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John and Laura-Lynn discuss the surprising historical origins of the Seven Mountain Mandate and how its roots tie into militant Christian movements, political agendas, and problematic theology. John begins by tracing the influence of William Branham, the Latter Rain movement, and the ideology of dominionism, showing how it evolved from British Israelism, Christian identity doctrines, and even Ku Klux Klan ideology. Laura-Lynn reflects on how these theologies have influenced modern Christian figures like Sean Feucht and Paula White, connecting ancient belief systems to current trends in religious activism.
The conversation deepens as they explore the spiritual implications of Asherah poles, the reinterpretation of God as a many-breasted deity, and how theological distortions have crept into worship and charismatic circles. Together, they warn about the dangers of militant religiosity cloaked in biblical language and how misusing Scripture can lead believers away from the teachings of Jesus. John calls attention to the rising trend of assigning divinity to charismatic leaders and questions how these movements continue to grow in influence despite deeply flawed foundations. Laura-Lynn encourages more believers to stand for truth and return to reading and understanding the Bible without distortion.
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Sean Feucht and the Roots of Dominion Theology
05:03 Origins of the Seven Mountains Mandate
08:06 Revelation, British Israelism, and Christian Identity
13:15 Voice of Healing and the Latter Rain Revival
17:14 Branham’s Mentorship and the Klan’s Religious Infiltration
22:16 The Modern Seven Mountains Message
23:45 Entertainment, Propaganda, and the “Mountain” of Media
27:11 Jesus’ Approach vs. Militant Christianity
30:56 Violence, Exclusion, and Modern Apostolic Control
36:00 Manifested Sons of God and Branham’s Deity Claims
39:30 Militant Dominionism and the Political Agenda
44:05 Paula White, Moon’s Movement, and Global Influence
46:09 The Roots Keep Reemerging
47:44 Ashteroth Poles, El Shaddai, and Pagan Theology
54:05 Return to the Bible and Public Awakening
56:04 Support for Research and Honest Dialogue
58:52 Jesus’ Heart Toward the Outcast
59:41 Call for Purity in the Church
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The conversation deepens as they explore the spiritual implications of Asherah poles, the reinterpretation of God as a many-breasted deity, and how theological distortions have crept into worship and charismatic circles. Together, they warn about the dangers of militant religiosity cloaked in biblical language and how misusing Scripture can lead believers away from the teachings of Jesus. John calls attention to the rising trend of assigning divinity to charismatic leaders and questions how these movements continue to grow in influence despite deeply flawed foundations. Laura-Lynn encourages more believers to stand for truth and return to reading and understanding the Bible without distortion.
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Sean Feucht and the Roots of Dominion Theology
05:03 Origins of the Seven Mountains Mandate
08:06 Revelation, British Israelism, and Christian Identity
13:15 Voice of Healing and the Latter Rain Revival
17:14 Branham’s Mentorship and the Klan’s Religious Infiltration
22:16 The Modern Seven Mountains Message
23:45 Entertainment, Propaganda, and the “Mountain” of Media
27:11 Jesus’ Approach vs. Militant Christianity
30:56 Violence, Exclusion, and Modern Apostolic Control
36:00 Manifested Sons of God and Branham’s Deity Claims
39:30 Militant Dominionism and the Political Agenda
44:05 Paula White, Moon’s Movement, and Global Influence
46:09 The Roots Keep Reemerging
47:44 Ashteroth Poles, El Shaddai, and Pagan Theology
54:05 Return to the Bible and Public Awakening
56:04 Support for Research and Honest Dialogue
58:52 Jesus’ Heart Toward the Outcast
59:41 Call for Purity in the Church
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham
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00:00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:00:37I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at william-branham.org.
00:00:43And with me, I have my co-host and friend, Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson, the host of Laura Lynn Live.
00:00:50Laura, it's good to connect with you again and to talk through some of this history.
00:00:54I'm finding as I'm going through it with you, it's a bit difficult because I'm bringing back memories of my research from years and years ago.
00:01:04And so that memory recall, we had a conversation about this.
00:01:07It's a little bit difficult.
00:01:09So this time I have put some notes up on my screen to help me go through this.
00:01:13But the history that we're going through, it is a fascinating history that not many people are aware of.
00:01:19And it ties directly to the things we're seeing today.
00:01:23In the news, I'm sure you have seen it.
00:01:26Some of the things happening with Sean Foyt and some of the things that are happening with the –
00:01:31Oh, there's a couple of Branhamites that have been arrested in Vancouver for outrageous charges that they're doing things against people in churches.
00:01:43And you can trace all of these roots all the way back.
00:01:46You know, Sean Foyt obviously wasn't a Branhamite, but he's teaching the manifested sons of God theology and his worship style.
00:01:54Everything was built on this platform that was created.
00:01:56And if you understand the platform, you can – like the Bible said, you can see the fruit.
00:02:02You can see what kind of tree it is by the fruit that it bears.
00:02:05Well, and the thing about Sean Foyt, I mean, so he put out a – he put out an ex-host that basically is calling anyone who's in disagreement with him,
00:02:20according to the word, you know, that we're basically listening to demons.
00:02:24And, you know, oh, they said these types would come and that we are associating ourselves with the LGBTQ mob because we don't appreciate what he's doing.
00:02:36I mean, he's shown up in Canada.
00:02:37He gaslights the LGBTQ all across North America.
00:02:41Of course, Antifa shows up because of the nasty things he says.
00:02:46People are calling him out.
00:02:47And he's a difficult sort.
00:02:49I mean, Bethel fired him years ago, and so he's got this.
00:02:54But he does have a whole lot of people that they just, you know, they believe we're fighting for spiritual, you know, freedom in Canada and whatnot
00:03:04when all kinds of people come to Canada and have worship services or concerts.
00:03:10Churches meet in the park.
00:03:11A church this last Sunday, they met in the park in Surrey, baptized 85 people.
00:03:18It's a great church in Surrey, British Columbia.
00:03:21Thousands of people go there.
00:03:22I think it's Baptist in nature.
00:03:25And, you know, so none of this nonsense that's being put out.
00:03:29So I have taken some heat for speaking out because I actually think that gaslighting sinners is nothing Jesus would have ever done.
00:03:38And I actually think that making profit is what Jesus spoke about, that you make profit from the gospel.
00:03:47And Paul spoke about it extensively as well.
00:03:49So you're right.
00:03:50Like these roots to the latter rain, he hangs out with, you know, Art Lussier and the gang from Canada.
00:03:56So there is like an entire den of these people that are embedded into, you know, what we're talking about, into the roots and the outfall of what came from the latter rain.
00:04:13So, you know, having said that, I'm glad that I love the Lord, that God met me in the midst of some of this, some of the difficulties.
