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El programa "Las unas y los otros", conducido por Mónica Gutiérrez y emitido en julio de 1992, se transmitió originalmente a través de la señal de cable VCC (Video Cable Comunicación) en Argentina.
Detalles de la Emisión (Julio 1992)
- Canal: VCC (Televisión por cable).
- Temática: El episodio se centró en las denominadas "sectas platillistas" o grupos ufológicos con características sectarias, un tema de gran auge mediático en los años 90 en Argentina.
Casos tratados:
- Lineamiento Universal Superior (L.U.S.): Grupo liderado por Valentina de Andrade, envuelto en controversias legales en esa época.
- Giorgio Bongiovanni: Conocido por sus supuestos estigmas y mensajes de "seres de luz".
- Ricardo Gil Lecha: "Médico del espacio" que afirmaba tener contacto con seres extraterrestres.
Panel de Expertos
El programa contó con la participación de miembros del CAIRP (Centro Argentino para la Investigación y Refutación de la Pseudociencia) y especialistas en sectas:
- Alejandro Agostinelli: Periodista especializado en fenómenos anómalos.
- Alejandro Borgo: Periodista y escritor, miembro del CAIRP.
- Enrique Márquez: Investigador de temas esotéricos y pseudociencias.
- José María "Pepe" Bamonde: Representante de la fundación SPES (Servicio para el Esclarecimiento de las Sectas), quien aportó la visión desde la prevención contra grupos coercitivos.
Contexto del Programa
Mónica Gutiérrez condujo "Las unas y los otros" en la señal VCC entre los años 1989 y 2000. El ciclo se destacaba por abordar temas de actualidad, sociedad y fenómenos polémicos con un panel de debate, lo que le valió reconocimientos como el Premio ATVC al mejor programa periodístico en cable.
Detalles de la Emisión (Julio 1992)
- Canal: VCC (Televisión por cable).
- Temática: El episodio se centró en las denominadas "sectas platillistas" o grupos ufológicos con características sectarias, un tema de gran auge mediático en los años 90 en Argentina.
Casos tratados:
- Lineamiento Universal Superior (L.U.S.): Grupo liderado por Valentina de Andrade, envuelto en controversias legales en esa época.
- Giorgio Bongiovanni: Conocido por sus supuestos estigmas y mensajes de "seres de luz".
- Ricardo Gil Lecha: "Médico del espacio" que afirmaba tener contacto con seres extraterrestres.
Panel de Expertos
El programa contó con la participación de miembros del CAIRP (Centro Argentino para la Investigación y Refutación de la Pseudociencia) y especialistas en sectas:
- Alejandro Agostinelli: Periodista especializado en fenómenos anómalos.
- Alejandro Borgo: Periodista y escritor, miembro del CAIRP.
- Enrique Márquez: Investigador de temas esotéricos y pseudociencias.
- José María "Pepe" Bamonde: Representante de la fundación SPES (Servicio para el Esclarecimiento de las Sectas), quien aportó la visión desde la prevención contra grupos coercitivos.
Contexto del Programa
Mónica Gutiérrez condujo "Las unas y los otros" en la señal VCC entre los años 1989 y 2000. El ciclo se destacaba por abordar temas de actualidad, sociedad y fenómenos polémicos con un panel de debate, lo que le valió reconocimientos como el Premio ATVC al mejor programa periodístico en cable.
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00:45Music
01:16Well, the topic, one of the topics of the week, at least one of the most moving topics and
01:21The most chilling thing is the one that has to do with this sect that is being investigated by the justice system in Brazil.
01:27Is it known that the issue already has any ramifications in the Argentine justice system regarding the continuation of the case?
01:33Or is there an arrest warrant issued for our country?
01:35Not yet, the Argentine justice system has not yet ruled on this matter, and the police are obviously not doing anything either.
01:43That is one of the most worrying aspects, because it seems that some other bloody event is bound to occur in
01:51the country so that justice can be served.
01:53Given the history of this sect, dating back 4 or 5 years, we have been investigating it and have already anticipated
02:01the destructive nature.
02:03Now, however, journalistic reports indicate that these people who are being sought, specifically Valentina de Andrade and
02:10José Terucci, his partner,
02:13Reports indicate that they would be in Buenos Aires, in Greater Buenos Aires, at a country house, meaning that
02:18At some point, an arrest warrant will have to be issued.
02:20Yes, this morning we gave a presentation with Alfredo Sileta from the Foundation for the Study of Sects, near IRP and
02:28FAPES, we gave a presentation at the juvenile affairs office,
02:32praying above all for the safety of minors, the children of the followers, higher universal alignment, praying for the
02:40their safety and at the same time so that they can get started and begin a search.
02:45Okay, tell us, FAPES, how long have you been researching this topic?
02:50Also, around 4 or 5 years ago, with the first complaints from parents of those affected to the group.
02:56How long has FAPES existed?
02:58FAPES is the Foundation for the Clarification of Sects.
03:01Service for the Clarification of Sects. It began 3 years ago and is the first institution of its kind in Latin America.
03:08the objective of studying sects,
03:10from all possible professional disciplines, not just the religious one, right?
03:14Sects are often reduced to a religious problem, when they are not only that.
03:20We take psychological, sociological, legal, and educational approaches because we understand that it will be due to multiple factors.
03:27The first investigations regarding higher universal alignment began when we started receiving very concerned parents
03:33because of the abrupt changes in the personalities of their children, who had joined a group that began with conferences
03:41about supposed messages or universal truths that were being transmitted to Mrs. Valentina de Andrade.
03:48How do the first complaints reach you?
03:51Well, mainly from concerned parents because there was what is generally a charge that is frequently made, this type
03:58of groups,
03:59economic exploitation of the members and reduction to slavery, along with an abrupt and radical change in the
04:06personality of the followers.
04:09Were you also...? Well, Alejandro already told us last week that they had information at the CAEP and that they were coming
04:16Following.
04:16Of course, since 1989, also somewhat in conjunction with ASPEZ, with José María, we had been investigating this sect.
04:24Rather than receiving complaints, we focus on trying to find former members who are interested in telling their story.
04:32internal to the group,
04:33What was unknown, the non-public part, because like most sects, they first present a
04:41face,
04:41which they provide through conferences, audiovisuals, and so on, and in later phases, which is where, let's say, the
04:49Followers are already being recruited,
04:50which are in courses; in the case of Valentina's group, it is a course divided into three stages,
05:00where the dependence of the followers gradually increases, with depersonalization and brainwashing techniques.
05:08And well, in the last phase there are those who remain, those who are still, those who are still hooked on the doctrine
05:17of this sect,
05:19who particularly insists on the theme that God is nefarious, that the true God is Suita, the Universal Father
05:26Superior, moreover.
05:27In that final stage, the follower, let's say, has the only option: to get hooked and practically throw themselves into it.
05:38entirely to this group.
05:42To fully commit means to work for the sect, donate money to the sect, and participate in raffles they organize.
05:49In other words, the vast majority of the activities of the followers are aimed at obtaining money and even giving their
05:56own assets.
05:57And what's more, and this is the most worrying thing, the leaders themselves insist that the boys are terrible.
06:07and that their energies are evil and that they must stay away from them.
06:11Have you had any contact with people who belonged to this sect?
06:15Sure, yes, yes, yes.
06:17What kind of testimony have they received?
06:19And the testimonies coincide with what I'm saying, right?
