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- Programa: Investigaciones Telefe - Misterios del Universo.
- Conducción: Anabela Ascar (antes de su etapa en Crónica TV).
- Fecha de emisión: Finales de 1999 (Sábados, horario de trasnoche).
- Temática central: El fenómeno de las abducciones extraterrestres y evidencia de implantes.
1. Caso Testigo: Mónica Pérez (Huerta Grande, Córdoba)
El bloque central se enfocó en la experiencia de Mónica Pérez, ocurrida el 9 de septiembre de 1986. Según su relato:
- Fue interceptada por una luz intensa mientras conducía o se encontraba en las cercanías de su domicilio.
- Describió un "tiempo perdido" (missing time) y recuerdos recuperados de estar dentro de una estructura con seres no humanos.
- Relató procedimientos médicos invasivos realizados por estos seres.
2. Evidencia Médica y Científica
El Dr. Eduardo Brovelli, médico personal de la víctima, presentó un análisis clínico sin precedentes en la TV abierta:
- Radiografías: Se mostraron placas craneales de Mónica donde se observaba un objeto radio-opaco (metálico o denso) de origen desconocido.
- Localización: El objeto estaba situado en una zona profunda del cráneo, inaccesible mediante cirugía convencional de la época sin riesgo de daño neurológico.
- Dictamen: Brovelli sostuvo que no había registro de una intervención quirúrgica previa que justificara la presencia de dicho artefacto.
3. Mesa de Debate y Análisis
El programa reunió a referentes del ámbito ufológico para confrontar la evidencia:
- Héctor Picco: Defendió la hipótesis de la intervención biológica extraterrestre, citando casos similares en la bibliografía internacional.
- Rubén Morales: Aportó el contrapunto desde la psicología social. Analizó cómo estos eventos afectan la psiquis del testigo y el estigma social que conlleva denunciar una abducción.
4. Conclusión del Episodio
El programa cerró con una reflexión de Anabela Ascar sobre la delgada línea entre la ciencia médica y lo desconocido, dejando abierta la pregunta sobre la finalidad de estos supuestos implantes en seres humanos.
- Conducción: Anabela Ascar (antes de su etapa en Crónica TV).
- Fecha de emisión: Finales de 1999 (Sábados, horario de trasnoche).
- Temática central: El fenómeno de las abducciones extraterrestres y evidencia de implantes.
1. Caso Testigo: Mónica Pérez (Huerta Grande, Córdoba)
El bloque central se enfocó en la experiencia de Mónica Pérez, ocurrida el 9 de septiembre de 1986. Según su relato:
- Fue interceptada por una luz intensa mientras conducía o se encontraba en las cercanías de su domicilio.
- Describió un "tiempo perdido" (missing time) y recuerdos recuperados de estar dentro de una estructura con seres no humanos.
- Relató procedimientos médicos invasivos realizados por estos seres.
2. Evidencia Médica y Científica
El Dr. Eduardo Brovelli, médico personal de la víctima, presentó un análisis clínico sin precedentes en la TV abierta:
- Radiografías: Se mostraron placas craneales de Mónica donde se observaba un objeto radio-opaco (metálico o denso) de origen desconocido.
- Localización: El objeto estaba situado en una zona profunda del cráneo, inaccesible mediante cirugía convencional de la época sin riesgo de daño neurológico.
- Dictamen: Brovelli sostuvo que no había registro de una intervención quirúrgica previa que justificara la presencia de dicho artefacto.
3. Mesa de Debate y Análisis
El programa reunió a referentes del ámbito ufológico para confrontar la evidencia:
- Héctor Picco: Defendió la hipótesis de la intervención biológica extraterrestre, citando casos similares en la bibliografía internacional.
- Rubén Morales: Aportó el contrapunto desde la psicología social. Analizó cómo estos eventos afectan la psiquis del testigo y el estigma social que conlleva denunciar una abducción.
4. Conclusión del Episodio
El programa cerró con una reflexión de Anabela Ascar sobre la delgada línea entre la ciencia médica y lo desconocido, dejando abierta la pregunta sobre la finalidad de estos supuestos implantes en seres humanos.
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00:07Good evening everyone! Today we're going to talk about abductions.
00:11But what are abductions?
00:13Specifically, it is an abduction carried out by beings from other planets.
00:18The truth is that this has been reported all over the world.
00:23Many people said they had been taken by beings from other places to other planets, in a spaceship of course.
00:28But there is no scientific evidence.
00:31However, the subject is so fascinating that even Steven Spielberg recently decided to make a film about it.
00:38Shaken llama.
00:39I don't know how they're going to translate it in our country, but it's a miniseries that's going to be adapted in
00:43cape in the United States.
00:44It will be shown on television channels, initially American ones.
00:47And the story recounts the 50 most important abduction cases that Spielberg himself compiled.
00:53And the truth is also that what nobody publicly knows is that Spielberg himself had extraterrestrial contact
01:00What motivated him to make this fantastic movie E.T.
01:04Okay, let's go back to our country. In our country there are also many cases of abductions, but people are afraid of
01:08talk.
01:09People are afraid of being judged, that's the social burden, isn't that right?
01:13Because it's not easy to face a camera publicly and tell what happened, especially with something that
01:19It cannot be scientifically proven.
