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01:16U.S. President Donald Trump
01:18datang.
01:19Dan ini adalah
01:20yang paling berpartisipasi
01:22oleh pemimpin world
01:2368
01:25pemimpin world
01:26yang akan bergabung
01:28Forum 2026.
01:30Pertanyaan pertama saya
01:31dalam dunia hyper-hubungan
01:33dan
01:35sama-sama polaris
01:37Adakah kita
01:39menggabungi
01:40komunikasi dengan
01:41pemahaman sebenar
01:42dan
01:43apa yang telah itu
01:45untuk memahami
01:47rekonfiguration
01:48dan
01:49pembangunan yang berlaku?
01:51Sebagai
01:53budak kampung
01:55saya lebih suka mengambil
01:57perjalanan yang mudah
01:59kerana kita tidak
02:00mengambil
02:01atau mengetahui
02:02ini terlalu banyak
02:03sehingga kita
02:04memahami
02:05bahawa dunia
02:06akan melalui
02:07perubahan
02:08sekarang
02:09Pada masa ini
02:10saya rasa
02:11perkara yang kita
02:12lupa untuk melakukan
02:13yang penting
02:14yang penting
02:15adalah
02:16untuk
02:17melakukkan
02:18kepercayaan
02:19yang berlaku
02:20itu
02:21tidak
02:22yang
02:23yang
02:24ingin
02:25dapat
02:26dapat
02:27mendapatkan
02:28atau
02:29dapat
02:30tidak
02:31berlaku
02:32kepercayaan
02:33kepercayaan
02:34kepercayaan
02:35kepercayaan
02:36kepercayaan
02:37kecilan
02:38atau
02:39kepercayaan
02:40kepercayaan
02:41kepercayaan
02:42hidup
02:48kepercayaan
02:50kepercayaan
02:51tidak
02:53membuat
02:54kepercayaan
02:55I think that you can just read and assimilate values or something you need to practice.
03:02So if you, as a budak kampung, I'll tell you that the values that our predecessors, right,
03:09going back to the time that Malaysia was born and even before that,
03:13those values translated into what Malaysia is today.
03:17And every time along the way, we diverge or divest ourselves from these values, we lose.
03:25So, you see, what is, for example, you know, one of the plagues that the third world is facing right now,
03:35not only Malaysia, but definitely Malaysia has to be included, is simply corruption.
03:42Corruption is not understanding values. It's actually the opposite.
03:48We are chasing the opposite, which is wealth.
03:51and that ends up with us being, you know, the wealth being concentrated in the hands of too few
03:58and unfortunately, the people who suffer the most are at the bottom of the ladder.
04:03and I think one of the most powerful values that I would like to move on to is listening.
04:12This is something that you and I have discussed already.
04:15Yes.
04:15So, listening is a superpower and for any leader who listens,
04:24he is able to see the other side of the coin.
04:29Even knowing 80% of whatever subject that you are dealing with,
04:34some leaders are overconfident because they think they know 80 or 90,
04:37or even more, in their opinion, is not enough because the 10% we do not know could be critical.
04:46Yeah, you're right.
04:47You see?
04:48So, sebenarnya, what has happened in Malaysia,
04:51and I want to refer back to Malaysia first before we look at the global consciousness.
04:55In Malaysia, if we have lost our way, which unfortunately appears that we have,
05:02all right, then the whole thing drops down to this.
05:06We will stop listening.
05:08We will stop listening.
05:10And we start making assumptions, you know,
05:13because when you don't listen, you assume.
05:17Memangnya, it's just like there's no jambatan across the sungai, you know.
05:20So, we are jumping across.
05:22So, we make an assumption.
05:24Assumption, the problem with assumption,
05:26in the words of some other American mentor of mine,
05:31you make an ass of you and me.
05:33Every time you assume, you make an ass of you and me.
05:36So, it's the same.
05:37So, we have leaders who have done this.
05:41And, you know, sooner or later, the election speaks for itself.
05:46Before, I want to talk about the empathy of it.
05:50because listening to the problem is very important
05:53so that you can come up with the good policies
05:55that really tackle the problems.
05:57But you mentioned about chasing wealth.
05:59Now, do you see that the current economies
06:01really can balance out chasing wealth
06:05at the same time of well-being?
06:06Because today, as we do this recording,
06:09Oxfam, working forum, just come up with the report
06:12stating that more billionaires are being created
06:16and the gap for the most vulnerable groups of people
06:21globally widened as we speak.