06:24That in general, the former members, when they realized that this had gone too far,
06:32or even witnessed specific, quite dramatic events,
06:37as is the case with Carlos Calvo, who is even the president of Luz,
06:43According to Claudio Rodríguez, a former follower, he gave his one-year-old daughter to a Brazilian couple.
06:51at the insistence of Valentina de Andrade,
06:53That when they witness these kinds of events, abandonments occur, right?
06:58At the same time, this is a sect where it is interesting to note the following:
07:03Valentina de Andrade's sect is not a satanic sect.
07:08It's a UFO cult, it's a saucer cult, like so many others.
07:12The media reduces the issue to a satanic sect.
07:15And we believe this is not correct.
07:18Let's say they do it for sensationalist reasons,
07:21And because it's more appealing, right?
07:22The issue of calling her satanic.
07:23But it is actually a sect that has its origins in Umbanda rituals,
07:29with spiritualism, with the paranormal, parapsychological, UFO theme.
07:33That is why CAIR became interested in investigating it.
07:36We are not interested in investigating all sects,
07:38We are not an organization dedicated to the study of sects.
07:40Yes, we are interested in those that use pseudoscientific language.
07:44a modus operandi with characteristics...
07:47What would a satanic cult be?
07:48What defines the satanic character of a sect?
07:51Well, a satanic sect proper is one that worships Satan.
07:57Within these groups, practices like these, which have now come to light, are common.
08:02of sacrifices, of people.
08:04The problem is that it often gets mixed up in people who don't know much about the topic of sects.
08:08and they assign a classification, let's say, of satanic to other cults
08:13which are not strictly speaking satanic sects,
08:15such as Afro-Brazilian religious practices,
08:16Zumbanda, Quimbanda, Macumba, Candomblé,
08:19who in their rituals also carry out specific cults to an entity that they call Exu
08:24and that is the one that is syncretized with the Christian figure of the devil.
08:28That is, for that reason, even though they carry on, let's say, or perform cults to what could be called the devil,
08:33They are not exactly satanic sects.
08:35And especially not this one, Valentina Andrade, which I agree with Alejandro on, right?
08:38It's a UFO, saucer, contactee sect.
08:40The thing is, Valentina Andrade, before creating the Superior Universal Guideline,
08:45He had extensive involvement in spiritualist and Afro-Brazilian sects,
08:48like the Quimbanda or the Macumba,
08:50And it's possible that it will bring some elements from there, as a consequence, right?
08:54that may be related to satanic cults.
08:57But it is not a satanic sect per se.
08:59Yes, we were reminiscing with the production team.
09:02that last year we received some light material,
09:06of the Higher Universal Guideline,
09:08Next to some printed material, there was a video.
09:10that they proposed we see for the purposes of, well,
09:13to finalize a note, an interview on the program
09:15and dedicate a space.
09:16Well, we found it all too confusing.
09:18as to generate a journalistic fact from it.
09:21Anyway, nothing related to Satanism appeared in this material, right?
09:28Well, the thing is, with this movement here,
09:30At least we at the Foundation are working with two hypotheses.
09:33One of them is that these types of rituals have always existed,
09:38but that it would be reduced to a very small group within the movement,
09:43or what can be inferred from this.
09:45There is no certainty,
09:46Since, as a psychologist, I haven't been able to perform a psychodiagnostic assessment,
09:50Valentina António,
09:50But after reading the book she wrote,
09:53The Truth about God, or God the Great Farce,
09:55The possibility of some profound mental disturbance can be inferred.
09:59Among them, a variety of dementia,
10:01What is schizoid paranoid psychosis?
10:03and which is characterized precisely by having mystical-type delusions,
10:07religious, influential,
10:08This is where the whole UFO phenomenon would come in,
10:10and megalomania,
10:11which is a completely uncontrolled and pathological delusion of power.
10:13What is megalomania?
10:14Megalomania, delusions of power,
10:16but completely out of control and pathological.
10:19Now, if that's the case,
10:21This condition of schizoid-paranoid psychosis must be confirmed.
10:23This same pathology makes the patient's actions unpredictable.
10:27And this, well, can vary according to the delirium from one day to the next.
10:31It could end in a satanic-type ritual like this one,
10:34or becoming a Carmelite nun.
10:36In other words, this is completely unpredictable.
10:38"You're a psychologist," he told me.
10:40Anyway,
10:41This leads us to believe that people with this type of pathology
10:44It has a very strong ability to attract other wills in order to operate, doesn't it?
10:48Well, the high levels of psychopathic, perverse content,
10:51that also surround these pathologies,
10:53This gives them a great capacity to manipulate everything external, doesn't it?
10:57Of people.
10:58Even, well, in this case, that of Valentina de Andrade,
11:01These components also have two key characteristics, right?
11:04From the group, which is, well,
11:06a great hostility towards the god of the three major religions.
11:09The Christian, the Jewish, the Islamic,
11:11whom he classifies as a nefarious person, a hyena, a bastard, a coprophagous person.
11:15And the boys, right?
11:17Especially those born after 1981,
11:19which they say condense all negative energies.
11:21Are there other sects that particularly target children?
11:25What would be the origin of this aversion or persecution?
11:29Especially to little boys, right?
11:31Although there are some almost-teenagers who have disappeared.
11:33Not a perversion like that, let's say, specifically with boys,
11:36Although yes, in certain satanic sects,
11:38Boys are preferably used in rituals.
11:43In the last few hours, news also emerged of the closure of a place where a sect operated.
11:50that animal sacrifices are made.
11:52Are animal and human sacrifices related?
11:55in these types of organizations, in the rituals?
11:58The topic of sacrifices doesn't necessarily have to be related,
12:02But depending on the type of rituals each sect performs,
12:07They generally resort to that type of animal sacrifice,
12:10especially Afro-Brazilian sects or sects of Afro-Brazilian origin,
12:14like the ones Bamonde mentioned here.
12:16But I wanted to bring something up when you asked the question
12:19on the subject of children,
12:21whether they mistreat children perversely or not.
12:24I would say that beyond the physical aspect, beyond the physical aggression,
12:29Sometimes you also have to take the psychological aspect into account.
12:32Because although there are sects or groups or organizations,
12:36however one wishes to name them,
12:38which always border on the pseudoscientific,
12:40which is what we address,
12:42The problems they cause for the children are not taken into account.
12:46being children of parents who are within those organizations,
12:50Because in some way, and that's logical, they're going to have an influence.
12:53There are many testimonies of, I wouldn't say sects,
12:57but from very similar organizations,
12:59within what Alejandro has called "talkative sects,"
13:02who use a common language that is part of what Valentina de Andrade was already using.
13:07And it should also be noted that there was indeed an alarm,
13:12a massive alert in a media outlet,
13:15Alejandro Agostinelli did it,
13:16that the material is even being shown on television today,
13:19about the invaders,
13:21If I remember correctly, the title was
13:23The Invaders Attack.
13:24No, The Invaders.
13:25Or The Invaders.
13:26Where not only Valentina de Andrade is mentioned,
13:30but other personalities who are in similar groups,
13:34perhaps not with these characteristics,
13:36but they have things in common.
13:38The case of Cosmic Bliss,
13:40which is led by Estela Molli's husband,
13:43I say the husband because Estela Molli is very well known,
13:45the case of Pedro Romaniuk, among others,
13:48And well, several more.
13:50So there was an alert.
13:51I say this is a sign
13:54so that we can get down to work on these issues,
13:57because the media is giving these issues a lot of coverage,
14:00with the subject of UFOs,
14:02of parapsychological phenomena and so on.