01:21The truth is that in our country there are two very important cases.
01:24One is Mr. Julio Plattner from the province of La Pampa.
01:27The event occurred on August 9, 1986.
01:30And the other case occurred in 1983 in Huerta Grande, in the province of Córdoba.
01:35And it happened to Mrs. Monica Perez, who we have on our program today.
01:39Now, the titles.
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02:37We're with Mónica Pérez. How are you, Mónica? How are you?
02:39How are you? Good.
02:40Can you tell us what happened to you?
02:42Well, in 1986 I had a physical contact, where I was taken by extraterrestrials.
02:52I was at a family's house in Huerta Grande.
02:56Well, we had just come from a day of camping, from seeing things.
03:03I'll try to summarize it for you a little bit, okay?
03:06Well, we ate lunch, we had dinner, we were all fine, and then my friend's husband, for no apparent reason, went outside, didn't he?
03:23Is that true?, leaving the house.
03:24And then she started yelling and called me, like, Monica, Monica, come here.
03:28Then we all went outside and saw a huge ship.
03:33And how many people were there?
03:35There were about seven of us.
03:38And for how long were they able to see the ship?
03:40And approximately two hours, because they started doing a kind of light show, they were getting closer.
03:46No, they weren't allowed to take photos.
03:47So, no, at that moment it's like you're so caught off guard, it just goes and, well, you
03:54You stand there in awe, staring.
03:57Didn't you feel afraid?
03:58No, not at that time.
04:01So what happened?
04:02Well, after seeing all that, we're going to sleep.
04:07In other words, everyone will sort it out for themselves.
04:08And were they able to sleep?
04:09Because, my God, if I ever see that, I won't sleep.
04:12No, yes, yes, we were tired, we were tired.
04:16Well, I always have the habit of smoking a cigarette, you know, when I go to bed.
04:22And I was smoking a cigarette and suddenly I saw two enormous lights coming from the kitchen side that
04:31They were starting to approach the part of the dining room where I was.
04:35At that moment, I unconsciously said, no, those lights must be from the road, to protect myself mentally, right?
04:45Then, when I saw that they were getting bigger and bigger and getting closer and closer to where I was,
04:52I said, well, if they're going to take me, I don't want to remember anything.
04:58And I automatically put the blanket down like that and I don't remember anything else.
05:02But did you know they were extraterrestrials, or could they be lights, or could they be stars?
05:07No, no, I knew it was them because I had contact, I already had contact with them.
05:14How? How can I contact you?
05:15Telepathic.
05:16And when did the contacts begin?
05:18At the end of 1984.
05:20So, this didn't take you by surprise, you were already preparing for it.
05:24No, I was surprised by the fact that they were going to physically take me away.
05:28That wasn't in my mind, nor was I prepared for it.
05:32Okay, so where did they take you?
05:34To the ship. I can't tell you if they took me from the ship and I traveled, no.
05:40But you were in Huerta Grande.
05:42In a family's house.
05:43In a family home, fine.
05:45Yeah.
05:45Let's look at the map to physically locate ourselves in order to analyze this case.
05:50You were in Huerta Grande and near the foothills, weren't you?
05:54You were in Huerta Grande and they transported you... where to?
05:59Up to the Cerro de los Mogotes.
06:01Up to the Cerro de los Mogotes.
06:02Yeah.
06:03And what happened there?
06:05And well, what I can tell you now is what I discover later, because I don't discover it myself.
06:12the next day.
06:13The next day when I woke up, I had slept, I don't remember anything.
06:18But when they take you, are you aware that they're taking you to a spaceship?
06:21No.
06:21No, no. I become aware of it after about a month.
06:26So you went to sleep and nothing had happened to you.
06:29Absolutely nothing. I slept, I rested, I saw the lights.
06:33Did you go to sleep?
06:33I went to sleep.
06:34Okay, so what happened the next month?
06:36A month later, I was washing my hair and noticed two things, two bumps, here and here.
06:47I got scared, I cried, I wrapped my head in a towel and automatically called my doctor.
06:53And he told me, well, I've finished drying your head thoroughly and I'll wait for you at the office.
06:59AND?
07:00And well, he realized that I was under the effect of shock, he started talking to me, he started calming me down.
07:08And that's when I loosened up and started talking to him and realized that something had happened.
07:15And what do you remember? What exactly happened to you? What did they do to you?
07:19What did they do to me?
07:22What I remember is this: I climbed a metal platform to a spaceship accompanied by two extraterrestrials,
07:31One from here, another from here, and I see that I am lying on a stretcher.
07:35And what were they like?
07:36Tall, two meters, two meters twenty, blond, athletic, wearing a jumpsuit, red, vermelho, burgundy.
07:49And were you afraid?
07:52At that moment, I don't know, supposedly I would have it or I wouldn't have it, because I have no consciousness.
07:58I mean, I'm telling you this because I'm remembering it.
08:02Well, and you remember the stretcher.
08:04I remember the stretcher and then, well, I realize I'm naked because I'm covered with a kind of...
08:10sheet up to here.
08:11Did they take your clothes off?
08:12Yes, yes, apparently so, because I could see my torso, this part, with nothing on.
08:20Then I saw that she had her hair pulled back, her head in this position, and a huge spotlight.
