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John Collins and McKinnon continue their in-depth exploration into William Branham’s “Adoption” doctrine and its influence on modern charismatic movements. They expose how Branham’s teaching of a “word for the age” replaced salvation through faith in Christ with loyalty to new revelation. Drawing direct lines from Branham to the New Apostolic Reformation, they analyze how a theology rooted in mysticism, pantheism, and esoteric thought evolved into the cultic systems seen today. The discussion compares scriptural truth with Branham’s distortions, examines the idolization of tapes and prophets, and reveals how persuasive charisma led countless believers to substitute emotional fervor for biblical faith.
00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Episode
00:32 How Branham’s “Word for the Age” Replaced the Gospel
02:25 Cultic Authority and Fear of Outside Information
05:20 Doctrinal Problems: Diminishing Christ and Changing the Gospel
07:01 Tape-Only Churches and Movement-Wide Confusion
10:40 Internal Message Criticism: A Minister Challenges Tape Worship
13:25 Emotional Manipulation and the Power of Persuasion
17:03 “Not Every Word Is Thus Saith the Lord”: Rising Internal Doubt
20:55 Infallibility Contradictions in Branham’s Teachings
23:17 The Shift Toward Mysticism and Pre-Existence Doctrine
29:56 Platonic and New Thought Roots Behind Branham’s Ideas
35:51 Blending Ancient Mysticism With Christianity
38:18 A Different Gospel: Recognition Theology and Loss of Biblical Salvation
44:00 Modalism in the Message and the Denial of Christ’s Deity
51:01 Closing Thoughts and Preview of Next Episode
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00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Episode
00:32 How Branham’s “Word for the Age” Replaced the Gospel
02:25 Cultic Authority and Fear of Outside Information
05:20 Doctrinal Problems: Diminishing Christ and Changing the Gospel
07:01 Tape-Only Churches and Movement-Wide Confusion
10:40 Internal Message Criticism: A Minister Challenges Tape Worship
13:25 Emotional Manipulation and the Power of Persuasion
17:03 “Not Every Word Is Thus Saith the Lord”: Rising Internal Doubt
20:55 Infallibility Contradictions in Branham’s Teachings
23:17 The Shift Toward Mysticism and Pre-Existence Doctrine
29:56 Platonic and New Thought Roots Behind Branham’s Ideas
35:51 Blending Ancient Mysticism With Christianity
38:18 A Different Gospel: Recognition Theology and Loss of Biblical Salvation
44:00 Modalism in the Message and the Denial of Christ’s Deity
51:01 Closing Thoughts and Preview of Next Episode
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:37I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at william-branham.org.
00:44And with me, I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKinnon, author of The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
00:53John, it's good to be back and to dive deeper into this adoption, spoken word heresy.
01:00We're getting to the point through your study and research, combined with what I've got put together for this episode,
01:07where we are talking about the point at which the gospel itself became twisted.
01:14And it was a corrupted gospel that changed to focus on progressive revelation.
01:20And what this did, this enabled cultic authority.
01:24And when you compare this cultic authority with biblical Christianity, faith in Christ alone,
01:30this turned into an evolving metaphysical type of gospel.
01:35And I grew up with the phrase, we need the word for the hour, the word for the age.
01:41There's different ways that the preachers twisted this.
01:43But essentially, salvation became linked to this so-called word for the age.
01:49And what it did was it laid this groundwork from which many of these ministries began to build upon,
01:56where no longer was the gospel the sole importance,
02:00but the new revelation by the leaders was the utmost importance.
02:04And it began in some of the more destructive groups, like the one I was in,
02:09the ongoing revelation actually became superior to the gospel.
02:14So I'm a little bit excited to get into this one.
02:17Well, John, once again, I'm just excited to continue our discussion,
02:22the last things we've been talking about.
02:24And I've got some information today to present that's going to make for an interesting show.
02:28So I believe this is our fourth episode of the Seeds of Adoption,
02:33and this will be maybe subtitled A Gospel Confusion.
02:38But I'm going to come out of the corner this time with both gloves on,
02:43and I'm going to pull no punches in this episode just to make everyone aware.
02:47In fact, I know an ardent message supporter and preacher
02:52who is now criticizing his own movement and saying that they must be criticized.
02:58I've never been one to really overtly be critical of groups in particular,
03:02but I do agree that we have to critically analyze, you know,
03:06what the ministers and movement is doing and saying and to try to understand that.
03:11So we can use critical thinking and present the facts at the same time,
03:15but while at the same time not be critical or very criticizing in our tone.
03:19So I don't feel like I'm too far out of bounds on this one,
03:22you know, knowing this message minister has decided to go critical on what they're saying.
03:27But, you know, John, the message, you know, never stops delivering the weird and the wild and the wacky.
03:33So I'm just amazed at the overabundance of material here that I can use.
03:37And I think we're going to feel like we've gone down a deep rabbit hole, you know, again, when this is done.
03:42And there's so many rabbit holes in the message that you can trace down.
03:45And so there's just plenty to pick from.
03:47But I think we can get enough of it out there, this information to the public,
03:51just to show this line of thought and where it comes from.
03:55And once you see where it's going, it's so hard to see how people can get themselves caught up in the cults.
04:01But people love, you know, what's promised to them, you know, when they can join this particular cult.
04:07It's power, it's prosperity, it's popularity.
04:10And the popularity is probably in their own ranks, at least.
04:13I can see, you know, what could be motivating them.
04:17They get full of the teaching and then become puffed up in beliefs,
04:21and then they close off to everything else.
04:23You know, in fact, believers of, say, the message here are warned not to look at other viewpoints at all
04:29because they fear losing eternal life.
04:32So believers of William Branham, you know, have really put all their eggs in one basket here.
04:37They've put blinders on themselves rather than being like the Bereans,
04:40who really took time to search the Scriptures on a daily basis
04:43just to be absolutely sure of what they were hearing was the truth.
04:47You know, if you do that, you wind up believing a false gospel,
04:51and the potential is there for embracing a false gospel.
04:55And then it brings a curse, you know, to go along with that.
04:58You know, it's really the blind leading the blind.
05:01And I think both will eventually fall into the ditch, although it may take time.
05:06And that sounds harsh, you know, but we're going to show even more quotes,
05:09you know, from William Branham, other ministers,
05:11that prove, you know, they're taking Christ, you know, the Son, off His rightful throne,
05:16and they're making Him a being that was not with God in the beginning before any creation.
05:22The Son becomes then the first one that came out from God as a light or a form,
05:27but was not even God because, you know, we heard last time,
05:30if you go back and listen to the third episode,
05:33the minister said very clearly on record that God had to step into that Son before it became God.
05:38You know, the gospel is sidelined through all these teachings
05:43and for something that's called a message, you know, which is not really the gospel.