14:04In general, these are topics that captivate people.
14:07which represent a very special appeal,
14:10everything related to the mysterious.
14:12Sure, look, when you were talking about the topic of
14:18if we had received any testimony from any follower,
14:21or of a former follower,
14:23or that we had been in contact.
14:24I can tell you that we are in contact
14:26every day with potential followers,
14:29to any type of sect or sectarian group.
14:32How do you define a potential follower?
14:34Of course, that is to say, there is a so-called risk group.
14:37For example, with the bombardment that is done through television
14:41and the newspapers and magazines,
14:43of parapsychologists who heal,
14:45of psychics who can detect psychological health problems,
14:50of people who link UFOs with,
14:54and then they present themselves as parapsychologists,
14:56That is, covering a wide range,
14:59They carry that message.
15:00And if I believe that message,
15:03as if unprepared, because I have no information,
15:06In other words, they tell me there is life after death.
15:08and it is scientifically proven,
15:10that the aura exists,
15:12through energetic vibrations
15:15Can you solve a health problem for me?
15:18like cancer, for example,
15:19Why wouldn't I believe a person?
15:21who says that boys are a bad influence?
15:23In other words, if I don't have a sufficient filter
15:26as if to decipher the information
15:30of what is true or what is not true,
15:32because he presents himself as a scientist,
15:34That's the problem.
15:35In other words, they don't say,
15:37As Fabio Zerpa said on television the other day,
15:41It has been proven that the soul weighs 25 grams.
15:45It is already presented as if it has been scientifically proven.
15:48Then one says, well, yes, I believe it or I don't believe it,
15:51But something else follows that,
15:53Something else comes after that.
15:54In other words, it's preparing the breeding ground
15:56of magical thinking.
15:58So tomorrow they're going to put up a poster for me.
16:00He says, come and see the truth about UFOs
16:02and about God,
16:03And it turns out that through a talk about UFOs
16:06I join a cult.
16:07Of course, it's really difficult for the media
16:10and in general for the State even.
16:13What is the boundary between freedom of course,
16:17freedom of belief,
16:18even freedom of expression
16:19so that each person can express their own vision of the world,
16:22of life, of God, of existence?
16:24But the problem isn't just with the media.
16:25What's the line between that and, well,
16:28and protect ourselves from actions that lead to crime
16:33or towards criminality?
16:34Because who practices medicine today
16:37and promises a cure and charges for that cure
16:40or doesn't charge and promises,
16:41He is committing a crime.
16:43because there is a crime defined in our penal code.
16:46Well, that should be the limit.
16:47In other words, the application of the law.
16:51But that's not...
16:53Of course, but I understand that this lady, Valentina Andrade,
16:55It has worked in our country without violating the law in principle,
16:59probably for a long time,
17:01and has won over supporters and transmitted ideas
17:04which, well, seem to end up converging in the murder of children.
17:08But until that happens,
17:09She was a lady exercising her freedom of worship and belief.
17:12Exactly.
17:13You saw how it's handled.
17:16In other words, the one who is unaware,
17:18You receive a video.
17:19And what do you know about what you receive?
17:21Perhaps you'll receive an exceptionally well-made video.
17:24and well-founded,
17:25and maybe you'll receive a messianic delusion.
17:28There is a part of the responsibility.
17:29The other part is handled by the justice system or the educational authorities.
17:33In other words, I always try to speak using my first and last name.
17:37That is, Lili Sulto, for example,
17:39He says on television that he attends to people
17:42who has patients and works with doctors.
17:45What does the Argentine Medical Association do?
17:49to save, let's say, people's health first?
17:54And then the image of what it has to be...
17:55Well, the newspapers feature offers for different types of cures.
17:58You must be more so than I am,
17:59That's not an unsuspecting reader, but...
18:02But this is not discussed here in any way.
18:05to undermine freedom of worship,
18:07freedom of belief.
18:09This is something that is a universally recognized right.
18:12and that no one challenges.
18:13In the case of the ESPES Foundation,
18:14Yes, what is being challenged is the practice of this belief.
18:18when a current legal norm is contravened.
18:20Now, the issue is a bit complicated,
18:23firstly due to a great lack of knowledge throughout society.
18:26That is why one of the objectives of the ESPES Foundation
18:28It is, among other things, training professionals
18:30so that from their own professions
18:32can address the phenomenon of cults.
18:34In other words, to train lawyers so that they are prepared.
18:38for a legal approach to the sectarian phenomenon,
18:40Because otherwise, they don't know how to handle a lawsuit.
18:42or they don't know how to use the legal tools
18:44that do exist to counter an attack
18:47which society is unjustly subjected to.
18:50To train psychologists who are also not prepared.
18:52for a psychological approach to the sectarian phenomenon
18:54or psychotherapeutic for former members
18:56who emerge with serious psychophysical disorders.
18:59And above all, to clarify and in some way alert society.
19:05But regarding what he mentioned,
19:06I think it's a very serious point.
19:08the shared responsibility we all have in these matters.
19:11Of course, there is also freedom of the press,
19:13which is a right and which is perfectly legal
19:16than a television program, a newspaper, a magazine
19:19dedicate himself to these topics,
19:20But it must be done from, let's say,
19:23a scientific, objective approach.
19:26In the case of Valentina de Andrade,
19:27I think so, that there already was...
19:29I'm not a lawyer, am I?
19:31Legal matters are not my area of expertise.
19:32But I believe there were activities that were legally punishable.
19:37The other day, Alejandro, who was there last Monday,
19:40I believe, in our program,
19:40He told us that you had indications
19:43that the activity of these people
19:45it was going to end in violent episodes
19:48or at least criminal.
19:50What gave those indications?
19:52No, what the book basically gave,
19:55The content of the book, right?
19:56The paragraphs that you can highlight if you wish...
19:59Yes, we can point out the ones that appear for you.
20:02Apart from the paragraphs in the book,
20:03Well, the leaders' own attitude
20:07This alignment towards the followers, right?
20:10In fact, there were already former followers declaring
20:12that acts were being committed...
20:14Were there any presentations between the justice system,
20:16These former followers, in addition to going to the organizations,
20:19Looking, I suppose, for some kind of containment, right?
20:22Yes, there were court cases last year.
20:26a complaint of child abuse
20:28done by a grandmother who was asking for custody of her grandson
20:31because the daughter belonged to the sect
20:34and following the higher universal guidelines
20:37subjected him to rather peculiar treatment
20:39to his own son.
20:41Therefore, the grandmother requested custody.
20:42But unfortunately, despite providing documentation
20:47The judge gave custody to the mother, right?
20:50One of the points that Alejandro mentioned
20:52from which the possible danger of this group was evident
20:55It's on page 129 of the book written by Valentina Andrade
20:59where, among other things, it says
21:00Be careful with the children.
21:03They are unconscious instruments
21:05of the great farce called God
21:07and his nefarious collaborators.
21:09I remind you that although the matter is small
21:11That is, the boys' one
21:12their energy can, independently
21:15light fires in houses, objects
21:17cause accidents, nausea, various pains
21:20organic or physical weaknesses
21:22vomiting and other consequences
21:24against those who surround him
21:25So watch your children's every move.
21:29Obviously, with texts like these
21:31It was foreseeable that it could end
21:33events such as the one that are publicly known today.
