life don't increase.
07:07as more planetary systems are discovered.
07:09The more we study, the more opportunities we have.
07:11But you have to study seriously.
07:13Could those planets have conditions like those Earth once had?
07:16We don't know.
07:17And that's what we need to keep studying.
07:19Where is this planetary system located?
07:22Inside the Milky Way?
07:23Exactly, and they are very close, right here, 44 light-years away.
07:26What about other planetary systems?
07:28They are between 15 and 100 light-years away.
07:31And what about the dimensions?
07:33We are in the third dimension.
07:35No, that's a different problem.
07:37No, no, no.
07:38I wouldn't talk about dimensions, I wouldn't talk about a third dimension.
07:42We only know three: height, width, and length.
07:45Time is another dimension.
07:47But I don't think it's a topic to discuss at this time.
07:49By?
07:50Because it's a very complicated topic in physics and mathematics,
07:53where we would need to bring in experts on those topics.
07:56You know that omniologists or omniologists talk about the possibility of life in other dimensions.
08:01How do you see this?
08:02I would say that we need to study much more.
08:04Today we only have one technology,
08:06And that is what science can show us and is demonstrating at this time.
08:10You were talking about the water that was found on Europa's moon.
08:13Exact.
08:14How was that investigation conducted?
08:15That research was done using spacecraft, the Voyagers,
08:19who investigated and detected that structure through the technology that these ships have.
08:25And today, with a spacecraft called Galileo, which is circling Jupiter,
08:29We also observed that ice.
08:31What does science look for when it looks for life first? Is it looking for water?
08:34Water is a fundamental basis for life to develop.
08:37And water in the proportions in which it occurred on our planet, on planet Earth.
08:41That's what we're looking for.
08:43And as an astronomer, do you feel that you will ever find life elsewhere?
08:46I think so.
08:47Perhaps I won't see it, but surely man will find it someday.
08:50Well, Mr. Martorelli, thank you very much for being with us.
08:53Thank you.
08:54We want to let the entire audience know that if they wish to contact us via email,
08:58They can do so at misteriosdeluniverso@telefe.com
09:03and if not, by phone at 4-941-9231.
09:08We're taking a break, we have more, we'll be right back.
09:10When we analyze the UFO phenomenon, two very defined positions emerge.
09:30One is the scientific, we might say rigid, stance, which needs concrete proof to say whether this belongs to a purely extraterrestrial topic.
09:39And on the other hand there are the researchers whom we could define as mystics, as esotericists,
09:44Those who perhaps do not need proof, but rely more on the message that these beings would bring to this planet.
09:51And in the middle of these two is the position of religions, how religions are affected and what religions or dogmas think about this issue.
09:59That's why today we're going to talk with Monsignor Valdiserri, a dissident bishop of the Roman Catholic Church.
10:06He is also a healing priest.
10:08On the other hand, we are going to talk with a researcher, if you will, a scientist, a rigid one, we are going to talk with Luis Burgos.
10:14Currently, Luis Burgos is a member of the FAO and the Argentine Omnilogy Foundation.
10:22And we're also going to talk with Francisco Chechi, who is a journalist, researcher, and also the founder of the Alfa group.
10:31Specifically, Chechi is referring to the scheduled meetings.
10:35You may have heard of people who schedule an encounter with beings from other planets
10:39And they say that they appear, and well, we're going to talk to them about this.
10:42Let's see how they are, are they okay, are they comfortable?
10:45Yes, perfectly comfortable, but I would like to make a small clarification.
10:49Yeah.
10:50There are no healing priests, that is, I am not a healer.
10:55Christ is the healer through the laying on of hands and the faith of the one who receives.
11:01In other words, I am not a healing priest, I am an intermediary.
11:04A mediator.
11:05Exact.
11:06Okay, I suggest we watch a very interesting video and then we can talk about what you think of it.
11:10We see it.
11:12The testimonies that claim to have seen, photographed and filmed vehicles of unknown technology and origin
11:18that cross our skies and land in our fields
11:22They seem to be outside of all logic, and official science does not admit their presence.
11:27That is why they are referred to by the imprecise name of unidentified flying objects.