06:26We had this discussion many, many years before.
06:28Yes, we did.
06:29And it seems that we did not find the solutions.
06:32There is no solution to be found.
06:34There is only a solution to be practiced.
06:37You know, if you go back to our old way,
06:39our old ways had a lot of wisdom in it.
06:43You know, and these, what kids of today
06:46have is speed, connectivity and technology.
06:49They have access to more information in their fingertips
06:52than we have had in a lifetime.
06:54and they can draw upon it in an instant.
06:57But it's not something that we can, you know,
07:01convert into practice.
07:03That requires experience.
07:05And it is only when knowledge is combined with experience
07:08that you have wisdom.
07:10And it is wisdom that defines who is who in this world.
07:13So in terms of these, having these billionaires, so to speak,
07:17many of them got it too fast, too soon.
07:19You know, mereka pun tak faham.
07:22They don't understand why they have it.
07:25How they got there.
07:27And this is a challenge.
07:29Whereas, you know, organic growth or evolution,
07:33which is what Malaysia should aspire to be,
07:36requires a step-by-step approach.
07:38So going back to this issue of us losing track of our values.
07:44Now, we don't listen anymore.
07:47Hence, decisions are not made by consensus, right?
07:52When one man decides he knows what is good for the rest of the nation
07:56or what of the world,
07:59that's what the definition of a dictator is, in essence.
08:04So there's a good reason why many of our elders will say,
08:11We have a pair of ears, dual.
08:15and two eyes.
08:18Everything in our body is double.
08:21So when you use this too much, we forget to listen.
08:24And when we forget to listen, we forget to think.
08:28And decisions made without thinking results in the disasters that we face in the world.
08:33Yeah, talking about listening, it's very crucial and very important.
08:38Dr. Sri, why do you think that the world leaders, our leaders,
08:42find it difficult to admit that they don't know things,
08:46that they need to learn and they need to listen
08:48from the people who are actually facing problem
08:50before you come up with a solution?
08:51Well, this Davos is a case in point.
08:56People come here to grandstand.
08:59They come here to make sure that everybody is listening to them.
09:03And the fact of the matter is,
09:05everybody is trying to talk more
09:07and listen less.
09:09One of the reasons I keep coming back to Davos
09:13is it is a fascinating study of human evolution
09:17and of human relationships.
09:20So when I sit here and listen to these people,
09:23it gives me a great insight which I take back home.
09:27Because that's where I think it helps me in a pragmatic way.
09:31that is, I begin to recognise that this is not what I want to be.
09:38This is not who I want to be.
09:40And, you know, if at all we are going to change,
09:43it has to start with me.
09:45So when I go back, I try to put into practice.
09:49From Davos, I pick up a lot of things which I want to implement
09:53and a lot of things that I don't,
09:56that I want to change away from.
09:58So this is a very powerful thing.
09:59and it reminds me very much of my own upbringing.
10:03As I told you, my budak kampung,
10:05I was, I grew up in Tengganu.
10:07And I'm telling you that the wisdom of some of our,
10:10you know, elders back home
10:12was a lot more potent
10:15and necessary today.
10:18You know, it is my grandfather's wisdom
10:20which I relate to right now
10:22and recognise.
10:24You know, simple things.
10:25Because sometimes we forget.
10:26Power is, unfortunately, the worst of all addictions.
10:32You know, people talk about drug addiction,
10:34alcohol addiction,
10:35I'm telling you,
10:36there is nothing worse than power.
10:39You see, and no amount of power is enough.
10:42They want more and more.
10:44You know, they want to take on more,
10:45they want to absorb more,
10:47and it never stops.
10:48A billionaire who spends a million dollars a day,
10:51as many of these people here are capable of,
10:55still will never exhaust what they have,
10:57you know, in one lifetime.
10:59But they are chasing again.
11:01So, you know,
11:02we have forgotten how to be grateful,
11:06which is a fundamental issue.
11:08and everything starts with gratitude.
11:12Because if you start with gratitude
11:14and being grateful,
11:16then we can learn to live life,
11:18because we'll be content,
11:20as opposed to being chasing.
11:23You know,
11:24and this chasing thing
11:25is something that is also addictive
11:27and ends up going nowhere.
11:30So, I'm of the opinion
11:32that wealth in the hands of too few,
11:36sadly,
11:37something that I have learned to
11:41especially feel here,
11:42in this environment,
11:44is damaging the world,
11:46more so than anything else.