21:36We even spoke with Alejandro last year
21:39the possibility that this group
21:41There were some serious characteristics
21:43which were very similar to the infamous
21:46James Jones People's Temple.
21:47What are the points of contact?
21:49What do you find with the James Jones cult?
21:52For those who don't remember, it was the episode
21:54which ended with a massacre in Guyana
21:56of almost a thousand people, right?
21:58A very particular episode.
22:00Yes, actually 75% committed suicide.
22:02The remaining 25% were killed by the same people.
22:05sect guards, including a senator
22:06Leo Ryan, from the United States.
22:08I want to be very clear about this.
22:10They talk about similar characteristics
22:12where the possibility of a Guyana could be inferred
22:14but not the certainty as he revealed
22:17A morning newspaper from here in this capital, right?
22:20The elements were, well,
22:21this underlying substrate of psychic disturbance,
22:24the possibility of a schizoid-paranoid psychosis
22:26and apart from that, serious activities
22:30that they were developing.
22:31A year and a half ago they had planned
22:34a major proselytizing campaign
22:35along the entire Atlantic coast
22:37that they unexpectedly suspend.
22:39At the same time,
22:41Superior Universal Guideline
22:42It begins to close all its branch offices.
22:44that had Capital and Greater Buenos Aires
22:46remaining, at least visibly,
22:48with its headquarters in the Congreso neighborhood
22:50at Virrey Ceballos 600.
22:52And it also begins to expel
22:54to some members,
22:55which is extremely rare in a sect
22:58Quite the opposite,
22:59He always tries to capture...
22:59What would these expulsions have to do with?
23:02Apparently because they were negative energies
23:05and disguised as good or pure energies
23:09That's why they start to expel him.
23:11which is strange,
23:12because cults try to recruit
23:13more and more followers
23:14far from expelling him.
23:16That's where we started making contact
23:17with some former members
23:18And when we ask about this
23:21They said that around that time
23:24They were becoming more insistent
23:25the versions within the group
23:26that it was a matter of days, weeks
23:29the one that was going to be rescued in energy.
23:32When we ask,
23:33Well, how were they rescued in terms of energy?
23:34Yes, yes, these extraterrestrial ships are coming.
23:36They're going to extract the energy,
23:38only a select few
23:39They will go in energy and in materials,
23:41but most
23:41They're only going to extract the energy.
23:43And the matter will remain here.
23:45What will happen to the subject matter here?
23:47And the body will remain.
23:48And what will happen to this body?
23:49And you're going to say
23:50that we are dead.
23:52So that it's a complete energy rescue
23:54At the same time, right?
23:56The topic of the concept of death
23:57within the sect
23:58He was treated with very little importance.
24:00In other words, death was simply
24:00An energy transfer, isn't it?
24:02It was losing value.
24:03It was simply a trip.
24:06And this is very common in many other sects,
24:08not only in Valentina de Andrade's sect.
24:10In most UFO cults
24:12The message is generally apocalyptic.
24:15There is an end-of-the-world date,
24:16There is blackmail involved.
24:17Of course, you were talking about the UFO cults.
24:21My question is,
24:21What is the link,
24:22the connection between this UFO worldview
24:28and, let's say,
24:30ritual modalities
24:32From African rituals, right?
24:34There is actually no point of contact
24:37among Afro-Brazilian cults
24:38and these UFO sects,
24:40platillistas or contactistas.
24:41But they do appear in this case.
24:42Not in this one, not in this one.
24:44There are other UFO sects that do
24:45Regarding its spiritualist roots, right?
24:48And there is a connection there with Umbanda.
24:50Anyway, the ritual...
24:51There is something important.
24:52Yeah.
24:52There is something important,
24:53because of spiritualist sects
24:56that are swarming in Brazil...
24:58Well, let's say,
24:59that in general UFO sects
25:01They are heirs of spiritualism, aren't they?
25:03Because, in fact,
25:05the contactee channels in a trance,
25:07in quotation marks,
25:08a higher entity
25:10which would be an extraterrestrial.
25:12And the equivalent with the medium
25:13from the last century is automatic.
25:15In other words, it's the same thing.
25:16The only difference
25:18is the type of entity.
25:19What spiritualists do
25:21is receiving messages
25:22or incorporate beings from the dead
25:25or disembodied spirits.
25:26In the case of gurus
25:28of the UFO cults,
25:29in the case of Valentina de Andrade,
25:31Alfa Group,
25:32FUPEC,
25:33Romagnuc,
25:34Well,
25:35And others, right?
25:36In the case of Estela Molli,
25:38They are, in general,
25:39the leaders of these groups
25:40They say they incorporate
25:43extraterrestrials
25:43or even characters
25:44of the Catholic pantheon
25:46and send messages
25:49excellent,
25:50with commands,
25:51with orders
25:51that the followers must follow.
25:53In general,
25:54one of the methods
25:57that they use
25:57to retain followers
25:59is to announce
25:59the end of the world.
26:01The follower
26:01he is forced
26:03many times
26:03to stay
26:04within that group,
26:05sometimes frightened,
26:07for this end of the world
26:09that is coming
26:10and that the only way
26:11to be rescued
26:12is following
26:13to the letter
26:14The guru's dictates, right?
26:16Now,
26:16you were just talking
26:17of a strip
26:18from a risk group,
26:19which could be equivalent to
26:21to the risk group
26:22for an illness,
26:23For example,
26:24regarding the possibility
26:25of being captured
26:26or incorporated
26:27to the sect.
26:27On which strip
26:29Do they work?
26:30Look,
26:32prima facie
26:33we don't have
26:36discernment
26:36to be able to say
26:38the boys
26:38are more prone,
26:39teenagers
26:40are more prone,
26:41adults.
26:41It has been seen
26:42that participate
26:44of these beliefs,
26:45I'm talking,
26:46not only
26:46of the sectarian phenomenon.
26:48from all social strata
26:51social,
26:51of all ages,
26:52But what's happening?
26:55Logically
26:55there is a period
26:58of adolescence
26:59where there are
27:02certain behaviors
27:03probably
27:04of going against the rules,
27:06that is to say,
27:07or to absorb
27:08all the new stuff.
27:09a behavior
27:10what does that have to do with it
27:10with the search
27:11of identity.
27:12So,
27:13during that period
27:13search
27:14than other people
27:15They can have it,
27:16probably
27:16after 30 years
27:17or maybe
27:18They have it for life.
27:20As?
27:21Clear.
27:22So,
27:22what's happening?
27:23The novelty
27:23always constitutes
27:24a stimulus
27:24and even more so if that novelty
27:25comes packaged
27:27with a promise
27:29of a blessedness
27:31cosmic,
27:32so to speak,
27:33by superior beings
27:34that are coming
27:35to protect,
27:36that are coming
27:37to resolve
27:37our conflicts,
27:39that come
27:39to bring peace
27:39to the world.
27:41That is to say,
27:41is the fact
27:43head on
27:43to the loss
27:44of the sense
27:45of life,
27:46find meaning
27:47through
27:48of a proposal
27:48magic.
27:49Yeah,
27:49transcendent.
27:50A proposal
27:50transcendent
27:51and magical,
27:51besides.
27:52But,
27:52How is it done?
27:53so that
27:54Which is better?
27:55He puts it on.
27:55OK
27:56with technology
27:56current.
27:58That is to say,
27:58Well, look at that.
27:59that the form
27:59of UFOs
28:00has been changing
28:02since the decade
28:03From 40 until now.
28:04That is to say,
28:04It seems to be progressing.
