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John Collins and John McKinnon conclude their series by examining William Branham’s adoption and “placing of a son” theology, tracing how it reshaped salvation into a two-stage system that promises future authority to a spiritual elite. They compare Branham’s claims directly with Paul’s teaching on adoption, showing how Scripture presents adoption as a present reality for every believer, not a reward reserved for an end-time class.

The discussion connects Branham’s framework to later charismatic and apostolic movements, explaining how delayed sonship, submission to spiritual authorities, and promises of future power became tools for control within modern networks often associated with the New Apostolic Reformation. By grounding the conversation in biblical texts, historical theology, and documented sermons, the episode clarifies why this doctrine represents a fundamentally different gospel and why it continues to shape contemporary charismatic culture.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:01 Why Adoption Became Central in Branham’s Theology
07:00 Adoption vs the Finished Work of Christ
13:39 Eternal Seed and “Always Saved” Claims Examined
21:01 The Placing of a Son and Mount Transfiguration
27:20 Adoptionism and Early Church Rejection
31:27 Paul’s Adoption Doctrine Explained
39:52 Tutors, Law, and Freedom in Christ
46:50 Elite Christianity and Modern Apostolic Movements
52:35 Grace, Sonship, and the Final Verdict
56:24 Closing Reflections on Gospel and Freedom

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00:30Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:40at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKinnon,
00:47author of The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
00:51John, it's good to be back together and to talk about this weird thing of adoption,
00:56that the series that we've been going through, if I'm not mistaken, this is the last in the series,
01:02but we have, when we first started this, we have kind of brought the audience in from nothing to,
01:09there's quite a bit of interest in the last few episodes. I don't know if you've noticed this or
01:13not, because when we began this, we were talking about, as you know, William Branham and the
01:20foundation, the theological foundation that he laid. And I remember some of the comments, man,
01:26people look at it and they think, well, this isn't relevant at all. What are you guys talking about?
01:32But the more we went on, and the more comparisons we had to some of the modern day apostles and
01:37prophets and the New Apostolic Reformation, all the NAR crowd got interested. And then from the
01:44non-NAR crowd, many of the charismatic people got interested because they're starting to hear
01:49bits and pieces that really resemble what they're in. And they had no idea where some of the stuff
01:55came from. What's really funny about this, and scary at the same time, when C. Peter Wagner coined
02:03the term New Apostolic Reformation, he himself admitted, this is nothing new. This is something
02:09that pre-existed, and he tried to put a brand on it. And many people after him have built upon that
02:16brand. And so even the brand of New Apostolic Reformation has gone in multiple different
02:22directions. But at its core, what you and I are talking about in this specific series, at its core,
02:29this is the foundation that was laid, that all of it was built upon. And again, Wagner said this is
02:36something that pre-existed. He never really went deep as to what it was that existed and why and
02:42how. And I think that's where people are getting really, really surprised. Because Wagner was, he was
02:48basically saying that there are these modern day apostles and prophets with supernatural authority to
02:54transform society. That was his claim. And then everybody who joined into this movement, they would go
03:00to these conventions, these seminars, there were traveling preachers, evangelists, missionaries, etc.
