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John Collins and McKinnon discuss the continuation of their examination of William Branham’s teachings about the seventy disciples, focusing on how one small doctrinal twist became the foundation for destructive ideas that later shaped the Latter Rain and New Apostolic Reformation movements. They highlight how Branham misused scripture to position himself as a central prophetic authority, teaching that followers must accept his words blindly and even suggesting names could be erased from heaven’s book if they rejected his message. The conversation emphasizes how this doctrine instilled fear in followers, contrasting with the Bible’s emphasis on perfect love and assurance in Christ.
As the discussion develops, they explore how Branham’s doctrine of the “manifested sons of God” grew into a theology that paralleled ancient heresies, diminishing Jesus’ divinity while elevating believers to godlike status. They trace how Branham relied on supernatural “discernments” rather than sound doctrine, how he ignored warnings from peers, and how his followers excused failed prophecies. John and John connect this to the modern NAR, showing how agenda-driven restoration of fallen leaders, fear-based control, and signs-and-wonders theatrics serve as gimmicks distracting from a deeper problem: the agenda to seize control by lowering Jesus’ deity and elevating human authority.
CHAPTER LIST
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Why NAR Leaders Restore Fallen Apostles Without Consequence
02:23 Agenda Over Doctrine: Branham’s Role and Early Charismatics
04:02 The 70 Disciples and the Roots of Manifest Sons of God Theology
06:25 Branham’s Influence at Latter Rain Conventions
08:13 How Branham Was Enabled by Other Leaders
10:08 Ego, Titles, and the Rise of the “End-Time Prophet”
12:23 Misusing the 70 Disciples to Instill Fear
15:02 Timeline Problems in Branham’s Teaching
17:19 Doctrines of Fear and Eternal Insecurity
19:03 Why Fear Keeps the Agenda Alive
23:06 Comparing Himself With Jesus as “Son of Man”
27:04 Serpent Seed, Predestination, and Manifestation Doctrines
29:19 Heresy Repackaged: Arianism in Branham’s Message
33:06 Claiming to Be “God’s Voice” and Identifying as God
35:51 Distorting Christ’s Deity and Exalting the Bride
38:59 Categories of Believers Inside and Outside the Cult
40:00 NAR’s Use of Branham’s Doctrines Without Direct Attacks on Jesus
43:14 Branham’s Refusal to Admit Error and False Prophecies
47:15 Why Only the Bible Provides Safe Ground
50:10 The Core Agenda: God Is Not in Control, Man Must Be
52:27 Self-Deception, Pride, and the Dangers of Supernatural Reliance
55:20 Signs, Wonders, and Gimmicks as Distractions
56:57 Conclusion and Resources
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As the discussion develops, they explore how Branham’s doctrine of the “manifested sons of God” grew into a theology that paralleled ancient heresies, diminishing Jesus’ divinity while elevating believers to godlike status. They trace how Branham relied on supernatural “discernments” rather than sound doctrine, how he ignored warnings from peers, and how his followers excused failed prophecies. John and John connect this to the modern NAR, showing how agenda-driven restoration of fallen leaders, fear-based control, and signs-and-wonders theatrics serve as gimmicks distracting from a deeper problem: the agenda to seize control by lowering Jesus’ deity and elevating human authority.
CHAPTER LIST
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Why NAR Leaders Restore Fallen Apostles Without Consequence
02:23 Agenda Over Doctrine: Branham’s Role and Early Charismatics
04:02 The 70 Disciples and the Roots of Manifest Sons of God Theology
06:25 Branham’s Influence at Latter Rain Conventions
08:13 How Branham Was Enabled by Other Leaders
10:08 Ego, Titles, and the Rise of the “End-Time Prophet”
12:23 Misusing the 70 Disciples to Instill Fear
15:02 Timeline Problems in Branham’s Teaching
17:19 Doctrines of Fear and Eternal Insecurity
19:03 Why Fear Keeps the Agenda Alive
23:06 Comparing Himself With Jesus as “Son of Man”
27:04 Serpent Seed, Predestination, and Manifestation Doctrines
29:19 Heresy Repackaged: Arianism in Branham’s Message
33:06 Claiming to Be “God’s Voice” and Identifying as God
35:51 Distorting Christ’s Deity and Exalting the Bride
38:59 Categories of Believers Inside and Outside the Cult
40:00 NAR’s Use of Branham’s Doctrines Without Direct Attacks on Jesus
43:14 Branham’s Refusal to Admit Error and False Prophecies
47:15 Why Only the Bible Provides Safe Ground
50:10 The Core Agenda: God Is Not in Control, Man Must Be
52:27 Self-Deception, Pride, and the Dangers of Supernatural Reliance
55:20 Signs, Wonders, and Gimmicks as Distractions
56:57 Conclusion and Resources
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:41at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKinnon,
00:47author of The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
00:52John, it's good to be back and to talk about the continued discussion about the 70 disciples.
01:00We, you know, last episode, whenever we were talking through this, I'm sure we blew a few
01:05heads because I know some of those stories that you and I are going through, people who
01:10were in the Branham Colts had no idea.
01:13Most of them just kind of tuned it out as they were listening to these recordings over and
01:17over again.
01:18But then to the people who were outside looking in, they're thinking, oh my gosh, this just
01:23doesn't make any sense.
01:25But what we're getting into today, really a continuation of that discussion, it answers
01:31some of the questions that come from people who are outside of the Branham Cult, which is
01:36really interesting if you think about it.
01:38I commonly get this question.
01:40Why does the NAR and all of its various apostolic networks, why are they so quick to restore
01:46these apostles, so-called apostles and prophets, after some of them have been exposed of just
01:53some horrific things?
01:55You know, the average Christian believes that there is grace and there is a Christian restoration.
02:02God can forgive you.
02:03There's a process that usually happens where there is usually a person who's apologetic of
02:10the things that they've done.
02:11They issue apologies, but in the NAR, there's often no apology, there's often no consequence.
02:18They just suddenly get restored.
02:19And why is this?
02:21And today we're going to be talking more about the agenda.
02:26It's basically agenda over doctrine.
02:29And some of the names we're going to mention, we're obviously going to bring up William Branham,
02:34but if you think beyond this, if you think of the early formation of what would become
02:40the charismatic movement, and then think about the people who are training those who would
02:46eventually become leaders in the NAR, I think you'll begin to understand how important what
02:51we're discussing today is to the whole rest of the story.
02:55So in essence, today we're talking about Branham, but really we're talking about the broader
02:59scope of the movement.
03:01John, it's good to be back once again, and good to be discussing these topics which are
03:06most important to us, which are very, very important to the broader Christian world and
03:11how we view things.
03:12And I wanted to say this, this will be part two.
03:16I want to further talk about the 70 disciples.
