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John and John McKinnon discuss how William Branham’s interpretation of the seventy disciples diverged from the biblical timeline and meaning, using it to explain away declining popularity in his ministry. They trace how Branham misrepresented Scripture, particularly conflating John 6’s “falling away” with Luke 10’s commissioning of the seventy, despite the events being separated by multiple milestones in the Gospels. This distortion, they argue, was used to frame followers leaving as spiritually deficient, reinforcing cult control. They also connect Branham’s teaching to his broader pattern of self-promotion, doctrinal exclusivity, and fear-based manipulation, which laid groundwork for later movements like the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).
They highlight how this flawed foundation enabled later leaders to combine out-of-context verses with claimed personal revelations, producing a “new gospel” that justified personal agendas. The conversation links Branham’s methods to the political and theological aims of the NAR, including the Seven Mountain Mandate. Both hosts emphasize the danger of building doctrines on misused Scripture, noting that such distortions have reached into politics, church leadership models, and modern charismatic movements, leaving Christians unaware their beliefs may rest on non-biblical foundations.
00:00 Introduction
01:21 The Seventy Disciples in Branham’s Doctrine
02:44 Twisting Scripture for Authority
05:46 Supernatural Claims and Exaggerations
07:25 Cult Dynamics and Control
10:02 The Struggle to Maintain Influence
12:26 Branham’s Lack of Biblical Understanding
20:14 Retaliation Against Pentecostal Critics
22:02 Timeline of the Gospels vs. Branham’s Misuse
25:20 The Cult Control Mechanism of “Us vs. Them”
27:28 Feeding of the 5,000 as a Timeline Marker
29:04 Defection of Disciples in John 6
31:28 Commissioning of the Seventy in Luke 10
33:10 Names Written in Heaven vs. Branham’s Twist
35:10 The Roller Coaster Analogy: False Foundations
37:02 Fear of Losing One’s Name from the Book of Life
42:14 Creation of a “New Gospel”
45:02 Building Authoritarian Structures
47:01 Priming Followers for the “Elijah Leader”
50:06 From Branhamism to Political Dominion
52:08 Roots of the Seven Mountain Mandate
54:39 Covering Up Doctrinal Histories
55:23 The Critical Question: Is This Really Christianity?
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They highlight how this flawed foundation enabled later leaders to combine out-of-context verses with claimed personal revelations, producing a “new gospel” that justified personal agendas. The conversation links Branham’s methods to the political and theological aims of the NAR, including the Seven Mountain Mandate. Both hosts emphasize the danger of building doctrines on misused Scripture, noting that such distortions have reached into politics, church leadership models, and modern charismatic movements, leaving Christians unaware their beliefs may rest on non-biblical foundations.
00:00 Introduction
01:21 The Seventy Disciples in Branham’s Doctrine
02:44 Twisting Scripture for Authority
05:46 Supernatural Claims and Exaggerations
07:25 Cult Dynamics and Control
10:02 The Struggle to Maintain Influence
12:26 Branham’s Lack of Biblical Understanding
20:14 Retaliation Against Pentecostal Critics
22:02 Timeline of the Gospels vs. Branham’s Misuse
25:20 The Cult Control Mechanism of “Us vs. Them”
27:28 Feeding of the 5,000 as a Timeline Marker
29:04 Defection of Disciples in John 6
31:28 Commissioning of the Seventy in Luke 10
33:10 Names Written in Heaven vs. Branham’s Twist
35:10 The Roller Coaster Analogy: False Foundations
37:02 Fear of Losing One’s Name from the Book of Life
42:14 Creation of a “New Gospel”
45:02 Building Authoritarian Structures
47:01 Priming Followers for the “Elijah Leader”
50:06 From Branhamism to Political Dominion
52:08 Roots of the Seven Mountain Mandate
54:39 Covering Up Doctrinal Histories
55:23 The Critical Question: Is This Really Christianity?
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
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00:30Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:41at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKinnon,
00:47the author of The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
00:53John, it's good to be back, and I just want to say I'm a little excited for this episode.
00:58You pick the topic, and I don't think anybody really has been talking about this.
01:03This is so critical when you think of the church today, you think of the way that things have
01:09progressed from Branhamism into many of the different splinter groups and eventually to
01:14the NAR.
01:15You don't really think about this specific subject.
01:19And today we're talking about the 70 disciples, which if you're a Christian, you know the
01:24passage, you know what it means, you know everything about it.
01:28However, in the latter reign and post-World War II healing revivals, when Branham was laying
01:33down his doctrine, it had a different meaning.
01:37It had a completely different context than what other Christians can, and the Bible, says.
01:43It's a completely different meaning that he took from it.
01:48And where it gets critical is, if you understand what he's doing, and you think of the architecture
01:53that he's laying down as the foundation that eventually would develop into the NAR, this
01:59is the foundation that keeps people in a cult.
02:02They're trapped in a cult.
02:04And yet, you look at many of the different ministries that are out there today, and you
02:09see the way that they all describe there's going to be this great falling away, or in
02:15the message we said there would be the squeeze, whatever it is.
02:18You're going to have this opposition rising, and you're going to see people leaving our
02:22cult.
02:22What do we do when people leave our cult?
02:25Well, in Branhamism, you turn it into a doctrine, and you take a passage of Scripture, and you rip
02:31it out of its context.
02:32And that's what we're getting into today.
02:34John, we have an exciting show today, and what we discuss will tie into several things
02:40and tie several things together in the message and also the New Apostolic Reformation.
02:46Again, we're going to show another example of how William Branham twisted and misrepresented
02:51the Scriptures just to suit his own purposes.
02:54And we'll also show how he evolved this belief over time using the same Scriptures and how
03:00this one scriptural passage evolved and was used to support his manifested sons of God
03:05theology, and also support who he believed was going to be in the bride and who was not
03:13going to be in the bride and so forth.
03:15So he really, and that's what we find him doing time and time again is just misrepresenting
03:20Scripture to teach the core beliefs that he really held to.
03:25So there are many ways to look at the ministry of William Branham, you know, depending on how
03:28long you've studied it, you know, and this is just one picture of it over time.
03:33You know, you begin to see the big picture, and then you put all those little pieces of
03:37the puzzle together from the real history that you and Charles and others and myself have
03:42dug up, and that's not known by the believers of the message.
03:47Then it paints a much different picture.
03:49And in fact, I believe it paints a very dark picture of the whole thing.
03:53The whole movement really becomes tainted, as we see clearly, you know, how people who
03:59have come in contact with Branhamism or William Branham and his ministry while he was alive,
04:04they got inspiration or got their inspiration from him, and then how they launch out into
04:09their own ministries and doing much of the same things he did, just sometimes in little
04:14different ways.
