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03:40Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago, and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:55And of course, those of you who are locked on regionally and internationally.
03:59Today was a rainy day, so I hope persons understand that you still need to take it easy on the nation's roads
04:05as you continue to go to your final destination.
04:08I'm your host, Whitney Husbands, and today we have a lot to unfold.
04:12With that being said, we have a very sad incident that occurred yesterday,
04:17and we want to send condolences to the family of Chandra Jury.
04:22Her life was tragically and violently taken on December 2nd in the Gasparillo area.
04:28Also, we would like to show you two photos of two cousins, Jason Roll and Tyrese Peters,
04:36from the Claxton Bay area, missing since the 28th of November.
04:41Any information, please contact 800-TIPS-999-555 or Hunter Search and Rescue at 799-1453.
04:52Now, we're smack in the middle of the week, so that means only one thing.
04:56Legally speaking, Wednesdays, and we have our attorney at law who is with us every Wednesday.
05:02We have attorney at law, Zakir Ali, and director of policy and community support
05:07in the Ministry of Homeland Security.
05:10Mr. Ali, good evening. How are you?
05:13Well, Whitney, you know, I'm lost for words, you know.
05:17You know, just the fact that you are present, you know, I would not be as comfortable as I normally am,
05:23you know, because of your influence, but it's indeed a pleasure.
05:26Yes, it's a pleasure here as well.
05:27Let me take this opportunity publicly to welcome you back on Beyond the Tape.
05:31You know, I know that you have a lot of supporters, you know, in the public domain,
05:35so, you know, thank you very much for joining us.
05:38As I said before, it's a pleasure to be here with you, Jackie, and our family on Beyond the Tape.
05:43Very instrumental role, our citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, most importantly, my law enforcement colleagues.
05:49Yes.
05:50And those who may be viewing and listening to the program out of the jurisdiction.
05:54Let me indicate, I know that you shared some news, you know, a short while ago.
05:59Mixed, you know, sad and, you know, when we have missing persons as well.
06:03Very concerning.
06:05But first, before we go there, let me take this opportunity.
06:08I received some intelligence that, you know, your little one would have celebrated her birthday daily.
06:15Yes.
06:16So let me take this opportunity, you know, to wish her if she's looking on happy belated birthday.
06:20I hope that, you know, both of you all, you know, had a great time.
06:23She had a fantastic time.
06:24And I know that, you know, if she's a replica of her mother, well, you know.
06:28You got great intelligence.
06:30Yeah.
06:31Wow.
06:32So I know I got A1 intelligence.
06:33But, you know, I just want to say belated with it to her and wish her many more to come.
06:37I appreciate that.
06:38So, you know, let's see how best I can assist you this afternoon.
06:40Yeah.
06:41So we have a lot, as I mentioned earlier in the show when we open to dive into.
06:45And with that being said, we enter day number nine in the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence against women and girls.
06:53And this year, of course, you know the theme.
06:55So unite to end digital violence against all women and girls.
07:00So what is a dependent?
07:02A dependent is a relation to a respondent, meaning an adult.
07:08A. Who, by reason of physical or mental disability, age or infirmity, is reliant for his welfare on either the respondent or a person with whom the respondent is in a domestic relationship.
07:28And B. Under the age of 25 years, who is receiving education at an educational institution and undergoing training for a trade profession or vocation.
07:41And who is reliant for his welfare on either the respondent or a person with whom the respondent is in a domestic relationship.
07:51Mr Ali.
07:52So thank you very much, Whitney.
07:54And I know that we are, as you indicated, number nine.
07:57And I think for the persons who are listening, what you have just read, the operative part here is that most of the times when we hear a dependent, we probably think, you know, it's a child.
08:06We restrict it to a child.
08:07But very interestingly, in part B, you'll recognize that under the age of 25 years, and clearly indicating that that person may be still within an educational institution and still require whether financial or other assistance.
08:20So that basically covers dependent, very, very wide, very wide definition.
08:24And very important in the whole discussion on domestic violence because, just to reinforce the point, if a dependent is in a home, that dependent can also be exposed to domestic violence.
08:35So it's not only necessarily the term you're using respondent or the offender as a case may be.