03:19And I meant to bring some things in about the manifested sons of God and how it all relates
03:25and how this thing springboarded out.
03:27So this one doctrine shows you how twisting just one little piece of scripture can throw
03:33you off into things.
03:35And even people with agendas, they will use scripture sometimes to push agendas.
03:41And so I realized that I had more material to cover after I made the episode five.
03:47So this will be episode six, but part two, you know, the 70 disciples.
03:51So I wanted to make this part two to show some of the motives that really, I feel like, were
03:57behind the scenes of the teaching surrounding these 70 disciples.
04:02And the issues we've been covering is, you know, how William Branham had spearheaded the
04:05whole movement, which now consists of men.
04:09And a lot of them have little knowledge of the gospel or even extensive knowledge of the
04:15Bible.
04:15And they've studied under various mentors and they all have the same mindset and they
04:21teach them, you know, along a certain path.
04:24And they're leading people down a particular path and promoting really the use of raw
04:29supernatural power, political involvements and other thing, and also the being manifested
04:35as a son of God to be able to have this powerful anointing on you while you're here on
04:40earth to do exploits.
04:42So Branham and those of the latter rain really promoted these concepts in the beginning and
04:48they just borrowed it from things that happened earlier, which you have gone into prior to
04:54this episode.
04:55But, you know, we're going to talk about from the latter rain on, but Branham and the latter
04:58rain promoted a lot of these concepts.
05:00And many in the message think, even think Branham became a manifested son of God, you know,
05:06while he lived and because he had this testimony of spoken word and we've spoken about in the
05:12last episode of the creation of squirrels, you know, by the spoken word.
05:17Branham truly believed, you know, God was about to raise up an army, you know, of manifested
05:22sons, you know, who will use the spoken word to create things or speak things into existence.
05:28So as we go through each of these scriptures, you know, where Branham twisted the meaning,
05:32you know, there's more we're going to bring out, you know, we're going to see the true
05:35motives, you know, behind it and why he taught these things as he did.
05:39And it's all culminating, you know, it all paints a big picture culminating in his belief
05:44of the final capstone to the pyramid and the making up of the bride of Christ, you know,
05:50before Jesus comes.
05:52You know, he required everyone to believe his message alone and to make it in the bride,
05:57to be able to be a part of the bride.
05:58But in the broader scope of the NAR, you know, they've invited everyone to come and be a
06:03part of this movement.
06:04And there's really no focus on any one particular prophet.
06:07There's many prophets, there's many apostles, and there's no one focus on any particular
06:12message, except they do have an agenda that they do push.
06:16And that's their message.
06:17It's something like the seven mountain mandates that you've talked about.
06:21Exactly.
06:22And there's so much going on here.
06:24As we'll get into some of the people who were in William Branham's inner circle, and
06:29I think even broader than that, if you look at the photographs of these conventions where
06:34Branham was speaking, you had literally hundreds of people there.
06:37Some of the people who were there went on to have good, solid ministries.
06:42Others turned into cult-like ministries.
06:45But all of these people are listening to this guy speak, Branham, who know that he's not
06:50quite right in his doctrine.
06:52He's off completely in some places.
06:55In fact, as we'll get into it later, some of the people who were working with Branham
06:59actually admitted, no, he doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to the Bible.
07:04But all of these men are listening to it and recognizing that for the greater good of
07:09the agenda, and the agenda at that time was more the manifest sons of God theology.
07:15That's really, when it comes down to it, that's what they were calling the message of
07:18the hour, the idea that these manifested sons would restore the offices, the power, the
07:24signs, the wonders, the gifts, et cetera.
07:26To push that agenda forward, they needed people like Branham to attract the crowds.
07:32So as part of the agenda, they didn't really care is he off on doctrine or not.
07:36And in doing so, they enabled him.
07:39And for me, this is the thing that really angers me the most.
07:43Because these men allowed this for their agenda, it allowed and enabled Branham to create a
07:49destructive cult.
07:50So therefore, the cult that I grew up in, it only existed because these men allowed it.
07:55Nobody stood up and said, wait a minute, this doctrine is completely off until after he died.
08:00Then they all began to admit, yeah, he didn't know what he was talking about with regards
08:05to the Bible, but he could sure attract a crowd.
08:08And that's really all this is about.
08:11So, John, I'll go into a little bit about how Branham was deceived or how he became self-deceived.
08:18And it all stemmed from his belief that he had something to say.
08:24All stemmed from his belief that he was more powerful probably than any other minister of
08:29his time.
08:30But Eddie Hyatt wrote in 2018, August 16, 2018, in Charisma, he wrote this about Branham.
08:38He said, when the time came for Branham to preach in the evening services, Lindsay would
08:43introduce him in a low-key manner, while at the same time acknowledging that God was using
08:48him in a remarkable way.
08:50One time when Lindsay was away, Brother Baxter, you know, who emceed the meetings, introduced
08:56Branham.
08:56His flowery introduction was filled with glowing accolades, and he referred to Branham as a
09:03special end-time prophet of God.
09:05When Lindsay returned, Branham said, Brother Lindsay, I think I would like for Brother Baxter
09:11to introduce me from now on.
09:13And this particular episode was relayed to this person, Eddie Hyatt, by the late Freda
09:19Lindsay, which was Gordon Lindsay's wife, who was privy to all these details that were
09:25described.
09:27And then, after that, Branham began to surround himself with individuals who fed his ego with
09:31ideas about being a special end-time prophet of God.
09:35And Lindsay sought to warn him about this, but his advice was not heeded.
09:38You know, that's according to Eddie Hyatt.
09:40I did find something else about this particular incident on Facebook, and this Facebook page
09:49is William Branham, The Message, Then and Now.
09:52This was also published in May of 2018, prior to this Charisma article.
09:58But here's the excerpt from that.
10:02Brother Lindsay related an experience he'd had with that prophet.
10:07Speaking of William Branham, Brother Lindsay said, I told him, you're not a teacher, so
10:11don't try to teach.
10:13He was a preacher and a good one at that.
10:15He had a marvelous manifestation of the Holy Spirit in his ministry.
10:19Brother Lindsay said, I begged him not to teach.
10:21I said, you don't know the Bible, and you're confusing folks.
10:25Leave the Bible teaching to the teachers.
10:27Just go ahead and preach and exercise the word of knowledge, gifts of healing, as the Spirit
10:31wills, and be a blessing to the body of Christ.
10:35This prophet, which is William Branham, said to Brother Lindsay, I know I'm not a teacher,
10:39but I want to teach, and I'm going to teach.
10:43So we see, based on these interactions here that was had, not only did he want to feed that
10:49ego of being the end-time prophet, he also wanted to make his message central to what was
10:56happening there in the healing revival.