04:16And in fact, most of them do misinterpret Scriptures.
04:19They only use as much as the Bible that will support the movement that they're in.
04:25They point to themselves as God's great man of the hour, woman of the hour, and they also
04:30are giving out to the people that they're some special teacher and that listening to what
04:35they say alone will lead them to the promised land.
04:39So they all have this inner desire, I believe, that they want followers.
04:44And, you know, Branham was no different in that respect.
04:46I believe he truly wanted, you know, a core group of followers.
04:49He really wanted the whole Christian world if he could get them under his wing.
04:52But he took what he could get out of his ministry.
04:58He wanted those followers that were true believers and lieutenants, you know, in his message to
05:03serve him, you know, while he gave them the pretense that they were really serving Christ,
05:08you know, by serving him.
05:09So he accomplished this, you know, carefully giving out lots of lip service to how true
05:15the Bible was.
05:17He always did that.
05:19And I'm sure he probably believed that.
05:22But then how much of what he followed, what the Scriptures said was something else.
05:27He kept saying, well, I only follow what the Scriptures say.
05:29I only taught what Paul preached.
05:31So he gave a lot of lip service to that.
05:34And he also pointed out how much his ministry lines up with Scriptures entirely.
05:39And even now by vision in this, in his late 1950s or so, he had a vision of the bride and
05:48how the people said they were resting on what he preached and his theology.
05:53And so now he had a vision, you know, confirming that he was teaching exactly the same thing Paul
05:58taught.
05:58But, you know, as we do a careful analysis of his ministry, I believe it proves the exact
06:04opposite of what true Christianity is.
06:07You know, no matter how much acting you're able to do, how much supernatural you're able
06:12to have in your ministry, how much lip service you even give to the Bible, and how much use
06:19it to try to support your beliefs.
06:21You know, what happens when the real challenge comes is that that really proves what the
06:28message really is.
06:30You know, and when the message is challenged, you know, it just can't withstand it, comparing
06:36it to Scriptures.
06:37And then as we're showing it here in these podcasts, it just cannot withstand the challenges
06:41on what qualifies a person to even be a prophet.
06:44And it cannot withstand even the common challenges on what claim was actually took place in the
06:50ministry, such as raising people from the dead or even healing the sick.
06:54And we find many of those claims, you know, just were not well founded.
06:59And they were just exaggerated quite a bit.
07:03We're talking about supernatural claims also, such as the cloud that we've had the episode
07:08on recently, and about how they would pronounce massive amounts of people healed, you know,
07:13which were not.
07:15People even pronounced healed with, thus saith the Lord.
07:18And many of those even failed, and many of those died as a result.
07:23But what I believe has been done by, through this movement, we call the message, is that it's
07:28created a deceptive movement, and it's created a platform, you know, for the other movements
07:34and many movements to come, both within the message, created multiple sects of the message,
07:40and also, as well as outside in the broader charismatic world, you know, in creating this
07:44new apostolic reformation.
07:46It kind of laid the foundation and the groundwork so that that could be produced.
07:53And that's a lot of the fruit that came out of it, because, you know, one man here was
07:58proclaiming himself to be something.
07:59And he really paved the way to show how getting a following can be done, and how you can present
08:07yourself in such a way as to make people believe you.
08:11You know, there's always men and women with aspirations who have seen the potential in
08:17using Christianity to defer to their goals.
08:19We even saw that in Scripture.
08:20Simon the sorcerer, he saw how the apostles were working, and he also offered them money,
08:28you know, so that he could do that same work that they were doing.
08:31You know, he saw Christianity only as a way to use it to further his own goals of trying
08:35to bewitch the people.
08:37And these people have also done the same thing.
08:39You know, they don't really have the gospel in mind, and they don't have a good handle on
08:43the Scripture, except what they've been fed by their mentors, you know, and who are doing
08:49the same thing that they are, same thing William Branham did.
08:52He had mentors.
08:53He mentored a lot of people, but they ended up going off in all kinds of different ways,
08:58you know, doing basically the same thing he did, just in much different ways.
09:03But once they become popular among the people, then they usually get worse over time, and
09:07either they follow into the idolatry of money or moral failures or even the idolatry of self
09:16and self-aggrandizement, you know, building up their own selves in front of the people.
09:21And the worst of this probably is that they are self-deceived.
09:26You know, most probably don't even know that they're self-deceived, and they believe in
09:30themselves so strongly that all that energy they have in themselves transfers to the congregation,
09:36and then they become deceived into listening to them.
09:40That's exactly basically what happened in William Branham's ministry.
09:43And that's one of the things that William Branham did.
09:46He really believed, I think, that he was the last great prophet of the day, and his private
09:52study of Scripture, you know, without the proper guidance, really carried him down a
09:56dark path that led to this error.
09:58It did.
09:58And, you know, it's one of the topics that Bob Scott and I have been talking about in
10:02the series that we're doing.
10:03You can only be at that superior level for so long and keep the people excited for so long
10:10until people just get tired of it.
10:12You always have to have something new.
10:14You always have to have a means to control them, to manipulate them.
10:17And what happens when you're in that type of environment?
10:20It's a very high intensity.
10:23You're constantly trying to keep yourself in this emotional state of being that people
10:28just simply get worn out.
10:29That's why they look really tired.
10:32A lot of them look sickly when you look at a person who's in a cult.
10:35It's because mentally they are so exhausted from all of this.
10:40And what happens is there are people who will, quote unquote, fall away.
10:45And every cult leader knows it.
10:47It's the cult leader's biggest enemy because when people start to leave with them, leaves
10:51their tithe.
10:52And, you know, that's essentially what it is.
10:55With Branham, you know, a lot of people will say that he didn't have a lot of money.
10:59He wasn't after money.
11:00And that may be true.
11:01He did have millions of dollars when he died, even though, you know, most of the cult would
11:07say that he didn't have two pennies to scrape together.
11:09According to Sarah Branham, he died with millions.
11:11So there is a money aspect, but there's something else with regards to a cult leader.
11:16It's not just the money.
11:18They feed upon having people who will worship and adore them.
11:23And they, as narcissists, they love to take the body of people and put people against people.
11:30And that's what this doctrine does.
11:32You start thinking, well, there's going to be this great falling away.
11:34Who is it?
11:35Is it the person next to me?
11:36What if the family, that family over there, they're not obeying the cult rules or
11:41whatever, and you start to develop what's like, I hate to use the phrase because in
11:47today's world it's ruined, but it almost starts to a witch hunt because people will
11:51start to look at other people.
11:53They start watching other people in some extreme cases.