03:06And as people were brought into this fold, they were establishing the idea that if you believe
03:12this modern day apostle or prophet, you can be empowered to do many of these things. And we're
03:18creating this army of people. Where did this army come from? I have rightfully named what you and I do
03:27together in our podcast series, The Weaponized Religion. And you can go on YouTube, there's a
03:33playlist that's got the ones that you and I are doing. But we walked you through the very beginning
03:37of that history. And it wasn't all coming from religion. It was also mixed with politics and many
03:43other things. But it was combining to basically create the theme that Branham would be building
03:50upon. Now, if you're on the Branham side, you don't recognize this because you really are unfamiliar
03:55with what came after. Most of the people are just blinded to the fact that it continued and it
04:01it was rotten to the core and the core developed into something else. But to the historians looking
04:07in, they see people like Wagner and Wagner never really goes back and says who was spearheading
04:14all of this. And especially whenever you consider that Branham was basically the public face,
04:20and there were other people behind the scenes in both Christian identity and white supremacy that
04:24was guiding it. Nobody in today's world and in their right mind, well, I take that back a few people
04:32do. But most people in their right mind won't credit Branham because they don't want people to know
04:37how insidious this movement actually began as. But anyway, this grew from Wagner, you know, between 1970
04:46and 2025, this grew and exploded into, if I remember correctly, the count is like 600, over 600 million
04:56people worldwide have come into this type of system. Not all of its new apostolic reformation, but there
05:03are many Pentecostal charismatic movements, all of which have been influenced by this, some of which did
05:10reject it, but vast majority, you know, still growing and brewing this stuff, not knowing where some of
05:17this theology is coming from. And essentially what happened, what Branham was creating, which we kind
05:23of alluded to in the last episode, but we'll hit it home today, what he was creating was a tiered
05:30structure of Christianity. There was your average, he would call it nominal Christian, or there's other
05:35names he would use for this, but you can be just a Christian, you can just believe in Christ, and
05:40you know, you're a lesser Christian, but there were tiers that were built up, and the super
05:45Christians are the ones that he was focusing on. And so it was basically a pyramid scheme of
05:53Christianity, and that's what the New Apostolic Reformation was built upon. So when you think of
05:58people who have apostolic authority, or the overcomers, or this different language that they use,
06:03what they're essentially talking about is this pyramid scheme that Branham was trying to establish.
06:10And he was spearheading a movement with thousands of different evangelists who were taking these
06:16ideas and running with them, even after they rejected Branham. They kept the most dangerous parts
06:21of his theology, and just simply didn't say where they got it. That's the really scary part. But
06:27anyway, I'm excited to get into this. I think this is the last episode in this series,
06:33and we'll kick off another one soon.
06:35Well, John, I want to welcome everyone to the final punch of this series. This is Episode 9,
06:41Part 3 of The True Adoption of the Believer. It's so good to be here again, have the opportunity
06:46just to shed some light on the false doctrines which came out of the message of William Branham
06:50and the latter rain, you know, from the 1950s, which can harm the Christian church. And it's the one
06:56we've been focused on for the last eight episodes here. And it's just a twisted up version of adoption,
07:01really. And in this episode, I'm going to hold this teaching up to the blazing light of Scripture
07:06again. So it doesn't matter how famous the preacher is, or how supernatural the stories
07:10they've got, you know, the Scripture will always override every thought we have about it.
07:15So tonight, we're putting William Branham's Placing of the Son teaching on the table one last time.
07:20And this time, we're not being gentle. You've heard it 100 times, you know, you're saved,
07:25but you're still just a baby. One day, if you're good enough, God will throw a road party and
07:29finally make you a real son. You know, to be honest, I'm pulling no punches on this one.
07:33And we'll probably say things which believers these doctrines would not want to hear. It may
07:37sound quite harsh. But I believe these things must be said. And so we have a chance of getting
07:43the gospel right. I believe this adoption teaching of William Branham's is one of the most many and
07:48maybe the most seductive and maybe one of the most dangerous and flat out unbiblical doctrines
07:54ever preached from a healing revival platform. You know, William Branham's Placing of a Son
07:58Adoption Theology, it turned out to be, turned the finished work of the cross actually into a
08:05two-stage, robe-wearing, check-signing ceremony that only the end-time elite are supposedly get
08:11to experience. So here's what we heard from William Branham's message so far.
08:16Although he's been my son since he's been born, now I'm going to place him positionally in
08:20authority. What he fires is fired, and what he hires is hired. And the real context of the
08:26scriptures wrote between the lines, you just got to let God give it to you by revelation.
08:31But we're going to tear this thing apart, you know, line by line and verse by verse.
08:36You know, think about this, John. Paul said, you have received the spirit of adoption, Romans 8.15.