05:47But it's clearly some teachings that a man just put together, you know,
05:51from all these other teachers that were in the past that he's heard about or read about
05:55and then called it the only truth for this age.
05:59And to believe his truth becomes eternal life, and then to reject his truth becomes death.
06:04So we're going to read that here in the Smyrnian church age here as we get started.
06:10But he said, this is William Brown speaking, he said,
06:13Now we have been constantly saying that the true evidence of being baptized with the Holy Ghost
06:18is for the believer, and here it is, to receive the word for the age in which he lives.
06:25So what he's saying there is that the word changes from age to age,
06:28and to even be saved, to know you've got the Holy Spirit, which is the true new birth evidence of salvation,
06:37to only know that you've got that, you've got to receive the word for the age.
06:40Now, of course, he is the only one with the word for the age, according to the movement.
06:45So therefore, you have to believe him.
06:47And this is how they bring all that in.
06:49So receiving the message for your age, you know, that's a code word for you have to believe everything William Brown teaches,
06:56if you can figure out which quotes to believe and which to discard.
07:01But I heard this very strong message minister recently, John, and we'll go into this in just a minute.
07:06He just said the other day that not everything William Brown said was, thus saith the Lord, or even true.
07:11So I'm not really sure how he or the followers can really decide what William Brown preached is okay to believe,
07:18and then what you have to discard.
07:20You would need some very powerful discernment there.
07:22And this well-known minister, who's made over 100 apologetic pro-message videos on YouTube,
07:28you know, if he has doubts about the words of William Brown, what do you think the average follower has?
07:33It just leaves you vulnerable to dependence on a pastor to tell you what to believe, or some leader.
07:39And the pastor will not get it right all the time.
07:41So if that pastor becomes corrupt, then the people, what are they going to do?
07:45They're going to suffer.
07:46They are going to suffer.
07:47And, you know, this hits home for me just a little bit.
07:50I've mentioned with Charles in our revival series, but our distinct flavor of the message, if you call it that,
07:57was the tape-only churches.
07:59We attended several churches where everybody would dress up in their nice Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, suit and tie all decked out,
08:07walk into a building, sing a few songs, and then some guy would come out on the platform and say,
08:12and now we're going to hear this tape from 1950 to 1965.
08:17And as a child, I thought this was normal.
08:19I thought, well, this is what everybody does when they go to church.
08:22And then I started talking with other people.
08:25I started understanding, no, this is very unusual.
08:28This is not what it should be.
08:29And then, because my family migrated all across the country, different churches, we would go to some churches where they're preaching,
08:37some churches where they're tape-only, and it got interesting because there were certain ministers who would condemn churches that we had just left.
08:47I mean, literally, a church in the city that we had lived in previously that played only the recordings,
08:54and we would, like I said, we would go sit and just listen to a two-hour recording from the 50s.
09:00They would be just condemning it and saying, those people, they're like wax figures.
09:04And so my mind as a child was a little bit torn.
09:07What do I do with this?
09:08I'm now going to a church that condemns what we previously did.
09:12And then, as life would continue, I would then go to another church that I had just been condemned for doing in the previous city.
09:20So it got really weird.
09:22But the hypocrisy in the movement is there are different groups that say that every single word that William Branham spoke is thus saith the Lord,
09:32meaning if it's on recording, it is prophetic.
09:36And even the mistakes, the glaring mistakes are prophetic.
09:39Biblical error, all kinds of hypocrisy that William Branham himself spoke.
09:44But what it turns into is the followers are manipulated through the dependence of the pastor
09:51because I'm not the only one who went from church to church.
09:56There are several who I know who migrated.
09:59And they can't trust the recordings.
10:00They can't trust William Branham.
10:02They can't trust the pastors.
10:03The pastors are all condemning each other.
10:05Now, bring this forward into the New Apostolic Reformation.
10:10This is literally laying the groundwork for this apostolic accountability crisis, if you call that, in the modern New Apostolic Reformation.
10:20When the Bible gets replaced with a new stream of revelation, what if that revelation has flaws?
10:26And what if a person hears that revelation, believes it's of God, and then goes to another church that just openly condemns that revelation?
10:35Well, what do you make of this?
10:36Which one is of God and which one is not?
10:38So I want to carry on.
10:40And just I'm getting sidelined for this episode a little bit because I don't even get into all the things I wanted to get into.
10:46But I want to talk about this video that was made, you know, recently.
10:49And I'm going to quote from this video, but I won't call the name, say, of the minister.
10:53But it said, he said,
10:55The purpose of the video was to expose preachers who exalt the tapes of William Branham to being equal with the Bible,
11:01with the end goal that the listeners will learn to rightly divide the word of truth.
11:06So, therefore, you have to listen to the tapes and then take the scriptures and try to divide the word of truth there.
11:12You can't just rely on the tapes.
11:14But Brother Branham said over and over again, you know, say only what the tapes say, right?
11:20So how do you reconcile those two statements together?
11:23And he says,
11:24And keep themselves from idolatry, from the idolatry of worshiping William Branham's tapes or William Branham.
11:30He said,
11:31Well, look at this lesson here and hope it's a good lesson that will help message believers not to idolize the tapes of Brother Branham nor Brother Branham himself.
11:39He said,
11:40Remember, friends, Brother Branham is said to make him infallible is one of the awfulest things you can do.
11:47He went on to say his Tommy Rod in this quote from 1962.
11:51So that's one reason why I'm making this video.
11:53It's awful in the sight of God to exalt William Branham and his tapes to being equal with the Bible.
11:58It's awful.
11:59It's an antichrist spirit.
12:00It's idolatry.
12:02It needs to be called out by the grace of God.
12:04Preachers who worship the tapes should be criticized.
12:07They should be rebuked and called out.
12:10When you listen to a sermon, be in communion with the Holy Ghost and ask the Holy Ghost to help you discern truth from error so you can accept the truth.
12:18So again, idolizing Brother Branham's tapes is due criticism and it should be criticized.
12:23So, John, I think he's right on in line with what we're doing.
12:28You know, we're not being so overly critical as he is, but we are using critical thinking, which we all should be doing.
12:33He's finally admitting that you have to use critical thinking.
12:37I think that's so amazing here, and I think it's a step in the right direction.
12:41You know, and one day I have hopes of this minister, you know, even coming to see the truth and to see how the scriptures do not compare, you know, with the message.
12:49But he even says you cannot make the tapes, the tapes, people who worship the tapes should be criticized.
12:57They should be called out.
12:59So, John, that's what, you know, we've been doing and you've been doing probably the longest for the last 13, 14 years is calling out, you know, error when it's error.
13:09And that's what we're called to do.
13:10We're called to defend the gospel and to call out those and be critical of those who are, in fact, preaching a different gospel.
13:18So, here he goes on.
13:20He says, point number four is just the point about the power of persuasion.