10:57He eventually didn't take back seat, and that's what began the separation between him and the
11:04Pentecostal world, is him starting to veer off into these strange doctrines that he wanted
11:11to promote.
11:12Because most of the Pentecostal world did not accept the latter reign anyway, which I've
11:16been going through in detail.
11:18And that was really part of the reasons is why.
11:22And so he was very adamant about, you know, being a teacher at this time.
11:26And I want to go through a few more quotes now and try to show where I believe Branham
11:30was leading the people, you know, saying things without really coming out and being plain about
11:35it, about what he meant.
11:37But I think he knew what he meant, but he was saying it in a way, just like he never declared
11:41himself to be the prophet of God for the age, he said it in a way that people knew he was
11:47talking about himself.
11:48So I believe this is in the same line of thinking, you know, to me, his words in these
11:53sermons, and it's not only these quotes I'm going to read, but there's many others, just
11:58don't have time to go through them all.
12:00And they're telling the people that he has an exclusive truth, you know, that's what he's
12:05saying to them.
12:06And when you walk away from my truth, it's evidence that you don't believe the truth,
12:11and you need to be like the disciples and just believe by faith, you know, blind faith.
12:16And or if you don't do that, then your name's going to be removed from the book of life
12:20if you walk away from me.
12:22And he did this through his teaching of the 70 disciples.
12:25So this is one way he tried to keep people under his wing.
12:28And those that did trust him, you know, they were scared to death to even say one thing
12:33against him as he was coming out with these new doctrines, which eventually one of them
12:37became the serpent seed and so forth.
12:40So here's a quote from 1957.
12:43And, you know, this is the time he was working with Jim Jones, and he was having trouble keeping
12:49his meetings financed and so forth.
12:51So he says this in June 13th, God keeps his word.
12:55You know, one time when Jesus was speaking to his disciples, and he began to tell them
12:59the truth, began to let down the hammer, clean out the church, bringing the word.
13:04He says, 70 turned and walk from him.
13:06And then Jesus said to the 12, will you also go?
13:10And he said, Lord, where will we go?
13:11He said, that's it.
13:13So he's using this 70 over and over again, you know, to say there's multitudes of people
13:18going to leave me because I'm telling you the truth.
13:21And it's the same as it was in Jesus' day.
13:24Here he says in another sermon three years later, July the 12th, 1960, hear you him.
13:30He said, compare that with the days gone by with our Lord.
13:35When he was healing the sick and the afflicted, many people came to him.
13:38When he fed 5,000, many came to him.
13:41But when he began to sit down and tell them the truth, what happened?
13:44All of them began to turn away.
13:46The 70 even turned.
13:49Now, I want you to know that we showed last time, you know, in the last episode about the
13:5470, that they were not even commissioned yet at this event in John 6, 66, when they, his
14:00disciples, which were generally the people that were kind of following Jesus, not really
14:04maybe committed, but they were learners and disciples.
14:08And while he was in Galilee at this time, you know, Capernaum, Bethsaida in the Galilee.
14:13But at a later time, he turned his way and went toward Judea to enter and end up in Jerusalem.
14:18And that's when he commissioned those 70.
14:20So then he turned his disciples and said, we also go.
14:24And Peter made those great words, to whom shall we go?
14:26See?
14:28So the timeline has been put together and the resources that I was able to find that put
14:34the forsaking of Jesus at this time, it was in his Galilean ministry.
14:39And the commissioning of the 70 occurs at a later time in his Judean ministry.
14:43And we discussed that last time that the passage of those disciples were, they deserted Jesus
14:48in John 6, happened very soon after the feeding of the 5,000.
14:52And all four Gospels do detail that event of the 5,000 being fed.
15:00So that is a good time marker for the Gospels to know that they're right there at the same
15:04time.
15:05So if you follow the Gospels on through, you'll find that the commissioning of the 70, you
15:10know, occurred later on.
15:11And it's still not a very easy subject to study because the Gospels, John tends not to include
15:18all the details that Luke includes and vice versa.
15:22So here's another quote when he's talking about present stage of my ministry, 1962, as we move
15:28on, September the 8th.
15:31He said, now he even puts Jesus being in Galilee at this time when those disciples left.
15:36So we know that's true.
15:37When Jesus, the young prophet of Galilee, you know, he places this time that Jesus was
15:43in Galilee and not at Jerusalem quite yet.
15:45He said, he got a time that he was forsaken.
15:48All man who stay with God's word gets to that place when they're forsaken by the world and
15:53the religious world.
15:54Jesus fed the 5,000 one day.
15:57They picked up the baskets full of the loaves and two fishes.
16:00The next day, I believe it was, he began to come down with the word.
16:03All of them began to depart from him.
16:06He looked around to the disciples and said, will you also go?
16:09He said, even 70 of his own ordained ministers left him.
16:13And he said, will you also go?
16:15Talking to the 12.
16:16And then Peter spoke those notable words.
16:18Lord, where would we go?
16:21Thou only has eternal life.
16:23Notice, but the time come when the forsaking time come, and that's got to come.
16:26It must come.
16:28And now I've got several prophets and things here to refer to to prove you that that time,
16:33come, he said, and it's arrived for me.
16:37So in the present stage of his ministry, he is now declaring that all these people leaving
16:43me is paralleling what happened with Jesus.
16:47And he misplaced the 70 disciples to try to prove his point.
16:51But he said, it's arrived for him.
16:54So even by him referring to the Galilean ministry, he might have known the correct timeline, but
16:59still decided to use that illustration just to represent his own ministry.
17:03But the worst picture is that he made a doctrine out of this.
17:08And even say, and go so far as to say a Christian's name can be written down in heaven by God, and
17:14then at some point erased where that Christian will be lost.
17:18That's what's damaging to Christians.
17:19That's why this whole doctrine built upon the 70 disciples is very damaging.
17:23And he expounds that in his church age book.
17:26But William Branham, whether intentionally or not, it did instill fear in his followers that
17:34you never really know you're saved, you know, unless you're following his exact words.
17:39And that's really the heart of the matter.
17:40The Bible says perfect love casts out fear.
17:43And if you understand all of the passages where Jesus is explaining the way to be a true
17:48Christian, it's all about love.
17:50And it's all about comfort in knowing what God has done for you, not what you need to
17:55do for God.
17:56But any person who brings a, I hate to use the word gospel, but they're calling it the
18:03gospel, but they're combining it with an agenda.
18:05You cannot have what they're claiming as gospel combined with agenda without fear.
18:11Because what happens is if somebody disagrees with that agenda or questions that agenda,
18:16they step out of your agenda and your whole agenda falls apart.
18:20So you must have guardrails around them.
18:22And that those guardrails are usually fear.
18:24That's really the only way that this works.