11:48You know,
11:49most of the wars that you see right now,
11:51they're not a result of,
11:53you know,
11:53political issues.
11:55They are simply a source of
11:57power
11:59and show of force.
12:02You know,
12:03mine is bigger than yours.
12:04That's what you want to do in the world.
12:07And unfortunately,
12:07that is part of the challenge we are facing.
12:25You mentioned a few qualities
12:26that the leaders should have,
12:28be it in politics,
12:29be it in corporate,
12:30in corporate,
12:31or communities itself.
12:33But at the same time,
12:34we want to have humility as well.
12:36But,
12:37it seems that humility is seen
12:38as a weakness
12:39in leadership,
12:41especially in politics and business.
12:42Do you think
12:43that's still the case?
12:46See,
12:47there are many things
12:49that I could say on the subject
12:51because we have,
12:53among other people,
12:54one of the world leaders
12:55coming in here
12:55and humility is not his trademark.
12:59No.
12:59Yeah,
12:59okay.
13:00It is not.
13:01And for some obscure reason,
13:03you know,
13:04people find that fascinating.
13:05Yeah.
13:05but to me,
13:07you know,
13:08I have been,
13:09I grew up at a time
13:10where I looked up to people
13:11like Mahatma Gandhi,
13:13Mandela,
13:14Nelson Mandela,
13:15Martin Luther King,
13:16Mother Teresa.
13:18These are people
13:18that shape my values
13:20and my,
13:21you know,
13:21thinking processes.
13:22And I'm grateful
13:24that I was,
13:25in my lifetime,
13:27able to be touched
13:28by these people.
13:30So,
13:30I don't believe that,
13:31you know,
13:33people who do not appreciate
13:34or understand humility
13:35last very long
13:37in any sense of the word.
13:39History has been built
13:41over and over again
13:42in the legacy
13:43of people
13:43who understood humility.
13:46Humility is not a weakness.
13:48It is a strength.
13:49And people sometimes
13:50forget
13:50that being humble
13:52does not mean
13:52you have to be meek.
13:55Tak payah takut.
13:56You don't have to be worried
13:57or fearful.
13:59Humility requires courage.
14:01Humility requires deep strength.
14:04And humility is something
14:05that all our leaders right now
14:07can use a lot more of.
14:09Today.
14:11You are talking about
14:12emotional economy.
14:13This is very important to have.
14:15Yes.
14:16In order for us to solve
14:17the problem that you are facing
14:18currently,
14:18not currently,
14:19for many, many years
14:20before,
14:22even until up to
14:23until today.
14:24Do you think that
14:25we are,
14:26we still have that chance
14:27heading towards that?
14:29The problem with
14:30the hyper-connected world
14:32such as we are facing
14:33right now
14:34is this,
14:35it is leading to where
14:38we are more,
14:40there's more apathy.
14:42Being detached is something
14:43I can relate to.
14:45I think all leaders need to have
14:46a certain level of detachment.
14:47so I don't believe in making
14:50decisions by emotion.
14:53You know,
14:53emotional decisions
14:54always lead to disaster.
14:56Right.
14:57So I do believe in detachment
14:59but what we lack
15:00is empathy.
15:01What we lack
15:02is more and more
15:04apathy out there
15:05because
15:05we have an overload
15:06of information
15:07that we are unable
15:08to process
15:09and cannot relate to.
15:11our kids
15:12unfortunately
15:13the next generation
15:14who are going to take over
15:15they are not being
15:17given the understanding
15:19so they can't go deep.
15:22They have a
15:23great understanding
15:24which is shallow.
15:27Right.
15:27Far more than we ever had.
15:29But what we need
15:30is depth.
15:32Trees that
15:32that last 100 years
15:34have roots that go down.
15:36You see.
15:36Otherwise we are lalang.
15:38So
15:39I think
15:40the trick lies
15:41in the fact
15:42that we need
15:43to understand
15:43ourselves first
15:44before we try
15:46to take on the world.
15:48It seems that
15:49the world leaders
15:50the leaders
15:51in politics
15:52are busy
15:54in focusing
15:55the near-term risk
15:56the changing
15:57of economic
15:58geopolitical
15:59and all that.
16:00It seems that
16:00it's hard for them
16:01to comprehend
16:02the importance
16:03of investing in people
16:04because this is
16:06a long-term investment.