28:05along with the films
28:06science fiction.
28:07It's no longer visible.
28:08the UFO
28:09cigar type
28:11that was seen
28:12in the decade
28:13of 40
28:13or 50.
28:13Now ships are visible
28:15similar
28:15like Star Trek
28:16or to the one of
28:17close encounters,
28:18etc
28:19The myth is being adjusted
28:19in the cultural context.
28:20It means that he's coming
28:21packaging
28:21in a way
28:22which also
28:23includes
28:24tastes
28:24of society
28:25current.
28:26But always
28:27with the promise
28:29magic
28:30and apart
28:30with the proposal
28:31magic.
28:31How are you
28:32legally presented
28:34the guideline
28:34higher universal?
28:35Are you registered?
28:36as a legal entity?
28:37Are you registered?
28:38as an association
28:39civil?
28:39Are you registered?
28:40as an association
28:41civil?
28:42Non-religious,
28:43but with high
28:43religious content.
28:44This is a feature
28:45also from the sect.
28:47Not everyone signs up
28:48in the Ministry
28:48Ministry of Foreign Affairs
28:49and Worship,
28:50as would be appropriate,
28:51but many,
28:52initially hiding
28:53the religious element,
28:54they register
28:55in the General Inspectorate
28:55of Justice
28:56with the screen
28:57or the disguise
28:57of civil associations
28:59or foundations.
29:00Or they register
29:00in the Ministry
29:01Education
29:02such as centers,
29:03institutes,
29:04educational schools
29:04or they don't register
29:05nowhere
29:06and they work
29:06more or less
29:07underground.
29:08This might be important
29:09because more or less
29:10underground
29:10until it is approved
29:11this new project
29:13of cults
29:13prepared by the same
29:14Ministry of Foreign Affairs
29:15Foreign Affairs and Worship
29:16which revealed
29:17in November of last year.
29:18This project
29:19has the laudatory intention
29:20to exercise greater control
29:22about groups
29:22of these characteristics.
29:24But curiously
29:25propose
29:26in article 7
29:27from now on
29:28the registration
29:28be voluntary.
29:29That is to say,
29:30that cult
29:30who wants to register
29:31registers,
29:32The one who doesn't, no,
29:33and the unregistered
29:33will be able to develop
29:34freely available activities
29:35consequently being lost
29:37any possibility of control
29:38or record
29:38of sects like these
29:40that are acting
29:41in our country.
29:42In fact,
29:43When you say control,
29:44specifically
29:44What do you mean?
29:45What kind of possibility
29:46control
29:47has agreed
29:48to our right
29:48the State
29:49about operation
29:50of groups
29:51of this type
29:52that they are not infringing
29:53In principle, the law?
29:54Well,
29:56based on what has been discussed so far
29:57with the Ministry
29:57Ministry of Foreign Affairs
29:58and Worship
29:58It lacks capacity
29:59control,
29:59No?
30:00That's why we believe
30:01And we made that known.
30:02to the Ministry
30:02Ministry of Foreign Affairs
30:03which would be convenient
30:05that the record
30:06of cults
30:06depended
30:07of the Ministry
30:08of Justice
30:08and not from the Ministry
30:09Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
30:10In several countries
30:11of Europe
30:11the record
30:12of cults
30:12It depends on the Ministry
30:13of Justice
30:14which he can exercise
30:15a control
30:15in the face of a crime,
30:16No?
30:17I mean,
30:17control
30:17It's not that they are
30:18monitoring all these cults
30:19but rather in front
30:20to any complaint
30:21of a victim
30:22automatically
30:23are put into operation
30:24the legal mechanisms
30:25to preserve
30:26to society
30:27of damages like this.
30:28Well,
30:28Enrique has brought us
30:29a material
30:29which actually
30:30It is a material
30:31that have been working
30:31with Telefe News
30:33I understand,
30:34No?
30:34Clear,
30:35In fact
30:35This is only
30:36part of the large amount of material
30:39that we have been gathering
30:41we even analyzed it
30:43and for years
30:44and from there to finding
30:46patterns
30:47among several characters
30:48of those we have mentioned
30:50through their messages
30:51his speeches
30:52or their interviews
30:53even on television
30:54or radial
30:55or in some graphic medium.
30:57I think now
30:58what we are going to see
30:59It has to do with
31:00fairly
31:00with an alleged
31:03Messiah too
31:04or a prophet
31:05an envoy
31:06that is related
31:08strictly
31:08with the topic
31:09of UFO-themed sects
31:10that one
31:10sometimes
31:11he can't
31:13identify
31:14or the person
31:14that doesn't handle
31:15these topics
31:16because it mixes
31:17which is very common
31:18the religious theme
31:19Catholic
31:20or with images
31:22of Christ
31:22and so on
31:23and also
31:24uses
31:25some
31:26strategies
31:27that I would say
31:28fraudulent
31:29because never
31:29has allowed itself to be examined
31:31And what does that have to do with it?
31:31with stigmas
31:33in the hands
31:33excellent
31:34that the Catholic Church
31:35as many know
31:37It has many
31:38examples
31:39non-fraudulent
31:40precisely
31:41of true
31:43stigmatized
31:43Well
31:44this person
31:45use fairly
31:46this is attractive
31:47within what could be
31:48something miraculous
31:49paranormal
31:49for
31:50somehow
31:52deliver your message
31:53and somehow
31:54also gather followers
31:55Well
31:55Let's see
31:56the images
31:57They are of one note
31:58that corresponds
31:58by the year 90
31:59what we are doing
32:00is taking elements
32:01neither
32:02they are directly
32:03related
32:04with the logging
32:04superior universal
32:05But what if they put us on?
32:06in the guide
32:07how
32:09work
32:09some groups
32:10to let in
32:11your ideas
32:11also the leader
32:13of this sect
32:13still
32:14is active
32:15and this sect
32:16It works in our country
32:17is called
32:17non siamo soli
32:19or cosmic brotherhood
32:21or cosmic brotherhood
32:22She's Italian
32:23and well
32:24It's been working for a while
32:25about 30 years
32:26the truth
32:27They can answer it
32:29but they can't
32:30prove otherwise
32:31The fact is that I
32:32sanguine
32:32The fact is that I
32:33sanguine
32:34I have open questions
32:36and not die
32:37and I don't die
32:37if you see that they are
32:39a superhuman
32:39It's clear I'm a
32:40superman
32:41No
32:41No
32:42just one instrument
32:43divine
32:44only
32:44just one instrument
32:45divine
32:46you will know
32:46at all levels
32:47verse the hands
32:48means suffering
32:49for humanity
32:50and the blood
32:51that I pour from my hands
32:52It means suffering
32:53for humanity
32:56but also salvation
32:57if we meet
33:00comes through
33:02of
33:02I will see at that moment
33:03then I see
33:04what you
33:05you cannot see
33:06then
33:07And it's not the first time
33:12what has happened
33:13in Fatima
33:14Medjugorje
33:14and other places around the world
33:16to confirm
33:16the truth
33:17from my experience
33:18to confirm
33:20the truth
33:20from my experiences
33:21I have been given
33:23This signal
33:23where it is not possible
33:27deny
33:28of Jesus
33:28that presents itself to me
33:30scene out
33:31from a luminous globe
33:32the form of Jesus
33:33that presents itself to me
33:34emerges from a luminous globe
33:36what you call
33:37in Argentina
33:40UFO
33:44are the media
33:45with which
33:46Jesus serves himself
33:47to get here
33:48the messages
33:49In summary
33:50they say this
33:51for approximately
33:5640 years
33:57Eugenio Siracusa
33:58who is my spiritual father
33:59has announced
34:00to humanity
34:01a likely
34:02self-destruction
34:03if humanity
34:04it is not retained
34:04has announced
34:05They haven't been
34:10escorted
34:10good
34:11and how they exercise
34:13the healing
34:14also
34:16I have no data
34:18that they
34:18they perform healing
34:19the most important
34:20is the doctrine
34:20of the cosmic brotherhood
34:23by Eugenio Siragusa
34:24that just
34:25himself
34:26as Giovanni mentioned
34:27as his spiritual father
34:28more than anything
34:30The message is apocalyptic.
