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John invites Kevin and Barbara Sisti to discuss troubling connections between the Great Communion Revival and Manifested Sons of God theology. Kevin and Barbara describe their personal encounter with Dean Briggs, who privately affirmed belief in William Branham’s teachings on manifested sonship, despite his public affiliation with IHOP. They highlight disturbing theological undercurrents in the Bethel-initiated Communion Revival, including mystical Catholic influences, dominionist language, and the revival’s stated goal to “invoke presence”—a phrase Lou Engel used without mentioning Jesus. The Sistis express concern that the event, culminating in Washington, D.C., is a covert effort to activate Manifested Sons theology under the guise of unity, communion, and revival.
The dialogue shifts to historical roots, tracing Manifested Sons doctrine through Latter Rain, British Israelism, and Christian Identity movements. John draws parallels to his upbringing in Branhamism, where bloodline purity, communion rituals, and secret elitism were doctrinal staples. The group explores how this elitist theology has resurfaced in NAR circles, often stripped of overt racism but retaining the hierarchical and apocalyptic framework. They warn of the political implications, such as Seven Mountain Dominionism and rhetoric of sacred purge, civil war, and weaponized eschatology. The episode closes with a call for biblical literacy and discernment, urging believers to flee deceptive teachings and return to Scripture as the sole standard of truth.
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Guests Kevin and Barbara share their IHOP background
03:10 Encounter with Dean Briggs and concerns over militant theology
04:23 The Great Communion Revival at Bethel and D.C. event
06:13 Dominionism, Seven Mountains, and “Christian jihad” language
10:03 Unity, purge, and the idea of incarnating Christ
12:08 The political cult roots of Manifested Sons of God
15:00 Racism, bloodlines, and Branham’s serpent seed connection
17:59 Mysticism, transubstantiation, and invoking presence
19:51 Communion as mysticism and dangers for youth
21:04 How Branhamism used communion as a showdown
23:42 Racist theology hidden in serpent seed doctrine
29:04 Portal language, gnostic overlaps, and elite selection
33:21 Global missions, unity, and infiltration of MSoG ideas
34:25 Twisting Bible verses to build indoctrination grids
47:01 Gaslighting and new frameworks for interpretation
49:02 Illiteracy, elitism, and the need for biblical literacy
51:05 History repeating: Catholic parallels and Spanish Inquisition
53:32 Dominionism, latter rain, and modern reformation language
56:39 Warnings about righteous revolution and political ambitions
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Keven & Barbara's Blog & Channel:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@pellegrinowalk
Blog: https://www.pellegrinowalk.com/
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Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazo
The dialogue shifts to historical roots, tracing Manifested Sons doctrine through Latter Rain, British Israelism, and Christian Identity movements. John draws parallels to his upbringing in Branhamism, where bloodline purity, communion rituals, and secret elitism were doctrinal staples. The group explores how this elitist theology has resurfaced in NAR circles, often stripped of overt racism but retaining the hierarchical and apocalyptic framework. They warn of the political implications, such as Seven Mountain Dominionism and rhetoric of sacred purge, civil war, and weaponized eschatology. The episode closes with a call for biblical literacy and discernment, urging believers to flee deceptive teachings and return to Scripture as the sole standard of truth.
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Guests Kevin and Barbara share their IHOP background
03:10 Encounter with Dean Briggs and concerns over militant theology
04:23 The Great Communion Revival at Bethel and D.C. event
06:13 Dominionism, Seven Mountains, and “Christian jihad” language
10:03 Unity, purge, and the idea of incarnating Christ
12:08 The political cult roots of Manifested Sons of God
15:00 Racism, bloodlines, and Branham’s serpent seed connection
17:59 Mysticism, transubstantiation, and invoking presence
19:51 Communion as mysticism and dangers for youth
21:04 How Branhamism used communion as a showdown
23:42 Racist theology hidden in serpent seed doctrine
29:04 Portal language, gnostic overlaps, and elite selection
33:21 Global missions, unity, and infiltration of MSoG ideas
34:25 Twisting Bible verses to build indoctrination grids
47:01 Gaslighting and new frameworks for interpretation
49:02 Illiteracy, elitism, and the need for biblical literacy
51:05 History repeating: Catholic parallels and Spanish Inquisition
53:32 Dominionism, latter rain, and modern reformation language
56:39 Warnings about righteous revolution and political ambitions
______________________
Keven & Barbara's Blog & Channel:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@pellegrinowalk
Blog: https://www.pellegrinowalk.com/
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazo
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00:00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:00:41at william-branham.org, and with me I have my very special guests, Kevin and Barbara Sisti.
00:00:48Kevin, Barbara, it's good to have you back and to talk all things manifested, sons of God.
00:00:54And it's interesting, we were talking just a little bit before I hit record.
00:00:58We were discussing some of the current events with Lou Engel, and it's weird to me and unusual
00:01:05and exciting at the same time how multiple guests that I'm interviewing at the same time
00:01:10are talking about the same thing but from different angles.
00:01:14And so I'm one of these people that likes to take all the puzzle pieces and put them together.
00:01:19Well, I get a scattering of puzzle pieces when I talk to multiple people.
00:01:22So I'm very, very glad that you came to, you know, talk about this with me.
00:01:29Maybe for anybody who doesn't recognize who you are, and I'm certain there's very few at this point,
00:01:35could you take a moment, just tell everybody a little bit about yourself
00:01:39and get into talking about this weird manifested sons of God mess?
00:01:44Yeah, sure.
00:01:44Well, of course, my name is Kevin Sisti.
00:01:47This is my wife, Barbara, here.
00:01:49We have, we've gone through IHOP.
00:01:52We've both been involved in Christian missions in the past
00:01:56and went through the grief and the pain of IHOP
00:02:00and having to reevaluate ourselves and spent a lot of time in the desert doing that.
00:02:05And so we've come out of that with this new urgency to get into the word.
00:02:12And we've been in the word for a couple of years now,
00:02:14and it's just changed us and changed our outlook and what the Lord's doing
00:02:20and has given us a real strong sense of the deception that's out there.
00:02:28I'll let you introduce yourself, even though I introduced you already.
00:02:33Yeah, mostly I was doing a lot of work with global missions
00:02:37and disciple-making movements, and we've always been in the word.
00:02:43But I think what God did in the desert was strip back the different lenses
00:02:50that had been overlaid over the word through different movements,
00:02:54through different people, to just strip back some of the stuff
00:02:57that was competing with the word of God and not enhancing it.
00:03:01So, that's us.
00:03:04Absolutely.
00:03:05Yeah.
00:03:06So, what I wanted to talk about is the last time we were on a podcast with you, John,
00:03:14we were talking about a friend of ours named Dean Briggs
00:03:16and how he actually confessed to us after we approached him on many occasions
00:03:23trying to call him out for some militant language that he was kind of spouting.
00:03:31Our last meeting was in Colorado Springs.
00:03:35We called him out for this, and we found out, actually,
00:03:39that he taught and believed William Branham's manifested Sons of God theology.
00:03:46From Subtonats.
00:03:47From Subtonats, right.
00:03:49So, we were shocked.
00:03:52It caused me, both of us, to really look into this.
00:03:56Like, okay, if it's somebody like Dean Briggs who was a part of IHOP
00:04:01and kind of hiding that theology behind,
00:04:04even though IHOP had some tentacles in that area as well,
00:04:08if he's affected by it, if he's propagating it, who else is?
00:04:15And it led me on a kind of a path.
00:04:18And when I approached you about having this podcast,
00:04:23I said I had great concerns about the great communion revival
00:04:29that started at Bethel this year with Bill Johnson and those guys,
00:04:37Lou Engel, Chris Berglund, and Dean Briggs,
00:04:40and basically started over Passover weekend,
00:04:44it will culminate in an event in Washington, D.C.
00:04:48called Communion America, which happens in October.
00:04:53So, they're going from Passover to Feast of Tabernacles.
00:04:59And honestly, looking into it,
00:05:02I just see that they're trying to loose something.
00:05:08Lou Engel said at Bethel,
00:05:11we want to loose the great communion revival.
00:05:15I think there's something more to what they're saying.
00:05:19I believe it's manifested sons of God.
00:05:23I believe that they all teach it.