08:40It may be a dependent or a person with some level of relationship with the persons who may be aggrieved.
08:44So very, very important term that has been used there.
08:47And, you know, one thing I wanted to say, Jackie, can you just go back to the previous slide?
08:52You see the Domestic Violence Act amended by Act 2020, Chapter 45, 56.
08:59Yes.
09:00You know, just to magnify that the Domestic Violence Act was there since 1999.
09:05And over the years, it has gone through several amendments.
09:08So while they may have just mentioned the 2020 Act, there are other legislation or other acts, sorry, that would have amended the Domestic Violence Act as we come forward.
09:17And I'm certain, Whitney, as we go forward, looking at the observance, that there may be areas that we need to strengthen to ensure that the legislation really protects and, you know, prevent, or if there's domestic violence, really treat with the offender severely.
09:33Yeah. And I'm seeing now that with the age of 18, many persons believe that because they are an adult and they're still living at home, they can operate a certain way.
09:40But it's clear the law is showing.
09:41That's correct.
09:42Until under the age of 25 if you are dependent.
09:44That's correct.
09:45Now, we have a message from Inspector Runjanath Rampart.
09:50All right.
09:51Always be mindful of what you share online.
09:54It may return in a different format with artificial intelligence.
09:59Well, very, sorry.
10:00No, you can go ahead.
10:01Very, very interesting quote.
10:03And I'm happy that, you know, he has factored in the area of artificial intelligence.
10:07You know that's a very significant area now.
10:10Yes.
10:11But in terms of what you share online, it may return.
10:14And, you know, it goes to show basically what he has spoken about there, in my view, if I were to summarize it, is being responsible in what you're posting, what you're communicating, because it can come back to haunt you.
10:24So, be very careful what you're putting out into the public domain, especially if it goes to the heart of issues of privacy.
10:31Very sensitive information that can, you know, bring unnecessary stress on you, even in some cases, violence.
10:38Yes.
10:39And I think today, I stressed on this earlier this week as well.
10:42Yes.
10:43For young persons who believe that it's okay, you feel comfortable enough, someone that you believe that you could trust, to send intimate.
10:50Yes.
10:51Not just pictures, but information.
10:52Yes.
10:53That is sensitive information that now you're exposing yourself to the masses and the world could see.
10:58Yes.
10:59And it's very hard to clean up in the World Wide Web.
11:01Well, I'm happy that you said that, Whitney.
11:03I think that, you know, legally speaking Wednesday, it's important for me to, you know, build on that, because I think it's important in terms of where recently, and I'm sure the entire Trinidad and Tobago would have been familiar with that case, Lendell Simmons, who says, who?
11:15That's two parties, two individuals.
11:17And the genesis of that is that that same sharing of intimate information, one of the parties disclosed the information.
11:24Yes.
11:25And it went to a third party, and one of the individuals brought an action for breach of confidentiality.
11:32So I want to also say that in the context, while you have your call to ensure that there's responsible behavior.
11:38In other words, be careful because you do not know when that relationship had come to an end.
11:42And that person may just use that information to blackmail you.
11:45But I also want to say equally that those who may be sharing an intimate relationship, and for some reason or the other, they are sharing information, whether unknowingly or unknowingly, it does not give the other party the opportunity or the right to be sharing information that came in a relationship that we had, where there's supposed to be a degree of confidence.
12:03And case in point, we were not in the promenade, and I don't mean to be derogative, we were not in the promenade, we were not advertising on TV6.
12:13The fact that we get together in a private area, just you and I, it would have clearly exemplified that we want to enjoy that level of privacy.
12:23So you do not have the right to, I do not have the right to take intimate matters that we shared to our third party for whatever reason.
12:31And Justice Frank C. Passat, if I recall correctly, was very clear when he used the common law to protect those relationships.
12:37So I thought it was important to look at it in two contexts.
12:40Endorse your point, be responsible in your sharing, but still do not give the individual, the persons who are involved in the relationship, the authority to go and disclose information, unless you seek the other person's permission.
12:52I want to ask you this quickly. You know, we have seen time and time again, something happens to someone in the public domain, someone pulls out their phone and they record the individual, you don't know the individual from anywhere and decided to post it up on a social media platform.