00:04:23And I do continue to say that, that God still responded to my pure heart, wanting Jesus as a young person in the midst of some chaos and improper teaching and spiritual abuse.
00:04:38Nonetheless, God found me and God found you.
00:04:42And that's an amazing thing.
00:04:44Darrell Bock It's such a crazy world that we live in that people would think that you can attack people who are struggling with whatever is the sin and that your attack is justified.
00:04:57And actually, that is one of the points that I was going to bring up in this podcast, because as you know, we're going to be talking about the Seven Mountains mandate today.
00:05:05Darrell Bock Well, the history behind it, if you understand that history, you understand why Christians act like this.
00:05:12If you're outside of this movement looking in, which we have a lot of viewers who are, they're curious, some people are just researchers, they're trying to understand what is this movement, what is this mass?
00:05:21If you're outside looking in and you're Christian, a Christian is looking to what Jesus did on the cross for them, not what they can do to further the kingdom and to push their way into heaven, basically.
00:05:35Darrell Bock But with what this was originally, it's beyond that.
00:05:40It's actually how do you fight your way into heaven?
00:05:43Because this was war.
00:05:44This was literally, when you think of spiritual warfare today, they did not know, whenever all of this theology was emerging, that it would become the spiritual warfare that it was today.
00:05:55Darrell Bock They were just emerging from the years right after World War II, and they thought maybe it's a physical war.
00:06:02Darrell Bock So, Joel's army, all of that rhetoric was literally that we may have to take arms and fight, because the battle for Armageddon is here.
00:06:10Darrell Bock It entered into the theology.
00:06:12Darrell Bock Well, after all of that dissipated, it kind of morphed and changed into what we see today.
00:06:17So, you have people who go up to mountains, and I was talking to a guy yesterday.
00:06:22Darrell Bock There were people who were going to intersections in these, I don't know what you call them, these grid lines of coordinates around the globe, saying that in these points, in these coordinates, is where the demons are hiding.
00:06:36So, we need to go chant or preach or whatever it is we're doing.
00:06:39And it all comes back to this route.
00:06:41So, the deeper we go into the seven mountains, I think people might understand this a bit more.
00:06:46Darrell Bock Sure, and I was listening to someone very well-known in Canada talking about these portals, you know, you get in a portal.
00:06:52And, like, these are the Christian leaders who some would respect if they don't really investigate, and all of this stuff.
00:07:01So, I'm looking forward to hearing, you know, John, I just have to say, I've learned so much from your podcast.
00:07:08And people that are writing me are saying that what we're talking about is setting them free.
00:07:14They're finally understanding the roots of it and why it was so confusing and what was wrong and improper theology, and they're getting free.
00:07:24And so, I do appreciate that.
00:07:26And you, having been right in with the Branhamites, are the perfect person to discuss this.
00:07:33You have extreme inside knowledge.
00:07:37And it takes a lot of courage to do what you do.
00:07:39And once again, I'm very grateful.
00:07:41Darrell Bock So, tell us all about it, really.
00:07:44Like, you know, we're having to deal with the current day environment of the Christian church.
00:07:52We're facing it right now with Sean Foyt in Canada.
00:07:56More and more places now shutting down him coming, which is a bad precedent.
00:08:01And all, we don't appreciate the way that he's doing it, but all of this has a background.
00:08:05Darrell Bock It does have a background.
00:08:07Darrell Bock And whenever, like I said, we have people who weren't in this who are on the outside looking in.
00:08:12And when they hear the term seven mountains, their mind immediately goes to Revelation 17.
00:08:17There's a passage that says, and here's the mind that has wisdom.
00:08:21There are seven heads, which are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
00:08:25Darrell Bock And if you read that passage and you understand that passage and then try to turn it into this dominionism thing that is militant and, you know, Joel's army or whatever manifested sons of God theology you want to throw at it, it's very difficult to understand how it came to that level.
00:08:45Darrell Bock But there's a few points in history that you have to understand to learn how it became what it did.
00:08:54One of those is British Israelism.
00:08:56So earlier today I sent you a couple of photographs from a book.
00:09:01Darrell Bock Yeah.
00:09:01Darrell Bock The book was written by Uriah Smith of the Seventh-day Adventists.
00:09:06There's a picture that is drawn in it.
00:09:09I don't know if you noticed this, but it's this beast with lamb-like horns.
00:09:13Darrell Bock It's actually referring to the beast that is referred to in, I think, it's Revelation 13.
00:09:19These two passages from Revelation were the foundation for what my religion was in the Branhamites.
00:09:28Revelation 13, we believed, was the woman.
00:09:32It was describing the woman, and it was supposed to be – the way Branham phrased it is,
00:09:38you can read symbolically that this woman is the United States.
00:09:42Darrell Bock And so where it gets interesting is Branham claimed that it was divine revelation that came to him by God,
00:09:50and yet we have uncovered pretty much every book that he had in his library, one of which was this book that I sent you.
00:09:58And so the picture of the beast is actually sitting on the map of the United States.
00:10:04So the beast in this image from Uriah Smith coming out of the United States.
00:10:10With British Israelism, this was a common belief.
00:10:13They believed that they could map it to – basically to the United States,
00:10:18that it would somehow merge with the seven mountains and the woman that sits on her,
00:10:26which many believed to be Rome.
00:10:27And then when Christian identity started to form in the – I think it was the 1930s, if I remember right, 1930s or 1940s,
00:10:38the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the second thing that you have to understand.
00:10:45This was a book that was published and printed throughout the Christian identity circles,
00:10:50claiming that the false Jews, the ones who aren't the United States and aren't Great Britain,
00:10:57the false Jews are going to invade.
00:10:59They're going to take over the financial systems, the banking systems, the religion.
00:11:04They're going to sway our families.
00:11:06They're going – basically, these seven mountains are going to be changed by these false Jews,
00:11:11and they have invaded, and they believe that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was seated at the throne
00:11:17from which the beast was emerging.
00:11:20And symbolically, if you understand the passage from Revelation,
00:11:24the lamb-like horns was a symbol for something that looked meek and gentle, but was yet a beast.
00:11:32So at the core of this theology, which we'll get into later in the podcast,
00:11:36the core theology that was presented was that the United States has been invaded,
00:11:42the beast is going to emerge from the United States,
00:11:45Joel's army began to form, we need to fight the beast, we need to conquer these seven mountains,
00:11:51so that theology kind of emerged that this was where the seven mountains would emerge.
00:11:57So, so interesting.
00:12:00I see.
00:12:02Wow.
00:12:03And so, this is the theology that we're hearing from Lance Wall now and many different, you know,
00:12:15believers across the United States and Canada.
00:12:18Absolutely.
00:12:19It is – it's very common.