00:05:25And what I want to do is sound a warning for believers
00:05:29who are at all involved in this
00:05:32or somehow participating,
00:05:35somehow wanting to attend this event
00:05:37or any of the events along the way
00:05:39until the culmination in Washington.
00:05:43But the language is scary.
00:05:46We've even done some of our own podcasts now
00:05:49on what we call the gaslighting of Christianity.
00:05:52It's like this huge gaslight.
00:05:56And that's what we felt in the desert when we were there.
00:06:00We were like, okay,
00:06:00why is everybody talking about a great harvest
00:06:03and great communion revival
00:06:05and all these great things that are happening
00:06:08when the Bible seems to be talking about
00:06:10a great falling away?
00:06:13So, as we were looking at all this stuff,
00:06:16we really went on a trail to find out what was going on.
00:06:19And so, I knew that these guys,
00:06:23Lou Engel, Dean Briggs, Chris Berglund,
00:06:25were into dominion theology.
00:06:28What I didn't realize until we had the conversation with Dean
00:06:31was this is a manifested sons of God movement.
00:06:36And, you know, possibly some of your listeners
00:06:39don't know what that means if they're new.
00:06:42But it is scary.
00:06:46It is something that we really want to expose.
00:06:50It is some scary stuff.
00:06:52Like I said, so many different puzzle pieces come together.
00:06:55I was talking to Bob Scott recently.
00:06:58I don't know if you caught it,
00:06:59but he was talking about his early years
00:07:01with the manifested sons of God theology,
00:07:05the dominionist theology that was emerging.
00:07:08And, apparently, he got into it a bit with Mike Bickle.
00:07:11He said that we've seen through history
00:07:14what happens if religious leaders claim dominion
00:07:17and take over territories and start governing.
00:07:19But the idea that was being secretly pushed,
00:07:22apparently, was that the Seven Mountain Mandate,
00:07:26there would be, I guess,
00:07:27apostles ruling over each of the mountains.
00:07:30And, you know, Bob Scott had it correct.
00:07:35If you examine history, there's no way that this ever works out
00:07:38when you mix religious leaders as rulers
00:07:40over politics and domains, etc.
00:07:43So, it's scary stuff.
00:07:46I don't think the public is really aware
00:07:48whenever they're talking about, you know,
00:07:51it's a good thing when a politician is, you know,
00:07:55being prayed for and asking God for direction, etc.
00:07:58But whenever the person who is praying with him
00:08:01has an intention on taking dominion,
00:08:05taking control,
00:08:06bringing forth the manifested sons of God
00:08:09so that we can literally become violent
00:08:12and wipe out all of the enemies,
00:08:15it really turns into a mess
00:08:17that's quite eerily similar to jihad.
00:08:20Very much.
00:08:21And I think that's what I actually asked,
00:08:25Dean, one of the meetings we had
00:08:26before the last one,
00:08:27is just this is the thing that makes Jesus different
00:08:31from all the other gods out there,
00:08:33little G,
00:08:34is that he gives us a free choice.
00:08:37We're supposed to freely come,
00:08:39freely choose,
00:08:40and we can say no.
00:08:42We can say no to Jesus.
00:08:44Jesus came as a servant.
00:08:46There's consequences, obviously,
00:08:48for lots of reasons.
00:08:49But I think that was the thing that
00:08:53when I, you know,
00:08:54when we talked about the militant language,
00:08:57you know,
00:08:57and the seven mountain mandate,
00:09:00and the more you study it with Lance Wallnau,
00:09:02and someone,
00:09:02it's really, really horrible.
00:09:06It's not just having apostles
00:09:08on the top of each of the mountains.
00:09:10It's manipulating whoever is the influencer at the top,
00:09:14whether they're Christian or not.
00:09:15And I think that's a scary thing.
00:09:17And so that was the conversation we had.
00:09:19And I actually said,
00:09:20I said, you know,
00:09:20Christian jihad is not a thing.
00:09:23You know,
00:09:23this is not biblical.
00:09:26Jesus said to freely choose,
00:09:28and you can say no.
00:09:30And it's devastating when people say no,
00:09:32especially family members and friends.
00:09:35We've all experienced that.
00:09:37But at the same time,
00:09:38God is the one who saves lives.
00:09:40God is the one who changes hearts.
00:09:43It's up to him.
00:09:44So all we can do is preach the gospel.
00:09:47I think it's interesting what you said,
00:09:48too,
00:09:49John,
00:09:49because these are the folks that are going to pull the trigger eventually when we talk of purge.
00:09:57Right.
00:09:57But it's amazing because this movement is,
00:10:03they're bent on the idea of unity and coming together.
00:10:07And even with this,
00:10:09with communion,
00:10:10it's come to the table,
00:10:11come to the table.
00:10:12Let's all get together in love and unity.
00:10:16But yet that seems so opposed to the fact that they really believe that they're going to participate in the judgments that they're incarnating Jesus,
00:10:29so to speak.
00:10:30And they're going to participate in actually killing the ones that they deem to be the antichrist or antichrists, which I would assume would be the real Christians.
00:10:43So,
00:10:44yeah,
00:10:45this is the great communion revival.
00:10:47I've looked at a number of their teachings and to the point where it's,
00:10:53my head is about to explode.
00:10:55But the manifested sons of God theology,
00:11:01the idea of perfection,
00:11:04the idea of immortalization in this life that's coming out of this camp,
00:11:11the idea of being Christ-like,
00:11:15like not Christ in us,
00:11:17like we think with the Holy Spirit,
00:11:19but an actual replication of Christ.
00:11:23And there's this kind of language and teaching.
00:11:27And I'm watching this in literally videos that are out there that anybody can watch.
00:11:32And I'm in shock because I've seen a lot of the videos that are on YouTube that are correctly saying,
00:11:39hey,
00:11:39they're the NAR,
00:11:41you know,
00:11:41this movement is aberrant and theologically they're off and biblically they're off and all that.
00:11:49But I'm starting to go past that at the roots of this and understand what the real motivation is.
00:11:57And the real motivation is the thing that makes me want to blow the trumpet right now and sound the warning.
00:12:03Run,
00:12:04run from these teachers.
00:12:06Absolutely.
00:12:06You know,
00:12:07if you understand the history,
00:12:09this isn't really a theological issue.
00:12:11This is a political issue.
00:12:13And if you go back to the roots of where all of this began,
00:12:16it was a political cult disguised as a religious cult.
00:12:20What's really odd is there were,
00:12:23if you go back to history and I go through this in my book,
00:12:25there were different movements,
00:12:28some of which were domestic terrorism,
00:12:29that were all coming together to form an ideology and an agenda.
00:12:35And so when Christian identity was coming forward,
00:12:38the roots of it is what drove the manifested sons of God theology.
00:12:43And the problem was British Israelism had trained so many people of the notion that
00:12:49people of the Americas and of the UK,
00:12:52Great Britain,
00:12:53were descendants of the lost 10 tribes of Israel,
00:12:56and therefore the chosen ones,
00:12:58the spiritual seed.
00:13:00Everyone else is not.
00:13:02That framework that existed didn't really talk about the other side.
00:13:07It just talked about,
00:13:08we're the chosen ones.
00:13:09We have pride.
00:13:10You know,
00:13:10it was a way to,
00:13:12I guess,
00:13:13have self-esteem that you were this chosen seed of Abraham.
00:13:17But people began to think,
00:13:19okay,
00:13:19well,
00:13:19what about those that aren't chosen?
00:13:20And that's really the problem with all of these types of movements.
00:13:24What about the other people?
00:13:25It becomes an us versus them mentality.
00:13:28Well,
00:13:28in America,
00:13:29you had Christian identity growing,
00:13:31which was basically that British Israelism framework combined with racism.
00:13:38So they were starting to say that Catholics,
00:13:41Jews,
00:13:41and blacks were the other ones.
00:13:43We're the good guys.
00:13:44They're the other ones.
00:13:45And they were trying to,
00:13:47literally trying to drive them out.
00:13:49When you talk about a purge,
00:13:51it was to be a purge.
00:13:53So when Latter Rain began Sharon Orphanage,
00:13:56there were men there who wrote books of how blacks were made in quote,
00:14:02God's wisdom to serve whites.