08:42And if Jesus said, whosoever believes has everlasting life, if every blood-bought child,
08:49legitimate or illegitimate, is already a joint heir with Christ right now, then anybody who's
08:54standing up proclaiming, you're saved, but you're still a spiritual toddler, you know,
08:59waiting on Papa God's public ceremony, you know, he's not preaching the gospel. He's preaching
09:04another gospel, and Paul said to let them be accursed. So we better buckle up our seatbelts this time
09:10for this one. And today we're going to ask these questions that the Branhamites just hate.
09:15You know, where's the actual robe ceremony in the New Testament? Where's the elite play sons class
09:20that's mentioned in Galatians 3.28? Why does Branham's between the lines revelation always sound
09:26exactly like the voice of William Branham or the latter rain and not the Bible? So grab your Bible
09:33because we're about to read what God actually wrote, not what some preacher has said hidden between
09:38the lines. And when we're done, you know, every regular Christian here listening is going to walk
09:43away knowing these things. If you've got Jesus, you're not waiting for your adoption date. It's
09:49already signed, sealed, seated, and you're eating at the Father's table right now. No robes, no rings,
09:55no waiting room. It's just Jesus, just grace, and it's just done. We're going to open the Word and watch
10:01this whole thing fall apart. Instead of reading between the lines, we're going to read on the lines the
10:06way we should. And watch Branham's doctrine crumble under the Word of God.
10:11Absolutely. And to remind people just how important this is, if you – I mentioned C. Peter Wagner,
10:17but think about the different streams of Pentecostal charismatic movement, basically the apostolic
10:23networks that are lying within the New Apostolic Reformation that are combining as different streams
10:30of theology to the same end. And look at some of the names involved. And you don't have to take my
10:35word for it. You can go to Google News, and you can just search for some of these names, and you'll
10:39find numerous articles about this. But in the beginning episodes, we were talking about Christian
10:45identity and Christian nationalism, how that was combining with religion and fundamentalism,
10:50and it was birthing something new, something that was being used as a weapon. And you can find
10:56numerous articles out there that are talking about faith. Like, I've got one on the screen. I'll throw it
11:02up. It's faith as a weapon. You'll find numerous articles like this, and they all mention the same
11:07streams of people. You've got – this one in particular mentions apostles, Dutch Sheets, Chuck
11:12Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, Lance Wallnau, names that I've mentioned quite a few times in different various
11:18podcasts and research videos. These people, they're not part of the same org chart, so you don't see them
11:24as connected from a business standpoint. But ideologically, they're connected. And the news
11:31media just has no idea how to put all of this together. They have no way to connect these people
11:37other than the fact that you listen to what they're saying, and it's a bunch of political rhetoric that
11:42is disguised as religion. That's basically what's happening here. And when you think about William
11:48Branham's theology, those same people, if they were to encounter William Branham in his sermons,
11:52without knowing that loaded language and what it means, they would never be able to connect this.
11:59But you and I have the special insight, right? Because we both have studied theology. I'm not
12:05an expert by no means, but I've studied and read the Bible. And we know the loaded language that's
12:10in the sermons and the themes that were hidden within that loaded language. So when you're talking
12:16about adoption, you're really talking about spiritual elite people. And when you consider some of the
12:22weaponized political statements that were in Branham sermons, when you combine all of this,
12:27you basically have a view into what the news media now is just calling Christian nationalism.
12:32It's just much more complex than that. Christian nationalism was just one stream that was coming
12:38into the revivals. So as we get into this, and I know you're going to go through the theology of it,
12:45just remember how important all of this is as it relates to today. Because this is not something,
12:51we're talking about a guy who died in 1965. Yes. And you can't really say that all trails run back
12:58to Branham. But what you can say, Branham was the foremost leader of the post-World War II healing
13:04revival, not just by my words, but by many historians' accounts. Branham was the foremost leader.
13:10Yes, he may have been rejected later on, but there was a period of time whenever he was saying many of
13:15the things that we're going through in this podcast and the other ones in the series that many, many
13:21people were agreeing with and standing behind. And it wasn't Christianity. In fact, as you're about to
13:28show, it was actually the opposite of Christianity. What was it? It was weaponized religion for a
13:34political purpose. And that's really the significance of this.