08:29Like a room, like an operating room, a surgery room.
08:31And how many people, how many beings would there be there?
08:34Two or more?
08:35From what I saw, there were about four.
08:37Four?
08:37And they didn't put any cannula in you, nothing?
08:40No, one of them, when I did that, told me to relax, that it wasn't going to hurt.
08:47nothing.
08:48And then another one of them automatically approached, and I saw how, I can't tell you if it was with a device,
08:56With a scalpel, with what, because I didn't see it.
08:59But all I know is that they open like this, this part here is moved back.
09:05Oh, they cracked your skull open!
09:06Yeah.
09:07But they didn't pay you any attention?
09:09No.
09:11No.
09:12I automatically left because I didn't want to remember any more.
09:15It was very traumatic for me.
09:19AND?
09:21And well, that's where things ended up.
09:25And then, talking with my doctor, well, that's when he decided to start doing some tests to see
09:33What had really happened?
09:36And how did you feel emotionally?
09:38How did I feel?
09:40How did I feel?
09:40And very badly.
09:42That's really bad because, well, nobody told me, I mean, nobody asked my permission.
09:48I'll take you.
09:50Clear.
09:51Do you want me to take you?
09:52No.
09:53This is the difference with contact, isn't it?
09:55It seems that during contact they ask for permission and the contacted person accepts or rejects it.
09:59No, they don't ask for permission in the contact either.
10:02Because they get into your mind and you don't understand anything.
10:06You feel a hardening in your body and you hear someone talking to you.
10:11And do you keep in touch with them now?
10:13Yeah.
10:15Yeah.
10:16How do you feel? Did this happen to you to create a connection between them and us?
10:20It's possible, yes.
10:22Did they give you any homework?
10:24No.
10:24No, no task, no message.
10:27If I were to give you a message, this is what I was taught.
10:32They taught me so many things.
10:34And what would their purpose be?
10:39Don't know.
10:40At what level is the purpose?
10:42So, why? Why did this happen to you?
10:45Why did this happen to me?
10:49I can speak with complete confidence.
10:52Yeah.
10:52The words they said were the following.
10:55That I was going to be living proof that telepathic contact exists and everything they do.
11:05I am proof of their existence and what they can do.
11:10Well, you're going to stay with us, of course, for the whole program.
11:13We have much more.
11:14In the next segment we're going to talk to Monica's family doctor.
11:17We pause.
11:18We'll be right back.
11:40We are now with the personal doctor of Mónica Pérez, the abductee.
11:45The doctor is Dr. Eduardo Probelli.
11:48Good afternoon.
11:49How are you?
11:49Thanks for coming, huh?
11:50On the contrary.
11:51How long have you known her, Monica?
11:54Something like 20, 20 and a bit years.
11:57At least 20 years.
11:58He knew her before this happened to him.
12:02Yeah.
12:03And how did he find out?
12:06She was my patient through her social services.
12:09She was taking care of her.
12:10He wasn't someone who came to the doctor very often.
12:15And I found out much later about the reality of what had happened.
12:22Because she is a person who doesn't talk much, and I am a person who doesn't ask many questions.
12:29Then I listen to what he tells me.
12:31So when I examined her, I gave my opinions, until one day she told me what the story was.
12:39Then I tried to undo all my queries.
12:41Why was he consulting him?
12:44No, the first time he consulted, it was about his head.
12:50He said he had two mounds on his head.
12:54And well, I take it a bit as a joke during the first consultation.
12:57Because the head doesn't grow.
12:59She introduced herself and said, "I have two promontories."
13:01I feel this way, I woke up with this feeling, etc., etc.
13:05Well, at that moment I wasn't so worried about seeing that, but about seeing her condition.
13:10Emotional?
13:11Of course, how was she emotionally, whether she was nervous or not, what state was she in?
13:17If I remember it now, I remember it now listening to her story.
13:23Oh, right, I thought to myself, that's how it was.
13:30At that moment it caught my attention, because the doctor has a scientific basis and it's curious, he always calls
13:36the attention, which is not normal.
13:39His way of acting, his way of speaking, when one speaks or expresses oneself or moves, he makes a series
13:48of movements created at that moment.
13:51It's not like driving a car, which is a completely reflexive action.
13:55At the time, it seemed to me that his movements and his performance were reflexive; he wasn't creating new attitudes.
14:03That position caught my attention, but I didn't understand it.
14:07Then I analyzed things, what the state was.
14:10But he had a headache, for example.
14:11Yes, his head was bothering him, etc., etc.
14:15So my only solution is to say, well, let's take a plate, an X-ray.
14:19What's happening?
14:20It would never occur to me to think that it's growing.
14:23No, of course not, but she presents herself with this situation and what does he say? Did I fall or...?
14:27No, no, no, it bothered him, no, no.
14:29What was bothering him?
14:29Yes, yes, that's very... taciturn.
14:32But didn't you ask her? What happened? Did you fall?
14:35Yes, but if I ask an adult and they say no, if this upsets them, that's enough.
14:38If he didn't tell me, the person who goes to the doctor tells him everything.
14:40Well, then they made some plates.
14:42We took some x-rays, we saw those plates, and how could it be that when I saw those plates...?