00:12:20I go to it quite a bit.
00:12:22I describe how it emerged in my book, Christian Identity to the NAR.
00:12:26But because that foundation was so prevalent, especially in the early years of the latter
00:12:34reign, as this was spreading worldwide, they have – one of Branham's publications, which
00:12:40became actually Christ for the Nations Institute, which trains all the deliverance ministers,
00:12:46Gordon Lindsay, William Branham, and Jack Moore were publishing this magazine called The Voice
00:12:52of Healing, and in the later years, the years that most people are familiar with, it's basically
00:12:58a good way to advertise your ministry and become a traveling evangelist.
00:13:05And there's hundreds of pages of men who saw angels, men who had visions, men who did
00:13:10miraculous things, et cetera.
00:13:12But if you go back to the very, very early years, you'll find in 1948, for example, they
00:13:19have these countdowns of when Armageddon is going to come.
00:13:24And they were literally looking for the end of days associated with this and what was not
00:13:30said in that magazine.
00:13:32The conferences that Gordon Lindsay was attending were – some of them were Christian identity
00:13:37conferences.
00:13:38With that theology that the end of days is coming is also the notion that we're going
00:13:43to have this end of days battle, and we need to be prepared for the battle.
00:13:47When Sharon Orphanage was beginning to form, it's really weird how it formed.
00:13:54It looked more like a military base with an airplane hangar, and there were students trying
00:13:59to understand how do we bring forth this Joel's army.
00:14:04And they were meeting, and that's how the Lateran Revival emerged.
00:14:08How do we bring the manifested sons of God power within us?
00:14:12Because this great battle is coming, and we need to be able to fight that battle.
00:14:16Wow.
00:14:19John, do you remember these things like when you were young?
00:14:23Do you remember this kind of teaching actually being spoken in your church and with, you know,
00:14:32underneath your family's attendance and all of that?
00:14:36I don't know if you're – I know your grandfather, right?
00:14:38For some people just watching, your grandfather was sort of a right-hand person to Branham.
00:14:47Is that correct?
00:14:48My grandfather was one of Branham's deacons, and he took over the church with – so Branham's
00:14:54sons basically led the church after William Branham died.
00:14:58My grandfather and the sons basically were running the church after he died.
00:15:02So grandfather was close.
00:15:05My father and my aunts and uncles were commonly in Branham's home because they were – my aunts
00:15:12and uncles were best friends with Branham's sons and daughters.
00:15:15So our family was right there in the mix.
00:15:17As far as memories, it's really odd and awkward.
00:15:24I think I mentioned this to you offline, but I have a lot of trouble sometimes sitting through
00:15:30a sermon because I'll be sitting there and the sermon may be good and uplifting, but
00:15:36then that one verse comes out.
00:15:39And the last time it hit me, it actually wasn't the text of the verse, but just simply the book,
00:15:44the chapter number, and the verse number, when that was mentioned, all of that programming
00:15:49went off in my head.
00:15:51Some of it is militant, some of it is not.
00:15:53Branham was not into the form of dominionism that exists today.
00:16:00I think he died before that began to emerge.
00:16:03But he laid all of the foundation from which it all developed.
00:16:07So when are we talking, do you think, that we begin to see this kind of thing?
00:16:13And it wasn't always called by this name.
00:16:17It's just sort of a teaching that begins of basically the rising, I guess, and how we
00:16:25should in all spheres be leaders.
00:16:30And I listened to one guy this week because I've just really been examining how after you
00:16:36explained that it was a political movement that Branham was actually heading, that made
00:16:43so much sense as to why so many things now being done in the United States, oh, let's
00:16:49have an ESSER conference and we'll meet at the Capitol and it'll be so great.
00:16:55We'll just all celebrate women.
00:16:58Oh, it just happens to be when there's this election going on and, you know, we'll tie everything
00:17:04into how we have a political movement to seize the political mountain, you know?
00:17:10Absolutely.
00:17:12And it all goes back to, I think I mentioned this in the last podcast, Branham's mentor
00:17:17in his, and the one who ordained him as a minister, was the second in command for the
00:17:23Ku Klux Klan.
00:17:24At the time in which the Klan, after the Klan had been somewhat disbanded, the Indiana
00:17:31Klan became the largest Klan in the nation.
00:17:33And they set the precedent in, when was it?
00:17:37It was, I think it was the year 1925, somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000 Klan members marched
00:17:43on Washington.
00:17:44And when you think of this in today's world, the first thing that comes to your mind when
00:17:49I say that word is you're thinking, this is a white robed people who are against black
00:17:55people.
00:17:55But that's because Hollywood has changed the meaning of what this organization was.
00:18:01From its inception, it was created as a Christian organization, and they wanted to invade churches,
00:18:09and they did.
00:18:10The capital, the headquarters for the Klan in Indiana, which again was the largest in the
00:18:18nation, was actually held in a church called the Cato Tabernacle in Indianapolis, Indiana.
00:18:24From this church, they invaded several other churches, and they were playing Klan movies.
00:18:31They were coming, and they would hold Klan picnics after churches.
00:18:35This was a religious organization, but it was also a terrorist organization at the same time.
00:18:42After the 60s really changed this.
00:18:46The Klan kind of went underground until the 60s.
00:18:48After the 60s, whenever all of the hate riots happened, it became sort of a black eye to
00:18:55have a Klansman in your church.
00:18:57So all of this went underground.
00:18:59But what happened is the ideology remained.
00:19:02While the white supremacy got pushed out, the ideology that they had created in the churches,
00:19:08that remained in the churches.
00:19:10And it began to develop and fester into what we see.
00:19:13Okay, so that explains so much, because I wonder, like, it is so, like, not cool or acceptable
00:19:22or appropriate to be associated with the Ku Klux Klan today.
00:19:28So you're helping me to understand that, I mean, at one point, it was just sort of very accepted
00:19:36and all of that.
00:19:37But then when they got exposed more, I guess, they go underground.
00:19:44But the remains of that, the belief system carried through it.
00:19:49And so that's why some people in understanding this, you can see that when they attack some
00:19:54of the Christian, you know, the way that Christians do things, they will bring elements of this
00:20:00up.
00:20:01And I've always wondered, like, they'll call us Nazis or something like that.
00:20:04And then I'll be like, well, why are they calling us Nazis?
00:20:09You know, basically, I love the Jews, I am not a Nazi.
00:20:14Why do, what is the link?
00:20:16But really, it's kind of tied in, in that way.
00:20:19Absolutely.
00:20:20And it's, again, it goes back to the foundation.
00:20:22If you're a Christian and your foundation is the gospel, what Jesus did on the cross for
00:20:28you, your foundation is such that you don't want to fight.
00:20:33You're meek and humble.