00:14:04That's coming from the Sharon Orphanage where Latter Rain,
00:14:07where the revival began.
00:14:09So they're teaching this type of mentality,
00:14:11this type of theology.
00:14:14Well,
00:14:15the doctrine emerged,
00:14:16manifested sons of God,
00:14:17for anybody who isn't familiar.
00:14:19They believe that in the last days,
00:14:21we will become basically little gods.
00:14:24We were,
00:14:25we will become manifestations of God.
00:14:27And it's odd because over a period of time,
00:14:31they created a,
00:14:32like a pyramid scheme of this.
00:14:33Some people had a little manifestation.
00:14:35And if you're apostle,
00:14:36you have a great manifestation or a profit.
00:14:40You also had a great,
00:14:41so created this hierarchical pyramid scheme of authoritarian control that mixed
00:14:48with the idea that we are going to purge out everyone who is,
00:14:51not us eventually.
00:14:53So we need to be prepared for it.
00:14:55But while the movement is growing and spreading throughout the,
00:14:59you know,
00:15:00United States,
00:15:01Canada and abroad,
00:15:02they really didn't talk about the agenda behind the doctrine.
00:15:05They just talked about the doctrine.
00:15:07So everybody who joined into it was excited.
00:15:11Hey,
00:15:11I get to be a manifested son of God too.
00:15:13I will become just like God,
00:15:15which is eerily similar to what Satan said in the garden of Eden.
00:15:18If you really think about it.
00:15:20And this began to grow.
00:15:22Well,
00:15:22nobody's telling everybody who is joining into this,
00:15:26that we have an agenda.
00:15:28We are eventually going to purge out everyone who is not with us.
00:15:32And some people caught onto this.
00:15:36And eventually they began to think of,
00:15:37think through that purge scheme.
00:15:39Okay.
00:15:39When we purge,
00:15:40what's it going to be like,
00:15:41or we're going to use guns,
00:15:43weapons,
00:15:43how are we going to purge?
00:15:45So the idea of a sacred purge comes,
00:15:47the manifested sons of God comes.
00:15:50All of this together is mixed with,
00:15:52if you listen to our converging apostasy with,
00:15:55that Steve and I do,
00:15:57it's all mixed with the occult.
00:15:59So they think they're going to summon something,
00:16:01which is really,
00:16:03really odd.
00:16:04When you think about what's going on with Lou Engel right now,
00:16:06it's like,
00:16:06they're going to summon this thing that is going to bring forth the purge
00:16:10or bring forth the manifestation.
00:16:12You know,
00:16:12it's,
00:16:13it's interesting what you were talking about.
00:16:15I was going to talk about something else,
00:16:17but I,
00:16:17I did watch the,
00:16:18the great communion revival,
00:16:20um,
00:16:22um,
00:16:24YouTube podcast,
00:16:25whatever it was,
00:16:26it was like five and a half hours long.
00:16:28And,
00:16:28uh,
00:16:28so,
00:16:29so incredibly informative,
00:16:31but one of the things that,
00:16:34that had happened,
00:16:35and I,
00:16:35I had watched another podcast where,
00:16:37where you did John,
00:16:38where you're talking about the,
00:16:40the parousia or parousia.
00:16:43I'm not sure how you pronounce that in Greek,
00:16:44but they talk about presence a lot.
00:16:48And at the three 42 mark of the communion revival night at Bethel,
00:16:55you were,
00:16:55you were talking about what they're trying to do.
00:16:58Lou Engel said,
00:17:00we,
00:17:01we invoke you.
00:17:03We,
00:17:04we invoke your presence.
00:17:07He,
00:17:07he never mentioned Jesus,
00:17:10never mentioned Jesus at all.
00:17:11He just was.
00:17:13And it was,
00:17:14to me,
00:17:14it was,
00:17:15it was horrible when I looked at it,
00:17:16but,
00:17:17uh,
00:17:18but,
00:17:18and,
00:17:18and right before this,
00:17:20Dean Briggs was actually talking about communion.
00:17:24And I've been trying to understand,
00:17:26like,
00:17:26why,
00:17:27why is it that they're so interested in presenting this great communion revival?
00:17:33Why is it about communion?
00:17:34Why is it about the blood?
00:17:35Why is it about the body?
00:17:37And when you really think about,
00:17:39uh,
00:17:40their idea of what Christ in us means,
00:17:43they need this more Catholic,
00:17:46uh,
00:17:47mystical,
00:17:48real presence of Christ to actually incarnate.
00:17:52So what they want to do,
00:17:54it seems is to,
00:17:56to have this presence and eat,
00:17:58partake of the,
00:17:59the blood and the body of Jesus,
00:18:01which is the literal body and blood of Jesus.
00:18:05So we,
00:18:06Barb had,
00:18:07uh,
00:18:07edited Dean's book,
00:18:09the great communion revival.
00:18:10And if you,
00:18:10you actually read that book,
00:18:12which was,
00:18:13I think we did that,
00:18:14or you did that in 2023.
00:18:16But if you read that book,
00:18:18it's a book about dreams and it's a book about taking communion in a mystical sense.
00:18:25So they're definitely trying to invoke something to me.
00:18:31It's,
00:18:32it's not the real Jesus.
00:18:33This is,
00:18:34this is something else.
00:18:36And I think people are being duped.
00:18:38Like we've been duped in the past and especially don't want to see believers go to this and,
00:18:43um,
00:18:44and,
00:18:44and get involved in this when there's a double meaning to the words.
00:18:49This is all semantics.
00:18:51Um,
00:18:52and you know,
00:18:53I'll just,
00:18:54I'll,
00:18:54I'll let you.
00:18:55Well,
00:18:55and even,
00:18:56I think that the two pieces that are really appalling that are,
00:19:01are just,
00:19:02not biblical to a level that's,
00:19:07is that you have all these,
00:19:08a lot of it is youth who are going to be converging on the mall.
00:19:12They're supposed to be having the,
00:19:13the biggest communion table in history.
00:19:15They're going to build it on the last day.
00:19:18It's going to culminate.
00:19:19But,
00:19:20but when you listen to what they're talking about and,
00:19:23and even Dean's book,
00:19:24which has changed since I edited it,
00:19:26which is interesting,
00:19:27but,
00:19:27um,
00:19:28it is that mysticism,
00:19:31that Catholic it's,
00:19:33it's,
00:19:33you know,
00:19:33getting back to that is what they keep talking about getting back to.
00:19:36And,
00:19:37and if you look at manifest sons of God and you look at some of the slides on,
00:19:41on Dean's Facebook and some of the things,
00:19:43it's not that Jesus was the Christ.
00:19:46It's that Jesus had the Christ spirit.
00:19:48And so when they're,
00:19:50we're imbibing and we say it's Christ,
00:19:53it's not that Jesus was going to come back for the church.
00:19:56He's going to come back literally through the church.
00:19:59So,
00:20:00so this idea of purging and becomes really,
00:20:03really dangerous.
00:20:04When you couple that with the effect,
00:20:06the idea that the Bible is very clear about taking communion in a,
00:20:13in a non-holy way,
00:20:15you will never hear them talk about sin.
00:20:18You are not hearing them talk about asking for the forgiveness of sin and
00:20:22cleansing us from our sin,
00:20:24which is what communion is.
00:20:25It's,
00:20:26it's a memorial to what Jesus did on the cross to cleanse us from our sin.
00:20:31And,
00:20:32um,
00:20:32and it's a,
00:20:33and it's a celebration of,
00:20:35of that.
00:20:36Uh,
00:20:36it's,
00:20:36it's,
00:20:37they often say,
00:20:38bring,
00:20:38bring your shame,
00:20:39right?
00:20:40Bring your,
00:20:40your shame,
00:20:41bring your questions to the table.
00:20:43And shame is,
00:20:45is a consequence of,
00:20:47of sin.
00:20:48Sin is at the root of it.
00:20:50And so if we're just dealing with shame,
00:20:53we're not dealing with the very root of the problem,
00:20:55which we are sinners and we need a savior.
00:20:59You know,
00:20:59I don't think I've ever talked about any of this,
00:21:02but as I think through what you're saying and compare it to what I grew up
00:21:07with in Branham ism,
00:21:08it's very eerie and strange and scary all at the same time.