14:50You think the following, if you show me a license plate now, I look at it from a different point of view, much
14:55more objective than back then.
14:57If you come to my office and I take an x-ray, what am I going to look at?
15:01Everyday, normal things.
15:04I wouldn't think of looking for anything strange.
15:08Alright?
15:08Yeah.
15:08So at that time it seems I made some comments, because many years later a magazine brought me,
15:16He said, "Do you see this magazine?"
15:18Oh, that's you.
15:19Do you see that comment? It's the one you made about the plaque.
15:23Okay, let's look at the X-ray, because the doctor brought us the X-ray.
15:26This is not a license plate.
15:27Ah.
15:27That's a license plate, I'm talking about 10, 12 years ago, okay?
15:31Yeah.
15:31So they made new plates.
15:34Okay, let's see what...
15:36Let's see...
15:37There it is.
15:40Let's see if you can tell us...
15:41No.
15:42Where is the difference from a normal skull?
15:44On this plate, on this plate, of course, on this plate, what I notice that's different is this thickness, right?
15:54it's true?
15:55That one could talk about the impact of the x-ray.
15:58I see it mostly in profile, because we're looking at what's called the Turkish sella, which is in a good position.
16:03It catches my attention, I don't know why.
16:06Is this not normal?
16:07No, it's not common.
16:10I would look at that plaque and try to figure out why that's there.
16:13You look, ah, maybe...
16:14No, scalp, no.
16:15This is a bone image.
16:18If you see all bone, you see the same tone.
16:22It isn't true?
16:22And what would be considered normal?
16:25No.
16:26I see everything as thick.
16:29I always talk about bone, because you notice that these bones have the same transparency.
16:35It isn't true?
16:36Here we are talking about a negative.
16:38This which is white would be black, the eternal would be white.
16:40We are seeing a negative.
16:41And what else do you notice about him?
16:42And the other striking thing, which I don't interpret, I don't know what it is, just like that, absolutely, is this.
16:48This formation that is here, that we are experiencing a profile.
16:52Uh-huh.
16:53I don't know what it is.
16:55And this is beautiful.
16:57This is dental.
16:59Uh-huh.
17:00It is not a useful point of reference.
17:01This is metal.
17:02This is metal.
17:03Then suddenly it's useless.
17:04This is metal, this is bone.
17:06We can compare...
17:07That.
17:08So I would say that I don't see a metallic aspect to it, thanks to this.
17:13Otherwise, I would have to compare it at that point.
17:15It gives me more of a bone-level sensation.
17:18In other words, this wouldn't exist in a normal person.
17:21No.
17:22And what could it be?
17:24I don't know.
17:24An implant?
17:25I don't know.
17:28Cartilage?
17:29In other words, it's not metal.
17:29I don't know.
17:30If I knew, I would...
17:31But what do you sense?
17:32If it's not metal.
17:33No, that's what I tell him, I don't know.
17:34And how many times in consultations do x-rays appear and I look for another colleague and say,
17:37Listen to me, what is this?
17:39Such a thing.
17:39Ah, you're right.
17:41And you didn't have demonic plaques before this happened to you, did you?
17:44And what for?
17:45No, I mean, because sometimes people consult...
17:47No, my answer is correct.
17:49Why bother if I wasn't studying it, I didn't know what was happening, I didn't know anything?
17:53No, of course not.
17:54But sometimes you can get a check-up and the plates are still there.
17:56No, no, because the patient takes them.
17:58If you were to tell me now, 'Oh, how lovely, let's see if I can get a picture of it,' we'd get started.
18:01Look, I'm comparing this plate with this one, I'm comparing it with the other one.
18:03The best way to find out the differences is to compare X-ray plates.
18:07But I don't know what it's about,
18:10What interest do I have if you come to my office, keep your x-ray film,
18:13And then, two or three years later, do I get the other one?
18:14Alright.
18:15And what am I looking for?
18:16And when you see this, don't you consult or discuss it with other doctors?
18:20No, I would correlate it clinically, what's happening, what's going on.
18:24And if afterwards I can't find a correlation with what he explains to me, with what I see,
18:28Yes, from another school, listen to me, what is this? What do you see?
18:31But this normal, let's say, is not common.
18:33It's not common, there it is, I like that more.
18:35Clear.
18:35I like it better, it's not common.
18:36It's not common.
18:36Which is different from...
18:37You never saw it.
18:38No, it caught my attention.
18:40And in what area would it be located? Because we see it from the side.
18:43This?
18:44Yeah.
18:44And it would be behind his nose.
18:49Behind his nose?
18:51This is the nasal part and the back part.
18:56Okay, let's continue talking about the case of Mónica Pérez, which is of course very interesting.
19:00Before we go to commercial break, we remind you of our email address: misteriosdeluniverso@telefe.com. If you don't receive it, please call us.
19:09by phone at 4999-1155.
19:14We are interested in your opinion and also your experiences, because we know that there are many people who have gone through similar things.
19:20because of that, and he doesn't feel comfortable speaking.
19:22Take advantage of the fact that this is the first time a pluralistic program has been broadcast on Argentine Open Television about the
19:28topics related to UFOs.
19:30The break, we'll be right back.