00:20:34You want to persuade people to be like you, not force people to be like you.
00:20:40But the Klan's version of Christianity was not this.
00:20:43They, not only did they want to force people to conform to what they believed was Christianity,
00:20:49if you did not, they would go to all kinds of devilish tactics to enforce it.
00:20:55They would threaten you.
00:20:56They would meet you under the cover of night.
00:20:58People in today's world can't fathom how difficult it would be when a whole town is
00:21:06somewhat sympathetic to the Klan, I guess is the best way to put it.
00:21:10But many members who you don't know, it might be your neighbor, it might be the mayor, it
00:21:15might be the policeman.
00:21:17You don't know who is a member.
00:21:18So you can't outright speak against these things.
00:21:21And the ideology that they're pushing is that, that you must conform, otherwise we will come
00:21:27down hard against you.
00:21:28That was the version of Christianity that was spreading.
00:21:32And again, William Branham, who spearheaded the latter reign, post-World War II healing
00:21:36revival, was mentored by the second in command.
00:21:40But more than that, this was the person who wrote those Christian bylaws.
00:21:45He admitted in, I think it was 1960, during some hate riots, he admitted that he had written
00:21:51the bylaws for this.
00:21:54And this is William Branham's mentor.
00:21:56So Branham is mentored in a very horrific version of, I'm hesitant to use the word, the
00:22:02gospel, but that's what he called it.
00:22:05And that's what this man was preaching.
00:22:07However, if you read the Bible and you understand what is the gospel, it's two separate, completely
00:22:12different things.
00:22:14Wow.
00:22:14So if we're to fast forward to today, we've got the seven mountain mandate that is being
00:22:21taught by very well-known leaders in the Christian church.
00:22:27And do you feel that it's not, it shouldn't be taught in the way that it's being taught?
00:22:35So I saw one, you know, seven mountain presentation where we want to be taking the tops of the
00:22:43mountains.
00:22:44So get involved in media, get involved in politics, get involved in business, the arts, you know,
00:22:51the seven mountains.
00:22:53So get involved there so that we're having impact in the world.
00:22:56Um, is there a problem with this thinking that you can make succinct, um, knowing that Malachi
00:23:05says, I think it's Malachi.
00:23:08I remember seeing it, you know, that in the last days, the mountain of the Lord will be
00:23:13the highest mountain.
00:23:15So how do you see all that, John?
00:23:19It's multifaceted.
00:23:20So here's where it gets complicated to explain and to form an opinion that is presentable,
00:23:27but I'm going to try.
00:23:29Some of the things that are being pushed, I may agree with some of the agendas that are
00:23:36that some of the agendas are actually pretty good agendas.
00:23:39I'll say it like that.
00:23:41However, the implementation is dangerous.
00:23:44And the best example I can use is the example of the media.
00:23:49So when the Klan was, or it was exposed as a terrorist organization in the mid twenties,
00:23:56they had to rebrand and give themselves a new face.
00:24:00One of the ways in which they did this was they, and I'm using the word mountain loosely.
00:24:05They did not use the word mountain, but one of the ways that the Klan did this was they
00:24:09attacked the mountain of entertainment.
00:24:10They wanted to come in, present themselves, like you said, at the top.
00:24:15They wanted to, they created, there were Klan studios that were producing Klan movies that
00:24:21were somewhat healthy, somewhat good, but with the Klan twist.
00:24:26And some of those movies were actually played in churches around the nation.
00:24:29So you had Klan sympathetic churches playing Klan morals of movies that did not include any
00:24:37of the things that they said were evil from Hollywood.
00:24:40That word evil, let's take a step back and examine that from today's world versus then.
00:24:47The things that we consider to be evil in today's world with regards to what's happening in
00:24:53Hollywood are highly politicized, usually about, like you mentioned, LGBTQ earlier.
00:25:00Usually, it's what is the hottest topic in political religion today.
00:25:06That's what they will focus on in the entertainment and say, we don't want this in the entertainment.
00:25:11Well, back in the 20s, this wasn't the issue.
00:25:13In the 20s, it was the Catholics.
00:25:15They did not want the Catholics to invade the churches.
00:25:18And so they were presenting the Catholics as the bad guys, and they wanted to just eradicate
00:25:24any public view of this sort of thing.
00:25:28Fast forward to the 60s, it was more about interracial marriage.
00:25:32We don't want to show mixed – they would call it mixed races or hybrids or mongrels.
00:25:37We do not want mongrels in our television.
00:25:39And so we're going to fight the television industry.
00:25:44We're going to make the Christians not watch these things, because if they do, their morals
00:25:49will be decayed.
00:25:51So back then, there were many people who were Christian who might have seen this as a good
00:25:56thing.
00:25:57In today's world, we see that as pure racism.
00:26:00It's something that's bad.
00:26:02But what they have done is they have taken what is the politicized sin for the era by the
00:26:08political mob of Christians that are trying to invade this so-called mountain.
00:26:13What about all the other sins?
00:26:15I love a good murder mystery.
00:26:18And murder is evil.
00:26:20I mean, it's purely evil.
00:26:22So I'm watching a murder mystery.
00:26:24What if they were to come in and say, okay, we're going to eradicate all sin from television.
00:26:30Now there's no more murder mysteries.
00:26:32People who are watching television would completely revolt.
00:26:36They would not want this.
00:26:37Because they've not really followed it through to the logical conclusion of what could happen
00:26:43if they were to take over these mountains.
00:26:46Instead, the way that when I read the Bible, the way that Jesus presented himself and conducted
00:26:53himself, he sat with sinners.
00:26:55He showed them the better way.
00:26:57And his way of, if you called in an agenda, which is a, I don't think I would use that word,
00:27:02the way that he presented himself and pushed himself was such that they wanted to be like
00:27:08him, not that they were forced to be like him.
00:27:11So that makes a lot of sense, even with what we're seeing.
00:27:14Like, I'm alarmed because even right now, we have a top entertainer in the Christian realm
00:27:24that is pushing what is bad, what we don't, we don't want all these, but what about all
00:27:31the other sins?
00:27:32And really, did Jesus ever come saying, you know, this and this and this?
00:27:39He always had a problem with the religious leaders, right?
00:27:43He wasn't arguing with sinners about their sin.
00:27:46He was asking them to come to him.
00:27:49He was asking them to, you know, to make him their Lord and forgiving sins and telling them
00:27:56to go their way and sin no more and asking, never begging, but asking if they would receive
00:28:03him.
00:28:04Jesus was never going after the sinners in the world.
00:28:09He was going after the sinners in the church when, when he would have these arguments.