00:21:15So communion for us in the Branham tabernacle,
00:21:18it was done quite differently than everywhere else.
00:21:21And there's a reason why,
00:21:23if you understand where it all,
00:21:25where all of this ideology came from,
00:21:27Christian identity taught that there was a good seed and a bad seed from the
00:21:35garden of Eden.
00:21:35The serpent mated with Eve to produce the bad seed.
00:21:39And through that bloodline,
00:21:41it carried forth until the flood,
00:21:44which was the first great purge.
00:21:46So that's why they teach a second great purge.
00:21:49So the first great purge was when all of this was wiped out.
00:21:52However,
00:21:53they teach that one of Noah's children married a wife who had the bad seed in
00:22:00her.
00:22:01And so it survived past the flood and then developed into what we see today.
00:22:06So literally they're teaching that good is the good blood.
00:22:10Bad is the bad blood.
00:22:13William Branham would preach these sermons.
00:22:15How if he had one drop of the literal blood of Jesus Christ,
00:22:20and he would talk about how,
00:22:21how precious it would be.
00:22:24He would hold it.
00:22:25He would adore it.
00:22:26He was so focused on the blood because of the bloodlines.
00:22:30So then whenever the communion service would happen,
00:22:34it wasn't the thing that is described in the Bible where everybody's joining
00:22:41together.
00:22:41They're happy.
00:22:42There's a feast.
00:22:43It's literally communion with each other.
00:22:45You're coming to join in,
00:22:47think about Christ,
00:22:49become a better person,
00:22:50all of this stuff.
00:22:50In Branhamism,
00:22:52it was taught that communion was the showdown.
00:22:54And the way the showdown worked is if you had questions,
00:23:00then you were sinning because Branhamism taught that sin was unbelief.
00:23:06So if you came forward with questions and you drank it,
00:23:11you literally were drinking spiritual death.
00:23:13And if you came with sin in your life,
00:23:15which could stem from questions or whatever,
00:23:18you were drinking death unto yourself and you would literally die.
00:23:21And there were people during the communion service that would be so scared to walk up
00:23:26and get the little glass because they thought they were drinking actual death
00:23:31and they would die from this.
00:23:33I remember this pool of people.
00:23:34And then those who went forward felt like they were the elite ones.
00:23:38At the end of the communion service,
00:23:40my grandfather would stand in what looked very much like a throne kind of thing.
00:23:47It was really weird and odd.
00:23:49But he would stand there on this multi-tiered table with the wafers and the wine, etc.
00:23:56He put his two hands on it and say,
00:23:58Now this that remains shall be burned before the dawn of another day.
00:24:03And they were teaching that this had some sort of life in it
00:24:08and that life had to be wiped out so that nobody else got that life from it,
00:24:12which is odd if you think about it.
00:24:14But if you think about the communion as literal blood of Christ,
00:24:19which is kind of what they were,
00:24:22they didn't outright say it, but they were pushing you that direction.
00:24:25You were basically drinking that bloodline into you
00:24:29even if you didn't have the actual bloodline.
00:24:32So the communion was purifying your blood in the way that they taught it
00:24:38if you follow it out to its logical conclusion.
00:24:41Now, the ministers that existed whenever I was growing up,
00:24:45many of them were unaware of Christian identity.
00:24:48Many of them would consider themselves not to be racist
00:24:51even though they taught that the races had to remain pure
00:24:55or they too would be eternally damned.
00:24:58So there's racism and there's, I guess,
00:25:01not knowing that you are a racist, which was part of the problem.
00:25:04So it all comes all back to the bloodlines
00:25:07and the literal purge that is coming for those that don't have the pure bloodline.
00:25:12That was the roots of all of this.
00:25:14And what you're describing is just shocking to me
00:25:18that it continued past Branhamism.
00:25:20I guess it went underground because nobody talks about this until today for years from the 80s
00:25:26and from the literally from, I guess, from the 60s until today.
00:25:30Nobody's talking about it.
00:25:32Suddenly Branhamism reemerges in places like Bethel and IHOP
00:25:37and they're teaching the very, very core of what was pure racism,
00:25:43but they've taken the word race out of it
00:25:45and they've transitioned it into something weird and new and scary all at the same time.
00:25:52Yeah, that's exactly what they've done.
00:25:54And it's interesting.
00:25:56In Dean's book, he made an allusion to, you know,
00:26:01what if we got it wrong in the Reformation?
00:26:03And it's a book on dreams that just goes from one dream to the next.
00:26:08Well, what if we got it wrong in the Reformation?
00:26:10What if the riches and the wonder of real presence, transubstantiation, communion,
00:26:16more of a Catholic, what if it was lost in the transition?
00:26:21And it's funny, when I came to this understanding,
00:26:26and especially for the listeners, because, I mean, this has been,
00:26:31I think it's like you said, John, where you see the roots of these things
00:26:35and then you follow another root because it connects to this one
00:26:39and you're connecting dots along the way.
00:26:42That's how this all happened with me.
00:26:44And so to look at this movement that's right in front of us,
00:26:48like literally hidden in plain sight using beautiful worship
00:26:52and all the words to say, you know, hey, we're even going to preach the gospel.
00:26:57It might be a watered down gospel a little bit,
00:26:59but we're even going to preach it.
00:27:01But yet if it's just a little bit off, if it's got a little leaven in the lump,
00:27:06what does that do when you play the tape out?
00:27:09So I was reading a book, and it was a book on,
00:27:13it was just listing like 24 points on mysticism and how you can recognize it.
00:27:19And first couple, the cross of Christ is not the sole basis for redemption.
00:27:26The Holy Scriptures are not the complete single revelation of God to man.
00:27:31These are some of the points that he was getting to.
00:27:34I got to point number seven, and after reading Dean's book
00:27:37and watching some of the videos on the Great Communion Revival,
00:27:41I almost fell off my chair, because one of the points that he was talking about
00:27:46that has direct connection to mysticism is transubstantiation of the Eucharist
00:27:55becomes Christ in you.
00:27:58For example, symbols of the Holy Communion, namely the bread and the wine,
00:28:03are transformed into the literal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.
00:28:07When I read that, I thought, oh my goodness, that's what they're doing.
00:28:14They want the literal blood, the literal body of Jesus.
00:28:18They need that because they need to replicate Christ in this army of overcomers,
00:28:25a man-child company, whatever the terms may be.
00:28:29But I think what they want to do is call out an elite group through this movement
00:28:35to reveal the sons of God.
00:28:38Well, and I think that's the thing.
00:28:41One of the things that Kevin's been talking to me about is that they don't know who the elite are,
00:28:47and so they're gathering them all to a couple things.
00:28:52They're going to be opening up this portal.
00:28:54This sounds so bizarre.
00:28:56It just sounds like it's just, there's no way people could actually buy into this.
00:29:02But there's a portal thing.
00:29:05And when you look at mysticism and Gnosticism and the New Age movement,
00:29:09it's eerily, eerily similar.
00:29:12You can lay them over each other, and the language is the same.
00:29:16There's a point in one of the broadcasts that Dean says,
00:29:21I think it's Dean, gives a definition of what they're doing.
00:29:24And then if you read the definition of Gnosticism, it's literally,
00:29:27he's literally saying the same thing.
00:29:30And so what they're trying to do is, since they don't know who the seed is,
00:29:36they're going to gather everyone to take communion so that they can,
00:29:41they can, you describe it better, but it's the,
00:29:46they reference Mephibosheth and the lame.
00:29:48I have a hard time saying Mephibosheth.
00:29:51Mephibosheth.
00:29:51Yeah, so that I'm going to hear what you're saying.
00:29:53The lame heir of Saul, who David invited, found and invited to his table
00:29:59because he was bringing everyone, and he had been lame from birth.
00:30:03But basically that the people that are coming might be lame and might not know,
00:30:10but they're going to help identify.
00:30:12But it's more than that, Barb.
00:30:14It's the lame are, you know, okay, we've got the regular Bible believers,
00:30:19the regular people that love Jesus and share the gospel and do all that kind of stuff.
00:30:25But those are considered the lame.
00:30:29So they want to call the lame to a higher level and to be a part of this elite group
00:30:36where you could, you could move from being lame to being a manifested son,
00:30:43even though the Bible already tells us we're, we're sons.