19:51We continue in Mysteries of the Universe analyzing the specific case of Mónica Pérez, who was abducted in the province of Córdoba.
19:59I want to correct myself, because at the beginning of the program I said it was in '83, it was actually
20:03September 9, 1986.
20:07Well, two UFO researchers joined this meeting.
20:11On one hand, Héctor Antonio Pico, author of The Hollow Earth and the Men in Black, a very
20:16recognized in our country.
20:18And Rubén Morales, on the other hand, is also joining this table.
20:22Rubén is a social psychologist and also a researcher of the UFO phenomenon.
20:27And of course, we continue with Monica and the personal doctor.
20:30Monica, how are you feeling?
20:32Good.
20:33Okay? Are you comfortable?
20:34Yes, I'm comfortable, yes.
20:35Because it must be terrible. Is this the first time you've spoken?
20:38Yeah.
20:40What do you think? Have you known her, Monica, for a long time?
20:42I met Monica in February 1990, although there were references to extraordinary things she had done in relation to
20:49I learned about the UFOs and their name in March 1985.
20:54I met Monica in February 1990 at a conference I gave in Mar del Plata, right?
21:02And then I visit her and that's where the investigation begins.
21:07She told stories that were hard to believe, didn't she?
21:10An investigation begins that lasts about two years.
21:12One day at a conference I gave in Futurama, in the rural area, I met a doctor.
21:18Well, I was looking for a doctor who could try to interpret what she said was in the x-ray.
21:23I know a doctor, the deputy director of a hospital in Greater Buenos Aires, and I'm asking him to come to my house, that
21:29I'm going to show you some x-rays.
21:31I won't tell you who it is or what it's for.
21:33Then, one of the many events surrounding the very rare, extraordinary universe of Mónica Pérez takes place.
21:42Monica arrives with her husband in the car, the doctor arrives, they park, they both open the door at the same time,
21:49That's a doctor and Monica.
21:51The two of them walk side by side, without knowing each other, until they reach my house.
21:55They both turn and go to put their finger on the doorbell almost at the same time.
21:59The doctor, out of courtesy, because he is in the presence of a lady, removes his finger, then puts on Monica's.
22:04And there I show you an x-ray.
22:07This doctor looks and says, this lady must have a lot of headaches.
22:13I look at Monica.
22:14And we signal to each other, as if to say, my head hurts, like everyone else's.
22:19In the second X-ray, the doctor looks at her and says, this lady, this person, because I hadn't even mentioned her
22:25even whose it was, has suffered a skull fracture.
22:28So, at that moment I know that I am facing a unique case of abduction in the world.
22:34But it's not unique.
22:36No, it's unique because of its characteristics.
22:38But it's not unique.
22:38No, no, no. Unique in the world for its characteristics.
22:40And then, from that moment on, I stop being the investigator and try to understand her, Monica, right?
22:46A housewife, with her everyday problems, cooking for her children, is now getting married.
22:51daughter, worried about that issue.
22:53This one, taking care of the house.
22:55And I tried to understand her from all that surrounds her, which is truly fantastic.
22:59In addition, I'm investigating the contacts she has scheduled.
23:04All without much public display or anything.
23:07Ethically, the case strikes me as extraordinary.
23:10She's not looking for a group of followers; at most, she has a couple of friends.
23:16He doesn't bring people together to manipulate them or to make a good profit,
23:22but simply that he lives his life with great humility and a strong work ethic.
23:27So, I counted seven out of the eight contacts she called.
23:34Rubén Morales is a social psychologist.
23:36How do you see this case?
23:38Well, this case is one of many that have occurred around the world.
23:44These are cases; in my opinion, I am a ufologist and also a social psychologist.
23:50which gives me a certain advantage over other ufologists,
23:54because I don't need to prove the physical reality of the things that happen.
23:59From a psychosocial point of view, the UFO phenomenon and these types of events are a reality.
24:06They are a psychic reality in the sense of what Jung said.
24:11In fact, we operate with a series of codes that always depend on a psychic reality.
24:19In other words, we brake when there is a red light, not because there is a physical reason to do so.
24:24It is an entirely psychological motivation in which humans, or a certain group of humans, agreed to
24:31that's how it should be done.
24:32But, for you, did the event actually happen, or is it just your imagination?
24:36That type of phenomenon, even from the point of view of...
24:40I listened to Monica when she spoke.
24:43It is difficult to determine whether it is a physical reality,
24:46to speak specifically of extraterrestrial ships that physically abduct beings.
24:52Even those who make contact with beings are not so convinced that they have beings that are so tangible.
25:00Well, but I propose that, since Monica's case is not the only case in the whole world,
25:05These things are told.
25:06We're going to see a report on contacts around the world.
25:11The fundamental argument is that in space there is no other form of intelligent life other than that on Earth.
25:18This is the unchanging position of scientists, military and religious organizations.
25:23In the unlikely event that there were other intelligent species in the universe,
25:27The distances to be traveled in space are so immense
25:30even though the ships reach fantastic speeds,
25:34It would take centuries or millennia for them to reach our planet.
25:38The argument would be valid if that universe were governed solely by the physical laws that man knows.
25:46Yos Adansky, an American of Polish descent,
25:49He was the initiator of the contactee saga.
