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The big talking point of this episode of Newstrack is the political controversy surrounding Leader of the Opposition Rahul Gandhi's allegations of widespread voter fraud in the recent Haryana Assembly elections, where the BJP secured a third term.
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00:01This is the NewsTrack Bihar Edition and I'm coming to you live from in front of the Bihar Assembly.
00:07Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi, today dropped the hydrogen bomb.
00:14He said that there has been massive voter fraud which has happened during the Haryana polls.
00:20He said that a Brazilian model has found her way to the Haryana voter list
00:26in which she is appearing 22 times and voting multiple times
00:31and that there is an overall vote fraud which happened in Haryana.
00:38The BJP, as expected, was quick to respond.
00:41They have dismissed these allegations of Rahul Gandhi,
00:44but the larger question is what does this vote-chory narrative do to Bihar polls
00:51ahead of the 121 seats which go to polls tomorrow?
00:56We'll ask the question to all the panellists who will be joining me shortly,
00:59but first up, the story.
01:07The hydrogen bomb has finally detonated.
01:10What Rahul Gandhi was promising for months was finally delivered today.
01:14Or at least, that's what the Congress claims.
01:18Intensifying his attack on the BJP and the Election Commission
01:22over the 2024 Haryana Assembly elections,
01:24he alleged massive voter fraud, claiming that 25 lakh votes,
01:29around 12.5% of the state's electorate,
01:32were fake and accused authorities of orchestrating a systemic manipulation
01:37to snatch a Congress victory.
01:3925 lakh, we have crystal clear proof that they're fake,
01:47that they either don't exist or they're duplicate
01:50or they're designed in a way for anybody to vote.
01:54Two crore total voters,
01:58vote-chory of 25 lakhs,
02:01possibly more, but confirmed by us of 25 lakhs,
02:04that means one in eight voters in Haryana
02:07are fake.
02:10He claimed Haryana has two crore voters,
02:13yet one in eight is fake.
02:15He alleged 5.21 lakh duplicate voter entries.
02:19Rahul also highlighted bizarre anomalies,
02:22including a Brazilian model's photograph
02:24appearing 22 times in 10 polling booths.
02:27She's a Brazilian model.
02:29She votes 22 times in Haryana
02:32and she votes in 10 different booths in Haryana.
02:35And she's got multiple names.
02:40Seema, Sweetie, Saraswati.
02:44Somebody fed this lady
02:48into the electoral list
02:52at a centralized level,
02:55not at the booth level.
02:58He also referenced a post-election video
03:01of Haryana Chief Minister Nayaab Singh Saini
03:03questioning his calm demeanor
03:05and claiming it hinted at a pre-arranged outcome.
03:10After the election,
03:12when everybody is saying
03:13that the Congress Party is sweeping the election,
03:17when every indicator is
03:18that the Congress Party is going to win,
03:20all the polls, all the exit polls are saying it,
03:23and this gentleman is very sure
03:24and is smiling
03:25that the BJP has some vivastha
03:29that is going to show itself.
03:31After all this,
03:34the end result was
03:35Congress lost the Haryana election
03:38by 22,000 votes.
03:42Gandhi Alesh,
03:43thousands of BJP workers
03:45were registered to vote
03:46in both Haryana and Uttar Pradesh
03:48and cited other irregularities
03:50like bulk voters
03:51as same addresses.
03:55Election commission sources, however,
03:57dismissed Gandhi's claims,
03:59noting zero appeals
04:00against the electoral rolls
04:01and only 22 petitions
04:03pending out of 90 assembly seats.
04:06They questioned
04:06how Gandhi could assert
04:08duplicate voters' favour
04:09with the BJP,
04:10suggesting some
04:11may have supported Congress.
04:14The poll body
04:14even dared Rahul Gandhi
04:16to furnish proof.
04:20The BJP hit back,
04:22calling Gandhi's
04:22so-called hydrogen bomb
04:24a fizzled claim,
04:25noting that exit polls
04:26can differ from results.
04:28He says,
04:58Rahul Gandhi's explosive claims have set the stage
05:04for another high-voltage political showdown.
05:09With Shivani Sharma in Delhi, Bureau Report, India Today.
05:28Mohin Sina, it's not all right for Rahul Gandhi's opposition, that is you all, to just dismiss it.
05:37He is providing some claims. He is backing them with some documents.
05:43It is only for the Election Commission to respond.
05:46Why is the BJP jumping to defend the Election Commission?
05:52It is for the Election Commission to respond on the technical details.
05:56We have responded on his intent because we have seen in the past that Rahul Gandhi is a master of fakery.
06:04And there are three or four points we have made today, which by no means gets into the technical aspects.
06:10The technical aspects will be clarified by the Election Commission.
06:13But point number one, you know, the timing today is a formal surrender of the Congress party before the Bihar elections.
06:21Number two, he said exit polls did not match with the final results.
06:24There are so many times exit polls has not matched with the final results, whether it was in 2004, Lok Sabha elections,
06:31or in 2024, Lok Sabha elections, when most of the pollsters had predicted 300 plus for the BJP.