00:30:47And then when you put that together with,
00:30:50it's just, it's alarming how all we were talking earlier, John, about the puzzle pieces.
00:30:56Because in a stunning movement of the Lord, I grew up in the hometown in Colorado
00:31:04where they are actually calling it a prototype city, Andrew Womack is,
00:31:10and Bill Johnson, but they are amassing weapons.
00:31:13I mean, there's some scary stuff that they talk about from the pulpit
00:31:17because we've gone a couple times to the service just to kind of hear what they're talking about.
00:31:21And I think it's fascinating just how all of these things are coming together
00:31:30and converging at the same time.
00:31:33You know, Lou Engel is not that far away.
00:31:35Down in Colorado Springs is probably about 25 miles from where Womack is.
00:31:39And he's housed at every home for Christ right now.
00:31:42And so it's just fascinating to me how many of the ministries that are involved,
00:31:48whether knowingly or unknowingly, I'm not entirely sure.
00:31:53I used to be a lot more clear about who was intentionally involved.
00:31:58And now it's alarming to me that when you say hidden in plain sight,
00:32:05I, you know, I think that was a conversation we had with Dean.
00:32:08Like, if this is the Bible, why are you hiding?
00:32:11Why are you not saying,
00:32:13if this, if manifest signs of God is in the Bible and we're your friends,
00:32:16why are you not, why are you not concerned that we're not embracing it?
00:32:20I mean, when I meet friends of mine that don't know the gospel, I preach.
00:32:23I tell them because I don't want them to be in hell.
00:32:26So if this is really of the Lord, according to your,
00:32:31yeah, I guess we weren't that great of friends because you, yeah.
00:32:36And I think the threads of this have gone into, it's crazy.
00:32:40The manifest signs of God theology or however they've brought it across from,
00:32:45from latter rain, the threads of it has, have gotten into so many things.
00:32:51So to determine to what level a person is,
00:32:55there's a spectrum out there of percentages.
00:32:58And, and it's just interesting to see this is in global missions,
00:33:02because anytime you, you gather people,
00:33:05you're getting together and, and they're wanting to get together in unity.
00:33:10And if we're getting together in unity,
00:33:12when somebody believes in, in something that is just completely evil,
00:33:18just don't know how we can do that.
00:33:20We can't.
00:33:21Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started
00:33:24or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism
00:33:27transitioned through the latter rain,
00:33:30charismatic and other fringe movements
00:33:32into the new apostolic reformation?
00:33:34You can learn this and more on William Branham Historical Research's website,
00:33:40william-branham.org.
00:33:42On the books page of the website,
00:33:44you can find the compiled research of John Collins,
00:33:47Charles Paisley, Stephen Montgomery,
00:33:50John McKinnon, and others,
00:33:51with links to the paper, audio, and digital versions of each book.
00:33:56You can also find resources and documentation
00:33:58on various people and topics related to those movements.
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00:34:20When I was growing up, there were many Bible passages
00:34:24that were either twisted or rewritten
00:34:26to mean something very similar to what the Bible said,
00:34:31but slightly different.
00:34:33And it was in that difference.
00:34:35If you could find that difference,
00:34:37you could understand how to unravel the whole thing.
00:34:41But the problem is most people in it
00:34:43read the Bible through what was being said by the minister.
00:34:47They didn't read the Bible for what it said without the minister.
00:34:51And one of the things that was taught,
00:34:55which now that I look back, it's just so odd,
00:34:58but it falls within the manifested sons of God framework.
00:35:01We were taught to believe that Mary was an incubator,
00:35:06not the mother of Jesus.
00:35:08So when Jesus said mother and declared that she was the mother,
00:35:13that was a passage that was strongly avoided in the movement
00:35:16because that defies what was being taught.
00:35:18Mary was not the mother of Jesus.
00:35:20She was nothing but an incubator.
00:35:22And that we were taught that within her womb,
00:35:26God manifested both the egg and the sperm
00:35:31to create some form of life that wasn't human,
00:35:36but yet came out of a human.
00:35:37That's the weirdness that we were being taught.
00:35:41And if you understand all of the theology underneath that,
00:35:44which I could take weeks to try to explain it,
00:35:48it all comes back down to the bloodline.
00:35:51Because there is this good and evil bloodline,
00:35:54the racists were openly declaring
00:35:56that the Jews and the blacks were the evil bloodline.
00:36:00So because Mary was a Jew,
00:36:03she can't have that bloodline,
00:36:04if you understand the theology.
00:36:06It has to be something that is birthed outside of this.
00:36:10Well, Branham was popular to the non-racists,
00:36:15teaching the racist agenda
00:36:16while working with the heads of racist organizations.
00:36:20He can't openly say the racist thing.
00:36:24But what he can do is sway the masses
00:36:27to believe the racist theology
00:36:29without the words black or Jew.
00:36:31So he brings forth the,
00:36:33he called it the serpent seed,
00:36:36but basically it's the Christian identity to seed doctrine.
00:36:39And he took out the words black or Jew,
00:36:41but he gave the historical lineage
00:36:44that all white supremacists believed
00:36:47developed the evil seed
00:36:51through the sons of Ham,
00:36:55I think it was.
00:36:57It was widely believed by the racists
00:36:59that the sons of Ham all had black flesh.
00:37:01And so the sons of Ham brought forth the evil seed.
00:37:04So he took out the words black,
00:37:06but he gave the same lineage.
00:37:08So anybody who's racist listening to him
00:37:09knows what he is saying.
00:37:12Anybody who's not,
00:37:13this is a hidden thing.
00:37:14This is a secret mystery.
00:37:16Well, then he starts to follow up
00:37:19with this doctrine on what he called hybriding.
00:37:22If you take a black person and a white person
00:37:25and they marry to produce what he called a mongrel,
00:37:29they create a hybrid person.
00:37:32So in that theology,
00:37:34he says that the hybrid person
00:37:36cannot enter the kingdom of God for 14 generations
00:37:39because the blood has mixed.
00:37:42The two seeds have mixed.
00:37:44Now, all of this was being taught without,
00:37:46I grew up,
00:37:47I did not know I was supposed to be a racist.
00:37:50Had no idea,
00:37:51but I believe that the two races could not,
00:37:54that any of the races could not mix.
00:37:56If you're white,
00:37:57you must stay white.
00:37:58Why is that?
00:37:59It's because of this racist ideology
00:38:01that they're withholding from the people.
00:38:03It's a secret thing.
00:38:05But in the elites of the cult,
00:38:08all of the ministers,
00:38:10some of the evangelists,
00:38:12they openly talked about this thing.
00:38:14And they would say things like,
00:38:16one of Branham's publicists says that,
00:38:19in a sermon,
00:38:20that Branham said,
00:38:22the serpent from the Garden of Eden
00:38:24was as black as the ace of spades,
00:38:26for example.
00:38:27So they're teaching the racist thing in secret,
00:38:30but the people aren't aware.
00:38:32What's really scary about what you're telling me is,
00:38:34it sounds as though many people
00:38:36who are in the upper echelons of the NAR
00:38:39are familiar with where this came from and why.
00:38:43And they're not saying it to the people,
00:38:45but they're teaching all of the agendas,
00:38:47all of the doctrines,
00:38:49and it all comes back to exactly
00:38:51what Branham was teaching.
00:38:53Yeah, John, it's amazing.
00:38:54When you talk of that,
00:38:56that's exactly,
00:38:57and we battle inside of ourselves,
00:38:59and this is kind of the gaslight situation.
00:39:02Like, are they deceived in doing this,
00:39:05or do they know exactly what they're doing?
00:39:09And it's interesting from my study
00:39:12of these three men,
00:39:14Lou Engel, Dean Briggs, and Chris Bergland,
00:39:17I've determined that
00:39:19this is according to Lou Engel.
00:39:22He mentioned that Chris Bergland
00:39:24has been dreaming for him for 40 years.
00:39:28He's the dreamer.
00:39:29He's the celestial man.
00:39:32He actually said he was leading the movement,
00:39:36and Lou Engel is just the mouthpiece.
00:39:38Well, you've got Dean Briggs in between,
00:39:42who is chief strategist for a number of ministries,
00:39:46and he's the strategist.