16:08Do you see
16:08that that's the case
16:09that's happening
16:10around the world
16:11and why
16:11it's very important
16:13for global leaders
16:15from global south
16:16leaders as well
16:17to focus on
16:18investing in people
16:19so that you have
16:20better leaders
16:23in the future
16:23to face
16:25the challenges ahead?
16:26you know I've always
16:27said this
16:28is one of my
16:29slogans
16:30companies don't
16:33succeed
16:33countries don't
16:35succeed
16:36people do
16:37it is the people
16:38who make the
16:39difference
16:39for example
16:41I mean
16:42if you take a look
16:42at the people
16:43who have been
16:44most misaligned
16:45and the ones
16:47that are suffering
16:47the most
16:48historically
16:49as well as
16:50today
16:50they are the
16:51ones who are
16:52actually thriving
16:53all right
16:55we are
16:55in essence
16:56coming from
16:56the third world
16:57and in the third world
16:59it is teeming
17:00with people
17:01who do not have
17:02you know
17:03the kind of
17:04opportunities
17:04that the first world
17:05has
17:06but at the same time
17:08that's where
17:08the hope
17:09of the future
17:10relies upon
17:11the youth
17:12of today
17:13represent
17:13the hope
17:14of the future
17:15and the fact
17:16is I would
17:17invest in people
17:18first and foremost
17:19very recently
17:21I was asked
17:21to speak about
17:22a situation
17:23in the Philippines
17:25which was
17:26with regards
17:26to
17:27you know
17:28the digital divide
17:29in the Philippines
17:29and how we can
17:30essentially
17:32leverage upon
17:33that
17:33young
17:34youthful
17:35population
17:35which is
17:36common also
17:37to Vietnam
17:38and Indonesia
17:39and ASEAN
17:39as a whole
17:40the fact is
17:42that is our
17:43greatest wealth
17:44nothing that lies
17:45under the ground
17:46nothing that
17:47you know
17:47it's not oil
17:48it's not minerals
17:49it is people
17:50people are our future
17:52people are the
17:53secret weapon
17:54investing in people
17:55is the most
17:56logical thing to do
17:57and we need to invest
17:59not just in
18:00academic
18:01we need to
18:02inculcate values
18:04and make them
18:05understand
18:05that value
18:07has value
18:08but sometimes
18:10our policy
18:11is driven
18:11by these
18:12various systems
18:13that the legacy
18:14has
18:15left us
18:16and it's not
18:17an easy task
18:18for us to change
18:19overnight
18:19discussion
18:20after discussion
18:21but how do you
18:23see that
18:24a tough decision
18:26must be made
18:26by someone
18:27because whenever
18:29tough decision
18:29made
18:30internationally
18:31it seems
18:32like
18:33as if you want
18:34to change
18:35the whole
18:35order that you've
18:36seen
18:37for many decades
18:38that we've seen
18:39throughout the world
18:40the first answer
18:41I'll give you
18:42is this
18:43nothing in life
18:44that comes easy
18:45is worthwhile
18:46it's just
18:48a simple statement
18:49that explains
18:51our human predicament
18:52we chase easy
18:54you know
18:55and unfortunately
18:56our kids are following
18:56the same example
18:57they're choosing easy
18:59easy is a path
19:00that leads
19:01nowhere
19:01if you look at
19:03your own life
19:04in terms of
19:05any achievement
19:05anything that
19:06you're proud of
19:07any performance
19:09or award
19:09that you receive
19:10it always comes
19:11after hard work
19:12and hard
19:13we avoid
19:14this applies
19:16universally
19:17on every subject
19:18easy is not
19:19what we should chase
19:20easy solutions
19:21you know
19:22may be easy
19:24for the politicians
19:25to put into effect
19:26today
19:27but they don't
19:28answer
19:29any of our
19:30long term problems
19:31which are really
19:31the issue
19:32that they should
19:33be looking at
19:34and unfortunately
19:35they are thinking
19:36of their survival
19:37political survival
19:38and next elections
19:39the reality is
19:41if we could just
19:43understand
19:44easy
19:45is essentially
19:47the path
19:49downwards
19:49so
19:51your objective is
19:52whatever you do
19:53that is hard
19:54is changing something
19:55inside of you
19:56whether as a country
19:57or as an individual
19:59when you're doing
20:00something that is
20:01hard
20:01you're changing