18:27And that's why that's one of the other questions I commonly get.
18:30Why did they use fear tactics to keep us corralled whenever we were in these movements?
18:35Why didn't they just preach perfect love as the Bible says?
18:39Well, that's the reason it's because agenda plus false gospel combined.
18:44And the only way to keep it going, to keep it moving further, that agenda is through fear.
18:50So, yeah, John, I mean, this thing just as we dive into this even more, we just see the
18:56darkness of it and we see how it hurts Christians' faith overall.
19:01You know, they wonder, do I have eternal security or do I not?
19:05And when Jesus could even make the statement to disciples that, well, your names are written
19:09in heaven and then William Branham comes with a teaching where those names were removed
19:13from heaven, I mean, that's very contrary to scripture in my book because Jesus can't
19:19make one statement and he make a contrary statement and that be true.
19:23You know, if Jesus ever said your names are written in heaven, they're never going to be
19:26erased, you know, from that book.
19:28So here's another quote that William Branham said in 1963 in January 22nd, remembering the
19:34Lord's sermon, he said, but one day he sat down and began to tell them the gospel truth.
19:39He wasn't popular from then on.
19:41No, he never.
19:42The first thing you know, all that group walked away and the 70s said, you know, this is a
19:46hard saying, who could understand it?
19:47And they walked away.
19:48Now, the Bible never said that the 70s said this.
19:52It just said there was murmuring among his disciples and they were saying, who could understand
19:57this?
19:57I think it might've been even the Pharisees, if we go back and read the scriptures that were
20:01saying this, it's such a hard saying, but it wasn't the 70 because the Bible never says
20:06it wasn't 70.
20:08And then he says, well, let's remember the Lord like that.
20:12So he wants him over and over.
20:14He's programming his people to believe the scriptures and the way he's presenting them.
20:19You know, he wants you to think of them that way and remember them that way.
20:22And there's another sermon, Identification, in 1964, February 16th, where he says, teachers
20:30all against him, everything, and his miracles identified him.
20:35So here you see, he relies on the supernatural and miracles and his so-called gift of discernment.
20:42Really, he relies on that to vindicate a ministry.
20:46He doesn't just say, I'm going back to scriptures alone and then seeing if my ministry does
20:53correspond to scripture where I could say I'm a prophet.
20:55No, he says, miracles identify you.
20:58And he even said the miracles identified Jesus.
21:01But, you know, you know, that's not even true because people had to search the scriptures
21:05to find out when the Messiah was to come.
21:08Was he the Messiah?
21:09And did Jesus, you know, did he fulfill the scriptures that were written of him?
21:13So it was more than just miracles.
21:14And so here's what else he goes on to say.
21:18And when the 70 got up, the pastors and the ministers got up, says, we can't understand
21:22that.
21:23And would you have walked away like that congregation?
21:26Or would you have been like them disciples?
21:28I don't care what they say.
21:30See, it's there.
21:32And then Jesus turned and gave them a trial.
21:35You also want to go?
21:36So so you see, he's saying, you got to be the kind of person that says, I don't care
21:42what's being said.
21:43I'm just going to believe it anyway.
21:45And that's that's where another big danger is, because because that's what's happening
21:49today.
21:50These apostles and prophets of today, they can say anything.
21:54So if you're going to go by William Bram's words, you're going to have to believe whatever
21:57they say.
21:58And that's not the way we're to be as Christians.
22:00We're to be very critical of what's being taught, taught to us or told to us and always
22:06compare it back to scripture.
22:07We just can't blindly accept things.
22:09So here's a little other thing he says in the same quote here.
22:13He says, and he said, now, when you see the son of man identifying himself as God now.
22:19So here, William Bram is plainly comparing his ministry with Jesus, telling the people
22:23that a son of man, Jesus Christ, but he's also believing he's a son of man.
22:29And he's identifying himself as God.
22:32And see, the way the way William Bram puts this is that Jesus was just a man.
22:36But when God moved through him, he was identifying Jesus as God because Jesus stood in the place
22:42of God.
22:43And it goes so far as to say, not that Jesus was God, but that God being in him made him
22:49God.
22:50So William Bram does the same thing to identify himself as God, because really what he was
22:56teaching toward the end of his life is that when Christ has stepped into me.
22:59Now I'm God to the people.
23:02And an example quote that you've said many times, John, is when he says, I am God's voice
23:07to you.
23:08And that particular quote does show what he really believes about this.
23:13There's another, I'll read a couple more quotes here.
23:16In a greater than Solomon's here, 1964, this is March the 6th.
23:20He said, then he looked around to those theologians sitting around him, them 70.
23:26Now, it's kind of interesting that he's now really throwing off on these 70 as being theologians,
23:31doctors of divinity, and ministers.
23:33Because really, the learned people of the day when he was here, when William Bram was
23:39here, they were pointing out these errors in his doctrine.
23:42And so he always threw off on the learned men that had been, maybe studied the Bible, been
23:47to seminary.
23:49And now he's putting the 70 in that same category, when the 70 had nothing to do with going to
23:54a seminary at the time.
23:56They were just common, ordinary people that were following Jesus, and he commissioned them.
24:00And so he says, what will you say when you see the Son of Man ascending up into heaven
24:05from whence he came?
24:06Them doctors of divinity looking around said, the Son of Man ascending up in heaven from
24:10where he came?
24:11While we know him, we've been to the stable where he was born, and so forth.
24:15And then he said he still didn't explain it to them.
24:17He just let them disbelieve it.
24:19But see, he kept throwing off on them as being doctors of divinity and theologians.
24:24Kind of an amazing thing.
24:26And another one that got identified by his characteristics, 1964 in March the 11th, he
24:32said to the 70 sitting there, his ministers he had ordained to go out and preach before
24:38him.
24:38He said, I'll give them a shake and see where they're at.
24:41So now he's acting like he's going to test the 70 to see if they're going to be true believers
24:46or not.
24:47And then he said, they walked away.
24:50They said, we can't see this.
24:51You see what happened?
24:53He said, it never moved them disciples, talking about the 12.
24:55He said, they couldn't explain it.
24:57He said, all of them walked away, talking about the 70.
25:00He said, he never explained it.
25:01He didn't have to.
25:03So now he's showing how, you know, you just got to believe even though you can't explain
25:08it.
25:09You know, just continue to believe.
25:11And he's leading the people along.
25:12This is 1964.
25:14So he's been leading the people along, giving them all these doctrines and moving the people
25:18into this thing that he's been moving into and what he calls his new ministry, the
25:23third pull.
25:23And he says, you can't explain it, but just believe it in hell.
25:27And he also says that, you know, Jesus was testing these 70 disciples to see if they would
25:33stay with him.