11:33However, here we have images obtained in Belgium, in April 1972.
11:41Silhouetted against the sky, they appeared as mere points of light, of unknown origin and function.
11:47They resembled the release of some kind of energy.
11:51It is not possible to speak of an object since all that can be seen is light.
11:57This other object was filmed in São Paulo, Brazil, on May 28, 1986.
12:03The cameraman was able to film the object's movements for several minutes.
12:08It looked like a ball of fire.
12:10It did not emit light, but rather a kind of energy around it that changed from yellow to red.
12:17The moon was located to the right and when zoomed in, a white tone without apparent flashes could be seen.
12:24The UFO was something else.
12:26The cameraman made several blurring motions to appreciate the approximate distance at which he was located.
12:32At one point it moved away and stopped shining until it disappeared into the sky.
12:38This strange object was filmed in the United States from an airplane window.
12:43All scientists and researchers accept the existence of UFOs,
12:47since not all objects that cross the sky are always identified.
13:08The controversy arises when attempts are made to interpret the phenomena.
13:17For skeptics, UFOs are produced by mass hysteria or war neurosis.
13:23fantasies of people seeking publicity, psychopathological personalities
13:28and erroneous interpretations of known and rationally explainable objects.
13:33For others, UFOs are not from our planet, and from there arise the most incredible theories.
13:40Despite all the disagreements and controversies, unidentified flying objects are there.
13:48adopting the most diverse forms imaginable.
13:52Although of course, the cylindrical, spherical and especially that circular and convex shape predominate
13:59which has given them the unchangeable name of flying saucers.
14:04In the first days of July 1947, a reporter for the Louisville Times of Kentucky
14:11I obtained this photograph, probably the first one published in a newspaper.
14:16It clearly shows the luminous trail of two circular objects.
14:21During that year and the following years, the cymbals made numerous appearances.
14:27The FBI, the CIA, and space researchers from the U.S. Armed Forces
14:42They devoted themselves to studying the phenomenon.
14:44His work was carried out between 1947 and 1965,
14:50analyzing a total of 10,147 observations.
14:54After 18 years of study, they issued a verdict.
14:59There does not appear to be fully satisfactory evidence.
15:02that some cases may fall outside the structure,
15:05of known science and technology.
15:09Most of the sightings, photographs, and films
15:13They are not extraterrestrial spacecraft, but bright stars.
15:18balloons, conventional aircraft, missiles, lightning,
15:23reflections of the sun, flocks of birds, isolated radar signals,
15:29fireworks and flames.
15:36However, they had to admit that 646 investigations
15:40They could not be identified, nor were satisfactory answers obtained.
15:44about those phenomena.
15:46Furthermore, many of the cases explained provided sufficient grounds
15:50for disbelief.
15:52NASA itself has been affected by UFOs,
15:55being able to photograph them on several occasions.
15:59Numerous astronauts, both American and Russian,
16:03They confirm having had encounters with unidentified objects and lights.
16:07While scientists are reluctant to admit the presence of UFOs,
16:12NASA, just in case, on the Pioneer 10 probe,
16:17He fixed an aluminum plate coated with a layer of gold.
16:20where a man and a woman were depicted,
16:23proportionally drawn next to the probe
16:26and some lines with 14 pulsars.
16:28The frequency of the hydrogen atom and the sun,
16:32with its planets clearly oriented to the probe's starting point
16:36so that any intelligent being that might intercept it
16:39easily knew its origin.
16:43This is the most irrefutable proof that it's not just imaginative people,
16:47mass hysterias and psychopathological personalities
16:50They believe in the possibility that the universe is inhabited.
16:53by other intelligent beings, besides man.
17:10Monsignor, what is the Church's position regarding the UFO issue?
17:14Well, that's up to each individual, isn't it?
17:17I can personally give you my opinion.
17:20I have no doubt that UFOs exist
17:25or as soon as he is seen sporadically in Jujuy and Salta.
17:30Let's not forget that there are mercury wells.
17:35Now, I haven't seen an alien,
17:38But that doesn't mean I don't believe they could exist.
17:41Why?