13:38Yeah. You know, I want to start with a few quotes. We show William Branham and his ministers
13:42believe the bride always saved, was always saved back in eternity. There's many problems with this
13:48thinking, John, but the big one is that Jesus and his work on the cross is severely diminished.
13:54And who God is is severely diminished. What God has to do to save us. Even though the cross of
13:59Christ is mentioned in many message churches, you know, I fear William Branham's message actually
14:04supersedes the cross of Christ in what they're teaching. So, and one of the ministers is preaching on
14:11Godhead. He says, anybody taking that statement of Brother Brown that said, you'll come to a day
14:18when you know you're always were saved. You've got to come to him on what I'm talking about this
14:23morning, what he talked about, the ultimate predestination coming as that particle from God
14:28right here, down here in God's plan. God manifested himself. See, so that's the God particle that is
14:35supposedly in believers when they come to the earth. And this God particle is what makes you
14:41always saved in this minister's mind. And that's what he believed Branham taught.
14:47Brother Branham mentioned the same thing in 1964, identified Christ of all ages message. He said,
14:53so you see, the whole thing is God's become intangible. That on that great day is to come
14:58when Christ sits on the throne of David, reigns in the millennium, it's God tangible in the earth.
15:02He is now in you. You are his attributes. If you've got eternal life, your life always was.
15:09And you was in God's thinking. The color of hair, whatever you are, you was God's thinking,
15:15and you're just materialized. And that's what God was when he was materialized in Christ.
15:20God displayed, manifested in flesh in Christ. He become material, a God that we could touch.
15:26In Future Home, in 1964, he said, there's your holy convocation not have anything to do with
15:32literal things. It's beyond that. It's the kingdom of God with eternal life,
15:36with the predestinated that never did start. It never started on any day. You wasn't saved on
15:41any day. You was always saved. Amen. Jesus just come to redeem that. But you was always saved
15:48from the beginning because you had eternal life to begin with. Now, boy, what a statement.
15:53What does that do to the cross of Christ? If you didn't come into this world dead and you always
15:58were saved? You know, maybe potentially in God's thinking, when he chose once before the foundation
16:04of the world, as we're taught in the book of Ephesians, that, you know, potentially it was there.
16:10But you haven't even been created yet. You haven't even come into existence yet. And you didn't exist
16:15as material particles in God's mind at that time. But yet here he says, you always were saved.
16:21Now, that can't be true when the Bible says you were dead in sins and trespasses.
16:27So here's another one on thinking man's filter in 1965. It says, what made you desire it in the
16:33first place? Because down in your soul, there was a predestinated seed, which was eternal life.
16:37Always laying in there, always was in there. There isn't any of them going to be lost. All the
16:42Father has given me will come to me. In Works's Faith Express, 1965, he said, it's that inside soul
16:49that never dies. It's got eternal life. It always was eternal life. See, it come from God. It goes
16:55to God. It's the soul. So see, he's preaching some kind of message that says that you're a God-like
17:02particle coming down. And that's really what makes you God on earth and how you become little gods.
17:08And this whole teaching is buried in that very thing that we've been talking about for the last
17:13eight episodes here. Here's another one from another minister, not William Branham, but it's
17:17from his trusted theologian. And he preached a message called Godhead number eight, questions
17:24and answers. He said, now, all right, look at this fact now unto the king, eternal, immortal, invisible.