13:06Is that also a form of using that intimate moment with a person, even though it was in public, let's say I fell and I exposed myself and someone recorded that and then posted it up. Could legal action be taken there?
13:18Well, you see, when you're in the public domain, you know, that in itself already starts to describe a particular situation, whether in fact it will be captured in terms of privacy, confidentiality, because you're in the public domain.
13:29And the question is, if you've taken a picture and it places someone in a derogatory position, in other words, it causes the average person, the reasonable person to start thinking differently about that individual, then it may be something that may require some discussion.
13:42So again, I'm happy that you said that in terms of being responsible. And if you are uncertain with me, this is a key. If you're uncertain, maybe you may have recorded something before you say send to reach third parties or thousands of persons.
13:56Seek some advice and see whether you're acting properly. And, you know, I don't mean to digress, but, you know, we'd have seen very heavy advice, very heavy statement being made in relation to the publication of information on social media.
14:09And we were looking at it from a context of public safety. But the way you are looking at it, we are looking at it in a context where it can be derogatory to an individual as well. So, you know, it calls for responsible behavior across the board.
14:21Yeah. All right. But now there's a major story that we mentioned earlier where the elderly woman found dead in Gasparillo home. Now, homicide detectives were called to the home of an elderly woman in Gasparillo who was found with injuries to her head and neck on Tuesday afternoon.
14:38The deceased was identified as Chandra Jury, 74, who was found dead in a home on San Fabian Road in Springlands. Now, police were told that the resident on the ground floor of the house found Jury in a pool of blood, unresponsive and motionless. Again, condolences to the family as the investigation continues and police said Jury had no vital signs, efforts to revive who proved fruitile.
15:07Well, you know, Whitney, I have to join with you. You know, it's a difficult time, you know, when you lost a loved one.
15:17And, you know, let me join with you in terms of extending condolences to the family. And, you know, I hope that the detectives will do a expeditious, diligent inquiry to really ascertain what really transpired, you know, at that location.
15:29I know that, you know, it's sketchy at this time. But, you know, just looking at the death of an individual and, you know, I don't mean to table it in a particular time of the year, but this is a time that we are coming where, you know, friends and family and looking forward to, you know, sharing those moments.
15:43And, you know, this is a family that will be probably discussing another issue with reference to this matter.
15:48So, again, unfortunate situation. But with me, permit me, please, you know, just to recognize the Psychologist Association of Trinidad and Tobago
15:56and the Citizen Against Noise Pollution in Trinidad and Tobago and the National Peer and Teachers Association, I want to recognize those three organizations this afternoon over the last couple of days, you know, where I sit as director of policy and community support.
16:14They were very much involved in very focused discussions and, you know, making very salient input in looking at promoting the public's interest.
16:24And very soon, you know, after the Honorable Minister entertains those documents and submissions, you know, you'll see some transition, you'll see some reform taking place.
16:35So I want to recognize those institutions. And the reason why I'm doing that is to move Trinidad and Tobago to recognize that when we are looking at public business, this is just not about you and I, Whitney.
16:44This is about when you talk about a state response. And here it is a three organization in three different contexts, finding the interest, finding the time to be able to contribute to public development.
16:56So I'm asking the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, whether you're an individual, whether you're an NGO, civil society, public, private sector, corporate, recognize that you have a major role to play because we are facing many different challenges.
17:09So I just wanted to recognize these institutions led by some very strong executives.
17:15Now we go a bit further with the incident that happened in Gasparillo Home and we have the TV6 reporter, Cindy Raguda.
17:20Tika Singh spoke with the brother of Chandra Juri. So let's take a listen.
17:27Well, we were here. All of you was together right here. I spent the night and then I was going home, back home.
17:38So we decided to make a stop on the junction and I and the neighbor before we go.
17:43So when we went out there, you get it? When we went out there, we remained there having a beer and all we, we, this girl called me and tell me, well, I left to go from it, right?
18:00She called me and said, come back, come back, come back, come back, come back.
18:04Something happened to your sister. So when I come back here, all we know that somebody's here, but she had no complaint, no call the neighbors here.
18:14So that's it. Not a complaint. Yeah. All of them love her.