17:44Because if those flying saucers were from this planet,
17:49It would be from a country that would subjugate everyone with its power and technology.
17:55Did believing in UFOs cause you any problems?
17:57No, no, not at all. It hasn't caused me any problems.
17:59Yes, discussions, of course.
18:01And my personal opinion is that they are extraterrestrials.
18:04Are you a dissident because of this?
18:06No, no, no. I'm a dissident for another reason that would take too long to explain.
18:10But I can say them.
18:12I am in favor of priests marrying.
18:14I do not deny baptism to any creature,
18:18whether the parents are married or not,
18:20I do not deny communion to a separated or divorced woman or man.
18:25And according to the early church,
18:28I accept, as the Orthodox continue to do,
18:31even a divorce.
18:32But I don't want to take up any more time because we're on another program.
18:35Ah, okay. Luis Burgos, what did you think of the video?
18:37The part you mention, Anabel, is interesting.
18:41to the Blue Book project,
18:44because it is clear to the general public,
18:49those 600 cases with which he went to his grave
18:52the famous Condon project,
18:54They could not be explained by the USAS,
18:56nor by the United States Air Force,
18:58nor by any official body of the time.
19:01And that was in 1969, Anabel.
19:03650 cases where they did not have a satisfactory explanation for science.
19:08If we multiply that by other countries over the last 30 years,
19:12We currently have thousands and thousands of cases worldwide
19:16that do not have a logical explanation.
19:18And I think that's where the emphasis needs to be placed.
19:20and I fully agree with the father's words,
19:24because of the research we do with my organization
19:27and the one I've been doing for 30 years,
19:29It is based on the premise that the UFO phenomenon exists.
19:32What we don't know is who's inside.
19:34In other words, we don't know where the UFO phenomenon comes from.
19:37We don't know how he manages to get here.
19:39What is the propulsion system? What medium does it use?
19:42and we don't really know what it's for.
19:44But the UFO phenomenon is physical and it is real.
19:47Francisco Echechi, what is your opinion?
19:49Well, my opinion is that...
19:51Well, the video you guys have put together is really beautiful,
19:55It displays a large number of images photographed around the world,
19:59There are many more; millions of people have seen it.
20:02And this is scientific proof.
20:05That official science, which is very respectable,
20:08To this day, I have not been able to prove that there is life on other planets.
20:13That doesn't mean that life doesn't exist.
20:16It has not been tested yet.
20:18You dedicate yourself exclusively to scheduled meetings, right?
20:20Yeah.
20:21That's another story.
20:22Exactly.
20:23Do you have proof of that?
20:24I began scientifically investigating the UFO phenomenon 30 years ago.
20:31the little footprint, computer studies,
20:34But one day I discovered there was another possibility
20:38and that they were coming directly to meet us.
20:43This moved me deeply; it changed my life.
20:46But how did you arrive at that possibility?
20:48Because I'm telling you, you've discovered gunpowder, haven't you?
20:51Well, back then, around 1985, I was very skeptical.
20:58He was totally skeptical of telepathic contacts
21:01and to all those encounters.
21:03And in our group, someone started receiving telepathic messages from them.
21:08I didn't believe him, but we went to the date.
21:13Almost like having a picnic, but they appeared.
21:18And we had to accept that reality.
21:20That's interesting what you're saying.
21:22The truth is very interesting.
21:23But we'll continue in the next segment because we have much more.
21:27And we also have evidence that these researchers brought to us.
21:30We'll be right back.
21:31We were talking about the scheduled meetings.
21:49Francisco, what's the situation with this?
21:51Well, yes.
21:52To this day, since that moment we were just discussing,
21:56In 1986, we experienced more than 60 scheduled meetings.
22:01Of those that have involved more than 4,000 people,
22:04who are truly witnesses to the contact between superior beings
22:09And man has begun.
22:11But who is calling it? You or them?
22:13They.
22:14They.
22:15And how do you find out?
22:16They have a separate phone.
22:18We could say yes.
22:20It's cosmic telephony.
22:22They send us telepathic messages.
22:25They send us a great deal of teaching, of knowledge,
22:29of predictions about events that will happen in the world
22:33and which we have been advertising in our conferences and magazines for the past 13 years.