06:39Now, number three, you know, what happens?
06:42I agree. I'm not relying on exit polls and opinion polls.
06:46Tell me about the Brazilian model.
06:49How is she part of the electoral list in Haryana?
06:53But not at one place, but at multiple places, 22 places.
06:57You know, first of all, like I mentioned, Rahul Gandhi is the master of fakery.
07:01So first of all, we need to figure, we need to ascertain whether she indeed is a Brazilian model,
07:06because we have seen in the past he has got away with a lot of things, including complete misinformation on Alain,
07:12which he had to himself fact check within three hours by retweeting details, by retweeting facts.
07:18So number one, we need to verify whether she indeed is a Brazilian model,
07:22because, you know, that could just be a hangover of Rahul Gandhi, you know,
07:25because he's been to South America, and we don't know what all he was into.
07:29Forget about the Brazilian model then.
07:31Okay, one moment. One moment, Tween.
07:33Don't mention that, but how is it that an individual, one woman,
07:38finds her place in multiple voter lists, is going with multiple lists, you know?
07:45I'm just giving some names.
07:46Sweetie, Seema, Saraswati, 22 times.
07:49How is that the question?
07:51Maria, that is precisely the reason why 67 lakh voters had to be deleted from Bihar rules.
07:58Who opposed it? The Congress Party.
08:00These problems have existed for a long time, which is what necessitated SIR.
08:05The point is, was Rahul Gandhi able to provide any evidence that the 22 times she voted,
08:11if at all it was for the BJP?
08:13There needs to be a direct correlation between a flaw which exists,
08:16between a glitch which exists, and the fact that that glitch is benefiting BJP,
08:21in which Rahul Gandhi has not been able to provide in the last several months.
08:25Okay, fine enough. Fine enough.
08:27Tween, we'll fix your video, because there seems to be some problem with your video,
08:31because of the network, perhaps.
08:32Let me bring in Salman Soz.
08:33All these press conferences may be all right.
08:37You are highlighting an issue.
08:39You are trying to create doubt in the minds of the voting public that the elections are not free and fair.
08:46But what is the Congress Party doing it to formalize it?
08:52Did you appeal before the Election Commission with all the anomalies that you are highlighting?
08:58Maria, first, let me just say that we should all be deeply concerned as citizens of this country
09:06that our democracy is actually under a vicious assault and attack by the BJP
09:12and by the Election Commission now, I'm sorry to say.
09:15I think in 2023, it was when the Supreme Court had mandated the selection process for the Election Commissioners.
09:24The BJP basically overrode that order and created a system which was basically chosen by the BJP.
09:33So, institution jury.
09:35That institution jury ultimately led to vote jury.
09:41I'm absolutely certain it happened in the looks of my elections.
09:44I think that we have evidence now on that too.
09:47It's happened in Maharashtra.
09:49We have shared that evidence with the people of the country.
09:52It's happened in Haryana, which we shared today.
09:54And by the way, to be honest with you, when I heard Rahulji speak today,
10:00I fell off my chair when I saw not just the Brazilian model,
10:05but also other things like that lady which had put 223 times.
10:11She appeared in two bowling boots.
10:12Not only that, he responded directly to the rubbish claims of the Election Commissioner
10:19who said that house number zero is given to people who don't have homes,
10:24they live on footpaths, etc.
10:27When Rahulji talked about this gentleman called Narendra in house number zero,
10:32we had to search for that house because nobody had bothered to search for that house.
10:37Coming to the question that you're posing.
10:41My question then is, no, no, all, yes, why a press conference?
10:46Why not take it up legally?
10:48Why not file an appeal before the Election Commission?
10:50Has that been done by the Congress Party?
10:52The Congress Party says the following, and I say it on national television.
10:59We have an unlawful chief minister of Haryana.
11:03We have an unlawful chief minister of Maharashtra.
11:06And we have an unlawful prime minister of India.
11:09And the unlawful prime minister of India has actually helped in the selection process of the election commissioners.
11:17When we brought something to the attention of the country and the election commission,
11:23what was the election commission's response?
11:25You have to give an affidavit, otherwise you're wrong and you're lying to the country.
11:30Has the election commission done any investigation?
11:34The leader of the opposition of this country is saying that he is bringing fraud at a massive scale to your attention.
11:43The leader of the opposition, Mr. Election Commissioner.
11:46Yes, yes, okay, so let me bring in, let me bring in the two, let me bring in the two analysts.
11:52Sajjan, you know, he's the leader of opposition, the leader of the Congress Party.
11:58He is making some allegations.
12:00The election commission is now responding through sources.
12:04My concern is that if the entire election process, if the voting rights of an individual
12:12is being surrounded by this cloud of suspicion that is being created by Rahul Gandhi,
12:19then it certainly raises concerns.
12:22Although, when the entire SIR exercise happened in Bihar and then the political parties reached the Supreme Court,
12:29then came the 12th document, after that there was zero appeals.
12:33So, my question then is, then what really is happening and how does this benefit any party politically?