20:02you're actually
20:03working on yourself
20:04and even failing
20:06is okay
20:07because
20:08if you worked hard
20:10and failed
20:10you are growing
20:12failing because
20:14you have not tried
20:15because it is too easy
20:16that's a slippery slope
20:18but
20:19if you're working hard
20:20then failing
20:21is a stepping stone
20:22and even for Malaysia
20:23right now
20:24we should be
20:26looking at this
20:27as something
20:28that we need
20:29to embrace
20:30work hard
20:32it will
20:33lead to growth
20:34globally
20:38not just in Malaysia
20:39we have
20:40trust deficit
20:41in our institutions
20:43our leaders
20:44policy makers
20:46even in corporates
20:47to corporates
20:48to the next 10
20:48how do we build it again
20:50because we had
20:51the discussion
20:51for many many years
20:52in World Economic Forum
20:53how do we build
20:55that trust again
20:56see trust
20:57is a two-way street
20:58it requires two people
21:00to trust
21:00hence
21:01it's something
21:02that needs to be built upon
21:04but
21:04at the same time
21:05one has to recognise
21:06that
21:07you cannot be responsible
21:08for anyone else's
21:10standard of behaviour
21:12but you are
21:13definitely responsible
21:15for your own
21:16and fundamentally
21:17it is critically important
21:19that you
21:20basically set
21:21your standards
21:22so high
21:23that everyone
21:24around you
21:25starts to
21:26trust you
21:27but it doesn't
21:29it doesn't mean
21:30that you are
21:30expecting
21:31expectations
21:32lead to disappointment
21:33so don't sit back
21:34and say
21:35somebody else
21:35should be
21:36you know
21:36doing better
21:37no
21:37change who you are
21:39and that's how
21:40trust is built
21:41you see
21:42so your standards
21:43are the only thing
21:44that counts
21:44let other people
21:46trust you
21:46that's where
21:47the goal is
21:48let's close our
21:50discussion
21:50with the team
21:51of World Economic Forum
21:522026
21:53spirit of dialogue
21:55yes
21:55dialogue again
21:56you see
21:57but this time around
21:59they want to see
22:00action
22:00now
22:01World Economic Forum
22:01is a free body
22:03they cannot dictate
22:04how
22:05world leaders
22:06do or take
22:07actions
22:07or do policies
22:08but how do we do that
22:09how do we ensure
22:10that action
22:11is being taken
22:12based on the dialogue
22:13that we have here
22:13dialogue is still
22:15the only way forward
22:16not having
22:18dialogue
22:18leads to a monologue
22:19so when you're
22:21having a monologue
22:22you know
22:22unfortunately
22:23you start making
22:25assumptions
22:25you see
22:27and that is
22:27unfortunately
22:28again
22:28a major problem
22:29there are
22:30some world leaders
22:31here
22:32who are coming here
22:33they're actually
22:34having more of a monologue
22:35than anything else
22:36so
22:37dialogue
22:38is the
22:39only way forward
22:40and
22:41in dialogue
22:42we have that opportunity
22:44to see the other side
22:46and it's critical
22:47that solutions
22:48are found
22:49in dialogue
22:49we have still
22:52not found
22:52any other
22:53way of doing this
22:54unless we develop
22:55telepathy
22:56dialogue is the
22:58only way forward
22:58all right
23:00Dato Sri
23:00thank you so much
23:01for helping us
23:02to understand
23:02finally
23:03better
23:04the theme
23:05the
23:06the
23:07the dialogue
23:09that we have
23:10in working
23:10forum 26
23:11without dialogue
23:12it is monologue
23:13according to
23:15Dato Sri
23:15thank you so much
23:16this
23:17this
23:17is how to
23:18understand
23:18empathy
23:19that
23:19there is
23:19to be
23:20to be
23:20to be
23:21to be
23:21not mudah
23:22because
23:22one is
23:23legacy
23:23to be
23:24to be
23:24to be
23:24to be
23:25what they
23:27want to
23:27do
23:28to be
23:29to be
23:29to be
23:30to be
23:31to be
23:31to be
23:32empathy
23:33that
23:33it is
23:33to be
23:33to be
23:34to be
23:34to be
23:35to be
23:35and to be
23:37to be
23:38rakyat
23:39termasuk
23:39juga
23:39dalam
23:39set
23:39corporate
23:40pada
23:40akhirnya
23:41ok
23:41sekian
23:41saja
23:42untuk
23:42kita punya
23:43temubual
23:44pada kali ini
23:44ada banyak lagi temubual
23:46yang kita
23:46membawakan
23:46dari
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