22:38Many of them have already been fulfilled.
22:40But how do you receive the message?
22:42Do you have it at home and you say, oh, I have a message, let's see, I'm going to write and that's it?
22:45No.
22:46We meditate.
22:48Meditation opens the mental channels of the human being.
22:52and there we can receive telepathically.
22:56What is telepathy?
22:57Transmission of thoughts.
22:59There is no language.
23:00They are thoughts.
23:02And can anyone have this experience?
23:04Any human being can have it.
23:07They explicitly tell us in their messages that they want to connect with all of humanity.
23:13But we must take the first step.
23:15In other words, all of humanity can go to university.
23:18And do you have proof?
23:19We have so many.
23:20We have so many.
23:21Let's see.
23:22On one side, these 4,000 people who are witnesses.
23:24On the other hand, we have managed to obtain 6 video recordings.
23:27And we have photos too, right?
23:28We have 2,000 photographs, of which we have brought very few, only 2 or 3.
23:34Here we see an image.
23:36At the bottom you can see the slope of Mount Uritorco in the province of Córdoba.
23:43And what we see is a luminous ship in front of us
23:48which is climbing to the top of the mountain and then descending slightly.
23:55This was a test that was taken at a scheduled meeting of yours.
23:57Someone had a camera and took the picture.
23:59A photograph taken during our meeting.
24:01Is this the same one or is it a different one?
24:03This is another image taken at the same encounter where the craft is now in the sky.
24:10They are luminous ships that move.
24:12And here it is moving in such a way that it generates two right angles.
24:17What is impossible for a meteorite, for an airplane, for a helicopter, for a satellite.
24:24It breaks all known physical laws.
24:27That a light in the sky makes this movement at a very fast speed,
24:34which is the speed at which the lens of a photographic camera opens and closes.
24:38Are you sure this is a UFO?
24:40They are UFOs.
24:43One says unidentified flying objects.
24:45We say even more.
24:47They come to teach us and humanity.
24:51They are cosmic masters who have been on Earth for thousands of years.
24:56Luis Burgos, you have proof, right?
24:58Yes, Anabel.
24:59First of all, I want to clarify that while I respect Francis's opinion,
25:05Unfortunately, in 30 years of investigating the UFO phenomenon from a scientific point of view
25:11We have no proof of the scheduled meetings.
25:14That does not mean that what Francis says is untrue.
25:18Hopefully, through Chechi, we'll have...
25:21But did you ever go to one of his meetings?
25:23He never invited me. I hope he invites me now so I can have access to this.
25:28We do our own kind of research in the field.
25:32He is the typical field investigator who goes to the scene of the crime,
25:36trace the testimonies, trace the physical evidence,
25:40then compares them with other elements, using this technology which fortunately
25:44Today we have it, and 20 or 30 years ago we didn't.
25:47and then we evaluate the possibility that it is the product of a UFO
25:51or perhaps from something natural in the land or from another source.
25:55Luis Burgos brought us these little stones that we are going to see now,
25:58I humbly say "little stones" because the truth is that's where it belongs.
26:01to a technology so superior that we cannot comprehend it.
26:04What is this research about?
26:06Well, these items were specifically collected in Pueblo Achar,
26:09Tacuarembó department in Uruguay,
26:11where a UFO landed in May 1973,
26:16I want to clarify, it descended, it didn't fall, there was no UFO crash here.
26:20But how do you know it descended?
26:22Based on the testimonies of practically half the town
26:25that were visually illuminated that May evening of '73, Anabel.
26:32How many testimonies?
26:33A luminous reddish balloon at a time when it was raining cats and dogs,
26:36descends into the countryside on a Uruguayan ridge,
26:39It leaves a mark, a crater 6 meters in diameter,
26:42With eight 12-meter extensions, it looked like a wheel sitting on the ground.
26:47And these items were collected years later by the local people.
26:51and they gave us 365 grams of the 4 kilos 700 grams they collected from the site.
26:57They were analyzed in different departments of the University of La Plata,
27:01At the Faculty of Engineering, I have the analyses here for anyone who wants to see them.