25:52On November 20, 1952, a little over five years after the Roswell incident,
25:59He came into contact with a supposed Venusian with long hair and an angelic appearance.
26:04The story seems implausible.
26:07and UFO researchers considered him a fabulist.
26:12Her photographs, taken during numerous dates,
26:15They turned out to be too perfect to be authentic.
26:18Those ships, with a dome equipped with windows,
26:22originating from another gigantic one of cylindrical shape,
26:26They seemed excessively staged, almost theatrical.
26:31The messages that Adansky claimed to receive from his extraterrestrial friends turned out to be something similar.
26:37overly concerned about nuclear testing
26:40and the ecological damage that man is causing on Earth.
26:45It seems clear that it was a hoax.
26:47Among other things, because Venus is not a comfortable planet for any living being,
26:54even less so for beings of such a romantic and angelic appearance.
26:58But was it really Adansky who tried to deceive people?
27:02Or was he the victim of a deception and simply relaying what the supposed Venusians ordered him to?
27:09It's not a possibility to dismiss, because in 1954 two English children obtained this blurry photograph
27:18which at first glance resembles those of Adansky,
27:21and whose resemblance is evident in this orthogonal projection made by the engineer Leonard Graham.
27:29This is Edward Meyer, a Swiss contactee, as controversial as Adansky was in his time.
27:36Their contact began on January 28, 1975, at 2:12 p.m.
27:44in the vicinity of the Swiss canton of Suez.
27:47Since that date he has conducted more than 100 interviews, obtaining countless photographs and videos.
27:55The crew members of those ships do not claim to be from our solar system,
28:00but from much further away, from a planet called Erra, in the Trayeta system in the Pleiades.
28:06The message is also more coherent, since they do not intend to indoctrinate us.
28:12but rather that we gradually become accustomed to their presence.
28:18They speak of hyperspace and timeless space,
28:21and they claim that it is possible to travel interstellar distances in a minimum amount of time.
28:26In the documentation obtained by Meyer, the ships disappear from one frame to the next,
28:32coinciding with what many witnesses claim,
28:35which describe the sudden absence of the UFO they were observing,
28:39with an abrupt and inexplicable disappearance.
28:42These are the best films and photographs obtained to date,
28:47and therefore, they are the ones that have been studied the most.
28:50The possibility of tampering has always been a suspicion present among researchers.
28:55who have spoken with him and examined his evidence.
28:59However, even though more than 20 years have passed,
29:02No one has managed to discredit him.
29:04The simplicity of its camera and its 8mm film opens up a huge question mark.
29:10How could a man with one arm fake the shots?
29:15And these aren't superficial pieces of evidence, like this UFO filmed by Meyer,
29:19that remains motionless while the wind stirs the branches of a tree,
29:23or like this other one, which appears behind the branches of a tree,
29:27giving a clear reference to depth and distance.
29:30Or this other one, who at a certain point in his career,
29:34It reflects the sunlight onto its dome.
29:38Meyer's photos have been subjected to every possible investigation
29:43that the technique can contribute.
29:45Meyer is the latest major contactee so far,
29:50But it's just the tip of the iceberg.
29:53New sightings emerge every day,
29:56cases for which science has not found a suitable explanation.
30:01That's why the UFO case remains an enigma.
30:05But the issue raises another question.
30:09Unidentified flying objects,
30:11that roam impurely through the skies of all continents,
30:15Do they belong to other cultures?
30:17To other cosmic systems?
30:19Or are these experimental vehicles put into operation?
30:23by some of the world powers?
30:27Something we saw in the report was the Adamski case,
30:31And it is also important to highlight what happened to Adamski.
30:34Adamski owned a restaurant, he made his living from the restaurant,
30:36At the restaurant I met many people from the United States government,
30:40to whom he told that he was investigating the UFO phenomenon,
30:43who contacted Venusians.
30:45The only thing known about Adamski is that he died in a very...
30:48but very mysterious,
30:49that to this day it has not been possible to find out what happened to George Adamski.
30:53We're taking a break from Mysteries of the Universe, we'll be right back.
31:12We continue to analyze the case of Mónica Pérez,
31:15who claims to have been abducted by extraterrestrials in the province of Córdoba.
31:20Okay, so what are the ships like?
31:22They have a pyramidal shape.
31:25I mean, what I remember is like you seeing a pyramid,
31:29But like that, reclining, not standing, but lying down.
31:37And it consists of more or less three floors.
31:40The top part is the navigation section,
31:44which has a middle part,
31:45and the middle part is the fuselage section,
31:48and the lower part is the machinery section.
31:51It doesn't have wings, does it?
31:53No no.
31:54It's like a perfect pyramid.
31:57Sure, sure.
31:58It's just that instead of seeing the pyramid as you're used to seeing it,
32:01Yes, it looks like that.
32:04Of course, where you were would be a triangular-shaped flying saucer, obviously.
32:08But there's also a cylindrical one, that's what everyone says, right?
32:11Yes, yes, yes, yes.
32:12They have several forms.
32:13Of course, what is known is that terrestrial technology
32:15He is not yet able to build a flying saucer.
32:18Let's look at the next report.
32:21The circular shape of so-called flying saucers
32:24had attacked the German engineers,
32:26and at the end of World War II,
32:29It revealed that, at least on the drawing board,
32:32Flying saucers had been part of Nazi aerial projects.