11:56They even start reporting on what other people are doing because they're the ones who are
12:00going to fall away.
12:01And that's, that's literally what this does.
12:04The problem with Branham, once he got to a certain level, not only was he struggling to
12:10keep the cult intact, he was getting turned away left and right because people were recognizing
12:15that he was trying to be a Bible teacher and he wasn't.
12:19He had no idea of what was in the Bible.
12:21As we'll get into the 70 disciple topic that we're getting into today, you'll just see that
12:27he had no clue.
12:29He, he took a phrase out of context from one book and ignored the entire rest of the gospels
12:33to do it.
12:34And so the church was falling away from Branham with them came a lot of his cult members were
12:41just leaving.
12:42And you have to have a response to this.
12:44The natural cult response is to attack the people leaving rather than try to change and,
12:51and attract people to stay.
12:52And that's what we're seeing here.
12:54You know, that's so true, uh, John, as we go through this, uh, we, as we said before,
13:00you know, the popularity of William Branham began to wane around 1953 and, and kept continuing
13:05to be on the downslide.
13:08Um, he began to really push his life story a lot and the visitation of the angel to really
13:14try to support, you know, his, uh, supernatural claims.
13:18And I want to send a, uh, read a quote here in his life story that he spoke.
13:24And this was in 1955 and January 17th, how the angel came to him.
13:29And he's referring to the picture that was taken in Houston, uh, when he's talking about
13:35this quote.
13:36And he's also taught, saying some of the things that the angel was telling him and, um, and
13:41how, how, what this, this meeting with this angel has now will lead into what we're talking
13:47to today.
13:47So he said, as he was meeting that angel up there, he said, then that night up there,
13:53when I, he referred to that, talking about the angel referred to that, I asked him, and
13:57he's talking about the supernatural things he was doing in his younger life.
14:00He said, I asked him, I said, well, why is it that all mediums and things like that?
14:04And then devil possessed people always tell me about it.
14:07And the clergy, my brethren tell me this of the evil spirit.
14:11He said, now listen to what he said.
14:13He's talking about the angel, this one who is hanging over there in the picture.
14:16And, you know, he puts some emphasis on that picture and the, what we call the pillar of
14:21fire over his head and which we've shown that, you know, it's a light hanging in the Houston
14:27Coliseum that the camera, uh, took the picture of it.
14:30The light did strike the lens, but as we've seen over the heads of other people, including
14:35the Beatles and other people in Houston Coliseum, uh, the same lights also appeared over their
14:42heads.
14:42And in fact, their pictures are much greater than the one that, that William Branham had
14:47because their lights is much brighter and there's several pillars of fire over their
14:52heads.
14:52So, uh, but he, he's referring to that being the angel.
14:55And he said, as it was then, so it is now he began to refer to me that, you know, when
15:00the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ began to take place, the minister said he was Beelzebub.
15:04So he said, they get so sour down on theology.
15:08We don't know nothing about the spirit.
15:10He said, I hope you love me after this, but that's what it is.
15:13I mean, Pentecost too.
15:14And he's talking about personal contact face to face.
15:17That's what you need.
15:19So William Branham was all about the supernatural, about having experiences with, with God and
15:25not even considering what the word says.
15:27You know, in fact, he would, he would capitalize on the, on the spiritual experiences way above
15:32the word.
15:33And we find him doing that over and over again.
15:36And he just said that the ministry misunderstood it.
15:39And he says, well, what about these things that happened to me?
15:41And he says, you see that I'm multiplying it greater and greater.
15:44And he said, and he referred to me, the angel referred to him, telling me how Jesus did it.
15:49How did he come?
15:50How he was possessed with a power that could afford no things until the woman at the well
15:55claim not to be a healer, claim to do those things, just as the father showed him.
16:00And he said, what kind of spirit would that be?
16:02That would be the Holy Spirit.
16:04So, so William Branham may have been doing some things he was doing by the Holy Spirit,
16:09but that did not mean that he was a great prophet of God for this age with a message,
16:14of course.
16:14And of course, the angel was telling him it was the Holy Spirit doing it, and he was possessed
16:19with a power to do it.
16:20And then he realized that that's what God brought him there for.
16:26Now, listen to what he says next.
16:28And this is where he indicates to me that he says he's going to ignore what anybody else
16:35says and just interpret scripture the way he wants to.
16:38He says, and I realized that it was just like those Pharisees in the days gone by.
16:42They had misinterpreted the scripture to me.
16:45So from then on, I took my own interpretation of it.
16:50Now, that's a pretty pointed statement there.
16:53He, he got fed up with all the people telling him it was this or that, and he shouldn't be
16:57going after those things that he was doing.
17:00And then he said, so from then on, I took my own interpretation of it.
17:04But he adds after that, because realizing that he couldn't just say, well, I'm going
17:08to interpret the scripture the way I want to.
17:10He also said what the Holy Spirit said.
17:12But so he's claiming that, well, I'm only going to take interpretation based on what
17:16the Holy Spirit says.
17:18So, and then he said he went home a new person after that.
17:21Now, what we see happening in William Brown's movement during this time and now even during
17:27the New Apostolic Reformation is the misrepresentation of scriptures to suit your own purpose.
17:32You know, once he had settled in his mind that I'm not listening to anyone, but what I think
17:38the interpretation of scriptures is, that opened the door to where we're seeing he's going
17:42to lead to today and everything we've been talking about so far in our podcast.
17:48And the passage in the Gospels is what we're going to focus on today.
17:52And there is a specific passage that speaks about 70 disciples that received the power
17:58from Jesus to go out and heal the sick.
18:00And the way William Brown interpreted that and the way he spun that to try to make it look
18:06like it related to his ministry is kind of amazing.
18:09And it's very deceptive.
18:11And we're going to go through that in detail.
18:13But that's a huge example of William Brown using the scriptures to support his claims.
18:18The 70 disciples that Jesus commissioned was used to support the reasons he was losing
18:23popularity among the church world.
18:26He didn't focus on the fact that he just displayed to the world a false prophecy in his
18:30failed India trip for which he took up offerings all across the United States.
18:34So in 1952, we know, and we'll go through this vision later on, that he had this vision
18:39of going to India or Africa and how 300,000 souls will be saved.
18:44Right after that, he went throughout the United States, prophesying it, saying it was,
18:47thus saith the Lord, collecting offerings everywhere he went.
18:50And we can show that on tape where he solicited offerings, you know, to help with this trip.
18:57Well, just after that, you know, that prophecy didn't come to pass as he expected it to.