27:05at the Institute of Applied Geology, at the National Atomic Energy Commission,
27:09And all three analyses were consistent and conclusive.
27:14It is an aluminum alloy, that is, an aluminum compound.
27:19titanium, magnesium, manganese, silicon, etc.
27:23In other words, this is hard aluminum.
27:26At the time, Anabel was used for the covering of space capsules.
27:31when they re-entered the atmosphere.
27:33And you brought photos too, right?
27:34Exactly, exactly. I want to clarify that I have absolutely no doubts.
27:38This is from a UFO.
27:39If there were extraterrestrial beings inside that UFO, so be it.
27:43This is yet another element, physical proof of the UFO phenomenon.
27:46Okay, now let's see the photos that Luis Burgos brought to our program.
27:50This would be a field of experimentation, wouldn't it?
27:53Exactly. Here we discovered...
27:55This year, these are photos from this year, these are the latest landings of phenomena in Argentina.
27:58There were the stones.
27:59No, no, no. This is in Punta Indio, on the Buenos Aires coast.
28:03on the west side, 100 kilometers from Buenos Aires,
28:07where there is practically a virtual runway, Anabel.
28:11We have already counted 25 fingerprints in these last few days
28:15on our regular trips to Punta Indio, Punta Piedras,
28:18San Borombón Bay.
28:19The UFO phenomenon has been declining lately in Punta Indio.
28:23And is it going down very often?
28:25Punta Indio is one of the places, along with Capilla del Monte,
28:29Victoria, Bahía Blanca, Mar del Plata, Bariloche,
28:32where the city presents the most.
28:34Of course, those are precisely the places where we go.
28:38And right there these lights appear in the sky
28:41that respond to our thoughts, our lantern signals.
28:45Does your opinion agree?
28:46We'll take you on the next trip, then.
28:48What do you think?
28:49No, well, I'm going to give my opinion.
28:52That's why I came here, to give the opinion of all believers.
28:57We see it now: Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Baptists,
29:03all religions.
29:05We talked about how God is all-powerful.
29:08So why would we be selfish and say
29:13Are we the only ones in the universe?
29:16And what's more, we are not the only ones, in my opinion, on this planet.
29:23For me, he separated UFOs from extraterrestrials.
29:27Let's assume that UFOs didn't involve extraterrestrials.
29:30But I think that extraterrestrials are really here on Earth
29:38And they want to create a state of consciousness and lead us to reality.
29:44Do you believe they are physically present?
29:46Yeah.
29:47Because?
29:48And how come we don't see them?
29:49Well, it's very simple.
29:51With all the technology they have, they can create artificial skin, etc.
29:59etc., etc.
30:01I mean...
30:02It's not a science fiction movie, is it?
30:04No.
30:05And often reality doesn't surpass science fiction.
30:09Julio Bernet, that is, Julio Bernet,
30:1120,000 Lego submarine adventure sets.
30:14And what a coincidence.
30:15Journey from Earth to the Moon.
30:17Right where the rocket to the Moon launched.
30:20Clear.
30:21To agree with Father Anabel, statistically...
30:24He is with me today.
30:25I am interested in your position, Father.
30:28I truly congratulate you.
30:30To coincide with the father, physically in Argentina we have cataloged 250 close encounters of the third kind.
30:37That is, the observation of the UFO crew member from 1947 to the present day.
30:42Besides, there's another thing: there's a meaning to it.
30:45Today they're ugly because their heads are like that...
30:48The sense of beauty.
30:50We have our own conception.
30:53We need to see the sense of beauty on other planets.
30:57Ah, Artén, I wanted to ask him a question since he has the possibility of contacting us, right?
31:00The cosmic telephone, as we say.
31:01Why don't they just show up here, for example, and say, well, we're aliens, we want to say such and such and make it simpler?
31:06If they wanted to, they could do it.
31:09But certainly the governments of the world are trying to prevent this from spreading and are attacking them, as they have already done openly on some occasions.
31:22Therefore, they cannot demonstrate freely in large cities.
31:26But besides this, there is something that is logical.
31:30Many people would be afraid if a UFO landed on the obelisk.
31:33And I would say, these people are coming to invade us.