25:34You know, it's all just a ruse to point to himself and the point that he is actually,
25:40you know, the one following the Lord and you just got to believe him.
25:44So listen to this quote.
25:45This is a pretty lengthy quote, but calling Jesus on the scene, 1964 on March the 19th,
25:52he said, and he's talking about the Christian here.
25:55He says, so does a pedigreed Christian.
25:57He knows who his father is.
25:59He come from God.
26:01He is the word of God.
26:02He's the same as he ever was.
26:04He's a real pedigreed product of God.
26:06The word of God is in him.
26:07Jesus Christ manifesting himself.
26:10This is a very important statement because by this time, his doctrine of the manifest
26:14sons of God was taking, you know, very concrete shape.
26:19And here he is, you know, he's got the people to believe, well, I come from God and I'm going
26:24back from God.
26:24So what I see in this part of the quote is another doctrine that relates to the serpent
26:31seed coming out.
26:32You know, William Brandon believed that true Christians are actually seeds in the God, in
26:37God's mind even, that were created.
26:41And I've got a quote from another minister in Ohio long ago that was said, all God's children
26:46were created at one time.
26:47And so they believe there are seeds coming out of God, you know, and they're in God prior
26:53to coming to earth and that God's seeds and the serpent seed are now being born in the
26:56earth.
26:57And that's why he says he, the pedigreed Christian knows that he come from God.
27:02And I believe also that we're God's children.
27:05You know, I definitely don't agree with this, but I only believe we're God's children after
27:09we're born again, because see, we're born dead.
27:12The Christian before he's born again is just as dead as anybody else in this world.
27:17You know, to believe that you come from God as a seed, as some eternal seed, and that
27:21you always had eternal life, I think that's also contrary to scripture.
27:24I fully believe that, because that gets people to exalt themselves above God.
27:31It gets them to have this pride in them.
27:34They don't realize that, hey, you were just a sinner like everybody else, and you need to
27:39be born again.
27:39And thank God he chose you as one of his own.
27:42So the difference is that Branham believed we were always a son of God, and God just
27:50sent you to the earth to manifest himself in you.
27:53And that's where I believe the danger is, because with this doctrine in mind, we depart
27:57from the gospel, and then we begin to think highly of ourselves.
28:00We think of ourselves as always having eternal life, even, and that we were always a child
28:05of God, just waiting for a ministry like William Branham's to come on the scene so we can see
28:10the light, and our seed would come to life, because we saw the manifestation of Christ.
28:14That's the basic doctrine that is being taught here.
28:18I believe it's not in line with the gospel, though.
28:20And this doctrine is very destructive also, because it really demeans who Jesus Christ really
28:25is and all that he did.
28:27Had it not been for Jesus Christ, I would never have been born again.
28:31I would never have a chance to be a child of God.
28:33I would be totally out of the economy of God.
28:36There's no way I could say I came from God, and he was going to save me anyway.
28:40It took Jesus Christ to do it, and that's where Jesus Christ cannot be demeaned.
28:46He was God himself.
28:47It took God himself coming out of the throne of God down into a body of flesh to do this
28:53work.
28:54This is all difficult to explain in the short period of time we have, but the essence that
29:00William Branham is teaching is that Jesus was only a son of God in the beginning, like
29:05all other God's children are, except that he was firstborn, so he's greater than us.
29:10Jesus, according to the way the message teaches this, if you can read and you can understand
29:16it, and if you follow this through the line of thought, Jesus was not really God until
29:21God came down to dwell in him in the baptism in the River Jordan, and then God actually
29:27left him and went to heaven when he was on the cross.
29:30Now, I think that's pure heresy, because I think Jesus was God in the flesh from the time
29:34he was born as a baby until the time he gave up the Spirit of God at the cross, you know,
29:40not in the Garden of Gethsemane, not any other time prior to that.
29:43He actually had to give up his life because he was eternal life.
29:48You know, I believe what is being repackaged here is just Arianism, and that was a heresy
29:54that was back in the early days of the church, and it was one of the heresies that Jesus was
29:59just a created being.
30:01He was not really God, but because God anointed him and God was in him, it made him God.
30:09But, you know, I think that if you go back to Arianism and what that was, it's just being
30:13repackaged, maybe in a few different ways.
30:16So that can all be explained later in an additional broadcast to expound more of that.
30:21But then William Branham goes on.
30:23He says, you're a bunch of unbelievers.
30:25You know, Jesus wanted to shake off a bunch of parasites one day.
30:27He had too many following him.
30:29He had his disciples then.
30:30He had the 70, the ministerial association, and then he had the congregation by the thousands.
30:36And then he said, that's as much as they could stand when he went through his discourse
30:40on, you know, except you eat the flesh and drink the blood.
30:43He said, that's as much as they could stand.
30:45They still have the same groups.
30:46That's right.
30:47We have them still.
30:48We notice.
30:49Then he turned.
30:51Remember, those disciples couldn't explain it either, but they had faith.
30:54So that's the line of faith.
30:56But we see faith don't know no failure.
30:58It's anchored.
30:59It stays there no matter what.
31:00Anything said, it stayed there.
31:02They were ordained to this life, and they stayed there.
31:06Some said, a man never spoke like this man.
31:08There's something strange about him.
31:10What he says, he's able to back up.
31:12Well, they did say that, you know, said, he don't talk like a priest.
31:15He doesn't talk like a rabbi.
31:17For what he says, God backs it up.
31:19He vindicates what he said.
31:20Oh, my.
31:22So we see that it's all in the discernment at the end of the, say, the sermons that he
31:26preached, where he calls out people and the events in their lives seems to be true.
31:32That's what he's talking about, vindication, because he's certainly not talking about the
31:35prophecies that he spoke.
31:37You know, he'll claim that they were true, but we have very clear documented evidence
31:41that, you know, many, if not most, prophecies that he ever spoke were way after the fact
31:48or didn't even come to pass.
31:50So this is what he's referring to when he says he vindicates.
31:54He wants you to understand that he wants you to believe that God was vindicating him in
31:59the same way.
32:00So there's another one called Scriptural Signs of the Times, 1964, April the 10th.
32:05He said, but watch all the time.
32:06Those disciples couldn't explain it either, but they believed it.
32:09They couldn't explain it.
32:10They were ordained to that life.
32:11He said they know the message of the hour.
32:14They know what it was supposed to be.
32:17So that's where he says there's a message of the hour, and it's all to, you know, build
32:23you up and put you into his, that place he wanted you to be in.
32:26He said that's the ones that's ordained to life because they knew the message of the
32:29hour.
32:30So he's getting very clear about what he's saying in the 64.