13:24Now, this gets into another thing, John, you focused on, I focused on, and others, is that you can have a very charismatic person who has no truth at all, but they have the power of persuasion.
13:35If you think of it like, I hate to say even the name Hitler, but he was very powerful in his persuasive speaking to sway a multitude of people the wrong way.
13:44And the same way, these men, not everyone has this gift, but there are those in society that have this gift of speaking.
13:52They can persuade anybody to buy anything.
13:55So, they would be great salesmen, in other words.
13:58But preachers that are gifted in this way, they can persuade you to believe anything, you know, even to the death.
14:05So, he said, I watched this service.
14:09It was a youth meeting here in the United States, and this preacher is so charismatic because of his charm, his passion, his enthusiasm, he causes the audience to believe him because of how he speaks rather than what he speaks.
14:21Now, John, there it is again.
14:23You know, we've told if you're not speaking according to Scripture, you know, no matter how persuasive you are, there's no reason to believe you.
14:30But people will believe you generally, and they won't even listen to what you say as they're looking at how you're acting, your enthusiasm, and they get caught up into that just like they get caught up into other things and get under this hypnotism of the minister.
14:45It says, he causes the audience to believe him because of how he speaks rather than what he speaks because he's so good at talking, so emotional, sweating all the way through his shirt, shouting, praising God, dancing all around.
14:55The people get emotional and persuaded just because of his charisma.
15:00And they're not listening to what he's saying.
15:02They're just excited about how he's saying it.
15:04You know, the hundreds of youth and adults in attendance at this youth meeting are all jumping up and shouting.
15:10Preachers are standing and shouting, punching at the air, agreeing with the false doctrines.
15:15They're agreeing with idolatry because of the emotional buildup.
15:18Now, John, I have to remind the listeners here that what he's saying here is in a message service.
15:23It's just one of the many splinter groups, branches of the message, which this thing has gone into.
15:28And here he is critical of his own movement.
15:32And friends, he goes on.
15:34And remember, I've got a video with over 60 proofs that not every word on tape is thus saith the Lord.
15:40I kept adding to that amount.
15:42And I have probably over 100 by now.
15:43So my question here is, if you've got over 100 instances where the tapes are wrong, you know, how many more is in there that's wrong?
15:53And how reliable are the words of William Branham?
15:57Simple proofs.
15:58He goes on.
15:59Simple proofs that not every word on tape is thus saith the Lord.
16:01Now, he has over 100.
16:03Anyone that says that is insane or deceived.
16:06Well, we've been saying all along that the message believers are deceived because they're relying on the words of William Branham when they depart from Scripture.
16:15But he says, anyone that says every word on tape is thus saith the Lord is foolish.
16:19They either have no discernment or they've neglected their discernment gift that does not operate anymore.
16:25And they don't believe everything Brother Branham said because Brother Branham said he's not infallible.
16:30So they're lying, saying they believe everything when in reality they don't.
16:36You know, I'm going to read a quote here in just a minute.
16:39But he says, Brother Branham's not infallible.
16:42But I'm going to read a quote, and it's a couple of ways.
16:45One place he says he's not infallible and he condemns it.
16:48But in the other place he says he has the power of infallibility.
16:52And we'll see that.
16:53So he says, and the people should be so bold that they stand behind every word from 47 to 65, the year of the tapes.
17:01He said, I'm sorry, that's idolatry because he says, just like standing behind every word from Genesis to Revelation, that's complete, total idolatry.
17:09And again, hundreds of young people are jumping up and shouting in this open book revival youth meeting.
17:14Preachers are standing up, punching the air, shouting.
17:17He said, I got the video of it.
17:19Friends, any honest person would admit that the tapes are not infallible.
17:23So he's calling people like me devils.
17:25He's calling anyone that uses any kind of discernment devils.
17:30So you see, even the people in this message eat their own.
17:34You know, you can take one message minister here, one there, and they're going to fight each other because nobody agrees on the same message.
17:41Nobody agrees in how Brother Branham preached it as the same way.
17:46There's so many splinters and so many denominations in this message that they're not united.
17:53You know, how are they ever going to get united for, say, a rapture?
17:58As William Branham preached it, the church has to be united.
18:02So now you've got one group thinking they're the only group and then another small group thinking they're the only group.
18:06So maybe one of them is the right one.
18:09But honestly, they never can tell which is the right one.
18:12So I could go on and on with this, but I have to stop for the sake of time here.
18:16And I really think this brother will one day could reject the message and start preaching the Bible truth, or at least I hope he does.
18:22You know, the statements he's made in this video, you know, show signs that he's slowly waking up.
18:27So I hope that God will one day send that little nugget that lodges so deep in his heart.
18:31He just can't get over it like it did with us.
18:34We had some nugget come along that lodged so deep in our hearts, we just could not get over it.
18:39And then it caused us to come out.
18:41So I'll read some of the comments on the video which show the confusion, you know, of the message believers.
18:47One person says, thank you for the tips, Pastor.
18:49Honestly, the tape doctrine is getting out of hand.
18:51Hopefully all tape brethren see this.
18:53He says, another one says, but the tapes was God's word for this hour.
18:58And then another one says, Brother William Branham, tapes and sermons are the mirror of the King James Bible.
19:03He says, but the King James Bible was an absolute.
19:05And another one says, God bless you, Pastor.
19:08Do you mean that we should not be following everything in the tapes?
19:12And another one asks, what about Revelations 5?
19:15And another one says, you're approaching this at such an interesting angle because you still believe what Prophet Branham said.
19:21He said, but you need to understand that since Branham is the true prophet, he's the one likened to the Son of Man.
19:26His ministry is essentially co-equal with Jesus Christ.
19:30Well, another one says, shame on you, brother.
19:32You ought to be busy with your own and stop focusing on someone's calling.
19:36This is just what a man lacking revelation looks like.
19:40And so they're eating their own here.
19:43I mean, it's disintegrating.
19:46And also he says, and they don't believe everything Brother Branham said because Brother Branham said he's not infallible.
19:52So I'm going to go into that just a little bit.
19:54The claim of infallibility.
19:57You know, here's one quote from Key to the Door in 1962.
19:59He says that they claim in here that some brethren up here said that I sent them up there and they're preaching that men should leave their wives, hunt for their spiritual mate, and that I'm perfectly infallible.
20:10That's what William Branham said in 62.
20:13And then when he published the Church Ages, he allowed this statement to get in there.
20:18He said, who then will have the power of infallibility, which is to be restored in this last age?
20:24So on one sense he's saying, I'm not infallible, but then on the other sense he says, the power of infallibility is going to be restored.
20:31He said, for this last age is going to go back to manifesting the pure word bride.
20:36That means we'll have the word once again as it was given, perfectly understood in the days of Paul.