18:19her something to think about once one is them she was going away and i don't know if they think
18:29she had money with her because when they went up there and they kill her
18:36they only take her bag right they take her bag the phone was in it and they run with that
18:44because they didn't ram suck the room to say well they ram suck the room they search here
18:48or they search there they do nothing like that now they don't have nobody in there who
18:54just threaten people ending no that is very very bad very very bad to do those things
19:04i don't know as i tell you i don't know if they kill her for money or if it's something maybe 20
19:10years ago i don't know because she was too nice in the community everybody loves her neighbor
19:16she go anywhere to go temple she didn't have to say well you know she's a lady like to go and fit
19:22nice yeah like them kind of thing people have no love again now it's hate if you tell somebody
19:28something and they don't like you that's it crime looking to kill them this girl didn't do anything
19:36they've done nothing wrong you know look what they come and kill the girl inside her bedroom
19:46and you cannot know how much thing they're taking if they had some money in the bag
19:50or what you know because they take the bag and they go on with it and the phone too
19:56she was going to spend a whole month she had set a little grandchildren there and they waiting for her
20:00only to go shopping to buy things for the house you know and everything and the surreal disappointed
20:08very very disappointed
20:11mr ali loss of life is never easy and in this case seeing the brother grieving over his sister is
20:17really heart-wrenching yeah very difficult very difficult um with me and you know um as i said
20:22before in the previous um that that we spoke about insult you know let's listen to the to the relative
20:29of the deceased you know um very worrying in terms of we live among persons and sometimes you don't know
20:37the mindset you know and um it's important for the state you know whether it be law enforcement um to
20:46respond and respond decisively and you know it's good to investigate the victimology of those individuals
20:51i've always called for that to get an understanding as to well you know who is this individual and you
20:56know what what's what's happening with this individual and you know i'll close by indicating
20:59that you know we always like to factor in our community raise our child but i i want to extend it
21:05that you know and we are also observing domestic violence and we seem not to appreciate sometimes
21:10the importance of our community for all of us including myself because with me you never know the
21:17strongest will have issues always right and if you do not have persons who you can go to and seek
21:23proper advice and advice that will keep you um within line and to be able to treat with matters in a
21:29amicable way or um to ensure that you do not breach the criminal law you know you will find yourself
21:35feeling that the world is against you so my simple advice and in conjunction with observing domestic violence
21:40as well because this is this is a form of violence um allegedly from a another context but it's important
21:46as a community to start or if we are not doing it to start looking out for each other asking a question
21:55you never could tell when you may intercept something that can just be
21:59the the the need to prevent someone from doing something that is victim support is very important
22:05especially i'm sure you could mention that later on with yes where the law is concerned and being
22:10there to support the victims because sometimes we tend to forget them as we move straight into the update
22:15of the soe day 140 all right let's take a look let's see if anything has changed number of operations
22:2310 352 target priority offenders 3 258 searches conducted 69 237 traffic operation 7
22:35401 total persons arrested 4 396 total persons charged 2421 traffic offenses detected 38 974 firearms recovered we saw
22:53a change there with the revolvers and the shotguns a total of 236 ammunition recovered and a change there
23:02with the wrongs 12 gauge along with the wrongs 0.38 a total of 3228 and dangerous drug sees we're seeing of
23:14course a change there with the grams of cannabis that changed there so that is your update at day 140 all
23:24right so as we move right along let's take a look at today's headlines
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23:54And we are back, and of course, as we see, Mr. Ali, where crime is concerned, it continues to run rampant.
24:11And I can say this, that we cannot stop crime in this world, but we can find a way of controlling it.
24:18And we're seeing that the TTPS is hands-on and making sure they're trying their best to move forward with all the different crimes that are taking place in the country.
24:27Well, quite rightly so, Whitney, and just to go back to your slide in terms of, thanks for reading the statistics to bring the members of the public up to date in terms of the success of the law enforcement agencies,
24:37but also to make mention of their success as well, because some of the fine, whether it be firearms, ammunition, dangerous drug, intelligence information is coming from members of the public.
24:46Of course, it has to be handled in a confidential way, but you are seeing the incremental benefits, you know, from the seizures and the arrests, the charges and so forth.
24:54And then if you just look at the headlines, I just looked at the headlines quickly, you are seeing, you know, persistent efforts, consistent efforts on the part of law enforcement.