32:33Again, in June 14th, he said, in Unveiling of God, he said, some will believe for a little
32:38while, like the disciples, they followed him, many of them, 70 followed him for years
32:42to find out, a year and a half, two years, just to find out they could find something
32:46in him, like some way he had power to do these things, like a rabbit foot or a magician
32:51of some sort, what he could do to produce these things, how he could know what was in the
32:56people's heart and what they were thinking.
32:58And they finally found out that he said that he'd come down from heaven.
33:01He was the word himself.
33:03So you see in this quote, he's not only referring to Jesus Christ because he's saying, you know,
33:09his main ministry was knowing the secrets of the people's heart.
33:11That's what he said vindicated him.
33:13And that's really all I know that you could say, that he could even say that vindicated
33:19him, that we can hear on tape.
33:21But that's what William Branham is teaching about himself, that he actually came down from
33:25heaven.
33:27He was the word himself.
33:28This is what he's becoming.
33:29He's becoming this manifested son of God.
33:32He's wanting to present himself as that.
33:34And that's why you see these quotes spoken the way they are.
33:38And when he did that, that was way too much for them.
33:41They said, no man can understand this.
33:42And they walked away from him.
33:44He said, that's those who fell among thorns, being the seed that fell among the thorns and
33:49was choked out.
33:51So there was another one.
33:52I'll read one more in that same sermon.
33:53He said, then we become a part of him, Christ, as you are the veil that veils him.
34:00You are part of him as long as Christ is in you, as Christ was of God.
34:06Now, it's interesting that he said Christ was of God and not that Christ was God.
34:12Because I believe that Jesus was the Christ, born the Christ, Lord Jesus Christ from birth.
34:19But he said Christ is of God.
34:21And I don't know if he meant that, you know, in the fact that, you know, Christ really wasn't
34:26God or not.
34:27But it's interesting how he said that.
34:29He said, because God was in him, made him God.
34:33Now, see, that, to me, that firms it up.
34:35Because at first he says, as Christ was of God.
34:38Then he says right after that, because God was in him, that made him God.
34:43So it's very clear to me, John, that, you know, William Branham is teaching that Jesus
34:47only became God because God was in him.
34:50You know, not that Jesus was God from the beginning with the Father from all eternity.
34:54You know, he also eventually projects to the bride in that same manner that, and that's
35:01the teaching that we become gods as well as Christ became God, you know, when he transitioned
35:08into God because God was in him.
35:10And it's all because you see quotes like this, you know, it, you know, he says, you are a
35:15part of him as long as Christ is in you, as Christ was of God, because God was in him,
35:20made him God.
35:23And I think the statement really should be said to be correct is because he was God.
35:29It wasn't because he became God.
35:30He was God all time and eternity, you know, with the Father in the beginning.
35:35And he came out of God and became flesh.
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36:38I differ with some of my peers in that I believe that there are people who are in the message,
36:44who believe in the Jesus of the Bible, and who are saved.
36:47And I know to the people outside looking in who are listening to what you're saying, thinking,
36:51oh my gosh, what Branham is preaching is anti-biblical, it's actually anti-Jesus what
36:57he's preaching.
36:57How can these people be saved?
37:00They're serving a different Jesus.
37:01I've actually got into conversations where we talked about this with people, some of
37:05my peers, and they think that the entire group of people as a whole are destined to
37:12hell because they believe in a different Jesus.
37:14But I'm going to argue that there are two cases that disagree with this.
37:20Number one, there are people within the cult who have never heard Branham say these things.
37:26They have no idea that Branham is actually preaching against Jesus to empower himself.
37:32And if they were to come in contact with this, it would set off all kinds of alarms in their
37:37head.
37:37Why is he doing this?
37:38Why is he preaching against Jesus?
37:40So there are a categorization of people who truly have no idea that Branham is doing this.
37:47But then there are the people like I was in the cult, people who were so brainwashed and
37:54programmed, and their brain tries to reconcile through cognitive dissonance what they're reading
38:00in the Bible with what he's saying that is completely against the Bible.
38:04And as you do this, as your brain tries to reconcile this, you start to merge the two
38:10thoughts as one, and you start to believe that, yes, the Bible says that Jesus is divinely
38:16God.
38:17Yes, William Branham said the opposite, but William Branham also said the same thing, so therefore
38:22I'm going to merge it in my head.
38:24And there are people like this who do believe the God, the Jesus of the Bible, even though
38:30they also believe William Branham said these things and their brain has just merged
38:34them through cognitive dissonance.
38:36There's a third category of people who know this, believe it, serving a different Jesus.
38:41Yes, I'll give you that, but there are some people who truly read their Bible and understand
38:47it within the movement.
38:48It wasn't until after I left, I began to realize that my brain was programmed in this
38:54way, and I was mortified.
38:58I was abhorred to think that he was actually preaching against Jesus on several occasions.
39:02Where this gets really scary, if you think about the NAR today, the Manifest Sons of God
39:08theology is the foundation for a lot of these NAR leaders.
39:13There are so many people who built upon that theme and that theology, but unlike Branham,
39:20they're not preaching against Jesus.
39:22They're just preaching one piece of it.
39:24So now you have a fourth categorization of people in the world today who are in the NAR who
39:30they believe the elements that are being taught that were built on top of that theology of
39:36a different anti-biblical Jesus.
39:40But there are people who don't understand that they need to go to that level to bring Jesus
39:47down in power and deity so that they can be empowered and more deified themselves.
39:54However, over time, as that doctrine is there and they begin to think about it, there are
39:59people who will eventually come to that conclusion because you have to.
40:03If you're preaching a different Jesus and you go down the pathway of understanding that
40:08different Jesus, you will eventually realize that to do this, you have to bring Jesus outside
40:15of divine, and that's sadly where it's going to end up.
40:20So there are a bunch of people out there who don't know that yet that they're supposed
40:23to do this, and what happens with those people?
40:26Do they go there?
40:27Do new groups spin off once they realize this?
40:29Does it splinter again?
40:31So we have this—I can't even put a number to it.
40:35We have this massive number of people who will eventually create something else that may
40:41be even worse than what we came out of.
40:42Yeah, John, the more we just dive into these things, you know, you just get deeper and
40:47deeper into the mire, and you realize how far off you really get from scriptures.
40:53And the same thing's happening, you know, throughout the Christian world today.
40:56If you don't stay with the scriptures, you know, you're going to end up somewhere, as
41:00we've seen what's happened with the New Apostolic Reformation.
41:05You know, there's a lot of them way out there.
41:07And we could go through many of the things that they believe and say, and it's just clear
41:14error.
41:15You know, William Branham was much more subtle about it, and you really had to wade through
41:19all his messages to understand what he's really saying.
41:22But that's what I'm attempting to do, is try to point out some of these things.
41:27But I think that William Branham really recognizes that at this stage, if he was wrong, that he's
41:32truly operating against God, but I think it was really too late for him to back up and
41:38redo things.