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00:28:21Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign, charismatic and other fringe movements
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00:29:14I think I mentioned in either the last one we did or the one before, there's a passage where
00:29:21Paul is saying, don't let those people come and attack you for eating food that's sacrificed
00:29:27to idols or what you drink.
00:29:29If you compare what's happening today to what Paul is saying there, they're literally saying
00:29:35that we can't watch television if there are people that we do not agree with on the television
00:29:40set, and they're attacking you in the same way that Paul is saying, don't do this.
00:29:46It's literally violating what Paul is saying in that letter.
00:29:50But more to the point, so whenever you're talking about the way that Jesus asked the sinners
00:29:56to conform, I had this guy who, I'm not going to mention his name, but relatively famous podcaster
00:30:03who was asking me to come on his show, I guess it was last year, and in between the time that
00:30:11he had asked me and the time when my schedule was, I had a person who came on who had been
00:30:17in Roberts Learden's church, I was trying to recall his name, the God's Generals guy, and
00:30:25the guest on my show was a person who Roberts Learden was trying to cure of homosexuality,
00:30:35very violently cure him.
00:30:37In fact, according to what I understand, he was physically assaulted.
00:30:42And so this was my guest on the show, and this was a situation where the homosexuality was
00:30:49being described in the past, not in the present.
00:30:52The person who invited me to his podcast says, because you had a person who was in the past
00:30:59a homosexual, you can't come on my show, and I'm going to come down very hard against you
00:31:04or something to this effect.
00:31:05And I get to thinking about it afterwards.
00:31:09I don't fault him because he's in a system where he thinks that this is the way that Jesus
00:31:14would act.
00:31:15But that's not the way Jesus acted.
00:31:17Jesus sat with prostitutes, and he said, I show you a better way, come to me.
00:31:21And he did not attack the sinners like this, nor did he attack the others who were sitting
00:31:26and helping as he did.
00:31:29This is not the way the gospel is.
00:31:31But what they have and what they understand is not the gospel that you read in the Bible.
00:31:35It is this militant gospel where you are either with us or you're against us, and it doesn't
00:31:41matter if we go into guerrilla warfare.
00:31:43We can do whatever it takes to further that agenda, even if it means violating some of
00:31:50the Bible code.
00:31:52Yes, violating some of the Bible code.
00:31:56And that's happening kind of with these ministers that are trying to get reactions so that they've
00:32:07got, you know, the whole world looking and they're violating the Bible code in order to get more
00:32:15media, more recognition.
00:32:19And so in a way, you know, it's totally fitting in with all of that.
00:32:24And the beauty of who Jesus is and how I believe that you have found him now and how I see him
00:32:35is a very, very loving God.
00:32:38And the word of God is so clear.
00:32:41We don't need to have another teacher.
00:32:44There's a scripture that even says that.
00:32:46I think it's in 1 John or something.
00:32:48But it says, we are taught by the Holy Spirit, and we've been led so astray.
00:32:55I mean, we recently played this clip of Jesse Duplantis.
00:33:00He is telling a, you know, gobsmacked, eye-opened, jaw-dropping crowd that oohs and ahs at the appropriate
00:33:10time.
00:33:10He's telling them how he went to heaven and how he met Abraham, had a conversation, what
00:33:18they were wearing.
00:33:20You know, it's like, oh, help me, Lord, you know, and all of the sheeples are just all
00:33:27about, and these famous people now, they're, the whole thing is that they've been on trips
00:33:32to heaven.
00:33:33That obviously worked for someone who maybe had a near-death experience.
00:33:36They got famous, they became a household name, and then everyone is going on trips to
00:33:42heaven, you know, and astral projection is being promoted by Bethel, basically.
00:33:47Everyone lie here, we're going to try to leave our bodies and go to heaven.
00:33:51And so now these famous bigwig pastors who people just send their money to are telling
00:33:59these fantastical stories, and the sheep are just like, wow, you know, and I'm just sitting
00:34:07there going, what?
00:34:09Like, wake up!
00:34:10Slap yourself out of, become sober-minded about what's happening.
00:34:14You mentioned the Holy Spirit, and that's actually one of the main points that I have
00:34:18in my notes here to talk through.
00:34:20Because to understand why the Seven Mountains mandate is so wrong, and to understand how it
00:34:27emerged from the history that I gave at the beginning, you have to understand the role
00:34:31of the Holy Spirit in this movement, which isn't the same as the role of the Holy Spirit
00:34:36in the Bible.
00:34:37Jesus said, the Father will send you the helper, he'll lead you and guide you into the spirit
00:34:42of truth.
00:34:43There are many passages, I'm paraphrasing, because there are many passages that talk about
00:34:46the Holy Spirit that is sent to lead you and guide you.
00:34:51Branhamism, which, this was not unique to Branham, he plagiarized almost everything.
00:34:55But what Branhamism taught to the movement that emerged and became charismatic was deeply rooted
00:35:03in this manifested Sons of God theology, and you have to really understand deeply what this
00:35:09means.
00:35:10The version of Jesus that Branham taught, in order to elevate himself to a superior status
00:35:16among all of his people, was that Jesus was a mortal human being, and that he was the
00:35:24vessel from which could receive this manifestation of God.
00:35:30Branham said that Jesus was fully a man whenever he died, because you can't kill God.
00:35:35The Holy Spirit left him, left his body.
00:35:38And so he is basically turning Jesus into this mortal human being that is not deity, that can
00:35:45become a manifested Son of God, so that whenever he's describing his manifested Sons of God theology,
00:35:51he is the ultimate manifested Son of God, among all of the other leaders in the movement
00:35:57who were lesser manifested Sons of God.
00:36:00He's the superior, they're the lesser.
00:36:04What people don't really understand is that this actually caught on.
00:36:09Many of the movements we have identified have tried to cover up their histories, and they've
00:36:13done a very good job at it.
00:36:14But the movements that emerged did believe this.
00:36:19I think I mentioned last time, T.L.
00:36:21Osborne at William Branham's memorial service said that this was, and I'm paraphrasing, this
00:36:27was the manifested Son of God for us today.
00:36:29This was the Jesus man.
00:36:31And he openly said, you may think I'm sacrilegious for saying this.
00:36:35He realized that what he was saying was absurd, but that's what he said.
00:36:40Now, this is the memorial service at a full gospel convention, a full gospel businessmen's
00:36:47convention.
00:36:48Members of the full gospel businessmen included people like Kenneth Hagin, who did work with
00:36:53T.L. Osborne.
00:36:54You had numerous people who emerged and became leaders in the charismatic movement.
00:37:00What you don't find, you can find T.L.
00:37:02Osborne saying this, what you don't find is a single person present at that memorial service,
00:37:07and big names were there, not a single person who's denouncing him for his heresy, because
00:37:13the movement, by and large, believed that this was a manifested Son of God.