25:02You're seeing the seizure of drugs, arrests, charges, exercises and so forth.
25:05So, yes, I want to agree with you. There's a lot of energy. There's a lot of work being done by law enforcement.
25:12But as you rightly indicated, why we may not be able to totally eradicate crime.
25:17There are particular heinous crimes, serious crime that is organized crime, gang activity, murders, kidnappings, you know, possession of firearms, very, very serious matters.
25:25And if we don't get a grip quickly with references, the things that we are seeing, then, you know, it's going to continue to cause a big challenge for society and basically be troubling every sector of the society.
25:38And you don't want that. So, again, it's my duty to emphasize upon the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago to continue to join hands and play your role.
25:48And, you know, do not underestimate your role, Whitney. Your role this afternoon, as I'm, you know, representing the media, is so critical in relation to joining hands with law enforcement to show that formidable team.
26:00And also, while we are not seeing 1.3 million people, 1.3 million people are looking at both of us.
26:07And they are looking at us from a media context, from a law enforcement, from our ministries, from an attorney context.
26:11And they are in need of discussion.
26:14And it's important to move them to continue to give and make their input to ensure that we enjoy productivity where crime and criminality is concerned,
26:23to ensure that we put a stop or we put a dent in relation to those activities.
26:27And be law-abiding citizens.
26:28That's correct.
26:28Let's take a break. We'll be back after this.
26:29Let's take a break.
26:59Let's take a break.
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29:43and we are back legally speaking wednesdays and of course our attorney at law mr ali here with us
29:55and we're going to dive straight into it mr ali the conversation home invasion and the bill and
30:01where we at tell us a little bit more about how this bill is going to work well thank you very
30:07much for that question with me and i know that the entire republic of trinidad and tobago is
30:12looking carefully at that bill you know just to give a just a brief update you know the bill
30:16you know it's in the upper house um you know attracting very fierce debate on both sides
30:21including from the independent senators and um i'm sure all media houses you know will be covering
30:27and you know capturing particular statements from particular individual but the genesis of it
30:31whitney is that um we have seen a lot of reports of what we have classified home invasion in trinidad
30:37and tobago and you know that would have prompted the present government um during the campaign
30:44to clearly advertise that they intend to take actions in relation to dealing with home invasion
30:50and quote unquote um to ensure that they give the first the occupiers of a dwelling house lawful
30:56occupiers that is the opportunity to defend themselves um from persons the intruders who may be coming to
31:03if not inflict harm to basically you know take properties belonging to the individual so it was
31:08a bill that was geared towards the protection of lawful occupiers and i want to i want to begin there
31:13um having said that the offense of home invasion this bill that has been debated also creates the
31:22offense of home invasion so in other words it explains what home invasion so you speak about
31:26persons entering your dwelling house with basically and i'm going to summarize it for the purposes of time
31:31basically having criminal intent or to commit very serious criminal offenses um but how would you
31:37know question well they don't have a weapon well you're not seeing a weapon on the person well it's
31:41not only about not having a weapon it's if you have a weapon okay fine that that will assist the
31:46process into you assessing but you can also be in a situation where person into your house
31:51several persons you're not expecting them right perhaps their statements they may announce something when
31:57they arrive or the time that they arrive so there are many different circumstances that one can look
32:02at in order to form that reasonable cause to believe or suspect that persons um may be in the act of
32:09committing a crime and i need to make this point as well if you were in your dwelling house how these
32:13persons enter your dwelling house it means that they would have breached what a line of continuity which
32:17is to come into your property that's correct yes so a lot of people do recognize that they would have
32:22already demonstrated an act of violence by breaking the the line of continuity which we call your door
32:28your window to get in without um any permission and consent so their conduct alone already starts to um
32:34place them in a situation where there's an act of violence there's some criminal offense already committed
32:39and it's uh i view it as an ulterior intent crime where when coming into the dwelling house now they're looking to
32:44either inflict harm or you know um commit an act of rape um or maybe take our maybe it's a robbery
32:50they're going to take valuables from you um so you have to look at these circumstances in this entirety but
32:55you know the the the bill is geared towards affording that protection now just to balance it because
32:59you know i'm going to legal out as well there's been a lot of interesting debates and a lot of interesting
33:04responses and you know i want to ask the listening public and even the parliament you know to be very mature