41:40You know, he would not back down, you know, even in the eras, and he fought it to the very
41:43end, because this is a sermon in 1965, January the 20th, Lean Not to Your Own Understanding.
41:51He said,
41:51Oh, people, don't think, you may think I'm crazy, but when my voice is silenced in death,
41:57these tapes will still be playing.
41:58And you'll recognize that what I've said has come to pass.
42:01I would be a most silly person to take a stand that I have took to even against this
42:07thing.
42:08I would be against God.
42:10I would be against everything that's God.
42:13If I had, I was wrong in my thinking and my calling.
42:17He said,
42:17The thing would be against God, but I have took my stand because I see it in the Word.
42:23It's God's Word.
42:24I see it being vindicated, proven that it's the truth.
42:28That's the interpretation that God gives of His Word.
42:30And so what I'm wondering here is when he's talking about vindication, he certainly can't
42:35talk about his prophecies here.
42:36I think he's only referring to his discernments.
42:40And even his discernments were not 100%.
42:42But, you know, here he goes saying the thing would be very against God.
42:48You know, he says, I took my stand because I see it in the Word.
42:52And as he said in his 1955 life story, which we mentioned before, he said he eventually
42:57took his own interpretation of things.
42:58He wouldn't listen to the ministers.
43:00He wouldn't listen to those around him, maybe with a little more wisdom than he had.
43:04You know, him being in his 20s when he started out.
43:07And eventually he got to where he said, I'm just taking my own interpretation of it.
43:11And, you know, that's really what got him in trouble.
43:13In 1960, if I retired in church age, December the 8th, he said, well, that's true interpretation
43:23of a prophet.
43:24A prophet has the divine interpretation of God's Word.
43:27That's exactly right.
43:28How can a person call one, somebody a prophet, and then say they have the wrong revelation?
43:33It's just as much sense as eternal sonship again, you see.
43:37The prophet means the correct diviner, the one that has the Word of the Lord come to.
43:42The revelation came to him.
43:44The word prophet means a diviner of the divine Word.
43:47Jesus said, if there be one among you spiritual prophet, I, the Lord, will speak to him.
43:51And if what he says comes to pass, then hear him.
43:54I'm with him.
43:55If it doesn't come to pass, then don't hear him.
43:57That's all.
43:58It was the divine Word of God and the Word of the Lord came to the prophets.
44:02So, here he's trying to point out the fact, I think he knows for sure that if you're a prophet,
44:10what you say has to come to pass.
44:12So, it's kind of strange that his own words, you know, didn't always come to pass, and yet
44:17he's going to still put himself out there as a prophet of God.
44:20In the spoken word of the original seed, 1962, March the 18th, he said, then the people say,
44:27Brother Branham is a prophet.
44:28Oh, you believe him as long as he's talking to the people, telling them their sins, things
44:32like that, which is the discernments.
44:34But then he goes on teaching.
44:36Don't you believe that?
44:37Well, you poor hypocrite.
44:39You don't know nothing.
44:41Doesn't the Bible say the Word of the Lord come to the prophets?
44:44I don't call myself a prophet.
44:45I'm no prophet, but you said so.
44:47I'm saying what you said, and then turn around and say a thing like that.
44:51Don't you say you didn't do it?
44:53I've even got a tape where you said it.
44:55You didn't know that, did you?
44:56I just want you to say you didn't one time.
45:00That's all I want you to say.
45:01Let your own voice play back to you.
45:03And this is kind of a hilarious quote because it just shows his animosity toward the people
45:09that were saying, hey, I don't think your teaching is exactly right.
45:13But they saw his discernments, and then maybe at one time they said he was a prophet of the
45:17Lord.
45:18But that just shows you what's in this movement in the broader charismatic world.
45:24They won't come right out and say and call a spade a spade a lot of times.
45:29They'll let you go on with your false prophecies just so long as you're gathering the crowds
45:33and doing some supernatural things and maybe praying for the sick and people are rejoicing
45:39and all that.
45:40All that's even more important than the Word of God, we see.
45:43And that's what leads to quotes like this is where he said, well, the people call me a
45:47prophet.
45:47Now, how can you say I'm a prophet and then you don't believe my teaching?
45:51It just produces a mess, John.
45:54And I'll say that based on what William Bram said in this particular quote, there's a mountain
45:58of evidence available that will forever seal his fate as a false prophet.
46:03He may have talked with God and may have loved God, may have loved the people, and the people
46:07may have loved him, but he absolutely cannot be called a diviner of the divine Word, as he's
46:14trying to say here.
46:15And you have named so many false prophecies that he gave, many that were revived.
46:21Of course, when he spoke in 1960 in that sermon, and they were revised after he even spoke
46:28them ahead of time, and a lot of other deceptive practices like that.
46:32So we have to be very careful these days.
46:34If you do believe God still has people in the church that have prophetic gifts, then you
46:38have to be extra careful.
46:40You have to stay vigilant every time you listen to them, discerning what they're saying and
46:45discerning what you're associated with.
46:47Now, I think we can say that, you know, we all agree that the Bible must have the final
46:52say-so.
46:52If you don't, then I don't see how you could say you were even a Christian.
46:55But if someone wants to venture out into that space that we're talking about here, they
47:00have to be willing to listen to others who are on the cautionary side.
47:04You know, these things that we have seen easily leads to deception, and they've even deceived
47:08their own leaders, as we've seen with most gifted people in the last century that go off
47:13into error.
47:14You know, I would prefer to fellowship with groups that focus only on the gospel, teaching
47:19through the scripture so I can understand them more, and focus on the salvation of souls,
47:23teaching the word so that I can live a better Christian life, and supporting those who are
47:28most needy and doing the same, you know, here in our country and also overseas, especially
47:34overseas.
47:35So what I'm suspicious about are groups that speak of taking over the government institutions,
47:40ruling the world, ruling over people to bring back Jesus Christ, you know, and also speaking,
47:46say, under the anointing, you know, things to people that dictate what should be their
47:51private choices in life, you know, such as who they marry, what car they should buy, where
47:57they should live, you know, and also speaking some demonstration of supernatural power that's
48:02going to come to the church to rock the world.
48:04You know, I'm very suspicious about those type of groups, and I tend to want to steer
48:09clear of those, John.
48:10Well, that's just it.
48:11It really all comes back to agenda.
48:13If you understand what these people are doing, and you understand all of the things that we
48:18see, the fear tactics, the false prophecy, the false restorations of apostles, all of these
48:23things, that's not the problem.
48:26And although people go to those and say that this is the problem with the movement, that is
48:31really what you're seeing as a result of the problem of the movement, and it's the agenda.