00:37:17Where I'm headed with this is, if you understand what this means, it means that this person was
00:37:23a deity, and he's the one giving us the spoken word, the rhema, however you want to call it.
00:37:30We don't need a Holy Spirit.
00:37:31We have this human.
00:37:32And the movement has created this notion that these super apostles are coming with the manifestation
00:37:40of God so that they can form an army, and the army can be very militant, and we're going
00:37:46to eventually take control, because we have the manifestants.
00:37:49We have Jesuses.
00:37:50Each person who's in this movement as a leader, they're our Jesus.
00:37:55I mean, let that sink in, everyone.
00:37:57These, we have people across North America that support the Branhamite theology that still
00:38:09revere William Branham, and we've been able to show that some of the miracles and things
00:38:19that took place didn't even happen.
00:38:21It was a blazing lie, and he traveled with this kid who could levitate, and then at his
00:38:30death, we have people like T.L.
00:38:32Osborne, the revered T.L.
00:38:34Osborne with Kenneth Hagen.
00:38:37I don't know if Kenneth Hagen was there, but we have T.L.
00:38:43Osborne saying something as crazy as that this man had some special powers.
00:38:50We had had a visitation from some deity.
00:38:52He was bestowed this special power, and none of it's true.
00:38:57None of that is true.
00:38:59So, if we allow that, then, John, I think why you warned so heavily is that if this continues,
00:39:07then there's the next deity.
00:39:09Well, who is that?
00:39:10Is one of the great apostles and prophets that were saying are so incredible today that
00:39:16they are somehow special?
00:39:17And then they kind of deny it if you put them on the spot about it, but then in the
00:39:23teaching, it kind of comes out.
00:39:25Absolutely.
00:39:26And some of these alleged manifested sons of God included Jim Jones, who took his people
00:39:32to Jonestown, Guyana, and committed mass suicide, believing that they could enter themselves
00:39:38into heaven.
00:39:38And whenever you have this type of religion that empowers a leader to have such complete
00:39:46authoritarian control over the people, some of those leaders may be good people, and they
00:39:51may actually help people lead them to the gospel.
00:39:54But there's no rails around – it's a train going down the track with no rails.
00:40:01You don't know where it's headed.
00:40:03Is the person going to be a good person, and I've given them full control?
00:40:07Or are they going to kill me, and I've given them full control?
00:40:10That's the type of framework that was laid by this movement.
00:40:13And the fact that it is becoming more and more militant as time goes on, it scares me,
00:40:19because I can see in Washington, I can see what people are doing.
00:40:23We have – I think I've mentioned it in the book, but there are people connected to
00:40:28this theology who are in the charismatic movement, tied to people who are in the – like
00:40:36the Mooney's organization, the guy with the AK-40, the golden AK-47.
00:40:42You can see them – you can see people jointly holding conventions with him to take over
00:40:47Washington because the agenda is the same.
00:40:50They don't care that it is a cult that they're associating with, but the agenda is the same.
00:40:55And it goes back to the point of like guerrilla warfare.
00:40:58It doesn't matter – it doesn't matter the way in which I achieve my goal.
00:41:03As long as I achieve it, God's going to look down on me with favor because I am attacking
00:41:10for his kingdom.
00:41:12That's really the way that they view the gospel.
00:41:15And when you say more militant, John, I mean, you're really – you've got eyes and ears
00:41:21on the pulse of the nation.
00:41:23And because of what you know, you're able to spot it.
00:41:28Like, you know, when somebody has done drugs, they're able to see somebody who takes drugs.
00:41:35You see all the little signs.
00:41:37You can tell by their pupils dilated.
00:41:41You know, things that somebody who hasn't been so heavily involved in something like
00:41:45that wouldn't even be able to see.
00:41:47So, when you're seeing this – and these people are very – they're very arrogant, actually.
00:41:57They're very proud.
00:41:59There's an egotism that is associated with thinking you're special.
00:42:05And then they're leading.
00:42:07And they're accumulating a massive amount of wealth from the people that are donating and
00:42:12becoming followers.
00:42:13And the bigger that the internet gets, the bigger their power and voice.
00:42:20So, this is the rise recently of the podcasters who basically are saying, no, not so fast.
00:42:28Actually, we've got a good following.
00:42:30And, you know, maybe it's less than yours.
00:42:31But we're actually going to start outing some of the fallacy and the heresy that you're doing.
00:42:36Then, you've got people that are behind us, podcasters.
00:42:42Like, I have the group that wants – that I am – I have my designation with, my clerical
00:42:49designation, like to be a minister.
00:42:52And they want to take that away now because they said, I'm not becoming – I'm attacking
00:42:58other Christians.
00:42:59They want to know what's my plan to stop doing that.
00:43:01So, I'm in quite a quandary.
00:43:04And I'm trying to present scripture, but they don't see it the way that I do.
00:43:10And they are in the latter rain.
00:43:13And they are in this – they would probably honor Branhamite.
00:43:18They said, well, there was a lot – they always say there's lots of documented healings
00:43:22and stuff.
00:43:22So, I don't know about that.
00:43:26And maybe, you know, you can talk about that one day about, like, the manifestations of
00:43:31healings that still came because Jesus always touches the one whose faith is there, regardless
00:43:37of the leader.
00:43:39But now we're all seeing it.
00:43:41It is getting more dogmatic.
00:43:43And they're powerful, actually, to be able to speak their version of how they see these
00:43:51issues and the manifest sons of God issues.
00:43:54And they might not even call it that now because it's getting maybe more known and visible.
00:43:59So, then they switch it up.
00:44:00I just had a conversation yesterday with a cult expert in Japan, which it'll come out
00:44:06on a podcast here in a few weeks.
00:44:08But he's seeing the exact same thing with regards to the healing.
00:44:13What he said when he's teaching theology in some of his classes, he says he believes
00:44:20absolutely in healing.
00:44:21He said, but the problem is many of these faith healers, they – if you think of it
00:44:26like a batting average, they say they have a batting average of 100, whenever it's only
00:44:31like 1%.
00:44:32They'll say that they've healed all of these people.
00:44:34And only 1% are actually being healed.
00:44:37And it's not that God is failing.
00:44:39It's that the person who's claiming this, they're not valid.
00:44:43What they're saying is not valid.
00:44:46But interestingly, we had a conversation about exactly what I said earlier, the Moonies,
00:44:52the AK-47s, all of this weirdness is hitting his area, too.
00:44:57I think it's – if I remember correctly, Paula White, who is – Paula White Cain, who's
00:45:03deeply embedded in Washington, she was promoting the – what was it, the wife or the mother
00:45:09of Sun Yung Moon.
00:45:10Yeah, the daughter.
00:45:12Yes, and she's the only begotten daughter of God, apparently.