34:33just like Valentina de Andrade's
34:35And an interesting fact
34:37with regard to this sect
34:38which was publicly announced
34:40earlier this year
34:42in our country
34:43at a meeting
34:44that was organized
34:45at the San Martín Cultural Center
34:47there were quite a few people
34:50It's because in the year 91
34:52by October of 1991
34:55they predicted
34:56the end of the world
34:57even in some places
34:58from Spain
35:00They had already
35:00They already had it organized
35:02underground banks
35:03where were they
35:03refugees
35:04his followers
35:05with food
35:06arms
35:07expecting
35:07the imminent apocalypse
35:10Well
35:11finally
35:12nothing happened
35:13as we know
35:14The sect is still operating
35:15And there's an interesting fact
35:17And it is the following
35:18that many times
35:19one says
35:20Well
35:20indeed
35:22the date
35:23arrive
35:24the prophecy failed
35:25and how can it be
35:26Let it be the people
35:28hooked
35:28in those groups
35:29and yet
35:30these prophecies
35:31failed
35:32sometimes they reinforce
35:33the dependence of the cult
35:35because
35:35above all
35:36among the people
35:37nearest
35:39to the leaders
35:40because
35:41these prophecies
35:43failed
35:43In fact
35:44fail
35:45they don't fail
35:46are successful
35:46because
35:47thanks to the powers
35:48of the leaders
35:50It was avoided
35:51in the end
35:52of the times
35:52For example
35:53and they can
35:54the divided
35:55superior
35:55It's putting you
35:56testing
35:57Let's see if one
35:58can arrive
35:58to tolerate
36:01that is to say
36:01that one
36:02new
36:02subscription
36:03to the sect
36:04or to the movement
36:05apocalyptic
36:06after it failed
36:07a prophecy
36:08caliber size
36:09still indicates
36:10a greater will
36:11and a greater sacrifice
36:12because it is exposed
36:13to ridicule
36:13unaffiliated
36:18etc.
36:18by a sociologist
36:20Leon Festinger
36:21who infiltrated
36:24together with a group
36:24of collaborators
36:25in the year
36:261956
36:27in a sect
36:28of the same characteristics
36:29the ones we're talking about
36:30in the United States
36:31which was commanded
36:32by a lady
36:32under a pseudonym
36:33which was
36:34Madame Quiche
36:35excellent
36:36that precisely
36:37she too
36:37it announced the end
36:38of the times
36:39the decline
36:39of flying saucers
36:40that in an operation
36:41rescue
36:42or evacuation plan
36:43as it's fashionable
36:44among these groups
36:44mention
36:45they were going to be rescued
36:47because the apocalypse
36:48it was imminent
36:49Ultimately, nothing happened.
36:50and the arguments
36:51used
36:52served to
36:54many of the adherents
36:56they continued alongside
36:57of this lady
36:58this lady
36:59He is now 85 years old
37:00He continues to lead a sect
37:01is a supplier
37:03from a lot of material
37:04that appears here
37:05with books
37:07even from the group
37:08Alpha
37:09by Francisco Chechi
37:09the topic of the plan
37:11evacuation
37:11that group
37:12continued to exist
37:12now the sects
37:13in order to function
37:14They need
37:15a sum of money
37:16for their publications
37:18their movements
37:18and for
37:19Well
37:19and to solve
37:21life
37:22of those who command them
37:23which apparently
37:23not dedicated
37:24to no other task
37:25No?
37:25if we return
37:26to the case
37:26of the alignment
37:27superior universal
37:28this morning
37:29I was with Luis Pasos
37:30he told me
37:30who is the journalist
37:31from Clarín
37:31who went to cover
37:32the information
37:33he told me
37:34that in the last few hours
37:36the police
37:37Brazilian
37:38I was practically
37:39convinced
37:40about what
37:40mobile phones
37:42economic
37:43of the leaders
37:44light
37:45are
37:47quite predominant
37:48No?
37:49and?
37:50indeed
37:50This looked
37:51clearly
37:52in the type
37:53of things
37:54that was inside
37:54of the house
37:55her
37:55of all
37:55clear
37:56anyway
37:57no matter how much there is
37:57mobiles
37:58economic
37:59and that already
37:59has been done
38:00a fortune
38:00There is another one
38:01a base
38:01of another type
38:02to get there
38:02to a crime
38:03of these characteristics
38:04fundamentally
38:04sometimes
38:05some researchers
38:06tend to reduce
38:07the sectarian phenomenon
38:08a problem
38:08of a political nature
38:09or economic
38:10and in this
38:11We must be very careful
38:11although there is
38:12the political factor
38:13And there is the economic factor.
38:14They are not the only ones
38:15nor the most important ones
38:17but they are interrelated
38:18with others
38:18We'd have to see a sect
38:19by sect
38:21in general terms
38:22we can talk
38:22of this megalomania
38:23of this delirium
38:24completely overwhelmed
38:25power
38:25which becomes effective
38:27much more easily
38:28with political contacts
38:29and with economic power
38:31but generally
38:31the political and the economic
38:32subordinate
38:33to this delusion of power
38:34even with respect
38:35in the light
38:36and most
38:37of the sects
38:37as I said before
38:39the charges
38:39that constantly
38:40they are made
38:41They are economic exploitation
38:42of the members
38:43and reduction
38:44in slavery
38:44they become dependent
38:45purely and exclusively
38:46of the group
38:47and for the group
38:47Well
38:48Let's look at some other material
38:49that Henry brought
38:50what does that have to do with it
38:51with a note
38:51that was done
38:52for the news
38:53from Telefe
38:54and then
38:55a demonstration
38:56made of how
38:57It was falsified
38:57reality
38:58then
38:59made in the same channel
39:00on purpose
39:01of promises
39:02healing
39:03clear
39:03This has something to do with it
39:04with what you
39:05you had asked
39:05initially
39:07many of these
39:08organizations
39:09or sects
39:10in general
39:11one of the greats
39:11hooks that use
39:12that's the topic
39:13of the cures
39:14I said healing
39:15taking a word
39:16very misused
39:16because I saw the video
39:17before
39:18It is actually healing
39:19clear
39:19And you, look at this
39:19when you speak
39:21also on the topic
39:22of the relationship
39:22of the Guyana case
39:23Jim Jones
39:25that worked
39:26jointly
39:26with his wife
39:27she
39:28Marceline
39:29used
39:30something similar
39:31what we are going to see
39:32now
39:32further inside
39:33of what would be
39:34the operations
39:34of the Filipinos
39:35that at some point
39:36We've talked here
39:37that extract organs
39:39apparently
39:40penetrating the hands
39:41in the body
39:42of the sick person
39:44and used
39:45that guy
39:45of healings
39:46to somehow
39:48attract people
39:48also
39:49and maintain it
39:49always firm
39:50as
39:50clear
39:51what it's about
39:52to demonstrate
39:53at least
39:53That's what
39:54Enrique does
39:55in this case
39:56the thing is
39:57they do not penetrate
39:58really in the body
39:59but they are
40:00using techniques
40:01of illusionism
40:02to perform these operations
40:04Now this is done
40:05on Uritorco Hill
40:06which is a place
40:07very popular
40:07and a large crowd
40:09And this has to do with
40:10what we talked about
40:11at first
40:12of that support
40:13of so many charlatans
40:14that they are talking
40:15on the UFO topic
40:16and actually
40:17distort
40:17the true information
40:19and they do tours
40:20trips
40:21to go there
40:22and well
40:22That's when they start to arm themselves
40:24different sects
40:25Well
40:25This is a person
40:26which surely
40:27through sponsorship
40:29the support
40:29from some group
40:30of these
40:30that Alexander was speaking of
40:32newly
40:33on the subject of UFOs
40:34carries out
40:35this kind of thing
40:36and it's attractive
40:37more so that people
40:37keep going there
40:38to Uritorco Hill
40:39where everything happens
40:40Well
40:40Let's see
40:41the first part
40:44behind me
40:45There is Uritorco
40:46here for a while
40:47a couple of years
40:47Things happen
40:48quite strange
40:50sightings
40:51of extraterrestrial spacecraft
40:52but also
40:53have come
40:54what are called
40:55the doctors
40:56from the air
40:57It's people who intervene
40:58surgically
40:59and according to what they say
41:00have achieved
41:01master
41:02among other things
41:03cancer
41:04them
41:04We'll see them
41:05come with me
41:06Follow me
41:07we are going towards
41:08one of the street cleanings
41:10from Uritorco
41:10very close
41:11of the town
41:13Cordoban
41:13from Capilla del Monte
41:15Here we'll see
41:16to the doctors
41:17from the air
41:19come with me
41:20comes here
41:21it isn't true?