00:39:47So I'm sure that there's that type of thing going on
00:39:52where, again, deceived or being deceived,
00:39:57deceiving others where they're at.
00:40:00Personally, I think I agree with you.
00:40:03I think they know what they're doing.
00:40:05I think there's an agenda here.
00:40:07I think the agenda is completely evil.
00:40:11And again, with the upper echelon, like you said,
00:40:14knowing what is actually going on
00:40:16and having those conversations,
00:40:18but not telling the lame,
00:40:21the initiates,
00:40:23the people below,
00:40:25but then secretly calling out a group.
00:40:29And that's really what I'm talking about.
00:40:31I, please, brothers and sisters,
00:40:34stay away, move out of this movement,
00:40:38get into your Bible and separate.
00:40:41And I think that's the whole point.
00:40:43It feeds that narcissistic, elitist agenda,
00:40:49which is shocking because I can't tell you
00:40:53how many times in the Bible,
00:40:54God says he's no respecter of persons.
00:40:57So I find that fascinating.
00:40:59It's directly against scripture
00:41:02that there's this elite subgroup.
00:41:03Jesus came to serve.
00:41:06When Jesus comes again,
00:41:08he will take care of those
00:41:10and come in judgment,
00:41:12but he's a kind, good, perfect leader
00:41:15in holiness and goodness.
00:41:17So his judgment will be true
00:41:19and perfect and just.
00:41:21And so if you're suspending
00:41:23one attribute for others,
00:41:24that's not biblical
00:41:26and that's not Jesus.
00:41:28And so if a group of people
00:41:30are self-appointing themselves
00:41:32and calling themselves elite,
00:41:34and then it's very convenient
00:41:36that there's new revelation
00:41:38that nobody can verify,
00:41:41but it is outside the bounds of scripture.
00:41:43And that's why, you know,
00:41:44we talk about this all the time.
00:41:45And that's the thing my,
00:41:47the people that I disciple
00:41:48are so tired of hearing.
00:41:49Like read your Bible in its entirety,
00:41:53marinated it,
00:41:54not just read it once,
00:41:55check it off.
00:41:56This is, this is how we know
00:41:58what God sounds like.
00:41:59This is how we know
00:42:00what his voice is like.
00:42:02I think that was the thing
00:42:03that was so confusing at IHOPKC
00:42:04is so many people were getting words
00:42:07from the Lord and prophecy
00:42:09and moving in the prophetic.
00:42:10And it was, it was almost an idol.
00:42:12I would say it was to a lot of people.
00:42:14Um, but it was outside the bounds of scripture.
00:42:17So they would be talking about things.
00:42:19I had a lengthy conversation
00:42:21with somebody who was leaving her husband
00:42:23because she was sure
00:42:24that God was telling her to.
00:42:26And I'm like, okay, that's not biblical.
00:42:28So there's, you can't just say
00:42:31every taco that you have for lunch
00:42:33is the Lord speaking to you.
00:42:35And God does speak to his children
00:42:36and, and his sheep will know his voice,
00:42:39but his voice has to be in alignment
00:42:42with the, with the word of God
00:42:43that's already there.
00:42:44And if there's anything that he's talking
00:42:46and giving impressions for today,
00:42:49it, it will not be outside the bounds
00:42:51of his nature, his character,
00:42:53his truth.
00:42:55It can't be.
00:42:56Otherwise he's a liar.
00:42:58And, and Satan is the father of lies.
00:43:00So that's, that's the thing.
00:43:02And as far as if they're intentionally deceiving,
00:43:05I really had questions about that,
00:43:07but I am certain after our meeting
00:43:10in September of 2024 with Dean,
00:43:12I, I, I would be very, very stunned
00:43:15if there was an intentionality behind it.
00:43:18They're very smart.
00:43:19I think they know what they're doing.
00:43:21And Chris Berglin, you can watch him.
00:43:22He, he, on his website,
00:43:24and he talks about manifest sons of God.
00:43:26He is the only one
00:43:28that is actually calling it what it is
00:43:30and, and saying that.
00:43:31And using that, that as a preaching tool,
00:43:34which is stunning in light of everybody else
00:43:37that's hiding it.
00:43:38But I guess at least he's being honest.
00:43:42Problem that I have with all of it is this.
00:43:44Whenever you take a Bible verse
00:43:46and you twist it ever so slightly,
00:43:49where it looks, sounds, and feels like a Bible verse,
00:43:52but it's just slightly twisted.
00:43:54To the people who aren't familiar enough
00:43:57with the Bible to understand
00:43:58how it's twisted and why it's twisted,
00:44:00and accept it and believe it,
00:44:04they're more easily programmed.
00:44:06And what I mean by this is
00:44:08the way it worked in Branhamism
00:44:10is one passage would be slightly twisted,
00:44:12like the Garden of Eden example I gave.
00:44:16Well, if you twist that,
00:44:17and then suddenly there is a bad blood
00:44:20and a good blood in the world,
00:44:22well, every passage of Scripture
00:44:24that talks about the saved
00:44:26can't talk about the bad blood.
00:44:29So now you've just divided the world in half.
00:44:31There's only half the people
00:44:32that can even be saved.
00:44:34So passages like,
00:44:35For God so loved the world,
00:44:37it changes and alters that meaning,
00:44:39For God so loved this half of the world
00:44:41that has the good blood or the good seed.
00:44:44Every single verse that they do this,
00:44:46what they do is they follow up
00:44:47with doctrines overloading
00:44:50and sometimes twisting other verses,
00:44:52but you have to read those verses
00:44:54through the ones that were twisted originally.
00:44:58So what happened for me is
00:44:59whenever I left this thing,
00:45:00I had to read the Bible over and over
00:45:03to wipe all this out of my head
00:45:04because I would read a passage,
00:45:06but in my head,
00:45:07indoctrinated,
00:45:08was that passage that I was reading
00:45:10plus all of the building blocks
00:45:13of other Scriptures
00:45:14that had been twisted.
00:45:16So I could never understand
00:45:17what it was that I was reading.
00:45:19I was instead understanding
00:45:21the underlying agenda
00:45:22across all of the verses.
00:45:24And this became like a spaghetti mess of a,
00:45:28in my head,
00:45:29it was just so difficult to untangle that.
00:45:31I literally had to start from scratch,
00:45:33pretend that I knew nothing,
00:45:35read it for what it said,
00:45:37and then I was still doing it
00:45:38because it's all programmed.
00:45:40The fact that you're still doing this
00:45:42to people today,
00:45:43still programming them in the same way,
00:45:46it's really scary
00:45:47because when you do this to a brain,
00:45:49you're literally hijacking
00:45:50not only what the Bible says
00:45:54for a specific passage,
00:45:55but the overall plan of salvation.
00:45:57The plan of salvation
00:45:58is not the same for these people.
00:46:00You're either with us
00:46:02or you're against us.
00:46:03If you're outside of our agenda,
00:46:04whatever that agenda is,
00:46:06you're part of the evil seed.
00:46:08You're not one of the good guys.
00:46:09If you have questions,
00:46:11you're part of the evil seed
00:46:12because Satan is the bringer of confusion,
00:46:15the bringer of all doubts.
00:46:17So you're part of the evil seed.
00:46:19That's why when you see
00:46:20people discussing religion or politics
00:46:24on Facebook or any of the social medias,
00:46:26it turns into an immediate fight
00:46:28because it's that ideology.
00:46:30You're either with us
00:46:31or you're against us.
00:46:32You're either of the good seed
00:46:33or you're of the bad seed.
00:46:35Absolutely, John.
00:46:37I was going to jump in on this
00:46:39and this is really where we're coming from.
00:46:43You're talking about a situation
00:46:44where it's almost gaslighting.
00:46:47If we go back to Genesis 3.1
00:46:49where the serpent deceives Eve
00:46:52by saying,
00:46:53has God indeed said?
00:46:56Putting that question,
00:46:58questioning Eve
00:46:59to whether she actually heard God or not.
00:47:02This is what happens with this movement.
00:47:04And I'm talking about the NAR,
00:47:06Apostolic Prophetic Movement,
00:47:08the Great Communion Revival.
00:47:10But playing off of what you just said,
00:47:14the main point is
00:47:15deliberately altering the Bible
00:47:18by creating kind of a new framework
00:47:21from the very beginning.