19:02And so then what he did after that, after the people started leaving him right after that,
19:07he started twisting the scriptures to use it as a false type, you know, why people were
19:12really leaving the message and telling that to his core believers.
19:16He was liking himself to even Jesus and tried to make it similar as to why people were not
19:22believing his message, because he was here bringing the word as Jesus brought the word
19:26and people didn't believe Jesus.
19:27So therefore, he's doing like Jesus did and people don't believe him.
19:31So they're leaving him.
19:33He either just convinced himself that was it just to, so he wouldn't have to measure up to what,
19:39you know, people were asking him to do.
19:41And that's come back to the scriptures and stop teaching it wrongly and even stop being a teacher
19:46altogether.
19:46So I don't know whether he honestly didn't understand the scriptures or whether or not
19:52he did or didn't.
19:54He certainly intentionally used this tactic, though, to show how people were once his staunchest
19:59believers could fall away from his teaching.
20:03He used it to blame the Pentecostals for leaving him in his message.
20:06And he was all the while claiming to have a true word, true interpretation and true vindication.
20:14And but the Pentecostal world really started seeing through the facade.
20:17And once he saw this happening, his only course of action was to retaliate and to find some
20:22reason behind their leaving.
20:24He refused to be corrected at this point.
20:26Even Gordon Lindsay, you know, said later years that William Brenham had told him he wanted
20:30to teach and all his managers were warning him not to teach, but he was too stubborn.
20:34And he pushed that agenda anyway.
20:36So here's where I get to put on my theology hat for a moment.
20:40I'm I've mentioned before, I'm not a preacher.
20:43I don't try to be.
20:44I try to avoid theology in the podcast, if at all possible, and stick with the history.
20:49However, there are times whenever history does align with Bible text.
20:54And that's what we have here.
20:56I, you know, I again, I'm not a theologian.
20:59I don't try to be.
21:00But I have read the Bible many, many times.
21:02And when you read the Bible and you understand what is being said, a common non-theologian
21:09person like myself can understand many things that are in there without diving into the
21:14theology.
21:15My son, who, you know, younger son could read the Bible and he can understand more than
21:20William Brenham, interestingly, just by reading it.
21:23And whenever you get into topics like this, where William Brenham is taking a Bible verse
21:30and he's ripping it out of context to a person who's never read the Bible, that kind of works.
21:35But to a person who has read and you say something that defies the rest of the Bible in plain text,
21:42you don't have to be a theologian.
21:44And what we're talking about here is there are milestones in history given in the Gospels.
21:50Whenever an event happens, it might only mention that event in one Gospel.
21:55But then the next event happens and that next event might be mentioned in another Gospel.
22:01And then you can align those two timelines.
22:02So what we're talking about here, Brenham decided to use the—there was a defection of
22:10people who were with Jesus that happened in John 6, and Brenham wanted to use that to whip
22:16his congregation and say that some of you are going to leave me and be afraid.
22:22That's essentially what was happening here.
22:24But then what he tried to do is tie that to a different verse that doesn't fit in the timeline.
22:30It doesn't line up.
22:31He's trying to say that there were the appointed people, and of the chosen ones, which is what
22:37he was trying to say, there was a great falling away, and that's how he applied it to his cult.
22:43But if you line up all of the timelines, in John 6, there was the defection, like he said,
22:49but the sequence goes like this first.
22:52Jesus sends out the twelve, and all four Gospels record the feeding of five thousand, so you
22:57can align that point in the timeline.
23:01And then there's this point at which many disciples leave.
23:04That's what he's talking about in John—I think it's John 6.
23:08And then Jesus addresses only the twelve when he's talking to them.
23:13But you have other events that follow, like Peter's confession, the transfiguration, etc.
23:19And only after all of those events—and I think it's Luke, maybe Luke 10—at that point,
23:26Jesus appoints the seventy who return with joy.
23:29So you had the great falling away, several events, and then the seventy come back filled
23:36with joy.
23:37There isn't a falling away of the chosen ones, but that's what he tried to do.
23:42Now, fast forward to today's world, once you lay the framework where it is an us-versus-them
23:50mentality—that's what Branham is trying to do here—and of the us, we can't trust ourselves
23:56because some of us are not going to stick with us.
23:59Some of us are going to fall away.
24:01That is the clear definition of how to control your cult.
24:05Whenever people leave, you don't want the other people to ask questions as to why they
24:10leave.
24:10Instead, what you want to do is you attack those who are leaving because you're—it's
24:16an us-versus-them scenario.
24:18Once they leave, they're no longer of us.
24:21They become them.
24:22And them are bad in a cult.
24:25So that's why when somebody asks a question and they leave, instantly they are—they're
24:32the brunt of brutal attacks from the pulpit.
24:35That's essentially what happens.
24:37And that's what's going on here.
24:38Branham ripped a verse out of context.
24:40It doesn't line up if you read the Gospels.
24:43And I have come to the strong conclusion after studying Branham for many, many years at this
24:49point.
24:50He had never read the Gospels.
24:52I do not think he had read them.
24:54If he did, he purposefully lied about what they said.
24:58So that's my conclusion.
25:01But the way in which that developed into the NAR is interesting because if he didn't read
25:06them and he laid down all this groundwork of theology, think of all of the ministries
25:11that were built on top of this, built on something that wasn't even the Bible.
25:15It was literally built upon the foundations of what it takes to make a destructive cult.
25:21So, John, you had to carry on with how William Branham, once he started, people started leaving
25:26him.
25:27He had to come up with some reasons why, you know, scripturally, well, why are these people
25:32leaving me?
25:32And it's got to be because I'm teaching the truth.
25:35And just as Jesus taught the truth and they left him, well, I'm doing the same thing and
25:40they're leaving me.
25:40And we'll find out in later episodes what this real truth really was that he was teaching.
25:47And it all has to do with, you know, the manifest sons of God theology.
25:50It all has to do with Christ coming down and manifesting himself in a man that the people
25:56now believe is God himself in a human body.
25:59So, and that gets very dangerous as well.
26:03So what we're talking about refers back to Luke chapter 9, where he gave power to the
26:1012 apostles.
26:11Now, he did that first.
26:14And then the amazing thing, and it serves as like a time piece for the gospels, is that
26:20all four gospel accounts now in Luke 9, 10 and Matthew 14, 13 and Mark 6, 30 and John 6,
26:281, they all refer to the feeding of the 5,000.
26:32So we read in Luke 9, 10, it says, when the apostles returned, they gave an account of him
26:37of all they had done.
26:37And that was after he had given power to them, taking them with him, he withdrew himself to
26:42a city called Bethsaida.
26:44And John 6, 1 records this, it says, after these things, Jesus went away to the other side
26:49of the Sea of Galilee or Tiberias.