41:236, 5
41:2486.5
41:265, 5
41:26very good
41:27Why did you
41:29Is he coming here?
41:30it isn't true?
41:32because he has faith
41:33because he has desires
41:34to heal
41:35because he feels like it
41:36to feel better
41:37TRUE?
41:37for that
41:39has problems
41:40on the device
41:41digestive
41:43maybe problems
41:45of cancer
41:45that we should
41:46figure out
41:47through
41:47of science
41:52apparently
41:53appears to have
41:54expanded
41:54towards the side
41:55of the liver
41:55and part
41:57of the mediastinum
41:59Well
41:59I don't know
42:00that
42:00we would have to see
42:02because
42:02I'm that
42:03I don't know
42:04but
42:04I feel
42:05something
42:06no
42:06that doesn't suit me
42:07It takes away my hunger
42:09It takes away
42:09the desire to walk
42:11the desire to do things
42:12the desire to do things
42:14sleep is cut short
42:15and it's losing
42:16memory
42:17that is
42:18I have come here
42:19from so far away
42:20to see you
42:21so that
42:22you and God
42:24help me
42:25Let's see if I can
42:26subscribe
42:27a little more
42:29good
42:30Thank you very much, sir.
42:32now
42:33Let's go to the part
42:34healing
42:35that is to say
42:36I've taken care of it now.
42:37as a professional
42:38as a parapsychologist
42:39I'll take care of it now.
42:40as a healer
42:41in this case
42:43you would need
42:44it isn't true?
42:44an operation
42:47psychosomatic
42:48What is psychosomatic?
42:50that is to say
42:50we're going
42:51to induce
42:52the thought
42:52we'll manage
42:54from some media
42:55like scissors
42:57like a
42:58like a needle
42:59it isn't true?
43:01as an element
43:02Well
43:03the risk
43:05of this type
43:07of things
43:07from now on
43:08can be removed
43:09to people
43:10of the treatments
43:12which today proposes
43:13official medicine
43:14and make her lose
43:15time in their healings
43:16yesterday I was listening
43:17a therapist
43:18Bach flower remedies
43:18on the radio
43:19which said the following
43:21first it said
43:22that the medication
43:23it was completely harmless
43:25because they consulted him
43:26of the risk
43:27of self-medication
43:28And what happens?
43:29if one goes
43:29buy a flower
43:30etc.
43:31and begins to take
43:32I don't know what's happening
43:32that always
43:34we advise
43:35the consultation
43:36from a therapist
43:37because they can
43:38produce
43:38energy imbalances
43:40but it said
43:41that was so good
43:41this treatment
43:43that the person
43:44that was going for a
43:45specific ailment
43:47little by little
43:48after
43:48it was becoming clear
43:49that was so good
43:50the Bach flower
43:51that made him forget
43:52of taking the medication
43:53of medical treatment
43:55Someone said that
43:56I think with these
43:57alternative things
43:58what to keep in mind
44:00They are alternatives
44:01when I say
44:02which are alternatives
44:03I mean
44:03in case of serious illness
44:04it cannot be dispensed with
44:05from the consultation
44:06to official medicine
44:08but when it appears
44:09the promise of healing
44:11can be brought in
44:12to the people
44:12along somewhat dangerous paths
44:14very dangerous
44:14clear the matter
44:15that you were saying
44:15abandonment
44:16of a treatment
44:18but equally
44:19be terminal
44:20or is not terminal
44:21the problem is
44:23the mindset
44:24that has been created
44:25that is to say
44:26because one cannot
44:27be aware
44:28of all diseases
44:28one cannot be a doctor
44:30It cannot be physical.
44:31He cannot know everything
44:32means
44:33as a patient
44:34will have its own need
44:35emotional as well
44:36to have certain things
44:37but another thing
44:38is someone who introduces themselves
44:39as a professional
44:40who is in therapy
44:41that is managing
44:42a treatment
44:43that says
44:43first, it is harmless
44:44and then he says
44:45that cures the disease
44:48and then he says
44:49that one of the patterns
44:50which is why he realizes
44:51that cures it
44:51It's that the patient himself
44:54the patient himself
44:55It shows him
44:56that is healing
44:57because it is forgotten
44:58of taking the other medication
44:59But that's one thing
45:00completely unusual
45:01Furthermore, it is necessary to evaluate
45:02another thing
45:02when we see
45:03in a moment
45:05confronted the healer
45:06with me
45:06me reproducing exactly
45:08what he does
45:09He uses a technique
45:11That's why here
45:11We must be careful
45:12and sometimes due to lack of knowledge
45:13of the techniques
45:14that certain healers use
45:15The risks are unknown.
45:17He uses a needle.
45:20I'm speaking from experience.
45:21I've known them for years
45:22that
45:23And as you rightly mentioned
45:24when one has
45:25an ailment
45:26a terminal illness
45:27such as cancer
45:28may appeal
45:30to anything
45:30but let's not forget
45:31that
45:31now we also know
45:32that AIDS exists
45:34This man uses
45:36a needle
45:36it pricks him
45:38when I play
45:39the operation
45:40obviously
45:40operated by a journalist
45:42I didn't puncture it
45:43for obvious reasons
45:44It was simply for
45:45show
45:46the act
45:47if it's a drill
45:47It's a drill.
45:48But this gentleman
45:49It really punctures it
45:50to give it more credibility
45:51even the patient
45:52screams
45:53because it hurts
45:54so
45:55what's happening
45:56if a patient goes
45:57of AIDS
45:58He performs an operation on her.