31:35And on the other hand, if they are far away, in the city of Buenos Aires we practically don't see the stars.
31:42So we can hardly ever really see them.
31:46In the city of Buenos Aires we are not used to looking up at the sky.
31:51Something we do do in our meetings or when one is in the countryside and admires nature.
31:57Well, thank you for sharing this first program with us.
32:00They are invited to the next programs.
32:02Well, let's not forget what Christ said.
32:05In my father's house there are many rooms.
32:08Well, thank you very much for coming.
32:10Thank you.
32:11We would like to remind you that we have an email address for you to contact us and share your experiences.
32:17Because we know that there are many people who have had experiences, who have their own thoughts.
32:21And that's why he didn't have the opportunity to say it.
32:23Well, now he has it.
32:24Our email address is misteriosdeluniverso@telefe.com
32:29And if not, you can contact us by phone at 4-941-9231.
32:37In our next segment we have the presence of Pedro Romagnuc.
32:42We'll be right back.
32:43We are with a researcher who, in addition to being a UFO researcher, is a parapsychologist, meteorologist, physicist, and also a former aviation pilot.
33:09We're talking about Don Pedro Romagnuc. How are you, Pedro? How are you?
33:13Very well, Ana Bela. Thank you for inviting me.
33:15Pedro, what is the universe?
33:17The universe is something so majestic, so omnipotent, so omnipresent, that we cannot describe it as being made up of thousands of worlds, hundreds of thousands, millions, billions or trillions.
33:31Because NASA officially announced that there are more than 50 billion galaxies.
33:3750 billion galaxies multiplied by 190 billion suns, stars, planets and satellites that any astronomy book cites as making up a galaxy, gives nothing more and nothing less than 9500 trillion, 9500 trillion worlds, suns, stars, planets and satellites.
34:05And we all know that there is hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen, along with amino acids, throughout the universe.
34:13And what are the elements that lead you to believe there may be life elsewhere?
34:18These elements are composed of, for example, minerals, plants, animals and humans, that is, hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, around 20 to 24 amino acids, or there are many more still in the universe.
34:35And under a, we might say, divine law, which is the seed atom of God in his image and likeness, by which reason within our Christ consciousness, of our inner essence, which is ethereal, eternal, immortal, we are created in his likeness.
34:56That is why life is eternal and we are like God, because that life exists throughout the universe, in those 9.5 trillion worlds that are being discussed.
35:07Officially, when the Hubble super telescope began to scan the northern hemisphere, the southern hemisphere and the other hemispheres of the universe, they realized the magnificence and immeasurability of the universe.
35:24Okay, the universe is immeasurable, but what evidence is there of life elsewhere?
35:28Absolutely, because hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, I repeat, along with amino acids, make up life, but biological life.
35:37But why can't they be seen? Why can't they see the beings when they conduct research with the telescope?
35:43What is man like? Biological or energetic?
35:48In both things.
35:49God is energy, Christ is energy, the Virgin Mary is energy, our higher brothers are energy, higher beings are energy.
35:57Because they are all more evolved than us, and we, those who remain of humanity, when the cycle is completed, will also be energetic, as man is in essence.
36:08Man has the spirit, the soul, the extracerebral memory that studies parinesis, the structuring field of form; all other components are energetic.
36:19And as for the biological body, we come from dust and to dust we shall return.
36:24Why? Because when we are formed in the mother's womb, with hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and amino acids, we come from nothing, so to speak, right?
36:35From a seed that is the man's semen and the woman's ovum.
36:40And when the midwife cuts our umbilical cord, we are born, aren't we?
36:45Biological man was born out of nothing.
36:48When we die, God cuts our umbilical cord and we truly return to our energetic body, but man does not disappear, we continue to live.
36:57That's fine, but if there is life elsewhere, does this life have a tangible body like ours?
37:02When they want to, yes, because they have as great a command of their abilities as the new man will have.
37:09which is already happening in the new civilization, and all of this is perfectly described in the Bible,
37:17Human beings will also be energetic and will be able to be biological.
37:21as in other worlds they can acquire in their energetic form or their biological form at their discretion.
37:29So, according to you, they exist in energetic and biological form?