48:36And so from the outside of the NAR looking in, they see the Seven Mountains mandate, for
48:41example, and they say that's the agenda of the movement.
48:43They're wanting to take control.
48:45It's not really that.
48:46That's not the agenda.
48:48The agenda, if you understand the core theology that produced all of this, from all of this
48:55came the idea that God was not in power.
48:59Branham said it openly.
49:01Jesus was just a man whenever he died on the cross, and that Jesus was not divine, basically.
49:08So therefore, as not a deity of the Christian faith, which is named after Jesus Christ, as
49:14not a deity, he's not in control.
49:16So as the church began to develop and form through all of the church history that exists
49:22into what we have today, what they're trying to say, their true agenda is to say that God
49:29is not in control.
49:31We need to become like gods, and we need to become in control ourself to fix the mess that
49:37God made.
49:38When it all comes right down to it, that's it.
49:40They'll tell you that the religious systems that exist today, they're evil.
49:44They're plagued with Satanism or whatever is the demonic thing that they're saying.
49:50And in its essence, the agenda is that God is not in control.
49:53Therefore, we must be in control.
49:55We must become like gods.
49:57Like the serpent, you can become like God.
50:00You can know both good and evil, and you can do the things that God could not do because
50:04he's not divine.
50:06In its essence, that's the agenda.
50:08And for me, it is scary.
50:10Whenever I think about all of these movements that exist because of this, where does it
50:15go from there?
50:16Whenever it turns to that level of evil, where does it go?
50:20Yeah, John, you know, we're only beginning to scratch the surface of these things.
50:25And just as with the use of the 70 disciples and using that scripture and using it as part
50:32of your ministry, we see that the deception, you know, here, it runs very deep because there's
50:37a lot of things underlying all these things that's being said.
50:40You know, this teaching, you know, may seem innocent.
50:42You know, just, hey, I made a mistake.
50:44I said the 70 disciples walked away from me.
50:47That may not have been true, but it may seem innocent.
50:51But that's just the tip of the iceberg.
50:53You know, an iceberg is a huge, massive ice.
50:56Most of it's underwater.
50:58When you speak about one little scripture that you misinterpreted and then used it for your
51:02own ends, it's really just the tip of the iceberg that we're seeing.
51:06And if you ignore that and you think it's innocent, you know, underline what is being
51:12said there is where the danger is.
51:14You know, the iceberg is beneath the water.
51:16That's what's going to sink your ship.
51:18And that's where all the danger is.
51:20You know, just so you can't ignore what's above the surface.
51:22You have to scrutinize and examine everything.
51:25Because this one little thing leads to the whole motivation of William Branham and what
51:32makes him tick.
51:33You know, he may have been able to project a humility to people, convince them he was
51:37humble, but he was very adamant about his beliefs in himself.
51:41He was adamant about himself to be a teacher, a major prophet, you know, with a last day message.
51:47And in fact, to the most important people of God who live on this earth today, which is
51:51his church, you know, his self-deception, I believe, came in several ways.
51:57We see this today as pride in your own beliefs, trust in your supernatural workings above the
52:02scripture, blind to your own failed prophecies.
52:06You know, there's very few prophets of today that will come forth and say, hey, I was wrong.
52:10I need to step down.
52:12You can't call me a prophet anymore.
52:14They just carry on as if it didn't even happen.
52:16Same thing happened in William Branham's ministry.
52:18And also failing, being stubborn and wanting to teach and having influence among people
52:25was another thing that led to William Branham's self-deception.
52:29And also failing to heed the warnings from others, you know, that he was working with.
52:34I believe that he believed because he possessed certain abilities, say, and that made him special
52:40and his message true and vindicated by God, as we've seen in these quotes.
52:43He trusted in something that scripture warns us not to trust in.
52:47And which is the supernatural signs and wonders.
52:50There's more scriptures in the Bible about warning you about these supernatural signs and
52:54wonders and how they would lead you astray and how the false prophets would even exhibit
52:59those.
53:00But he fully relied on his discernment as being his vindication.
53:04And over and over again, he could say it was never wrong and so forth.
53:08But his discernment was, you know, never 100% vindicated, as you've shown some examples
53:13of where he actually was wrong in that.
53:15So there's instances on tape where it was wrong.
53:18And even though 99% seemed correct, even if he was doing this without assistance from the
53:23gimmicks, you know, the one or two that he got wrong, it blows the whole thing up, shows
53:30that it's not trustworthy.
53:31And that leads us back to the scriptures as the only trustworthy source of truth, John,
53:38not William Branham's interpretation of scripture here.
53:41And the gimmicks, it's really a byproduct of the agenda.
53:45And there was always this gimmick, signs, wonders, miracles.
53:48If you look to the old, you know, the old newspaper advertisements for these revival meetings,
53:52they would always advertise signs, wonders, miracles, come see, step right up like it was
53:56a circus.
53:57And that was just a byproduct of the agenda that was there.
54:00Because there was always that underlying agenda in the latter rain movement that the church
54:05has become apostate because God is not in control.
54:08Therefore, we need to come in, we as the apostles and prophets of this movement and fix it.
54:13So there was always this agenda.
54:15There was always this gimmick.
54:17And if you understand what that agenda is, you understand why that they needed that as a
54:22distraction from their agenda.
54:24And it worked.
54:25There were people who are distracted and they focus on the signs and wonders and miracles
54:30more than they do the doctrine.
54:32And sadly, because most people who are Christian today do not read the Bibles, they really didn't
54:38understand that what they're saying was not just extra biblical or slightly off.
54:45Some cases like this, it was anti-biblical and to the level of extreme that it was against
54:51Jesus himself.
54:52William Branham preached against Jesus himself.
54:55And yet all of these leaders who have proclaimed Branham as God's general or whatever they claim
55:02in their history that leads to Branhamism, they're building on that foundation of somebody
55:08who was preaching against Jesus Christ.
55:10That's what you have to understand.
55:12But there's so much more we could get into.
55:15I could probably go off an hour on that one sentence I just made.
55:18But thank you so much for doing this, John.
55:20Yeah, John, I've really enjoyed speaking about these things.
55:24And, you know, each time I dig into the message, I find more things like this.
55:29And I hope that in the future episodes, we'll be able to get into more and more things and how they tie
55:33into this manifested sons of God and how that also ties into the NAR as you bring more and more of that out.
55:41But we see that the misplacement of Scripture and the misinterpretation of Scripture can lead you off to a very dark place.
55:47And that's what we need to be on guard against.
55:49So I look forward to, you know, getting together on future episodes, and we'll see where it leads.
55:55Well, I look forward to it.
55:56If you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.
56:00You can find us at william-branham.org.
56:02For more about Roy Davis and William Branham, you can read The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
56:09And for more about the dark side of the New Apostolic Reformation, you can read
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