20:41He said, I will tell you who will have it.
20:43So right there he's saying somebody's going to have it.
20:45He said, it will be a prophet, as thoroughly vindicated or even more thoroughly vindicated than was any prophet in all the ages from Enoch to this day.
20:54Because this man will have necessity, the capstone ministry, prophetic ministry, and God will show him forth, in other words, manifest him.
21:02So that's in the Laodicean Church Age, in the Church Age book.
21:05But right there he's saying, there is somebody, and it's the prophet of the age, going to have the power of infallibility.
21:11So on one sense he says, I'm not infallible.
21:13On the other sense he says, I am infallible because I'm the prophet of the age, and people know him to be that.
21:19So John, you know, the message is really a mess.
21:22And the message is currently in the worst mess I think it's ever been in.
21:26It's rapidly collapsing and falling as ministers are waking up that they've been hoodwinked all these years.
21:31You know, so it's going to be another exciting ride here, no matter which side you're on right now.
21:36What I'm saying about the message teaching is going to be the truth.
21:39It's going to be what they teach.
21:40But the thing we have to do from here is see if it's scriptural or not.
21:43If we find out it's not scriptural, then you realize you've gone down the rabbit hole.
21:47And that's where all this matters.
21:48You know, scripture matters.
21:49And to me, that's the starting place.
21:51There were many reasons why I decided to leave the group, but this is probably one of the bigger ones.
21:56Once I realized that the new revelations were more important than scripture, and in many cases had actually replaced scripture.
22:06And more to the point, there were certain new revelations that were supposed to be thus saith the Lord or spoken word, the voice of God, whatever you want to call it.
22:16And those new revelations would be directly in conflict with the Bible itself.
22:21And people in the group would choose the conflicting, problematic statements by Branham and even some of the ministers who had these new revelations, whatever they want to call it.
22:34They would choose those over the actual Bible.
22:37And I remember having not arguments, but I guess you'd call it heated discussions over some statements that were in conflict.
22:46And I always chose the Bible side, but I would watch how they reacted, and you could clearly tell that there were people who either they were just confused and they wanted to ignore the confusion, or they outright rejected the Bible over the new spoken word.
23:00I actually had one person who, it was a black and white, clear, you know, it was a clear, obvious discrepancy between the two.
23:09And he chose the discrepancy over the Bible purposefully, knowingly.
23:14And for me, this was a big problem, but it goes to show just how indoctrinated the people are.
23:20And that indoctrination just continues to grow and develop.
23:24It's grew into the mess that we have today, and we see all kinds of ministries that are doing the same thing.
23:28So, John, I want to briefly continue and carry on with the minister that we were quoting last time in Episode 3 that made these videos on the Godhead and what he says about Christ.
23:40So, we'll review quickly here.
23:41He said, Out of God comes this theophonic form.
23:44You know, notice that he's not saying it's God, but it's just a form.
23:48It's an attribute or a thought.
23:50He said, This came out from God.
23:51It was the Son of God in a prefigure.
23:54And so, I looked at that word prefigure and saw what it meant.
23:58And prefigure, what it really means, it's not the real thing.
24:03So, he's saying that what came out of God was not really God.
24:07It's just an early sign, or it wasn't really the Son of God as yet.
24:11It was just a Son of God in a prefigure.
24:13So, here you have, if you had Father, Son, Holy Spirit dwelling as God, and then out came from God this prefigure of the Son of God, then God is still God, and this Son is really not God.
24:26So, now you've diminished the deity of Jesus Christ already.
24:29So, what this definition of prefigure means is an early sign, a symbol, or a prototype of something that comes later.
24:38The real thing is the actual full or final version that the prefigure points toward.
24:44A prefigure is also a hint, a shadow, a preview of the real thing, the fulfillment, or the actual event of person's idea.
24:52So, what he's saying is the prefigure was, prior to the Word coming in flesh, this was just a prefigure.
25:00And even what he says in that video, he said that the Spirit of God had to come into that prefigure so it could speak as God.
25:08So, he said, alright, now, as he goes on here, he said, this came out of God, it was the Son of God in a prefigure.
25:16He said, now, making the eternal Spirit a Father, because out from him had come something when the Logos came out from God.
25:24He said, the purpose of the first Son of God was to declare the Father.
25:28Then, that would be our purpose, also as children of God, our purpose is to declare the Father.
25:34And we see the Spirit of God like a dove coming into this vessel.
25:37Now, we're going further when he goes down to the River Jordan, after Jesus was born and lived 30 years and got baptized.
25:44He said, and now, the Word is quickened into manifestation.
25:48He said, and now, he's the fullness of the Godhead bodily on earth.
25:51So, now, we even have the Son of God, when he's born in Christ, as in the manger, was not fully God.
25:58And that's contrary to Christian teaching, contrary to the Scripture, because he was born Christ the Lord.
26:04He was the Lord at birth.
26:06But here he's saying, he was not the fullness of Godhead until the River Jordan.
26:11He said, and now, this is now Christ.
26:14It's a theophany.
26:15It's the body for Jehovah.
26:16It's the anointing.
26:18Now, this becomes extremely significant.
26:20And yes, it does to them, because they want to put themselves inside the Godhead.
26:25You know, as Jesus was a thought of God, they were thoughts of God.
26:28And so, therefore, they're trying to equate themselves with God.
26:32And that's what William Branham's teaching was doing.
26:34And we're going to see some of the ancient ones.
26:36This teaching is not new.
26:38It's esoteric, it's mystical, and it's not even Christian.
26:43Okay, he said, he was the firstborn among many brethren.
26:47Then each of God's sons must come into manifestation for the same purpose.
26:52As long as we have the Word and our understanding matches God's thought behind the Word, that's Christ.
26:58As soon as we inject a misunderstanding, a theological term, that's not right.
27:02Some conjecture or doctrine or dogma that's not scriptural, then it's no longer Christ.
27:06It's no longer the seed Word of God.
27:07It's hybrid.
27:09So, we see there, even what he's saying there.
27:12So, you take some of William Branham's teachings, and you can't rely on all the tapes being the truth, as this other minister has said.
27:19Then, what is he saying there?
27:21It becomes hybrid.
27:23So, the message is just a hybrid form of Christianity, if you can't rely on the tapes being true.
27:29And so, we see that what he's saying there, he's trying to throw off on the denominational world as being unscriptural.
27:36Then, he's trying to say, well, we're the only ones that is scriptural.
27:39We're the only ones with the truth.
27:41But, let's go on what he says here.
27:43Each believer's seed of predestination, and that's one of the believer's seed, the thoughts in God of predestination, to be quickened by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus was quickened.
27:55He said, the word was there, meaning, what he means there is we were in God's thought and existed as a thought like Jesus from eternity past.
28:02The word was there in Jesus, but it had to be quickened to bring forth the predestinated manifestation.