17:29And he made a son in his image. Get that? He made a son in his image. But Jesus wasn't made. He was
17:37actually eternal with God in the beginning, as John 1, 1 states. And so that son already
17:43was eternal. Not that he did not have a beginning with the eternality of God. He did have a beginning
17:49with the eternality of God, which was that life, the same as you and I have. That's why Brother
17:54Branham said, you'll come to a time when you realize you always were saved. Now remember, Brother
17:59Branham said, he did not lay aside that word body, but he had it and no doubt he brought it
18:04with him. But you and I did not have it. And another message and questions and answers on
18:10the Godhead, the same message minister spoke. He said, you are the righteous, sinless, perfect
18:16bride of the Lord Jesus Christ. And then he said, you didn't even do it. And he said, there
18:20come a day when you realize you always were saved, because he knew that people didn't understand
18:25seed. So see, that's where they base all their whole thinking from, is that you actually
18:31were physical, somehow material seeds in God in the beginning, which that made you actually
18:36a part of God. So when you came to this earth, you always were eternal life, you always were
18:41saved. And all you had to do was see the manifestation of William Branham's ministry in this day to
18:47become life. Whereas, totally contrary to the gospel, because the gospel teaching is that everybody
18:53comes to this earth, you know, dead in sins, lost and without God, without hope in this world.
18:59And it's only by hearing the gospel, believing by faith in Jesus Christ, that we're made alive
19:05at that time, and not before. So we didn't come to this earth with eternal life. We came
19:10to this earth in death because of the sin of Adam that was passed along to us. His imputed
19:15unrighteousness was passed on to us, just as Jesus' righteousness is now imputed to us.
19:21So in William Branham's mind, you know, once a person is saved, now we're getting on to
19:25this subject of adoption. Then he has to have the Holy Spirit to tutor him and examine him
19:32and report back to the Father. So it seems right there, William Branham's got a Trinitarianism
19:37thinking in his mind, and that's a real paradox for message believers to ponder on, because
19:41if that's what's really happening, then there's a Holy Spirit person of God down here looking
19:47at people's lives and reporting back to the Father God, another person of God, while the Son
19:52is sitting on the throne interceding for us on our behalf. So right there you've got
19:57Trinitarianism all wrapped up in William Branham's message, but he would flat out deny it. So William
20:03Branham's trying to give people something that excites them into thinking they're going to
20:07one day receive some great powers from God if they just behave a little correctly, and
20:12of course behave according to his message. You know, you women stay in line. You men have
20:17to believe everything I say and keep your women in line, that kind of thing. But this is
20:20what excites, you know, the NAR crowd on the other side, who don't have those restrictions,
20:25but they still take what he said as far as becoming gods, rulers on this earth, taking
20:30dominion. And that excites the Word of Faith movement, NAR crowd, because they want raw power,
20:36that's what they're after, and the freedom to use it. And this is also a gospel that relies
20:41on works. Only those believers who are doing the works that satisfy God will be adopted,
20:47because he said many won't receive their adoption. And I believe we know that God saves by grace
20:53through faith and not of works. So let's hear how William Branham teaches all this in a few
20:58quotes. In 1960 in the Adoption Series, he said, oh, that's my son, that's my boy. Well,
21:05you think he's mature? Yep, I sure do, said the Holy Spirit. Now this is the Father and the Holy
21:10Spirit talking. He said, I give him tests. Boy, I tried him this way, tried him that way. And he
21:15lists a whole bunch of things that he did to him, such as God did to Job one day. He said,
21:19oh, well, we ought to call him out somewhere to a little special place and have an adoption.
21:25And here he goes, continuing on this same sermon. How many knows that the adoption,
21:29that they adopted the son after he had proved to be, and he says, everybody that read the Bible
21:34placing of a son. Now God did the same thing to his son when he took Jesus up on the Mount
21:39Transfiguration. So here, William Branham has got Jesus having to work his way up to an adoption.
21:46And finally, he received an adoption when he got to Mount Transfiguration. But actually,
21:51Mount Transfiguration was never an adoption of any son. It was God showing forth his son
21:57as having supreme authority. And in his glorified state, which is what he was going to be in,
22:04you know, in the time to come. But William Branham spoke about adoption in the same manner,
22:08using these same type of quotes over 100 times from 1950 to 1962. And always referring to Mount
22:15Transfiguration as an adoption of Jesus, you know, when he was finally recognized as God's son,
22:20whether his name on the check was as good as the father's. And he relayed that as an example to us
22:26that one day, we're going to be adopted and our name is going to be as good on the check as the
22:31father's. So when we look into what Mount Transfiguration really was, it was not an adoption.