00:45:16And Paula White's, you know, bowing to this woman.
00:45:20It's crazy.
00:45:21Well, he was saying that in Japan, it has become such a problem that they're actually
00:45:25defunding the Unification Church over this, because this is a dangerous thing.
00:45:30This is something that's really dangerous.
00:45:33But in the United States, because of separation of church and state and the laws that exist
00:45:38to protect churches, it becomes more difficult, which makes it all the more scary, because
00:45:44you have these connections.
00:45:45You have people like Paula White Cain, who are embedded in Washington, preaching the Seven
00:45:49Mountains, here's literally a person who is in Washington with counsel with the president
00:45:55who says, we need to conquer the mountains, one of which is the one you're sitting on,
00:45:58Mr. President.
00:46:00So you have people in power who shouldn't be, I'll just say it like that, with influence
00:46:05that they should never have.
00:46:08And it all goes back down to the roots.
00:46:11Whenever the roots of this are so evil and so problematic that each time it came to a head,
00:46:19the head had been cut off, the Klan came to a head, they were exposed as a terroristic
00:46:24organization.
00:46:26They went underground, Christian identity began to flourish, it came to a head, people
00:46:30saw it as racism.
00:46:32Then in the 60s, the Klan reemerged as the third wave, the head was cut off again, it went
00:46:37back down.
00:46:38But the ideology kept continuing through the churches.
00:46:42And the ideology that was created was under the disguise of being religion.
00:46:48So it's this evil thread that is just flowing through the churches.
00:46:52And it's so insidious because people think it is actually biblical.
00:46:56They're using real Bible verses to promote it.
00:47:00Pastors who have no real understanding of what it is that is being spread through this
00:47:04movement, consider it to be biblical.
00:47:07And so they're helping preach it.
00:47:09Your average lay person who comes into the church who isn't familiar with their Bible,
00:47:14they hear a pastor say it and, well, it must be biblical because the pastor said it.
00:47:18This ideology continues because of this.
00:47:22And for me, one of the ways that I escaped it was I read the Bible cover to cover over
00:47:27and over and over just to wash it out of my head.
00:47:30The sad truth is many Christians today just don't read it.
00:47:34Wow.
00:47:35You said a lot there and a lot of it caught my attention.
00:47:40When we think about how they are using the word and they'll use the Bible, but they're
00:47:46still propelling something that is not of the word and they'll use scripture in a wrong
00:47:52context.
00:47:53I think about how the Asherah poles in the Old Testament were set up so that even kings who
00:48:00honored God, it says at times they would still, they would not remove the high places.
00:48:06They would not remove the Asherah poles.
00:48:09We're not removing witchcraft.
00:48:11We have weak leadership in the United States of America.
00:48:15We have compromise.
00:48:17This is how we are losing the strength of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:48:21And it is being watered down so that someone like Paula White, the big leaders who say they
00:48:27love Jesus and know Jesus are asking the Christians to stop sounding off about their concern about
00:48:34Paula White bowing to a false goddess, I guess, where she is the only begotten daughter of God
00:48:42and believes she's such.
00:48:43And Paula White probably gets paid an immense sum, who knows, they never disclose, to go over
00:48:50there and do this.
00:48:51And then she wants your thousand dollars so that you can be blessed by God when in actual
00:48:56fact, you can simply be blessed by God.
00:48:59And you said something pivotal.
00:49:00These people don't know the word of God.
00:49:03And so your average guy is kind of listening to the bigwigs out there.
00:49:08And I don't want to say their names anymore.
00:49:10I do it enough on my show.
00:49:12But the bigwigs, they're telling all the people who don't know the word enough to just be quiet,
00:49:22just accept the compromise, just let them do what they're going to do.
00:49:28You know, we don't have to, you know, at least we have somebody that's having worship in,
00:49:33you know, in the in the White House.
00:49:36Yes, Paula White is doing that as she's basically filming it and not worshiping.
00:49:41You would think that when she's filming the worship, you know, moments at the White House,
00:49:48that maybe she would be seen worshiping.
00:49:51No, she's filming.
00:49:52Does she not have an assistant in there somewhere?
00:49:55I don't know how this works, but you would think that it would be important to usher out
00:50:01compromise to this is why the Lord is not returning yet, because his bride is not spotless.
00:50:09It is not clean yet.
00:50:12We are wrinkled.
00:50:13And so as God is ironing out wrinkles, he's calling forth those who are who are worshiping
00:50:20in spirit and truth with no compromise.
00:50:24We don't want any Asherah poles.
00:50:26We don't want any wrong teachings mixed in a little leaven leavens the whole loaf.
00:50:32And we don't want that.
00:50:34And that's why what you're doing is so powerful, John, because you're saying we've got we've
00:50:39got some leaven in here, guys, and we might need to work to get it out.
00:50:43And however long God has you on this journey of disclosure, you are setting people free.
00:50:49And what I'm upset about is those that are not like you.
00:50:53They're not asking us to stop compromising.
00:50:56They're actually asking the body of Christ to compromise.
00:50:59They're actually asking us to just be quiet.
00:51:03Just let so-and-so sing.
00:51:05Just let so-and-so have their position.
00:51:07You know, yeah, yeah, there's, you know, there's kind of some bad moments and, you know, agendas
00:51:12in there and people are getting very wealthy off of it all.
00:51:15But shh, just be quiet.
00:51:17And there is a generation whose God is the Lord Almighty.
00:51:23And we will not compromise.
00:51:25And we will call it out.
00:51:27And we don't care if you don't like us.
00:51:30And that's what's rising.
00:51:31It's like you read my notes.
00:51:34Well, and interestingly, I had to go look it up to confirm my old memory, but you mentioned
00:51:41the Asherah Pulse.
00:51:42One of the points I was going to build up to is what is it exactly that they're worshiping
00:51:47whenever they're pushing seven mountains?
00:51:48Because every single aspect of seven mountain dominionism, every aspect of it is anti-biblical.
00:51:55There isn't anything that can be supported by the Bible.
00:51:57And you go back to its roots and you wonder, well, what was this?
00:52:01If you look at the, if you look at the Lateran movement, there were things in Lateran that
00:52:06just simply were not biblical.
00:52:08And you have to wonder what was it that they were worshiping?
00:52:11William Branham openly prayed to an angel, not God, not Jesus, an angel.
00:52:17And in some of the meetings, some of the revival meetings, he would say, I can, I can heal
00:52:22this kid myself without even praying for it.
00:52:24I don't need God.
00:52:25But you mentioned the Asherah Pulse.
00:52:29More interesting is the fact that one of the themes that emerged deeply rooted in Lateran
00:52:36was the idea that the phrase El Shaddai, which translated, it means the powerful God, God
00:52:43Almighty.