28:09And he says it's exactly the same truth for every believer.
28:13So, again, John, this is very subtle.
28:15This minister is placing believers on par with Jesus.
28:18Whereas Jesus was God's son, and there's no other like him.
28:21So, God's plan really is to save sinners who deserve death through the cross, and then adopt them into his family, and then allow them to be like Christ, not that they were like Christ from the beginning.
28:34Never were they like Christ or had any preexistence as tangible thoughts or one of God's attributes in eternity past.
28:42God shows his power, of course, and that's what makes him great, by transforming the fallen nature of man into sons and daughters and being adopted, whereas we were not a people, but now we're allowed to be adopted into the family of God.
28:58I'll read a quote here, William Branham stated in Paradox 1964.
29:03He said, God in the beginning is the word.
29:06He always was the word, and the word is a thought that's expressed, see?
29:10Now, in his thinking, what he had, the whole plan, knowing the end from the beginning, he just expressed it in words, and those words are manifested.
29:19And so, that's a way of saying that every thought of God is being manifest, so all the seed of God are being manifest.
29:25You are being manifest as God on earth.
29:28Jesus was manifest as God on earth, and so forth.
29:30So, here is again an identified masterpiece of God, 1964.
29:36William Branham states,
29:37Now that God had us in his thinking, we have eternal life, because then he spoke us, and we come into existence.
29:45And a word is just a thought manifested.
29:47God had us in the beginning in his thoughts.
29:50So, we're going to find out where this comes from here, right now.
29:54Well, you know, scripture emphasizes eternal life as a gift.
29:59It's received by faith.
30:01In John 3.16, Romans 6.23, and even Galatians.
30:05It starts at conversion, when you're converted from a sinner to a saint.
30:09It culminates in the resurrection from the dead.
30:12It's not an inherent, preexistent part of God.
30:15So, Branham's view here risks blurring the creator-creation distinction.
30:21It leans toward pantheism, that all is God, so we were always God in the beginning.
30:26And another thing, there's no direct biblical support for eternal life, implying preexistence as God's attributes.
30:33This is more philosophical.
30:35It's influenced by new thought idealism.
30:38Now, I'll tell you where I got some of these thoughts here that I'm reading.
30:40I actually got them off of Gronk, which is one of the AI things you can get off the internet.
30:48And I just keyed in some of these quotes that William Branham was saying.
30:52And I tried to find the root of it.
30:54So, I said, is there anything scripturally supporting these ideas?
30:58And they said there's no direct biblical support for them.
31:01He said, here's more quotes from the Gronk that I input.
31:05Branham's idealism, thoughts as real substance, echoes Plato's forms more than scripture.
31:11No verse explicitly calls humans eternal thoughts or real pre-creation entities.
31:17This could imply souls are uncreated or eternal.
31:21Scripture portrays the word, Christ, as the agent of creation.
31:24But humans are created beings, not pre-existent thoughts expressed.
31:29And also, Branham's quickened into manifestation idea adds a metaphysical layer absent in the Bible.
31:37Similar to a New Age concept of thoughts becoming reality via faith, for instance.
31:42But scripture ties manifestation to God's sovereign acts, not inherent eternity in us.
31:49This is another thing we've been saying.
31:50It risks elevating humans.
31:52If we're expressed like the word, it blurs the distinction between Christ as being eternally begotten and adopted sons, which we are.
32:02So, we're not eternal like Christ was, and we're not God like Christ is.
32:07So, here's another divergence from scripture.
32:10His mysticism, Branham's mysticism, extends beyond biblical bounds,
32:15introducing extra-scriptural ideas like eternal thoughts or real substance, and potential godhood.
32:20This can lead to over-spiritualization, diminishing human sinfulness, which is what we've said, and the need for redemption.
32:27So, we risk losing our humanity in that we were fallen creatures before God.
32:33And then we risk, and in fact, we lose our identity with God instead of looking up to Him for salvation.
32:40And we look within ourselves that we already had in the beginning.
32:44And just because we're recognizing a manifestation in William Brown, that brought us to life.
32:49It's a very dangerous teaching, John, and it's a false gospel.
32:54And I'll be reading some teachers here that actually started some of these ideas.
32:57So, this borders on pantheism, like we are part of God.
33:01It sounds like New Age.
33:02It also elevates the bride.
33:04It implies the church completes God's self-expression.
33:07And Brenham originated the phrasing that he uses, but the conceptual DNA is in all these other teachers.
33:15Like, I'll mention a few that Grok found.
33:19Joel Goldsmith, Ernest Holmes, Meister Eckhart.
33:22He was a medieval mystic.
33:24And also, William Law was in the 18th century.
33:26Joel Goldsmith said,
33:29You existed in the mind of God as a spiritual idea before Abraham.
33:33Ernest Holmes said,
33:34Man is an eternal thought in the divine mind predestined to appear.
33:38Meister Eckhart, who was a medieval mystic, said,
33:41The eye which I see God is the same eye which God sees me.
33:45William Law said,
33:46The soul is a thought of God.
33:48God no more can be without it than without Himself.
33:50So, Joel Goldsmith was around the 1890s, early 1900s to 1964 when he passed away.
34:01Ernest Holmes was living up to 1960.
34:05And, of course, this goes back to Plato even.
34:08He said,
34:08Souls are preexistent forms, ideas in the divine mind.
34:13Souls exist in the realm of forms, eternal ideas.
34:17So, it's all about Platonic ideas.
34:19There's also Rudolf Steiner, 1861 to 1925.
34:24The human being is an eternal thought of the Godhead,
34:28preexisting in the divine world.
34:30That came from Theosophy in 1904 published.
34:34So, you can go on and on with these ideas and see where they came from, John.
34:38They're not new, and they're esoteric.
34:40They're mystics, and they came from people with some crazy ideas that we see here.
34:46And they're definitely not biblical.
34:47Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started,
34:52or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign,
34:57charismatic, and other fringe movements into the new apostolic reformation?
35:01You can learn this and more on William Branham Historical Research's website,
35:06william-branham.org.
35:09On the books page of the website,
35:11you can find the compiled research of John Collins, Charles Paisley,
35:15Stephen Montgomery, John McKinnon, and others,
35:18with links to the paper, audio, and digital versions of each book.
35:22You can also find resources and documentation on various people
35:27and topics related to those movements.
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35:48One of the things I like most about studying history
35:50is that you learn where many of these so-called new revelations come from.
35:55It's interesting because they're being presented as though they're divine revelations,
35:59something new, something fresh.
36:01They'll use phrases like fresh manna from above or fresh manna from God.
36:06But you find out that it is much like the ancient mystics used to teach.
36:11And it's essentially mysticism.