37:32But they only show themselves when they want to.
37:34When they want to.
37:35Because?
37:37And why not? What would be the problem with them not being seen?
37:40Because it transgresses a law that is universal: free will.
37:43Man must understand, through his own evolution, that he must love other human beings as he would like to be loved himself, yes or no?
37:53How to love God and how God loves all his children.
37:57Do you mean that because they see we don't love each other, they don't let us see each other?
38:02Anabella, can I answer in a slightly violent way?
38:05Where else is there an animal that destroys its home, like man?
38:10Why did man manufacture 175,000 atomic bombs capable of destroying the planet Earth 2,000 times over?
38:18Where is there a man who destroys the ozone layer with an atomic explosion and other elements?
38:24Where is there a man who, with an atomic explosion, decreased the oxygen, increased the temperature,
38:29Did much of the ice at the South Pole of Antarctica melt, etc., etc.?
38:34Why are all sea levels rising today?
38:37It is man, the same man, who has not improved himself, has not evolved, has not grown,
38:43He has not awakened to that awareness of God and is destroying his house.
38:48We don't see that today the planet is a miserable planet because of all the imbalances that have occurred in the atmosphere
38:55They were caused by man, by us, human beings.
38:59But the planet still has a reproductive cycle, so I think humans have accelerated this process a bit.
39:06What happened to the dinosaurs then?
39:08I would say that God accelerated it because, excuse me for bringing this up, the sun takes 2,155 years to orbit the solar system, doesn't it?
39:1712 solar years, 12 solar years, is an Earth evolutionary cycle in which, as the Bible says,
39:24You will have new heavens and new earth in your world.
39:29In what dimension is the polar axis at this moment?
39:32According to Dr. Emil Cepic, former director of the Washington Symological Center, many years ago, he died.
39:40And he said, the wobble of the Earth's vertical axis has increased markedly.
39:44There comes a time when the Earth flips over, yes or no?
39:48We had irrefutable scientific proof in 1955, when they met at the South Pole and the North Pole,
39:58Look at the figure we give, millions of animals with green grass in their mouths, noses and stomachs.
40:03This means that there were forests there, there was jungle capable of feeding those millions of animals.
40:09Does that mean the pole was a tropic, yes or no?
40:13It is a terrestrial cycle prior to what we call the flood.
40:18And in some earlier cycles there were dinosaurs, precious dinosaurs,
40:23as we are talking today about a planet called Ercóbulus,
40:27where life will also begin in its incipient form,
40:31and it is also in the Bible called Wormwood.
40:34Wormwood, Ercobulus or Barnard II are all the same.
40:37And what is happening now? Because we are at the end of a century, the end of a millennium.
40:40No, it's not the end of an era, quite the opposite.
40:42The end of the Earth will never come.
40:46The end of humanity is not yet here, but a cycle is being completed, as it is written in the Bible.
40:50And when would that be?
40:51A thousand, God knows.
40:53God will come like a thief in the night, but the day and the hour, only He and no one else knows.
40:59And there will be a thousand years of love, kindness, and respect under the reign of the new Messiah,
41:03which was announced on April 2, 1996 by Father Harold, sorry, Pope Harold Bostila,
41:14that before the year 2000, Christ Jesus will be incarnated for the third time on Earth.
41:20They read it, it's in every newspaper in the world.
41:23I repeat, April 2nd, 1998, 1996, sorry.
41:29April 2nd? So he's already been born.
41:31Sorry, December 2nd, forgiven, sorry.
41:34The news broke on December 2, 1996, in newspapers all over the world.
41:41But it means that Jesus has already been born, but what he's saying is very strong.
41:45It's very strong. All the newspapers are there, do you want me to bring the newspapers?
41:48No, no, it's fine, we think.
41:49Clarín, December 2, 1996.
41:53There is the Holy Father when he gives the news that shook the foundations of the whole world.
41:59He speaks of Christ appearing in physical body, but it's in the Bible.
42:04You will have a thousand years of love, kindness, and respect under the reign of the new Messiah.
42:08Okay, he's coming, let's suppose he's coming, what happens?
42:11It leads to what.