32:37Probably none of them ever flew.
32:40but they constituted a possibility,
32:42a starting point for placing UFOs within terrestrial technology.
32:47The Americans themselves manufactured two circular prototypes,
32:52the B-173 and the XFSB-1,
32:57destined for the naval force and renamed by the pilots
33:01with the decidedly un-technical name of flying tortillas.
33:05But none of these circular projects
33:08They offered advantages over the design of traditional aircraft.
33:11The same thing happened with the Abro-Abrocal,
33:15a kind of compact helicopter
33:17designed to reach a speed close to 500 kilometers per hour,
33:21but it barely managed to rise a few meters above the test track.
33:26Years later, the English designed the East K-Chill,
33:30whose tests in a hangar at the Royal Aeronautical Centre in Carrington,
33:34Here we show.
33:35It is a scale model.
33:39Had the project been completed,
33:40The ship would have measured 220 meters in diameter.
33:44The British Air Force never reported it
33:47about the conclusions of this experiment.
33:50However, and despite the fact that air navigation
33:53It definitively adopted the aerodynamic designs known to all,
33:57There are those who maintain that,
33:59especially during the Cold War years,
34:01the powers of the West and the East
34:04They took on the most varied forms of flying objects
34:07and of air stations
34:09to spy on the nuclear and space projects of their adversaries.
34:13This could be one of the reasons
34:15through which governmental and military bodies
34:18They usually deny it, with such emphasis,
34:21the existence of flying objects piloted by intelligent beings
34:25that inhabit some other dimension in space.
34:28On the other hand, the experiences carried out
34:31seem to demonstrate that the design of circular ships
34:34It is not one of the technologies that men are most proficient in.
34:40Let's continue talking with Monica Perez.
34:43And what did you think when you were inside the ship?
34:46What did you feel?
34:48My feeling of surprise, of seeing all that I had never seen before.
34:53But have you ever noticed how you feel different when you're on a plane?
34:56Yeah.
34:56Did you have that feeling?
34:58Yes, you feel different, yes.
35:00There's like a change in pressure.
35:01Did you feel that too?
35:03No.
35:04No.
35:05Did you feel like you were flying or not?
35:07No no.
35:08As if I were normal, in my normal habitat.
35:12That's what I felt.
35:13I mean, I could move around without worry.
35:16Peaceful.
35:17Clear.
35:19Ruben.
35:20Yeah.
35:20In all this business of abductions or kidnappings, there is a constant pattern that has been observed in these cases.
35:29over time.
35:30The foundational scene always takes place in an intermediate time, in a moment of transition.
35:38And from there begins the...
35:41Sometimes it happens that you see a fog at first, there is a kind of dizziness.
35:46And then immediately follows the vertical ascent, which can be through a light tube or it can be,
35:53In some cases, via an ordinary vertical ladder.
35:57This is striking, because all of this has a strong dreamlike quality, if you will.
36:02One can't explain why extraterrestrials, who are supposedly so advanced, would have a ladder that should already be...
36:09having been technologically discarded thousands of years ago.
36:13So, once inside, the person always sees themselves in a circular, self-illuminating room,
36:20which is similar to the place where shamans said they ascended in their ascension process to obtain powers.
36:30Anyway, here we have the doctor, who is the most concrete analyst, given that he is dedicated to something scientific.
36:35like medicine.
36:37What changes in attitude did you notice, Monica?
36:39No, the changes happened at that precise moment.
36:45Changes in attitudes, as I mentioned before, programmed changes in attitudes.
36:54Not now...
36:54What strikes me about Monica is that she doesn't have a messianic attitude.
36:58In general, those who have been contacted have this story that they come with a message of love and peace.
37:03Monica, on the other hand, it's like she doesn't...
37:05They haven't told you anything yet.
37:06No, no, no.
37:07Don't you have anything to do with humanity?
37:09No.
37:10Apart from being a witness, no.
37:11My opinion on the matter is that Monica is doing what every alleged contactee should do.
37:16Always investigate yourself.
37:18And I say that in this book, which, if Saint Economy allows...
37:20The UFO woman.
37:22It will be in newsstands next week, if the Economy Ministry allows it.
37:26And that's what's so extraordinary about her.
37:28It never generates such compelling expectations.
37:32Well, I think he acts based on what he felt, right?
37:34Those who say...
37:35I find the testimony very spontaneous.
37:36Of course, those who say they have a message, I suppose, I want to suppose, also do so based on what
37:40that they saw or felt.
37:41We cannot discredit one thing by using another.
37:44We need to listen to everyone.
37:45We must have great respect for experiences.
37:47Of course, we have to listen to everyone.
37:49These are experiences that are very important for each person's life.
37:52She got this one, someone else might have gotten something else.
37:55Definitely.
37:56Yes, in Monica's case, she has always asked for, let's say, a scientific survey.
38:04She is open to scientific scrutiny by anyone who wants to do it seriously and fairly, of course.
38:10Now, one quick question, Monica.
38:11You communicated with them telepathically, didn't you?
38:13Yeah.
38:13How do you see the end of the millennium, the turn of the century?
38:16What's going to happen?
38:18That's the million-dollar question, isn't it?