36:13So what has happened is somebody, in this case William Branham,
36:17but there's many others that were doing this during the same time period,
36:20they would study some of the ancient non-Christian religions
36:24and start to understand the concepts of those ancient spirits of evil
36:30and then mix it with Christianity.
36:32And this new thing that they created was essentially a new gospel.
36:35It replaced the gospel of Paul.
36:38And William Branham was no—he wasn't even trying to cover it up.
36:41He would say things like,
36:43the gospel for Paul's day is different from mine.
36:46Those who—he claimed to have this vision of seeing people on the other side.
36:50And he said all of this massive amount of people were saying,
36:54we're of Paul, so we're saved.
36:56And he would say, we're resting on your gospel,
37:00your new version of the gospel.
37:02He would separate it.
37:03And he would say things like,
37:04the gospel for Moses' day won't work today,
37:08fully admitting in that statement that he doesn't understand the gospel
37:12because Moses came before the gospel.
37:15Even the timeline doesn't match.
37:16So when you study history,
37:18from biblical history to just the ancient histories,
37:23the ancient mythologies,
37:24you begin to understand that what they're doing is
37:26they're combining a lot of heresy
37:27and a lot of just ancient mysticism into Christianity,
37:32creating a new gospel,
37:33and it's replacing the gospel that we have today.
37:36The problem that I have with it is
37:38if I am a—if I'm going to watch a football game
37:42and I go to a stadium expecting to watch a football game
37:46and suddenly a marching band comes on
37:48and it's a band concert,
37:50am I going to enjoy the football game?
37:52That's what they're doing with church.
37:54They're going to hear the gospel,
37:55but instead they're hearing ancient heresies,
37:58ancient mysticisms,
37:59and yes, they use the name Jesus
38:02and they say it's Christianity,
38:03but it is something entirely different than Christianity.
38:07It's a new gospel.
38:08It's a new revelation.
38:10And quite frankly, it is anti-biblical.
38:13So now, John, I think to come on down to the end of this for today,
38:17of course, we don't have time to get into the other minister
38:19I wanted to get into.
38:21It's taken a while.
38:21But that's okay.
38:23But I'm going to read a key quote
38:26that William Branham stated that really diminishes Christ.
38:29It takes him off the throne
38:31and does not make him God.
38:34So this came from the Smyrnian Church Age
38:36and the exposition of the Church Ages.
38:39Here he says, again, note,
38:41Jesus was the royal seed.
38:43He lived in a human body.
38:45He said,
38:46When the Spirit, which is God,
38:48called to him,
38:49and then he puts in parentheses,
38:51the word manifested thought.
38:54He went to Jordan and was there baptized in water.
38:57So he's calling Jesus just a word manifested thought.
39:01And he's saying the Spirit, of course, being God,
39:04he has to have that oneness concept in this,
39:07that the Spirit, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one person.
39:11And then he said he called to him,
39:13which was not another person of, say, Godhead being God himself.
39:18He was just a word manifested thought.
39:21He was a logos, but not the logos.
39:24He was a word.
39:26And it took, of course, the River Jordan for God to fully indwell Christ.
39:32Now, that diminishes Christ right there.
39:35So when such strange ideas are presented to people,
39:39you know, they have to do these mental gymnastics,
39:41you know, to overcome the doubt.
39:43They wonder about these.
39:45And because they fully believe that they have to believe in this message of the hour for salvation,
39:51they do their best to latch on to it
39:53and somehow incorporate it into their own belief system,
39:56you know, regardless of whether it's scriptural or not.
39:58And that's the technique that all ministers use.
40:02They invoke the prophet's mantle and authority for teaching these strange ideas.
40:07Same way in this one,
40:08I'll read what this minister said in this three-part series on Godhead.
40:11He has to bring the prophet in at some point.
40:15So he's been hinting at over and over that God's done something in this day.
40:19So now he says God has sun-dried time sent forth the prophets.
40:22When each one comes for those things to happen for that age,
40:25he sent forth prophets.
40:27The word of the Lord always comes to the prophets,
40:29the prophet for that age.
40:31And each time the only thing that the prophet did
40:33was manifest exactly the promise to that age.
40:36So Jesus being no more than a man, a prophet,
40:39a seed, a word manifested, thought of God.
40:42He just manifested God for that age.
40:45Now keep listening.
40:46He said,
40:46And we had an event in June 1933
40:48that probably most of you don't know about.
40:51But on the Ohio River right here in the United States,
40:53a man named William Branham was down on the Ohio River
40:55baptizing converts.
40:56And there came a great light down from heaven
40:58and a voice spoke out from that light,
41:00said,
41:01As John the Baptist will forerun,
41:03you know,
41:03forerun the first coming of Christ of the Lord.
41:06So your message,
41:07your word,
41:08will forerun the coming word.
41:10So we've already had that announcement.
41:12The ministry didn't begin in fullness
41:13until actually the same time Israel became a nation
41:16around 46, 47.
41:18That's when this ministry began to be
41:19and actually started a revival
41:21amongst the Pentecostal people.
41:24So the minister already said
41:25that all the thoughts of God were put in Christ.
41:28So that's how you were in Christ
41:30when he died at Calvary.
41:31And I want to say this.
41:34This is another quote.
41:35He goes further.
41:36But see,
41:36he had to invoke the prophet here
41:38to be able to bring this idea out
41:39because he's going to go into this idea next
41:42on how you were in Christ at Calvary.
41:45And really,
41:46it goes back to
41:47since you were in the thoughts of God,
41:49it said all that God was,
41:50he poured into Christ.
41:51So all those attributes of God
41:53were poured into that form
41:54and you were part of that.
41:56So that's how you were in Christ.
41:58It's not that you,
42:00the way the Bible teaches being in Christ
42:02is that you have to be saved
42:04and filled with the Holy Spirit,
42:06baptized by the Holy Spirit
42:07into the body of Christ.
42:09That's the only way you were in Christ.
42:11You were not a thought of God
42:14that was poured into Christ
42:15from eternity past.
42:18Okay, here's where he quotes.
42:20I'm going to read this.
42:20All those names that were on the Lamb's Book of Life
42:22are now nailed to the cross
42:24because he says,
42:26all your names were put into Christ.
42:28He says,
42:28so in symbolism,
42:29you paid your price within him on Calvary.
42:33Now listen to what he says here.
42:35And then your recognition of the word
42:37that God sends to the H
42:39identifies you back to the blood of Jesus Christ
42:42that you can claim what he did for you.
42:45So John, we see there,
42:47this is the change of the gospel.
42:48This is just a false gospel
42:50because it says,
42:51you have to have your recognition
42:52of the word for the H.
42:54And that has,
42:55you have to do that
42:56to be identified
42:57with the blood of Jesus Christ
42:59so that you can claim
43:01what he did for you.
43:03And that just goes contrary to scripture
43:05because the scripture says,
43:06believe on the Lord Jesus Christ only
43:08and you shall be saved.