22:37And we've already seen how William Branham tried to take some of the Roman customs and construct
22:43his Bible doctrine out of them. And I would say this, if Branham's teaching does not fit,
22:49we must omit and humbly admit and ultimately submit to the Word of God.
22:54Darrell Bock And there's very little that I could add to
22:56that except for the difference between what developed from this framework and the submitting
23:01to the Word of God that you're talking about.
23:03Darrell Bock In the framework that Branham was building, it wasn't a submission to the
23:08Word of God. In fact, if you talk to almost any Branhamite, if you show them clearly here
23:13is what the Bible says and here is what Branham says, and if they're in disagreement, they will
23:20choose what Branham says over what the Bible says. Almost every single person that I've encountered
23:25with any type of question, that's what they do. Why is that? Because the pyramid structure that
23:31he had created as this foundation was such that the spoken word actually had priority over the
23:37written word. It's new revelation, new manna, fresh manna. There's different words that Branham used
23:43and there's different words that charismatics, new apostolic reformation people who built on this
23:47framework are using. But essentially it means this, it doesn't matter what the Bible says.
23:53It's more about what the apostle or prophet says because they're getting the fresh new manna and
23:58that is for our word for today. The Bible, the written word, was the word of yesterday. It was
24:03for different ages. Branham was a dispensationalist and he separated, he added to the book of Revelation
24:11and changed where it says seven churches of Asia or seven churches, which was the churches of Asia
24:17Minor. He would say they were church ages instead. So he added the word ages and he would say things
24:23like the gospel for Moses, which clearly, you know, as he's talking about this, clearly he doesn't
24:30understand what the gospel is. The gospel for Moses day won't work in Paul's day. The gospel for Paul's
24:35day won't work in our day. Well, what does work? The word, the fresh manna from the prophet. That's
24:40what he's trying to say. So from this theology and from this platform was built the idea that
24:47if you have an apostle or prophet and they are the ones who are your supernatural authority in your
24:53church, it is their word that you're submitting to, not the written word. So there's a big,
24:59big difference. And in that difference is a lot of danger. Have you ever wondered how the
25:04Pentecostal movement started or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the
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26:01You know, the Transfiguration was not an adoption at all, but it was rather, it was a vision of Jesus's
26:07future divine glory and a confirmation of his identity as God's son to those disciples that
26:13were with him. It was revealed by a heavenly voice. You know, the event which featured Jesus
26:17surrounded by Old Testament figures of Moses and Elijah, it just served to strengthen the
26:22disciples' faith before his upcoming death and passion that he had to go through. But what the
26:29Transfiguration was not, it was not an adoption because adoption does not even fit the event that
26:35happened there. It was just a demonstration of Jesus' divinity and his prefigurement of his
26:41resurrection and glorification in heaven, as we mentioned. The Transfiguration of Jesus as
26:47described in the New Testament is not typically interpreted in mainstream theology as an adoption
26:53of Jesus by God by anybody. The event is seen as a revelation of his divine glory,
26:58foreshadowing his resurrection, affirming his identity as the Messiah. But in the Christian
27:04theology, you know, the idea of adoption, the concept of Jesus being adopted of God's son,
27:11this comes from an ancient heresy, and it's called adoptionism or dynamic monarchianism.
27:18It suggested that Jesus was a human who was eventually elevated or adopted by God at a specific
27:23point in his life, sometimes linked to his baptism, transfiguration, or resurrection. Now, that's what we've
27:29been saying all along. The first minister we ever quoted here that preached a series on the Godhead
27:33said that God did not indwell Jesus until his baptism. And that's part of this same heresy
27:40called adoptionism because his adoption in that minister's mind was only linked to the baptism.
27:46In William Branham's mind, the adoption was linked to transfiguration. In other ministers' minds,
27:52who I've not heard of in the message, but it's linked to the resurrection. But it's all that same
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