33:10to understand that the more input that we have we are going to have a stronger piece of legislation
33:16to ensure that it protects all of us because we are not spared whitney i live in a house you live in a
33:22house and i want the citizens to appreciate that regardless if you stand in the parliament regardless
33:28if you stand in the garden whether if you're on media whether you are in a community none of us are
33:33spared the wrath of those persons who are involved in home invasion so i want us to look at it in a
33:39mature way and there was a very strong and powerful statement made by um professor ramish deuseron on
33:46morning edition i think with marlon hopkinson and prior to that i shared a similar perspective that if
33:53this bill is so sensitive when and if it becomes law because i don't know you know what what will happen
33:59i think that we need to go into a very strong educational awareness um sensitization um effort
34:09so ensure that every homeowner understand the law and how the law should operate and you know i've
34:16advocated you know for the law to also factor in um offices like the director of public prosecutions
34:23office to be able to that when force is used in a given circumstances it's not that the police is going
34:28to do an investigation and charge let an independent office have an opportunity to view it before there's
34:33initiation of criminal proceedings because the bill is geared towards the protection of the individual
34:38and the individual must be able to exert that level of confidence to be able to enjoy the law is backing
34:43them that's correct we have more that's important for independent offices in my view to be involved yeah
34:47most definitely more to dive in on that we need to take a short break and we'll be back with more
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38:24welcome back legally speaking wednesdays right now we head back to princess stone for voice of the people
38:36who are you going officer
38:50just a little bit about school violence have you seen a reduction in school violence
38:54since the police have been going into these schools since the beginning of the term well we are hearing much
39:00in the news so to say we are not you know plenty violent but otherwise children are easy you know
39:07school children are really easy either do it in the school they do it on the outside on the street
39:12and for those students who continue to be violent in schools what do you think could be done to
39:23differently to deter them from doing that my children do not like long time they don't care
39:33again you know what i mean they don't care again they don't care about the parents they don't care
39:38about nobody again it's a hard thing to think what to do with them now we talk about parents and
39:45you you think that parents should suffer some uh dire consequences for children and continue to be
39:51violent in schools yeah like that one some some parents like this we know what going on and they
39:56because if they turn leaving home with weapon extra clothes check the bag you know check the bag and
40:03this phone thing is the next problem you know we never had phones we never had violence i-61 now and
40:13last question yeah do you think that we need to have stark reminders visually
40:19on the nation's highways about accidents and road accidents yeah that's not that weird
40:27i think um people don't overdrive
40:37but i mean like do you think like putting up like not only cameras like you're putting up pictures of
40:42smashed cars dead dead persons on crime and on accident scenes
40:46i think that will now jolt persons people excuse me people have a new car they feel like it
40:53tip on it they don't already care it it it it it it could work too hey what do you think it could work too
41:01very much all right thanks so much for your time
41:11and that was voice of the people mr ali your thoughts and the comments
41:15well thank you very much again with me um with me always enjoy listening to the members of the public
41:19you know it's important as i said before you know give them an opportunity to be heard some of the
41:23greatest ideas you know you know can emerge from members of the public when you engage in them and
41:28i just want to take one area in terms of the issue of school violence yes and you know his his um
41:33position with reference to seems to be a challenge and hence why a few minutes ago you know i took your
41:38leave and jackie's leave to recognize three major institutions and i need to repeat them for the purposes of
41:43when we're speaking about school violence because while they have been an intervention in terms of
41:47the police in the schools it's important for us to continue to build on those interventions ensure
41:51we complement police in the schools and hence why associations like the psychologist association
41:56of trinidad and tobago um the national parent teachers association and the um the individuals you
42:04know um in various parts of trinidad and tobago you know who we are interacting with it's important to
42:10hear and listen to these individuals because they go to see it from different contexts yes if you if
42:15i ask you now what are you seeing you will draw up it here for me and if you ask me i'll draw up it
42:20here there may be some commonality but you're going to see different things different things i must
42:24understand that when we are looking at school violence we cannot only be looking at school violence
42:27through the lens of law enforcement yes law enforcement have a major role but there may be other