43:10The scripture says,
43:11all that call upon the name of the Lord
43:13shall be saved.
43:15The scripture says,
43:16there's no name given among heaven
43:17and nothing else given among heaven
43:20by which men are to be saved
43:21rather than the name of Jesus Christ.
43:22So for you to say,
43:24I have to believe a word
43:25that God's sending for the age,
43:27which we know William Branham said,
43:29the worthy apostles,
43:30Jesus Christ and him crucified
43:31will not work in this age.
43:33Well, now he's now changed the gospel
43:36to say,
43:37you got to believe the word for the age
43:38to even claim the blood of Jesus Christ.
43:41That's just outright here.
43:42See, John,
43:43it's a different gospel.
43:45And I'm sad to say,
43:46it just has brought a curse.
43:49And I just hope one day that soon
43:51that they'll see that.
43:53But he also goes on,
43:54he says,
43:54if you want scripture for that,
43:55if we walk in the light
43:56as he is in the light,
43:57we got fellowship one with another.
43:59That's you and God
44:00and the blood of his son
44:01cleanses us from all sin.
44:03He says,
44:04so therefore,
44:05it's recognizing what God is doing
44:07in your day
44:07that links you back to Calvary.
44:10See,
44:10it's no longer just believe
44:12on the Lord Jesus Christ.
44:13You got to recognize
44:14that God was in Brother Branham
44:16and that his message
44:17is from the Lord
44:18to link you back to Calvary.
44:20You know,
44:21that's a very dangerous teaching there
44:22because then what does it do
44:23for everybody else?
44:24It puts them out
44:25of the economy of God.
44:26Anybody,
44:27any denomination
44:28that just believes
44:29on the Lord Jesus Christ
44:29for salvation,
44:31technically,
44:31this takes them
44:32out of the economy of God.
44:35He said,
44:36when Jesus ascended on high,
44:38Christ,
44:38which is the Logos,
44:39had finished his work,
44:40he said,
44:40in that form.
44:42Now we're going to get into
44:43how he gets into modalism
44:45and how the message teaching
44:47is just another version
44:48of modalism,
44:49which was also condemned
44:51as a heresy,
44:52you know,
44:52back in the early church.
44:53He said,
44:54he finished his work
44:55in that form,
44:56the body that paid the price
44:58for our sins.
44:58He says,
44:59so that form,
45:00which was Jesus Christ,
45:02he said,
45:02was no longer needed.
45:04Now,
45:04I'll say right on,
45:05that form is still needed today.
45:07Jesus is on his throne.
45:09God is fully indwelling Christ.
45:11And in fact,
45:12Jesus is God
45:13in his body there.
45:15He's no longer human
45:16because it's just without blood.
45:19But it's still,
45:20Christ is still God
45:21and that form
45:22is desperately needed.
45:23He's there to make intercessions
45:25for us.
45:26And,
45:27but he said,
45:27the form's no longer needed.
45:28He said,
45:28now it was going to become
45:30a many member body.
45:31So now that same life
45:33departs out of that body.
45:35But I can say,
45:36John,
45:36that God may have given us
45:38eternal life,
45:39but the eternal life
45:40did not depart
45:41out of that body
45:42except on the cross of Calvary
45:44for that brief time,
45:45you know,
45:46three days and three nights
45:47until God came back
45:48and raised Jesus from the dead.
45:50He said,
45:51now,
45:52listen to this.
45:52He said,
45:53God is not dwelling
45:54in one body,
45:54Jesus of Nazareth,
45:55but now in the body of believers,
45:56the true church.
45:57I agree with that.
45:58So it's not another God
46:00or another God person
46:01of the Godhead.
46:02He said,
46:02but it's always the same God
46:03taking on these various forms.
46:05And he said,
46:07also,
46:09when man was made
46:10in the image of God,
46:11that's in Genesis 1,
46:1226,
46:1327,
46:14that image was that logos form
46:16that we talked about previously.
46:18And then God came down
46:19in the image of man.
46:20That's when God stepped
46:21into the man,
46:22Jesus,
46:22the tabernacle,
46:23to redeem man.
46:25He said,
46:26Jesus said,
46:26I came from God,
46:27go to God.
46:28Oh, friends,
46:29if only the church
46:29could recognize
46:30what they are on earth
46:31as manifestations of God.
46:33So we see,
46:35that's where it falls back
46:36in the message teaching
46:37that William Branham
46:39always said
46:39the rapture would only come
46:40when the church recognized
46:42who she really was.
46:44But I'll say that
46:45his teaching
46:46is telling people
46:47things that
46:49really aren't true.
46:50So they really,
46:51if they're believing it,
46:52it's really not going to be
46:53tangible to them
46:54and become real.
46:55Because how can you teach
46:56something unscriptural
46:58and for it to be real?
47:00It just,
47:00it doesn't even exist.
47:02It's not even real.
47:04So this minister
47:05also has to throw off
47:06on the other ages,
47:08they would call it,
47:09like the Lutheran age,
47:10Wesleyan age,
47:10Pentecostal age,
47:11just to say
47:12they didn't have the word
47:13that they needed.
47:15They just had part of the word.
47:17And that's how they,
47:17they only say
47:18we have the full word
47:20in this age,
47:20but it wasn't so
47:21in the other ages.
47:22Well,
47:23if they didn't have the word
47:24in the other ages,
47:24how was anybody even saved?
47:26You know,
47:27did God just wink at their ignorance
47:28and save them anyway?
47:29No,
47:30they had the gospel back then.
47:31And the same way
47:32the same gospel they had
47:33is the same gospel
47:34that saves us today.
47:36It's not another gospel
47:37like we're seeing,
47:38you know,
47:38these ministers talking about.
47:40And that's why
47:41this minister in the beginning
47:42that we talked about
47:43said,
47:43well,
47:43you can't believe
47:44every word
47:44William Branham says
47:45because a lot of it's
47:47not gospel truth.
47:48A lot of it's not
47:49thus saith the Lord.
47:50And I would totally agree
47:51with that.
47:52So here he goes
47:53to throw off
47:54on these other movements.
47:55He said,
47:55Lutheran movements,
47:56it isn't the fullness.
47:57Wesleyan movement
47:58brought more word.
48:00When Pentecost began,
48:01they actually thought
48:02that it was
48:02the final restoration,
48:04but actually it was
48:04on the shuck
48:05that holds the grain.
48:08And it said,
48:08then at harvest time,
48:09the message opens
48:10the seven seals,
48:11reveals Christ
48:12in a supernatural ministry
48:13to show you
48:14who you are,
48:15what you are in Christ
48:16through the unveiled mysteries
48:17that have been brought
48:18to us in this last day.
48:19A message that God
48:20has sent
48:21for your sake
48:22and my sake.