00:47:22That's what they do with Dominion Theology
00:47:24and a new understanding.
00:47:27And then it becomes a grid
00:47:28through which all future interpretation
00:47:30is kind of seen through.
00:47:32Somebody said to us the other day,
00:47:34it's like a mashup in music
00:47:37where you take an original song
00:47:40but you overlay
00:47:41another instrumental track
00:47:43over top of it.
00:47:45And then when you're done,
00:47:46it becomes a new song.
00:47:49And that's essentially
00:47:50what we're saying here
00:47:51is that this is not the same song
00:47:54that they're singing.
00:47:55This is a different beat.
00:47:57This is a different song completely.
00:48:00And I don't want to sound
00:48:02the warning for that,
00:48:03but it's so, so true
00:48:05what you just said.
00:48:07Well, and it's very convenient
00:48:08that there's only a handful
00:48:09of super elite people
00:48:11that know all of the truth
00:48:12and all of the points.
00:48:14So if you don't know,
00:48:17it's okay, sweetie.
00:48:19Let's head pat.
00:48:20It's okay because we're the ones
00:48:21that will tell you
00:48:22what you need to know.
00:48:23And we don't expect you to know
00:48:25because you need us to know.
00:48:28And so it's very convenient
00:48:29because it makes it set up
00:48:32that, you know,
00:48:33it reminds me of some
00:48:34of the other false religions
00:48:37where one person knows the Bible
00:48:39and if I want to know it,
00:48:41I have to get it from this person.
00:48:44And I think that's one of the things,
00:48:47this biblical literacy,
00:48:50illiteracy,
00:48:50illiteracy is so high right now.
00:48:54And it's fascinating
00:48:55because in the West,
00:48:57specifically in the United States,
00:48:58we have so much access
00:49:00with not just having Bibles
00:49:03that you can go into a store
00:49:05and buy without it being illegal,
00:49:07but we have a literacy rate here
00:49:10that allows people
00:49:10to actually be able to read.
00:49:12I think in other parts of the country,
00:49:14the last statistic I knew worldwide
00:49:16was 74% of the world
00:49:19is not literate
00:49:20in their native language
00:49:21past the fourth grade level.
00:49:23That's 74%.
00:49:25So we have such an abundance.
00:49:30And, you know,
00:49:30when I read in my Bible
00:49:32to whom much is given,
00:49:33much is required,
00:49:35I think that I have access.
00:49:37That's a big deal to me.
00:49:39And so we had a conversation recently
00:49:41with someone who was like,
00:49:42well, you know,
00:49:42this isn't really our lane.
00:49:44I'm glad you guys are doing it.
00:49:45We believe what you're saying
00:49:46is the Lord,
00:49:48but, you know,
00:49:49that's not really ours.
00:49:51And I'm like,
00:49:51but whose is it?
00:49:52If we're not going to talk,
00:49:54this isn't my favorite thing.
00:49:56This isn't what I want to do
00:49:58early in the morning.
00:50:00I want to, you know,
00:50:01be outside with the Lord
00:50:03in nature and walking
00:50:04and talking to Him
00:50:05about His Word.
00:50:07But I also love Him enough
00:50:09to love His church
00:50:11and the true church.
00:50:13And we have a responsibility
00:50:15as people who love God
00:50:17and love our brothers and sisters
00:50:19to go,
00:50:19hey, you know what?
00:50:21Don't believe us.
00:50:22Don't believe me.
00:50:23Don't believe John.
00:50:24Don't believe Kevin.
00:50:25Read it yourself.
00:50:27Take your Bible.
00:50:28Stop listening to all the other voices,
00:50:30even ours,
00:50:31and just sit with the Lord
00:50:32because the Bible,
00:50:33it says,
00:50:34the Holy Spirit will teach you
00:50:35what He wants you to know.
00:50:37And it might take a minute
00:50:38because like you said,
00:50:38John,
00:50:39it's, you know,
00:50:39I call it the ball of yarn
00:50:40with big knots in it,
00:50:42but you,
00:50:42this spaghetti,
00:50:43same idea.
00:50:44There's a lot of stuff in there
00:50:46that is even my own perspective
00:50:49and my own ideas
00:50:50that are wrong.
00:50:52And God is bigger.
00:50:54He's big enough to teach us
00:50:56what He wants us to know.
00:50:57We've got to trust that.
00:50:58What's really odd
00:50:59is I hear you talking.
00:51:01Whenever you think about
00:51:02how the religion,
00:51:04the NAR version
00:51:05of the Christian religion
00:51:06has changed,
00:51:07it has changed in such a way
00:51:10that it is history repeating itself.
00:51:12The Protestant Church
00:51:13came out of the Catholic Church
00:51:14for many of these same reasons.
00:51:17And whenever Catholicism
00:51:18began to spread
00:51:19in the United States,
00:51:20you had organizations
00:51:22like the Klan,
00:51:23like Christian Identity,
00:51:24that were saying
00:51:25that literally
00:51:26the invasion of Rome
00:51:29in the United States
00:51:30was the coming apocalypse
00:51:32and they were trying
00:51:33to fight it.
00:51:34there were all of these
00:51:35movements.
00:51:36In fact,
00:51:37I just came across
00:51:38several new newspaper articles
00:51:40yesterday
00:51:41that I have to go through
00:51:42talking about
00:51:43the rise of Mussolini
00:51:45and how his ties
00:51:46to the Catholic Church
00:51:47would bring the end
00:51:48of the world.
00:51:49This was dominating
00:51:50the movement
00:51:51when Mussolini
00:51:51was in power.
00:51:53And yet,
00:51:54at the same time,
00:51:55everything that they stood
00:51:56against the Catholic Church
00:51:58for,
00:51:59they're now doing
00:52:00within the NAR,
00:52:01trying to limit
00:52:02who has access
00:52:03to the Bible,
00:52:03who has control
00:52:05of the doctrines,
00:52:06trying to set up
00:52:07the Apostles as Popes.
00:52:09The whole structure
00:52:10very eerily matches.
00:52:12And you think about
00:52:14things like
00:52:14the Spanish Inquisition
00:52:16where they're just
00:52:16coming in
00:52:17trying to force
00:52:17the religion on people.
00:52:19That's what the NAR
00:52:20is doing.
00:52:21This sacred purge,
00:52:22it's literally
00:52:23what we saw
00:52:24back in the,
00:52:26you know,
00:52:271600s, 1700s.
00:52:29Catholic Church
00:52:29was doing this
00:52:30with other nations.
00:52:33This is a horrific thing
00:52:34that is happening,
00:52:35but it's history
00:52:36repeating itself
00:52:37because people
00:52:38aren't familiar
00:52:38with the Bible
00:52:39and they're not
00:52:40familiar with the history.
00:52:41That's very true,
00:52:42John.
00:52:43It's interesting,
00:52:44too,
00:52:44because as you talk
00:52:44about Catholicism
00:52:46and the fact
00:52:47that the Popes
00:52:48were in control
00:52:49and the Church
00:52:50was married
00:52:51to the state,
00:52:52and even
00:52:52through the Reformation,
00:52:54one of the things
00:52:55that we apparently
00:52:56didn't learn
00:52:57was that that
00:52:58doesn't work
00:52:59because even
00:53:00in the Reformation
00:53:01we relied upon
00:53:02the state,
00:53:04even John Calvin
00:53:05in Geneva
00:53:07and some of the
00:53:08atrocities that
00:53:09happened there
00:53:10with,
00:53:11you know,
00:53:13with just
00:53:13burning people
00:53:15at the stake
00:53:16and killing people
00:53:18in the name
00:53:19of Jesus.
00:53:19again,
00:53:21the Protestants,
00:53:23you know,
00:53:23we got justification
00:53:24by faith,
00:53:25but we carried
00:53:26on some traditions
00:53:28that were
00:53:29pretty poor,
00:53:32and I think
00:53:32that's,
00:53:33it's like you said,
00:53:34it's happening today.