26:52So each of the gospel writers are saying this in a little different way, but the Sea of
26:58Galilee was also called Lake Tiberias, Gennesaret Lake, or Kinneret Lake.
27:05It's a freshwater lake in Israel.
27:08And of course, Jesus was calling his 12 apostles aside just to, you know, get away and rest for
27:16a while, and then the multitude saw them going out.
27:21So they were heading, you know, toward Bethsaida.
27:25And they called him there when he got off the boat.
27:28And so Jesus having compassion on the multitude, you know, basically taught them and then eventually
27:33fed the multitude.
27:34So that miraculous event is recorded in all four gospels, serves as a marker of the timeline.
27:42And we see that as John 6 is when this happens, John 6, 1 to 14.
27:48And this is way before the 70 disciples were commissioned.
27:53It's a long time before the scriptures that William Branham has used to show that people
27:58are moving away from Jesus, which is in John 6, 66, as we'll see.
28:02But right after this feeding miracle, you know, Jesus sends them disciples out on a boat, and
28:08then he walks on water and gets in the boat with his disciples.
28:12And the people met him on the other side, and they wondered how he got there, because they
28:18were still seeking Jesus, and they didn't realize that he had walked on water and got
28:21on the disciples' boat to the other side.
28:24So Jesus, of course, meeting them.
28:27They were near Capernaum.
28:28So it says that he went into a synagogue in Capernaum and taught the people.
28:35And this is where, this is right after the feeding of the 5,000, he had gotten in the
28:39boat.
28:39Disciples had gone across.
28:41He had gotten in the boat with them.
28:42The people met him.
28:44And then he goes into Capernaum to teach them in the synagogues.
28:48Now, while he's teaching them, he's speaking on the bread of life and how he's the bread from
28:51heaven and how he said, except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood,
28:56you have no life in you.
28:58Now, this is the time that in John 6, 66, where it's recorded that some of the disciples
29:04fell away.
29:05In fact, in John 6, 60, it says, when many of his disciples heard it, they said, this
29:12is a hard saying.
29:13Who can listen to it?
29:15And it says, after this, many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.
29:20So, Jesus also said to the 12, do you also want to go away as well?
29:26Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go?
29:28You have the words of eternal life.
29:31So, let's remember what's happening here.
29:33This is well before the 70 disciples were even commissioned in Luke, because Luke, all
29:39four Gospels have recorded this miracle.
29:42And so, right after that is when we see these events happening that John records.
29:45And then we see the disciples that leave Jesus.
29:49Now, the disciples couldn't leave Jesus at this time because they weren't even commissioned
29:53yet.
29:54But remember what the word disciple means, and we went over this in the last episode, I
29:58believe.
29:59It can mean a true follower of Jesus Christ.
30:02It can also mean a borderline follower of Jesus.
30:04But it really is just a learner.
30:07It's a follower of any certain teacher.
30:09You can be called a disciple of John.
30:11You can be a disciple of Apollos.
30:13You can be a disciple of anyone.
30:16It's a follower, but not necessarily a true believer.
30:19And it doesn't mean you're born again.
30:20It doesn't mean you're a Christian.
30:22And that's why William Branham's assertion that the 70 walked away after Jesus said,
30:28except you eat my flesh, is really contrary to Scripture, because it wasn't even in the
30:32timeline.
30:33But it was just a simple way for Branham to just try to parallel his ministry with Jesus
30:38and provide a justification to the people for leaving him because he claimed to be preaching
30:43truth.
30:46You know, Matthew, if you go to Matthew 16, Mark 8 and Luke 9, this was even before the
30:5270 disciples.
30:54It records Jesus of asking, who do men say that I am?
30:56And that's where you get Peter's, you know, great profession that thou art the Christ.
31:02And Luke 9, 27, Mark and Matthew all say this, some will not taste death till they see the
31:09kingdom of God come with power.
31:11And then right after that, you have Peter's confession, you know, thou art the Christ.
31:15Of course, he'd already said that.
31:17And then you have the transfiguration, you know, right after that.
31:19And that's still before the 70 were commissioned.
31:24So, and that's in Luke 9, 28, when the transfiguration occurred.
31:28And then we come to Luke 10.
31:30And this is where the 70 were commissioned.
31:32Luke actually says 72.
31:34But it says, after this, in Luke 10, 1, after this, the Lord appointed 72 others and sent
31:39them on ahead of him two by two into every town and place where he himself was about to
31:45go.
31:46And he said to them, the harvest is plentiful, but the labors are few.
31:49Heal the sick and say to them, the kingdom of God has come near to you.
31:54So, so we see that Jesus was going down toward the end of his ministry and all these great
31:59things that happened.
32:00And now he's commissioning others to carry his message forth.
32:05And, but, but William Branham wants to use this story and go back to John 6, 66 to say
32:11that the 70 disciples were there and they were the ones that left him.
32:15But I say that's impossible because listen to what Jesus says to the disciples.
32:21When they come back in Luke 10, 17, it said the 72 return with joy saying, Lord, even the
32:27demons are subject to us in your name.
32:29In verse 20, he said, nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject
32:35to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
32:40You know, in that same hour, he rejoiced in the spirit.
32:42Holy spirit said, father, I thank you, Lord of heaven and earth.
32:45You hid these things for the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children.
32:48And then turning to his disciples, he said privately, blessed are your eyes that you see, for I tell
32:54you that many prophets and kings desire to see what you see and did not see it and hear
32:58what you hear and did not hear it.
33:00So we see John, Jesus emphatically says their names are written in heaven.
33:05And I'm fixing to go into a few details about that as well.
33:08I know it's overused, but a lot of people use the analogy of building a house.
33:12And whenever they're talking about people who are going all different directions and
33:16trying to build the house, the house can't stand.
33:20It just falls.
33:21But this is different.
33:22This is laying down the foundation for what would develop into the charismatic movement,
33:26eventually the NAR.
33:27This is more like a roller coaster.
33:29If you have a person who is building the very foundation for that roller coaster and doesn't
33:35understand the architecture, hasn't read, in our case, hasn't read the Bible, doesn't
33:40understand what's in them, and just starts building in one direction.
33:43And then people come trying to build on top of it.
33:46If the foundation is false, you can't really trust what is built on top of it.
33:51It turns into a big, big mess.
33:54And more than that, it becomes dangerous.
33:56And if you look at the fruits of Branham's ministry, look at all of the different splinter
34:00groups and cults, some of them benign, some of them who actually have committed suicide
34:05in the name of their group.
34:07We have all different arrays of what can happen if you build on top of Branham's foundation.