48:23And that's pretty much
48:24how he ends there.
48:25But I'll say,
48:26just like we've just
48:27gone and shown you,
48:28these mysteries,
48:29these message mysteries
48:31that have been brought
48:32really came from
48:33these other things
48:34like Platonism
48:36and these other
48:37New Age concepts,
48:38these mystics
48:39from the medieval ages,
48:41they really came out
48:42of there.
48:43And so it's just
48:43Christian mysticism
48:44and New Age thought.
48:46It's really not
48:47the gospel.
48:48So it's a shame
48:49that they've lashed
48:50on these things,
48:51but then again,
48:52like we said before,
48:53they looked at something
48:55they thought was supernatural
48:56and heard all these
48:57miraculous things
48:58that happened
48:59and they latched on to them,
49:00which many,
49:02you know,
49:02probably 99% of them
49:04are not supernatural
49:05and were not miracles
49:06and were not prophecies
49:08as we've shown before
49:09very clearly.
49:10You know,
49:10they didn't come to pass.
49:12And of the many reasons
49:13why I left the group,
49:14that's another big one
49:15because there were miracles
49:16and prophecies
49:18that didn't happen
49:19as he claimed
49:20that they would.
49:20I remember having
49:22another one
49:23of these conversations
49:23and I don't believe
49:25the person was trying
49:26to convince me
49:28to come back
49:28so much as he was
49:29condemning me
49:30for leaving
49:30and started mentioning,
49:32well,
49:32what about this prophecy
49:33or what about this healing?
49:35Usually examples
49:36that can't be proven
49:37one way or the other,
49:38but that the group
49:39by and large
49:40believes to have happened
49:42like Branham said
49:43that it did.
49:44And yet at the same time
49:45I could list off
49:46and I did list off
49:47several that were
49:48completely proven
49:49to be false.
49:50The argument is always,
49:52well,
49:52let's ignore the ones
49:53that failed.
49:54Let's ignore
49:54the false miracles,
49:56the false,
49:56the staged healings,
49:58the things that we can tell
49:59is trickery.
50:00Let's ignore those,
50:01but let's look at these five
50:03that are unexplainable
50:04that we believe happened
50:06and you can't disprove.
50:08And for me,
50:08that's not a real answer.
50:10You can't say
50:10that somebody
50:11who is obviously
50:13and without the shadow
50:15of a doubt
50:15proven to be practicing
50:17deception
50:18to trick people
50:19into believing
50:20in miracles
50:21and then claim
50:22that some miracles
50:23that you can't disprove,
50:25try to claim
50:26that those were real.
50:27Well,
50:27how can I trust those
50:28when I can't trust
50:29the ones that
50:30are proven beyond
50:31the shadow of a doubt
50:32to be false?
50:33For me,
50:33the whole thing
50:34is it just reeks
50:36of somebody
50:37who is no,
50:39no easy way to say
50:40it,
50:40somebody who is a charlatan.
50:42Well,
50:42John,
50:43I believe we run
50:43out of time again here,
50:45but everyone
50:45needs to hold
50:46these thoughts
50:46for the next time
50:47because they've got
50:47more to come.
50:49You know,
50:49what this minister
50:49is teaching
50:50is basically modalism.
50:51Modalism does not allow
50:52for the Son of God
50:53to be God
50:54unless the Father
50:55had moved into him.
50:57Modalism teaches
50:58that the same Father,
50:59Son,
50:59and Holy Spirit
51:00are just various forms
51:01of God
51:02and so the one God
51:03is just changing
51:04his mask,
51:05you know,
51:05the Father's becoming
51:06this,
51:06becoming that
51:07and so the difference
51:09is subtle
51:09from the Trinitarian view
51:10because Trinitarians
51:12believe in just one God
51:13but that God
51:14is Father,
51:15Son,
51:15and Holy Spirit
51:16each is fully God
51:17of the same essence
51:18but one indivisible
51:20divine essence
51:21and we can say
51:23that was called
51:24back in those days
51:24usia
51:25but also
51:27three distinct persons
51:28which was called
51:29the hypostasis
51:30and hypostasis
51:32means,
51:33you know,
51:33individual reality
51:34or distinct person.
51:35it's not a mask,
51:36a mode,
51:37or a role.
51:39Hypostasis
51:40is a real distinct
51:41center of identity
51:42but it also possesses
51:44the full divine nature
51:45and we've shown
51:46that they are not
51:47believing that Jesus
51:48really possessed
51:49the full divine nature
51:51on his own.
51:52So,
51:53next time
51:54I want to really
51:55hit that doctrine
51:56and bring out
51:56the most clear examples
51:57of how William Branham's
51:58doctrine continues
52:00to diminish the deity
52:01of Christ
52:01by quoting a well-known
52:03theologian
52:04of the message.
52:05And this theologian
52:07even William Branham
52:08with the same scripture
52:09they change
52:11the word of God
52:11they do this
52:12by changing
52:13what the word of God
52:14actually says.
52:16And now this is
52:16most important
52:17because we're really
52:18changing the word of God
52:20where God's person
52:21is described here
52:22and how God exists.
52:24It's not just
52:25how a person changes
52:26from sinner to sane
52:28or how we should
52:28baptize a believer here.
52:29We're not talking about
52:30those kind of doctrines.
52:31This is very deep
52:32and as the saying
52:34goes John
52:34you know
52:35we're not in Kansas
52:35anymore here
52:36from this point on
52:37so I look forward
52:38to the next time
52:39when we can do
52:40a deep dive
52:41into this subject.
52:42How did you know
52:42the last place
52:43that my family lived
52:44was Kansas?
52:45We're not in Kansas
52:47in multiple ways
52:48but so much more
52:49that we could talk about.
52:50We're just skimming
52:51the surface
52:52of this particular theme.
52:54I know that
52:55you've got some others
52:56lined up
52:56but there's some ideas
52:57that I want to throw
52:58in here as well.
52:59So hopefully
53:00the audience
53:01can detect
53:03that there's
53:03something amiss
53:04in this gospel.
53:05It's not what you expect.
53:07It's something new
53:08and it is coming
53:09from what Stephen Montgomery
53:10calls the converging apostasy.
53:12So if you've enjoyed
53:13our show
53:13and you want more information
53:14you can check us out
53:15on the web.
53:16You can find us
53:17at william-branham.org
53:18For more about
53:19Roy Davis
53:20and William Branham
53:21you can read
53:21The Persuasive Preacher,
53:23The Gifted Prophet,
53:24and The Noble Politician.
53:25And for more about
53:26The Dark Side
53:27at the New Apostolic Reformation
53:28you can read
53:29Weaponized Religion
53:30from Christian Identity
53:31to the NAR
53:32available on Amazon,
53:34Kindle, and Audible.
53:57Weaponized Religion
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