42:32organization and institution that have to fit in to the response and hence this is the direction and the
42:37policy position of the honorable minister of homeland security and the cabinet to look at this with a
42:41broader vision yeah we have a call on the line and of course we'll respond to the caller sure after
42:46the break hello a blessing good evening to mr ali and beautiful assistant good evening um mr ali uh you
42:55made an important point just now with respect to the standard wrong law based on the amount of
43:00discussions that is going on in the parliament um i am hoping that out of that discussion they will then
43:08take some of those ideas and sort of construct it into the law so you'll be doing amendments a couple
43:15years ago um we were called in to do ballistics now five ten years ago i'm of your opinion that in an event
43:26that there's a situation at home the license by um holder would have to go through this whole full process
43:40of going before the court some kind of days because once he admits yes i shoot at the bandit
43:47whether whoever it was the way we're going to call him they should do something like a tribunal or somebody
43:54that they put together that we can go before and have discussion and once that that body not one
44:02person had body when that body recognizes that really and fully we have to be in self-defense that
44:10should be something that would give us immunity i would listen for your response okay all right thank you
44:17so much call love you'll respond to your questions after the break
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48:30welcome back tnt mr ali to the caller well thank you very much caller caller i want to thank you
48:40um you've made a you have made a salient point as well and the point that he has made um
48:46whitney is that is one thing to pass the law the operationalization of the law is also extremely
48:54important and the area that he spoke about in terms of ballistics where a firearm may be used in a
48:58particular situation it's important for us that process to be properly taught out because you may
49:03have a situation where if a firearm is used you may have to seize that firearm for the purposes of
49:07conducting the investigation but on the other hand what will happen to the home owner
49:11if we are not careful so the operationalization must be looked at as equal importance to the law that
49:18we are debating so caller thank you very much for pointing that out through beyond the tape to the
49:23decision makers who are listening to that because a very significant point in terms of how we deal
49:26with that and i've heard those issues numerous times in terms of where firearms are taken and there's
49:31a long drawn out process before a decision is made whether to return the firearm or not so very
49:36significant matter but thank you we have another caller on the line hello good evening
49:40pleasant good evening mr susband welcome back pleasant good evening officer ali good evening
49:47mom beyond the tip family you know who i am i would like to speak to you on here
49:53off here after mr ali it may sound you know what i should say i can't find a word for it as yet
50:00but i i felt sorry for the young lady that who wanted to join the police service and she do
50:08use fake documents i was asking on her behalf that if you know that you all could give her a chance
50:15i know this honesty is not the right thing but if you all could give her stern warning and and you
50:22know give her a chance please so that you know she could get in the service service because she wants
50:29to serve the tunidad and tobago police service so if you all could you know you know talk to her and you
50:36know don't give her no police rep um you know duty record and you know talk to her stern and i'll
50:43appreciate it much i pray for her and i bring that whatever situation she in that the lord touch her heart
50:49and who is in the doing the investigation that they touch their heart and it is well thank you you
50:56uh guys thank you thank you very much caller um you know that's a very very strong request um
51:05in reference to the alleged conduct of the applicant and um you know where i sit i want to be very
51:13responsible how i respond to you but don't feel that i i have not understood the position that you have
51:19taken i fully understand the position that you have taken but you know i want to reserve in terms of
51:25responding to it um for many different reasons but um you know whitney i will emphasize among
51:32the listening public that you know when you are looking for a job um whether it be and this in
51:37this case the police service um whatever you're doing you know let us try to ensure that we operate
51:43properly and if you don't have the requirements then you can write the employers and indicate your
51:52position that listen i have an interest i have a passion for this maybe i may be lacking here there
51:57and perhaps who knows maybe there may just be an opportunity for you to still be considered and
52:01probably given an opportunity to complete what you are doing but to say that you are looking to you
52:05know to deceive you know it's a very very strong position and it's a it's an act of crime yes
52:10criminality so but i understand i understand your plea and um you know i hope that good sense prevail
52:16but you know for various reasons i do not want to advance a position um but thank you very much for
52:21your submissions and being part of the program i hope it's a learning lesson for that young lady as
52:25well and others we have another call on the line let's take that call hello good evening