34:13So in a roller coaster like this, you just simply wouldn't want to get on it.
34:17However, because it has been, it's almost become mainstream.
34:22Some of the things that Branham has taught has almost made it into mainstream Christianity
34:27because it is so widespread adopted.
34:31So many people have adopted it that it has become common.
34:34And they don't really realize that the roots of that doctrine came from a foundation that
34:40was from a man who literally had not read the book.
34:43So when you're on a roller coaster like this, you don't know where it's headed.
34:48You don't know if it's going to stand.
34:49You don't know if you're going to die.
34:51You could die.
34:52And it turns into this ride that you don't want to be on in the first place.
34:56But with the doctrine twisted, like he said, people who are on the roller coaster who realize
35:02and recognize, hey, this thing's swaying.
35:04There's something wrong here.
35:06They don't understand that the foundation was false to begin with.
35:09But they're being taught that anybody who gets off the roller coaster to safety are the
35:14bad guys, not the person who built the roller coaster.
35:17So this turns into a ride that, quite frankly, I don't want to get on.
35:21So yeah, John, I tell you, this is a wild ride.
35:24And you could just take any of, say, Branham's messages and go through line by line and how
35:30he taught scripture.
35:31Many of those, of course, correspond with scripture.
35:35But you can find some real things in there that he said that just were contrary.
35:39So this is just another teaching.
35:42There's actually another teaching that he espoused,
35:44and other than his 70 disciples teaching, that's extremely contrary.
35:48But it was kind of, it was based off the 70 disciples.
35:51It was based on how he construed that.
35:54But it's extremely contrary to scriptures and the gospel.
35:57And I can't get into really all the details of it today, but we'll show it later on.
36:01But this teaching of him claiming that the 70 disciples turned away from Jesus after Jesus
36:08had proclaimed their names were already in heaven written is at the very heart of this false
36:13teaching, which I'm about to say.
36:15You know, Branham began to separate his movement so much from mainstream Christianity to really
36:21prove his teaching was different, and that really only a very small group will hold on
36:25to what he teaches.
36:27And that he also now begins to introduce this teaching to say, to have to say that people
36:32with their names in the book of life can be removed.
36:36You know, he's instilling even more fear in the people by saying that.
36:40By teaching that, well, your name can be on the book of life and be removed if you're
36:45not accepting the true word.
36:47So what it does, it paints a picture that really, I've got to be extra careful.
36:51I believe every word he's saying if I believe he's a true prophet, or otherwise my name might
36:56be removed from the book of life.
36:58So you can see how damaging this is to a Christian believer.
37:02And I believe if people are reading, this is found in the Church Age book, in the Sardisian
37:06Church Age.
37:07And if people that read that and have studied that, you know, I can see why they would fear
37:13for their lives, you know, after reading that.
37:16And they'll be very confused coming out of it.
37:18And I want to go into the details later on about it.
37:22But in the Sardisian Church Age book, this is a quote.
37:25He says, we will actually show by scripture that multitudes who are not even born again will
37:31go into eternal life.
37:33And that's kind of an interesting statement, and I would say it's very contrary to scripture.
37:37But he says, as strange as it may sound, it is certainly true.
37:41We will also show that there's a group of people whose names having been placed on that
37:45record before the foundation of the world, he says, cannot under any circumstances have
37:50those names removed.
37:51He says, but we'll also show that another group whose names were on that record before the
37:57foundation of the world will have their names removed.
38:00So that's exactly in line with what he taught about the 70 disciples.
38:05You know, Jesus declared their names were written in heaven.
38:07And now he's saying that there is people whose names are on that record that can be removed
38:13and they will be removed.
38:14So here's another quote in the Sardisian Church Age.
38:18He says, the book of life is definitely located in heaven and will appear at the great white
38:23throne judgment.
38:24In these verses, Jesus said their names were written in heaven.
38:27And he's talking about the 70 disciples here.
38:31He says, they were written in the book of life where that is where their names are placed.
38:35Jesus was speaking to the 70, but he was also speaking to the 12.
38:40Now, here's an interesting twist on scripture here by him saying he was also speaking to
38:46the 12.
38:47I believe we'll find something interesting there because in John 6, 70 to 71, this is
38:54right after he was not, of course, we know in John 6, 66, he was not speaking to the 70
39:00because they haven't even been commissioned yet.
39:03But he was definitely speaking to the disciples that had left him and the 12 because it does
39:09say in John 6, 70 to 71, he says, Jesus answered them, have not a chosen you 12 and one of you
39:15is a devil.
39:16And he spake of Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, for it was he that should betray him being one
39:21of the 12.
39:22So, so Branham's trying to use these scriptures in John 6, 66 to say, while he was telling
39:28the disciples, the 70, that their names were written in heaven, that the 12 were part of
39:34it, as well as the 70 being in John 6, 66, when the 70 weren't even there.
39:41So he's trying to tie the two scriptures together when they're totally, you know, separate by
39:45the timeline, if you look at it.
39:47Of course, in Luke, we've already said that Jesus had said their names were written in heaven.
39:52So again, you know, nothing in scriptures definitively say that he was talking to the 12 disciples,
39:58there, except in John 6, verse 70 and 71.
40:03And we just showed that John 6 takes place well before Luke 10 does.
40:08You know, William Branham is teaching error, but no one realizes it because all of what
40:12he says sounds very scriptural because he's going to one book of the Bible, then going
40:16to another book of the Bible.
40:17But by him taking and misplacing the timeline of the scriptures, that's how he created this
40:22new doctrine or created something to support his doctrine.
40:26You know, where it says that God will, in fact, remove names which are written in heaven
40:30on the book of life, that he'll actually remove them altogether.
40:34So here he says in the Sardisian church age, also he said, make no mistake about it, a person
40:41that is truly baptized by the Holy Ghost into the body of Christ, receiving the fullness
40:45of the Spirit, will be in the word all the way.
40:49And I know he's referring to his word that he's teaching all the way.
40:54He said that is the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Ghost.
40:57He said Judas fell, multitudes fell right there.
41:00And when they fail to go on in that word, their names are taken off the book of life.
41:05Also, he says in the Sardisian church age, he says, all these people had their names in
41:11the book of life and their names remain, but whose names did not remain?
41:15Those of the world's system churches who fought the bride will be those whose names are removed.
41:21That is who will lose out.
41:23They will be cast in the lake of fire.
41:26So we see what he's saying here.
41:27He's saying anybody against the bride, and the bride is the only one that follows his message,
41:33will be cast in the lake of fire, and those are the ones whose names are going to be removed.
41:37So now he's building his case for a message that is exclusive,
41:42and that one must believe to even be in the bride of Christ.