42:11A new cycle begins, a new cycle begins.
42:14Okay, but why, for example, the Kosovo War?
42:17What does the Bible say?
42:18Only the meek and humble will belong to the kingdom of heaven.
42:22It will not bring beings who are dominated by egocentrism, by vanity,
42:27The beings that kill, that rape, that destroy, the corrupt beings.
42:31He takes his meek and humble children who will belong to the kingdom of heaven.
42:36It's all written in the Bible.
42:38And how? Does he take them away, for example?
42:40How are you taking them? How, Ana?
42:42Well, he just hit the nail on the head.
42:44What does he take them with?
42:45What does he take them with?
42:45Which is the heavenly army that we should not speak of today?
42:49By which NASA officially, through the Hubble super telescope,
42:55He just took a picture of a 450-kilometer spacecraft orbiting the Earth.
43:01But the UPI news agency, the ANSA news agency...
43:03What do you mean by saying they're taking them to a ship?
43:05They are being taken to the ship.
43:06Yes, it is God's heavenly army.
43:08It's not a flying saucer that appeared from such and such a side.
43:13What does the Aramaic Bible, written 25,800 years ago, say?
43:17Thousands of fireballs descended from the sky and carried thousands of grains of sand.
43:21And when is that going to happen?
43:23Only God knows.
43:24Nobody else.
43:25And what is the new Jerusalem?
43:26Only God knows, because He said,
43:29No saint in heaven, no man on Earth will know the day and hour of my arrival.
43:34It's clear, read the Bible, everything is there.
43:36Yes, well, but if we don't know when it's going to happen, then it will happen today or in 2,000 years.
43:40Because one must act out of personal conviction, one must act out of personal evolution,
43:46We must love human beings as they would like to be loved.
43:50Those six words hold the great secret of the community of life.
43:57Love one another as I have loved you.
44:01And how do you carry out a purification here, or say, well, the chaff separates from the wheat?
44:04Growing, evolving, growing.
44:07Why did Christ Jesus give us the 10 commandments and allow himself to be crucified on the cross?
44:12He who healed the sick, made the paralyzed walk, and raised the dead.
44:17If he had lifted a finger, they wouldn't have crucified him.
44:19Why did he allow himself to be crucified?
44:22To help human beings understand.
44:24Whatever happens, whatever may come to pass.
44:27Each of us has the day, the hour, and the minute when we will return to our true life to give an account.
44:38And I experienced it twice.
44:39I ask you please.
44:41Nobody is obligated to believe.
44:43I experienced it twice.
44:44We're not going to die a minute sooner or a minute later.
44:47But when we get to that yellowish-green tunnel, there are 24 elderly people.
44:54They read in our bioplasmic energy, in our biodynamic energy, in our vibrational energy,
45:01every act, every thought, every corruption, every death, every thought of hate or love that we have imparted.
45:12And that is what forms the flow of evolutionary levels of each one.
45:16That is why the Bible says, only the meek and humble will be of the new kingdom of heaven.
45:23In your world, you will have new heavens and new earth.
45:26Well, thank you very much for coming.
45:27It's always a pleasure to talk to Pedro Romagnuc, truly a patriarch of UFOs in Argentina.
45:33We'll be right back.
45:42Okay, we've reached the end of our first program.
45:53I think it's been an interesting program.
45:55We will continue to analyze the UFO phenomenon with researchers, with scientists, and also with you.
46:01who can contribute their ideas and questions.
46:03Because the fundamental objective of this program is to find answers to all those questions that arise when one wants to know about the mysteries of the universe.
46:13In the next program, next Sunday, we're going to talk about the Roswell case.
46:17You will know, because it has been talked about everywhere, the Roswell case is a specific case of an extraterrestrial spacecraft that crashed into Earth on July 2, 1947.
46:26The Roswell case has been discussed for almost 52 years, and many things have been said, some true, some not so true, but much has also been hidden.
46:36For example, it was never stated where that ship came from, where those beings came from, and what their intentions were.
46:43We'll find out all this in the next episode here on Mysteries of the Universe.
46:47Bye, I'll be waiting for you.
46:56Thanks for watching the video.
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