38:20Clear.
38:21Since we have you here as a contact, please tell us.
38:24According to what they tell me, nothing that people expect is going to happen.
38:29You don't say.
38:30In other words, not Nostradamus' prophecies.
38:34Nostradamus, at that moment, saw something in a time, in a space.
38:41But the future is changeable.
38:44There is no future.
38:45Does the future not exist?
38:46No.
38:46Is nothing written down?
38:48No.
38:49Each one of us creates the future.
38:50And what happened to the prophecies?
38:52Perhaps that's what Nostradamus saw at that time, in that place, of what could happen in
38:58humanity.
39:00But have they given you any hints, say, about what things?
39:04What? What? I didn't hear you.
39:05Clear.
39:06Did they give it to you?
39:06Does that mean we have free will and that each person...
39:10I really ask you, do we truly have free will?
39:13I tell you that it doesn't exist in us.
39:15Oh really?
39:16It exists within us in a way of moving among ourselves.
39:21Because if free will really existed, why didn't they ask me?
39:26Clear.
39:27Why didn't they ask my permission if I agreed to those tests they performed on me?
39:32Nobody asked me anything.
39:34They didn't even ask me, "Are you prepared for telepathic contact?"
39:38No.
39:39Yes, yes, yes, yes.
39:41Well, then some have free will and others don't.
39:43No, in fact, Argentinians were often not asked for permission to change their government.
39:49Okay, okay.
39:49So free will is essentially an expression of desires, I agree with that too.
39:53Okay, so nothing's going to happen.
39:55No, nothing like what people assume.
39:57And what social change are they asking for in order to have more contactees?
40:01Because there are people who would die to have the experience you had.
40:04No.
40:04Didn't they tell you that?
40:06Yes, I've heard of people who are dying to see them, to have them.
40:10She's dying to have that experience.
40:12AND?
40:12I don't know, I'd say don't rush things.
40:16By?
40:19Because don't worry, I don't know how to explain it to you.
40:23But this is very difficult to cope with.
40:27It's very difficult.
40:29What is your conclusion?
40:30My conclusion is that Monica is a kind of, let's say, contactee, what a Spanish magazine calls
40:40The Time Commandos, who are structuring, let's say, a message of a purely sociological, somewhat cryptic nature.
40:46That's why it's sometimes very difficult to understand.
40:50And it has people like Monica as pioneers to touch consciences without creating new religions or anything like that.
40:58similar.
40:59But a different inner strength for a harmony, let's say, that does not exist now, for example.
41:05Okay, but let's get down to specifics.
41:08What changes?
41:09To awaken a little bit of consciousness in human beings.
41:12That's a specific point.
41:13Awakening in what sense?
41:14In every sense of the word.
41:16In other words, we're doing everything wrong.
41:18That he consciously awakens, that he consciously assumes many things, that he is not a mental square.
41:27Do they see us that way?
41:28Yeah.
41:29Do they see us as squares?
41:30Oh really?
41:31And yes, because we are very closed off.
41:33We don't give.
41:34I mean, you see, it was mentioned here, I mean, through a document, that they would take a certain amount of time.
41:41capacity of time, of light years and whatnot.
41:44But all of that is analyzed from the human point of view.
41:49Land.
41:50Land.
41:51Who's up for doing a study from a different perspective?
41:54Well, there isn't one either.
41:56Who are you going to commission to do a study?
41:57There isn't one here.
41:58Are even terrestrial beings among us?
41:59Yes, they are.
42:00Oh really?
42:00Yes, but if you have a slightly more awakened awareness, you can put yourself in the other person's mind.
42:07and to say, no, there has to be another way to travel in time, in space, in dimensions.
42:14There has to be another way.
42:15The problem is that they seem to have trouble getting involved.
42:20Clear.
42:21Out of fear.
42:22There is a case of abduction here in 1956, on the banks of the Río de la Plata, where
42:26The man says they lift him up, take a shortcut, a black hole, and reach the sun in a flash.
42:33But a scientist named Joan Crawford, from the University of London, already says that it is possible.
42:38It simply means that there are beings who have implemented that technology that is here.
42:41Clear.
42:42Well, I thank you, Monica, mainly for coming.
42:45It's very interesting that an abductee actually has the courage to face the camera and
42:52to tell what happened to him.
42:54I also thank Héctor Pico.
42:56Likewise.
42:57To Dr. Brobelli and Rubén Morales for sharing Mysteries of the Universe with us.
43:02We tell them that our email is misteriosdeluniverso@telefe.com and the phone number is 4999-1155.
43:13And please tell us about your experiences; we want to know.
43:17We'll take a break, we'll be right back.
43:39Well, we've had a really exciting program today on the topic of abductions.
43:44It is one of the main topics related to the UFO phenomenon.
43:49And it's no coincidence that Steven Spielberg is now making a movie about abductions.
43:55But speaking specifically about the topic with Monica, just off-camera, she told me that the most important thing in life
44:00It is about not judging or prejudging.
44:03Because in this way one can enter the world of the other and can open one's mind a little.
44:07and without judging, to be able, even if only, to learn other things.
44:10I leave you with this thought and we'll meet again next Sunday here at Mysteries of the Universe.
44:17Bye.
44:40Bye.
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