00:52:44Most people understand what that means.
00:52:46In Lateran, it was translated to be this mysterious mystery religion thing, translated to be the
00:52:55many-breasted God, which was the Asherah Pulse.
00:52:58That was exactly what it was.
00:53:00And the notion that God has many breasts is fully anti-biblical.
00:53:04There's not a single passage in the Bible that says that God has many breasts.
00:53:08But that's what they were preaching.
00:53:10So they were literally bringing back the Asherah Pulse into the church through Lateran.
00:53:15And that is what built the charismatic movement.
00:53:18I've heard this.
00:53:20I've never understood what you're saying right now.
00:53:23But I've heard these bigwig ministers talking about the, you know, breasted one, whatever
00:53:31it was, like he's, you know, so, and it's not even biblical, but it goes, see, we wouldn't
00:53:38know that, would we?
00:53:39That it has roots to some pagan, you know, Asherah pole sort of dogma.
00:53:45I mean, this is why we just need the word, don't we?
00:53:49Because if we know the Bible better, we're going to understand when we begin to see the
00:53:54counterfeit.
00:53:56And we're going to be able to call it out.
00:53:58And I'll tell you something, John, I'm very encouraged by.
00:54:02And that is that about two, three years ago, maybe closer to three now, the Lord told me
00:54:09to start bringing scripture up on my podcast, which was not necessarily a Christian podcast.
00:54:14They knew I was a Christian, but we were talking about things that were happening in the world.
00:54:19There, you know, there was some drama going on in our world in the last five years.
00:54:23So we had kind of built up a podcast that was hitting, you know, world things, but from
00:54:27a biblical perspective, but it wasn't a dogmatic preaching, you know, podcast.
00:54:34And the Lord asked me to begin bringing up the word.
00:54:37And that moved to, from my own Bible, and that moved to reading from my father's Bible
00:54:41at the start of each show.
00:54:43And now, every time I turn on a podcast, they're all reading the Bible.
00:54:48They're quoting the scripture.
00:54:49They're saying, well, this is it, not what he said, not how she's presenting it, not how
00:54:55the big wigs with all the money and the multi-million dollar mansions and the multi-level marketing
00:55:00schemes going on, pushing religion, not them, but this is what the Bible says.
00:55:06And so I thought I was going to be called like, oh, labeled like, you know, I'm the church
00:55:12lady, you know, from the old Saturday night skits.
00:55:14Listen, I'm, this is it.
00:55:16This will be the end.
00:55:16You know, Lord, you're telling me to do something that's not going to be helpful.
00:55:19I'm going to, you know, because I didn't see anyone else reading the word on podcasts.
00:55:25And he told me to do it.
00:55:26And I started doing it.
00:55:28And you know what?
00:55:29I got a greater audience.
00:55:31People supported me.
00:55:32They loved that I was doing it.
00:55:34It was better, but I had to just listen, even though I didn't understand about that.
00:55:39But now what you're saying, John, and what you're asking people to do is to understand
00:55:45the biblical roots of, uh, this is, um, this is sorcery and it's witchcraft entering the
00:55:54church and you're pointing it out.
00:55:55And so I know that sometimes you come under fire, but I would just like to ask your audience
00:56:01to be gracious to John, to support this man, to support this show that you're watching right
00:56:06now, to support what John is doing, because this is hard ground.
00:56:12You are digging up things that we need to know, and we need to be set free and please
00:56:18support John.
00:56:20He didn't ask me to say this, but when you do this kind of warfare, you get backlash and
00:56:26the enemy tries to hurt your family comes against you in all kinds of different ways.
00:56:31And John needs support.
00:56:32And I, I personally have just been so enlightened by what you teach.
00:56:37Well, thank you.
00:56:37Yes.
00:56:38I didn't ask for that, but, um, I, I do appreciate you saying it and it is hard.
00:56:43I've had people who I often have people as guests who have left the faith and I don't
00:56:50turn them away because what I understand from my own journey is that when you're in this type
00:56:57of religion, it is not the God of the Bible that you're serving.
00:57:01And so when people become atheists, many people become atheists thinking that they're an atheist,
00:57:06but really they've just left that false God behind.
00:57:09And I've had people come on who, I can just simply, like I mentioned the passage where
00:57:14it talks about Paul telling the people, don't let people accuse you for eating, eating food
00:57:21that's sacrificed to idols, et cetera.
00:57:23And that will spark some thread of memory that they had of some theology that was just
00:57:30so cumbersome, so burdening to them.
00:57:33And they'll go back and look it up and say, wait a minute, everything that I have been taught
00:57:36is not, can't be supported by that passage.
00:57:40What other passages can't be supported by it?
00:57:42So I bring it up from time to time.
00:57:45I do, for myself, I keep it as much as possible with the history, but welcome anybody, no matter
00:57:51what you believe or don't, to share your story.
00:57:54And through sharing each other's stories, we can learn, we can grow.
00:57:58And some people have come back to the faith.
00:58:00So it is helpful and it is a, it is a, um, it's a good thing to show that other people
00:58:08of different opinions can work together and learn from each other.
00:58:12This is good fruit.
00:58:13Um, this is good soil that you are, uh, planting and you are educating and teaching us.
00:58:21And if, if people, they are definitely seeing, I was going to say if they don't know, but actually
00:58:28they do, they are seeing that there is so much witchcraft in our charismatic, uh, religions
00:58:36in, you know, in our churches, probably every church has leaven that is trying to get into
00:58:42it.
00:58:42But if we, if we don't understand the roots of this, if we don't understand what we're
00:58:48really dealing with, we won't recognize it.
00:58:51And you're bringing the word of God to light.
00:58:54And thank you for reaching out to the sinners.
00:58:56That's what Jesus did, you know, like we, he didn't gaslight them and he didn't make
00:59:03them feel more shame.
00:59:04He just said, you know, be free.
00:59:07And even the adulterous woman, someone caught in the most shameful position of the era.
00:59:14And he says to her, you know, go your way and sin no more.
00:59:19Where are your accusers?
00:59:20That is the heart of Jesus to bring us to him, how much he loves us, you know?
00:59:27And so, so this is good.
00:59:29And I just appreciate you, John.
00:59:31I've had so much fun, uh, learning from you today and I hope we can do it again.
00:59:36It'd be great.
00:59:37So much fun.
00:59:38I enjoy it too.
00:59:38And you know, it's not that I'm against the charismatic churches.
00:59:41Some of them are actually pretty good, but if you have an Asherah pole in your church,
00:59:46don't you want to get it out?
00:59:49That's literally what this movement was.
00:59:51So thank you so much for doing this.
00:59:53You're welcome, John.
00:59:53Thanks for having me again.
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