00:53:35Dominionism as a whole
00:53:37has been something
00:53:38that's been with us
00:53:39since,
00:53:40probably since
00:53:41Constantine,
00:53:42maybe a little bit
00:53:42before,
00:53:43and it's ebbed
00:53:44and flowed
00:53:45throughout the history
00:53:46of the Christian Church,
00:53:48but they're always
00:53:48being a remnant
00:53:50of believers,
00:53:52but it's come
00:53:54and gone
00:53:54and now
00:53:55it's reappeared
00:53:56and it's,
00:53:58it's the,
00:53:59the latter rain
00:54:00has,
00:54:01has exploded
00:54:02onto the,
00:54:04onto the current scene
00:54:05and it's really,
00:54:06really concerning us.
00:54:08We want to just,
00:54:09we want to make
00:54:10everybody aware
00:54:11to at least start
00:54:12looking into this
00:54:13and move away from it.
00:54:15And they're,
00:54:16and they know
00:54:17that,
00:54:18that latter rain,
00:54:20I think there's
00:54:21enough intellect
00:54:22that people are going,
00:54:23oh,
00:54:23okay,
00:54:23there's certain things
00:54:24we shouldn't be saying
00:54:25if we want to,
00:54:27you know,
00:54:27we shouldn't be saying
00:54:28them openly.
00:54:30I think that's the thing,
00:54:31but,
00:54:32you know,
00:54:32you look at
00:54:33some of this idea
00:54:35of the,
00:54:36the downlines
00:54:37and,
00:54:38you know,
00:54:38people like Chae On
00:54:40has 25,000 churches
00:54:42in his downline
00:54:43and they tied to him,
00:54:46his apostolic network,
00:54:48so that they can have access
00:54:49to his miracles
00:54:50and his wonders
00:54:52and signs.
00:54:53His prophetic.
00:54:54His prophetic.
00:54:55But,
00:54:55but what most people
00:54:56don't know
00:54:57is that Lou Engel
00:54:58is the prophet
00:54:58for Chae On.
00:55:00They're all kind of
00:55:01interconnected
00:55:02and Chae On's about
00:55:02to run for governor
00:55:03apparently of California,
00:55:05which is very fascinating.
00:55:06Very scary.
00:55:07And very scary.
00:55:08But there,
00:55:09but I think
00:55:11that's the thing
00:55:12is
00:55:13there's this,
00:55:16this anger
00:55:18and this,
00:55:19you know,
00:55:19we have to take
00:55:20everything over
00:55:21and I think
00:55:23the thing that to me
00:55:24is the most horrific
00:55:25is somebody
00:55:26who loves Jesus,
00:55:27the Jesus of the Bible,
00:55:29is when I hear people
00:55:31tell me
00:55:31that they're going to,
00:55:33you know,
00:55:33we have to take over
00:55:34all the spheres of society
00:55:35because we have to give
00:55:37Jesus the keys
00:55:38to his kingdom
00:55:38when he comes
00:55:39that we're going
00:55:40to take it over
00:55:41up into including weapons
00:55:43so that when Jesus returns,
00:55:46we're going to hand him
00:55:47the keys to his kingdom.
00:55:49And I just look at my Bible
00:55:50and say,
00:55:51okay,
00:55:51when did David get
00:55:52in the most trouble?
00:55:53Oh,
00:55:53when he didn't go to war
00:55:54when he was supposed to
00:55:55because he was the king.
00:55:56And Jesus is the king.
00:55:58He's coming back
00:55:59to establish his kingdom
00:56:01on earth.
00:56:02He came as a servant
00:56:03the first time
00:56:04and we're called
00:56:05to be likewise
00:56:06until he returns.
00:56:08So,
00:56:08there's not a new mandate
00:56:09for us.
00:56:10We're to stand
00:56:11in what God has done
00:56:13and love people well
00:56:15according to the gospel.
00:56:17And it's not about
00:56:19community transformation.
00:56:20It's about transforming parts
00:56:22and lives
00:56:23through the gospel
00:56:24unto transformation
00:56:27in other ways.
00:56:29Everything else,
00:56:30just community transformation,
00:56:32this,
00:56:32this,
00:56:32you know,
00:56:33Christianizing
00:56:33through the seven mountains,
00:56:35that's just morality.
00:56:37That's not the Bible.
00:56:39Yeah,
00:56:40let me just tag on to that.
00:56:42It's funny
00:56:43because you're talking
00:56:43about Teyon
00:56:44and these guys.
00:56:46The,
00:56:46in the great communion
00:56:48revival,
00:56:48actually,
00:56:49communion revival night
00:56:50at Bethel,
00:56:52in the very beginning
00:56:54at about the 22-minute mark,
00:56:56Chris Vallotton
00:56:57from Bethel
00:56:59had mentioned
00:57:00a righteous revolution
00:57:02in the next four years
00:57:04followed by
00:57:05a righteous reformation.
00:57:07Now,
00:57:07I'm not sure
00:57:08if he's talking
00:57:08about the political leader
00:57:09that's in office
00:57:11right now
00:57:11or if they're talking
00:57:12about some sort
00:57:13of crazy thing
00:57:14that they're actually
00:57:15trying to lose,
00:57:17which is really,
00:57:18really concerning.
00:57:19And I wanted to bring
00:57:20this up because
00:57:20I'm not sure
00:57:21what they're talking about,
00:57:23but I've heard
00:57:24the rhetoric
00:57:25about
00:57:25purge
00:57:27and civil war
00:57:28and things
00:57:28of this nature.
00:57:29So, you know,
00:57:31again,
00:57:32not to alarm
00:57:33everybody,
00:57:34but it is concerning
00:57:35when we hear
00:57:36this kind of language,
00:57:37this kind of militant language
00:57:38coming out of this group
00:57:40that this language
00:57:41never came from Jesus.
00:57:43He said,
00:57:44his kingdom
00:57:44is none of this world.
00:57:46And he went to the cross.
00:57:47And we're supposed
00:57:50to do the same.
00:57:51You're right.
00:57:52It is extremely scary.
00:57:54And if it has
00:57:54the same foundations
00:57:55as what I'm describing,
00:57:58which it appears to,
00:57:59it is actually
00:58:00a risk
00:58:01for the democracy.
00:58:02So,
00:58:02this is a bigger,
00:58:04much bigger deal
00:58:04than just religion.
00:58:06This is really,
00:58:07really bad.
00:58:08Thank you so much
00:58:08for doing this.
00:58:09Can you tell everybody
00:58:11where to find you
00:58:12on the internet?
00:58:12Yeah,
00:58:13you can find us.
00:58:15Man,
00:58:15we're so new,
00:58:16I don't even know how to.
00:58:17I type in
00:58:18Pellegrino Walk.
00:58:20We've got a YouTube channel
00:58:22and maybe we can
00:58:23include it
00:58:23in the description,
00:58:25John,
00:58:26where we talk about this
00:58:27and we're going to be
00:58:28expounding upon
00:58:29this idea
00:58:29of gaslighting
00:58:31of Christianity
00:58:32through the
00:58:32Men of the Great Communion
00:58:34Revival
00:58:34over the next
00:58:35probably three weeks
00:58:36to a month
00:58:37where we can really
00:58:38get into depth
00:58:39on some of the
00:58:40dominion teaching
00:58:41and manifest
00:58:41sons of God
00:58:42teaching
00:58:43that's just
00:58:44so incredibly scary.
00:58:46And teaching
00:58:46what the Bible
00:58:47actually says.
00:58:48Pointing people
00:58:49to the real
00:58:50Jesus.
00:58:51Yeah.
00:58:52The real Jesus.
00:58:52The real gospel
00:58:53in the Bible.
00:58:54Well, that's awesome.
00:58:55It's a good work
00:58:56that you're doing.
00:58:57Thank you so much
00:58:57for doing this
00:58:58with me today.
00:58:59Of course.
00:58:59Thank you for having us.
00:59:00Well, if you've enjoyed
00:59:01our show
00:59:01and you want more information,
00:59:02you can check us out
00:59:03on the web.
00:59:03You can find us
00:59:04at william-branham.org.
00:59:06For more about
00:59:07the dark side
00:59:07of the New Apostolic Reformation,
00:59:09you can read
00:59:10Weaponized Religion
00:59:10from Christian Identity
00:59:12to the NAR.
00:59:13Available on Amazon,
00:59:15Kindle,
00:59:15and Audible.
00:59:16Weaponized Religion
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