41:46So he also says this.
41:49It's kind of interesting.
41:49He has to mention that people must be very confused right now when they're reading the
41:54Sardisian church age.
41:55He said, since this portion of the word is hard for the human mind to grasp,
42:00it must be accepted and believed by faith.
42:04So what he's asking you to do now is just take a blind leap of faith
42:07and take everything he's saying as being thus saith the Lord.
42:11And again, that's a very dangerous proposition, John.
42:14It is dangerous.
42:15And here's where, if people understand the foundation of this,
42:19they would just run screaming.
42:20If you understand that it is this exact foundation from which developed the word of faith movement,
42:27Branham called it the spoken word.
42:28And Jim Jones, who is in this cult, called it the spoken word.
42:33What they're doing is whenever they take their own interpretation that's outside of Bible context,
42:39they tried to add their own personal revelations, reflections.
42:44Sometimes Branham would say, it's thus saith the Lord.
42:47And he would try to add something that God is saying in the here and now
42:51for the verse that was ripped out of context and then blend those together,
42:56the marrying of those two, the verse that's ripped out of context
43:00and the quote-unquote divine word from the Lord,
43:04when those two get married together, it becomes a different and new thing.
43:08It isn't the Bible.
43:10It isn't even, you know, it's definitely not from God,
43:13but it isn't even what the people are expecting when they hear that passage of Scripture.
43:17It's taking it to a new direction that the cult leader can take anywhere they want
43:23because they've created something new.
43:25It is a new—in this case, we're talking about the Gospels.
43:28This is a new Gospel.
43:30It's not in the original.
43:31So once it goes into that development, that architecture,
43:37it's the architecture of a new Gospel from which other things were built on top of
43:41for the sole purpose of allowing the speaker, in this case Branham,
43:46but in other cases you can carry this as far forward as you want to go into the NAR.
43:51It enables them to take their own ideas and their own opinions and even if they're a narcissist,
44:01even their own objectives and try to spiritualize it and turn an agenda into a Bible context.
44:09That's what is happening here.
44:10Branham is taking the idea that people are leaving his cult
44:14and he's twisting it into an agenda based on Bible context.
44:21The sad part is there were so many people who were in the movement who didn't read their Bibles.
44:26They didn't know that you can read the Bibles and understand a timeline,
44:31and it doesn't take a prophet or a theologian to understand that timeline.
44:35You just simply read it, and you can read where Branham has gone completely off the rails in this case.
44:40It is dangerous, and that's how we developed into the mess that we have today.
44:45So, John, everything we've been saying so far has just been to show you
44:49how a man can take Scripture and point to himself or build a doctrine around Scriptures
44:57that he's pieced together that are not even in the correct timeline.
45:01And that's what William Branham's message did.
45:04It created the environment for men who are both—some are godly,
45:08a lot of them are ungodly.
45:10It built something to place them in positions of leadership.
45:14You know, in order for William Branham's message to survive,
45:18you know, a tight group of like-thinking men must come together to share the same beliefs,
45:23and then they're the ones given the power and authority to rule the people.
45:27And while he was alive, you know, he wanted everyone to know that he was at the top of the pyramid,
45:32and that's still true today within the ranks of the message.
45:35You know, they put William Branham at the top of that pyramid.
45:38However, when we turn our attention to the NAR and what's being done in those ranks
45:43with the apostles and prophets, you know, there are many now that they've opened the door
45:48to allow for apostles and prophets to come, and they've also risen to the top.
45:53So, it's really no different in the NAR.
45:55It's just that they are not holding on to William Branham's message
45:59and the teachings that he taught to be exclusive, that he was the bride of Christ.
46:03But it's actually, they're holding that apostles and prophets are here today to lead the church
46:09and also in a political realm, in a political way.
46:13So, William Branham created that environment for men to rise up.
46:17Because listen to this quote.
46:19This is from the Laodicea in Church Age, 1960, in December the 11th.
46:23And here's where he's building the case for himself to rise up.
46:27He says,
46:27We'll be looking for that great one to rise.
46:30He might come in my day.
46:31He might come in the younger day.
46:33I don't know.
46:33He might be right among us now.
46:35We can't tell.
46:37The Holy Spirit is here to lead us till that time.
46:40Then, when this leader will take us over, he'll still be anointed of the Holy Ghost.
46:45The Elijah will.
46:47Of course, that will come.
46:49But he will be the leader that will turn the hearts of the children
46:52or the hearts of the children back to the Father's message,
46:56back to our Heavenly Father's message on the day of Pentecost when he poured out his Spirit.
47:00So, right there in that one quote, and there's many others,
47:03and he continued to do this.
47:05And this is from 1960 on.
47:07And he wanted to let the people know there was a leader coming.
47:10And I think if you listen to these series of messages of the Church Ages,
47:13you'll definitely realize he was referring to himself.
47:17He didn't want to outright say it.
47:18But, of course, he got more and more bold about saying it, you know, as the years went on.
47:24You know, Branham was priming the people to look for a leader with the Spirit of Elijah,
47:27and he was ready to step in that position when he found that opportunity.
47:32The people were eager to accept him and anoint him as their king, priest, and prophet
47:36with a divine message.
47:38You know, unfortunately, you know, Branham's message leads you down a pseudo-Christian path,
47:43you know, where the Word of God is put aside, overlooked in places, and butchered just to
47:49make it look like it says something totally different.
47:51And it will say something totally different.
47:53And we see that in the way he pieced together the story about the 70 disciples
47:58and about the timeline when the disciples really left him.
48:02And that's what the NAR movement is also doing through their self-proclaimed, you know,
48:07prophets and apostles.
48:08You know, they're presenting really a false God and a false Jesus to the people
48:12and then anointing themselves to be head over the people, head over the church,
48:16and they really don't have any authority to do that.
48:19You know, the people are being told that and to build up their excitement that God's about to do
48:24great things, and then within that great movement there when they're being told that
48:30God's going to do great things among you, then the natural leaders of that movement
48:34just start rising up, and they keep the system going, and they hope to eventually gain political
48:39power through this.
48:41You know, I suppose Branham really had no idea that his inspiration and ministry would
48:45eventually migrate into something like the NAR.
48:49But people who have observed his ministry, you know, from the outside, those charismatics
48:54in that world, and others who took scriptures out of context just to suit their own ends,
49:00you know, when they observed him doing it, and they still thought God was working in his
49:05ministry, then they've taken that as a cue.
49:07They can do the same thing.
49:09And so that's how he spearheaded this whole thing.
49:11So they still keep their facade of Christianity, put on the Christian face, and they gather a
49:17large following.