45:59similar
45:59and then
46:00Another person goes
46:01that perhaps it does not have
46:02simply a problem
46:03that uses blood
46:04of some kind
46:05I don't know
46:05Yes, yes, yes
46:07has hidden
46:08in a knob
46:10wrapped in cotton
46:11spits out the blood
46:12when the scissors pass by
46:12but
46:13What happens to a person?
46:15maybe
46:15with a nervous problem
46:16that his stomach hurts
46:17performs the same operation on him
46:18It won't have
46:19caution
46:20this gentleman
46:20that attends
46:2110, 20 people
46:22or perhaps more per day
46:23to change the needle
46:24sterilize it
46:25to then do
46:26the same circus
46:27so
46:27a person
46:28that goes with
46:29other
46:30another illness
46:31which has nothing to do with it
46:31with a terminal
46:32can end
46:33to have
46:34really a
46:35terminal disease
46:35Well
46:36Let's look at the images
46:37where it is seen
46:38how this man operated
46:40and the task of illusionism
46:43that you do yourself
46:44Henry
46:44Are you an illusionist?
46:45How did Enrique operate?
46:48the province of Córdoba
46:50And we're about to begin.
46:51to see it
46:51And what did she do here?
46:52Mr. Enrique Márquez
46:54and the steps
46:55as you see
46:56They are almost
46:57the same
46:58that is to say
46:59first
47:00the concentration
47:01asepsis
47:03pseudoasepsis
47:04in the womb
47:06of the patient
47:10the rite
47:11the rite
47:12the plea
47:13the application
47:14to the spirits
47:15or who knows who
47:16to assist him
47:17in the operation
47:19then put it
47:20the substance
47:21ours was
47:22toothpaste
47:23definitely
47:24It is white
47:24The other one is yellow
47:25It could be mustard
47:26surely
47:28and then
47:29the drill
47:31with the roll
47:32cotton
47:33with the substance
47:34red
47:34that looks like blood
47:36that it leaves
47:37the furrow
47:38as if there had been
47:40made an incision
47:41the repeated
47:43appearance of Jesus
47:45and then
47:45the noise
47:46which seemed
47:47a stapler
47:48as if it were
47:48sewing
47:49suturing
47:50the wound
47:51a wound
47:52that did not exist
47:53and whose noise
47:54it was provoked
47:55by the scissors
47:56with the stick
47:58the little piece of wood
47:58that made the noise
47:59that impressed us so much
48:04then the introduction
48:05of the wire
48:08which was also
48:09a blow
48:09defining
48:11a blow
48:12effect
48:13in the case
48:14of the patient
48:15Cordoban
48:16the one on the left
48:17is a patient
48:19poor
48:19that receives
48:20at the moment
48:21and I don't think it was
48:22under conditions
48:22a couple of blows
48:24very strong
48:24Well, we saw it there.
48:26the material
48:27from Telefe
48:28in which
48:28it was done
48:29the drill
48:30of the operation
48:31what is not understood
48:32It's like exercise
48:33illegal medicine
48:34not be persecuted
48:35criminally
48:36although it is
48:38in the letter
48:38of the law
48:40the proposals
48:41of healings
48:42appear in the media
48:43massive
48:44let's say
48:45There is an offer
48:46in the newspapers
48:47not only in the newspapers
48:48but sometimes we have
48:49the opportunity
48:49to see
48:50how is it diagnosed
48:51through programs
48:52television
48:53very well known
48:54For example
48:55We have a program
48:56signs of midnight
48:57that one can observe
48:58where they parade
48:59astrologers
49:01fortune tellers
49:04parapsychologists
49:05and often
49:06now they are taking care of themselves
49:07a bit
49:08because there has already been
49:08a complaint
49:09on illegal practice
49:10of medicine
49:11diagnoses are made
49:13medical diagnoses
49:14of diseases
49:15body
49:16disease diagnoses
49:17clear
49:17and not long ago
49:18also
49:19on another program
49:20a gentleman
49:21called Schiarity
49:22who claims to have powers
49:23paranormal
49:23I don't know if you remember
49:26Monica
49:26that we have
49:27a challenge
49:28$10,000
49:29to all those
49:30that can prove
49:31his powers
49:32parapsychological
49:33This Mr. Schiarity
49:34She appears on various programs
49:35saying that he can read
49:36the mind
49:37the thought
49:37of the others
49:38and even diagnose
49:40not only recognize
49:41yellow underwear
49:42of some character
49:43that he may go and help him
49:44What did he do?
49:45in a program
49:45very recently
49:46Well
49:46when he says we
49:47It refers to CAIR.
49:49correct
49:50the Center for Research
49:51and Refutation of Pseudoscience
49:54Alright
49:54we have reached these topics
49:56from the sects
49:59what is happening
49:59with this sect
50:00superior universal alignment
50:02surely
50:03We're going to bother them again.
50:05in the coming days
50:05as this investigation
50:07advance
50:07and get to know each other
50:08more things
50:09to sit down
50:10again
50:11to reflect
50:12and to think
50:13about how
50:15the parents
50:16above all
50:17they can be prepared
50:18on purpose
50:19of this type
50:19of activities
50:20I wanted to mention
50:21that one of the main
50:22arms
50:23to fight
50:23against this type
50:24of destructive cults
50:25It is the information
50:26and on August 3rd
50:29at the Cultural Center
50:30Ricardo Rojas
50:31at Corrientes 2038
50:33the CAIR
50:34It's going to give
50:35a conference
50:36with video
50:36on this topic
50:37of UFO cults
50:38at 8 p.m.
50:39interested people
50:41that would be good
50:42that he comes closer
50:42to find out
50:43and they will join
50:44two more conferences
50:45one about parapsychology
50:46a scientific evaluation
50:48on the topic
50:49and alternative medicines
50:50which is what we're talking about
50:52on later dates
50:53I think it's 10.
50:53and the 24th
50:55and the 24th
50:57Well
50:58here
50:59Spes has published
51:00this small booklet
51:01the information
51:02It's the best prevention
51:03and there is a series
51:04of elements
51:06I understand that more
51:07for the day
51:07parental
51:08and of teenagers
51:09Yes, it's a brochure.
51:10made especially
51:11for young people
51:13teenagers
51:14where they are recorded
51:15the data
51:15at the prevention level
51:16definition of sect
51:17characteristics
51:18What are the factors?
51:19of particular incidence
51:20to be captured
51:21what techniques
51:22They use this capture
51:23and an aid plan
51:24to an affected person
51:26a prevention plan
51:27Well
51:27This is what it does
51:28to the parents
51:29in what it does
51:29to the media
51:30The issue is very delicate.
51:31because I insist
51:32What is the limit?
51:33between free movement
51:34of the ideas
51:35that people can express
51:36whatever I feel
51:37feel and think
51:39and well
51:42groups that carry
51:43to the commission
51:43of very serious crimes
51:44in this case
51:45crime against life
51:46the most serious
51:46of the crimes
51:47I think the best parameter
51:48It's that all these
51:49let's say programs
51:51order
51:51to the common good
51:52I mean
51:53there is a good
51:54that goes above
51:55everything else
51:56even from the information
51:56which is the common good
51:58of a society
51:58to which everyone
51:59we are obliged
52:00to defend
52:01Well
52:01gentlemen have been
52:02very kind
52:03of being here today
52:04thank you
52:04bye
52:05see you tomorrow
52:06bye
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