52:29hi good evening good evening i'm brittany and director good evening sir okay i just um wanted to express my
52:38thanks thanks for the whole study program including corporate life as a matter i had a call in there and
52:46if it was handled and everything turned out well i can't say what it is but that um that's my um thing
52:56the other thing i'm i was wondering and sergeant ali may answer this um um director um do you all have a
53:06department within the police officers that goes out and do surprise audits at all the uh police stations
53:19in the context of punctuality um report taken um looking at matters that were reported and the date
53:29action taken and it's before the court to know whether or not things are being done expeditiously because
53:40i want to believe there are certain areas where productivity is very low and we need to look at that
53:48area and do some kind of check surprise checks throughout trinidad and the people t-shirts
53:57i i wait to hear your response
54:03well caller thank you very much for your your gratitude um gratitude for um your problems um may
54:10have been resolved and i'm happy to be you know a part of it um and i always you know give the
54:15undertaking the members of the public once you're calling with an issue i'm going to give my best
54:19to try and assist and resolve any matter that second issue that you have raised we have gone smack
54:24with me in relation to effective supervision and management in the police service yes and i want
54:29to say to you that while you have spoken about whether there's a unit let me see on public record
54:34i'm sure the commissioner will be happy for me re-emphasizing this point not only to the members of
54:38the public but the all ranks on file at the very senior ranks we have the deputy commissioners here
54:45the assistant commissioners senior superintendents superintendents first division inspectors all these
54:51ranks have a responsibility as traveling officers to visit various stations so there is already a
54:58built-in process the question that one may ask is whether in fact whether it's been done and done
55:04any way that you know the caller is asking for to increase efficiency and effectiveness to monitor
55:09whether in fact the the police service is operating properly so again a very excellent point that you
55:14have made in terms of ensuring that there's proper case management proper tracking of reports good
55:19customer service and most importantly you spoke about punctuality that's also whether persons are
55:24reporting for duty yes so you know i'm happy that you have raised that issue and i'm certain that the
55:29decision makers are listening to you if it's not happening because what happens with your last but
55:34not least you have like an inspector visit book you have a first division officer visit book you have
55:38an ex executive officer visit book so those books should be properly written up reflecting what inspection
55:43was done so i arrived i met whitney on on duty yes what whitney was doing who was there what are the reports
55:50so thank you very much for raising the issue we have a final call hello good evening hello good evening good
55:55evening okay good evening with me good evening director good evening sir madam please ma'am oh my apology sorry
56:05okay director here's my question i would like you to explain to me and i suppose the other viewers and
56:12listeners exactly what is the difference between evidence information and intelligence i'll listen of it
56:20thank you very much in advance yeah yes brilliant question you know you have yeah you know you have
56:24placed me back in the hewitt law school um or even in the the ttps and a very a very good question
56:31because a lot of people seem to be confusing it as well right um information um whitney intelligence and
56:38evidence three different terms let me look at information and intelligence first someone indicates to you
56:45in simple terms um that whitney is wearing a nice beautiful red dress that's information i haven't seen whitney
56:51right but if i see a pity that presents oh so this is whitney i recognize with any red dress you have
56:58now processed the information where it's not of an intelligence nature or in this case we may even say
57:04evidence because i'm actually seeing what confirmation of the red she's in fact wearing the red dress right
57:09so i just use that as a very simple example so information is processed to bring it to a level of
57:16intelligence and in the intelligence where we use different classifications we have like a15 b25
57:23different classifications in terms of how the information is processed evidence is something that
57:29can prove or disprove a fact that requires proof and evidence is is um information that can be placed
57:36before a court of law yeah so that basically in simplicity the difference with information intelligence
57:41on evidence and evidence and i want to grow evidence is factors that can be placed before a court
57:48to prove or disprove a fact that requires proof which is very important so i hope that helped the lady
57:53as well including myself yes it was very informative understanding the difference between intelligence
57:59information and evidence all right mr ali as usual you'd like to thank you for being here with all the
58:04information that you give us on each and every wednesday and we'll be back again with more info to give
58:09to tnt thank you for viewing and of course everyone across the globe until tomorrow we'll be back same time
58:15same place until next time god bless
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