49:18And while their underlying motives and objectives are really leading their people to a radical
49:22politics.
49:23So I think we can see that in Seven Mountain Mandates.
49:27It's been written that the Seven Mountain Mandates, you know, divide the world of cultural
49:32power and influence that Christians are to conquer into these seven categories, which is
49:38religion, family, government, education, business, media, and the arts and entertainment.
49:44You know, there's a historian, Brian Sears, he writes about the NAR.
49:48He says, key to the inauguration of Christ's thousand-year reign on earth is the belief that
49:53apostles will have risen in power to control or influence the leaders of the seven spheres
49:58of society.
50:00I know nowadays there's a big political push, you know, for them to do that.
50:04Exactly.
50:05And that's where it gets so scary, because what we're talking about today that happened
50:10way back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, Branhamism, it has actually made its way all the way into
50:16the political arena today, and it's not just politics.
50:19This is politics, religion, and this foundation that wasn't really based on the Gospels.
50:25It was a new Gospel.
50:27It has developed into things like the Seven Mountain Mandate that you mentioned.
50:31We've talked about this in a few different podcasts, most recently the one with Laura Lynn.
50:37The foundation for the agenda for the Seven Mountains Mandate can trace all the way back
50:43to Branham's mentor.
50:44If you understand Christian identity, you understand white supremacy, you understand why they were
50:50attacking the politics of their era, and understand more than that how they were attacking it, and
50:56realize that both sides of that, the white supremacy, the Christian identity, both sides claim
51:02to be a Christian movement.
51:05That's how they presented themselves.
51:06They based, like Branhamism, they would take Bible verses and they would base their agenda
51:12off of a twisting of the Bible verse.
51:14That's how the movement formed and began and attacked politics.
51:18Well, what has happened is, all of that went underground in the 60s.
51:22It started to reemerge with Paul Cain, Mike Bickle, and the Kansas City prophets were essentially
51:28Branhamism 2.0.
51:29So many movements did not understand the Bible and thought this was a true foundation, but
51:36also thought it was this mystery foundation that the rest of the Christian world just has
51:40totally missed.
51:42What they missed was the fact that this was a false foundation of a different gospel, and
51:47it attacked the politics of the era.
51:49And so what we're seeing today, the era of the 1980s, is starting to develop and grow
51:56into something far worse than even what they had whenever Bickle and the Kansas City prophets
52:01began.
52:02But if you trace it all the way back to its historical roots, you find that it actually
52:07began here with a false gospel.
52:10So yeah, John, it's been a great episode.
52:11It's been fun to talk about this.
52:13And I think, I just hope that people came away with the importance of what has happened
52:17and the impact this has made.
52:21You know, and I hope people have, I've been able to clearly show, I hope they didn't get
52:25confused and I've been able to clearly show how, you know, Branham has misplaced these two
52:31scriptures here.
52:32I just hope that by taking another place where he misused scripture, you know, we're able to
52:37show there's never a good outcome, you know, for doing so.
52:40And teachers, you know, of the scripture have to be very careful how they study and teach
52:45the word.
52:47You know, William Branham made use of the word for his own ends and the doctrine that he
52:51came up with.
52:52He ended up saying things the Bible never even taught.
52:55You know, men of God like Gordon Lindsay, Ern Baxter, and others, they tried to warn him
52:59not to teach, but you know, he ignored their advice every time.
53:04He had already decided, I believe, what he wanted his legacy to be.
53:07And it was not just that God sent him to heal the sick, but it was actually to be a last
53:12day prophet of God to the bride.
53:14Once he became firmly convinced that he was, all these scriptures that we've been talking
53:18about, Malachi 4, Revelation 10, Revelation 3, angel to the church.
53:25Once he convinced himself he was that, then he had to push for that legacy.
53:29And he used scriptures, you know, tied them all together to basically prove that he was,
53:35but it was in a way that was contrary to scripture.
53:38And we're going to search out many more errors of Branham's teaching in the coming episode
53:42just by comparing what he said, you know, take the plain reading of scripture to do so.
53:47And that's really all a person needs to do, you know, is to discover these errors for themselves.
53:52You know, if you can step back from the message and examine what he said with the word of God,
53:57you can clearly see it.
53:59You know, we've always been asked, you know, time and time again, we've always been asked
54:04to say just what, you know, Branham says and just say only what the word says.
54:09But, you know, we find out, John, that when we do that, you know, then we get accused of
54:13being apostates.
54:15I don't know.
54:16I don't think message believers can have it both ways, you know, because the Bible does
54:20say that a double-minded man is unstable.
54:23So, John, I'm looking forward to seeing, having another podcast and finding, you know, another
54:30message topic to talk about as we go forward with these things.
54:34I look forward to it as well.
54:36You know, so many different movements today that were based off of this have covered up
54:41their histories.
54:42And when I say covered up their histories, a lot of people think, well, that means maybe
54:46they had a sketchy past.
54:47They're hiding it.
54:48Maybe they fell into some gross error or sin.
54:52Maybe they had sexual problems in their life, whatever it is.
54:56I'm talking specifically about the doctrinal history.
54:59Many different theologies that we see today within the NAR were based off of a foundation
55:06that was laid by a man who literally had not read the Gospels.
55:10That's my opinion.
55:12He had not read the Gospels or he lied about them.
55:15One of those two.
55:16It can only be one of those two.
55:18And so a new Gospel was created from that new Gospel developed many theologies that
55:24require that different Gospel.
55:27And if you understand that the theology that your church is preaching is based off of something
55:33that was originally built upon a false Gospel, you have to ask the question, is it really
55:40Christianity?
55:40Am I really a Christian if I'm in one of these groups that has built all of their foundation
55:45off of a false Gospel, a new and different Gospel?
55:48And that's really the question that I think you and I are asking here.
55:51What is this?
55:53I can't really call it Christianity.
55:56I know that there are Christians who are in the group, but those Christians have no idea.
56:01They're reading their Bible as best they can.
56:04Some of the people are truly good people, but they're in a movement that is truly not Christian.
56:09And I think that's one of the biggest mysteries as to how all of this has survived.
56:15How can a Christian be in a non-Christian group?
56:17I know that's the question that many people are asking.
56:19So we'll get into more of this more deeply as we go, but if you've enjoyed our show and
56:25you want more information, you can check us out on the web.
56:27You can find us at william-branham.org.
56:30For more information about Roy Davis and William Branham, you can read The Persuasive Preacher,
56:35The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
56:37And for more about the dark side of the New Apostolic Reformation, you can read Weaponized
56:41Religion from Christian Identity to the NAR, both available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.
56:49And for more information, you can find us at william-branham.
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