12:40It's a zero-sum game.
12:46It appears to be a zero-sum game, but let's see, it's not just about the electoral records.
12:55You take any records for that matter, be it about the land record,
12:59be it about the records pertaining to other Aadhaar identities, etc.
13:04If you go into granular detail and analyze, you will find a lot of glitches, right?
13:10So, you will find a lot of land records in the name of ghosts, in the name of spirits,
13:17in the name of people who may not exist.
13:19And that is not something which is deliberate that has been glitches at the systemic level
13:24because of the sheer volume of the records.
13:28So, similarly, there is a possibility, there is a possibility that our current electoral records
13:34had certain glitches.
13:36222 times.
13:39222 times.
13:41These are elections which are very, very close.
13:45Yes, and this is also, this is one serious issue, but there is also the issue of cherry-picking.
13:50Is there more similar instances if yes?
13:53I think Congress Party would have disclosed them.
13:57The fact that they are stuck with one, I'm not dismissing that it's serious,
14:02but the point is, is it one of the exceptional cases which needs to be rectified
14:07and that demands that electoral rolls should be cleansed, should be cleaned,
14:12should be corrected and updated, something that SIR intends to do, right?
14:17So, the point is that, is it a matter of glitch on part of the EROs because of the sheer volumes,
14:26or is it a deliberate, centralized sabotage to the entire electoral machinery as Rahul Gandhi elising?
14:34These are two aspects.
14:35I think when you say, because there was also allegation that you extrapolate this number,
14:40then total 25 lakh people who are not from Haryana went to vote in Haryana,
14:46and therefore it's, you know, in Haryana 25 lakh people going in the election day,
14:51it's like a rally.
14:53And if they are not from the Haryana, you can easily identify.
14:56These are not something who can move without being identified and under the carpet.
15:00The point here is, yes, this is a serious matter for election commission,
15:04and that warrants that electoral roll discrepancy should be looked into seriously,
15:08but to intend to at least constitute a perception that wherein Gen Z should not have faith in
15:17democracy and elections.
15:19And wherein you also, it is coming in the backdrop of Rahul Gandhi also questioning
15:22that army is controlled by just 10% upper caste.
15:26The point is, Rahul Gandhi has an agenda.
15:29Gen Z should lose faith in the institutions of the country.
15:34You know, you cherry pick the glitches, and then Ali's grand conspiracy.
15:37This is something which is serious because...
15:39No, but, but, but, but, but, but Sajjan, Sajjan, Sajjan, the question is that the opposition's
15:46job is to question processes.
15:48That's what many would say is being done by the leader of opposition.
15:52Having said that, I think the larger question here is that the election commission has to
15:57respond.
15:57And if it is about, as Rahul Gandhi is saying, some kind of centralized election fraud, then
16:04that has to be responded.
16:06It cannot be just about some sources through which this response from the election commission
16:11is coming.
16:13That's what I want to ask Javed Ansari.
16:16Javed Ansari, Rahul Gandhi isn't really helping the election process.
16:21The question is that if the Congress has issues and he is highlighting some concerns of which
16:28he is saying is, is a case of fraud, then there has to be a solution to this, which can come
16:34only perhaps legally.
16:36Then why hasn't that happened?
16:38That is a question you must ask the election commission.
16:44They are the people who've been mandated by the constitution of India to hold a free and
16:51fair and transparent election.
16:54And I dare say at the moment, they failed miserably on both accounts.
16:59Every, when a leader of opposition, when the leader of the opposition raises a question,
17:06you brush it aside and say, you either file an affidavit in seven days or this and this
17:12will follow.
17:13Have they ever asked the government to ever file an affidavit?
17:17You must not only be doing the right thing, you must be seen to be doing the right thing.
17:22And again, I say the election commission has failed miserably on this account.
17:28What more can the opposition do apart from raising this?
17:31The reason why they, I understand the reason why they're not going to the courts.
17:35Because then this matter will become subjudice and your lips will be sealed and you can't
17:40raise this anymore.
17:42And this, my grandchild will be, by the time my grandchild goes up to vote, even this issue
17:48will not have been decided.
17:49Okay.
17:54Okay.
17:56Toheen, Sina.
17:58Yeah, Mariam, I have a simple question to the Congress party.
18:02What happens to the EVM hacking and the EVM tampering allegations?
18:05Because if you remember, throughout last year, they were so ferocious with the EVM hacking allegations.
18:18So are they admitting today that EVM case, what guarantee is there that six months down
18:23the line, they will not admit that even over here with the voter list, they were wrong.
18:29So I think this Congress party is on a mission, it is on a mission to completely denigrate
18:35the reputation of important institutions.
18:38Having said that, there is no reason why the election commission will not respond.
18:41But I think when Rahul Gandhi is so convinced about these allegations, he must go the extra
18:48mile and take it up in the Supreme Court if there is an iota of truth in it.
18:52If there is no truth in it, then obviously, you know, one day he will...
18:55Please respond.
18:55Yes, well, first of all, the Supreme Court is on one side, but we are now in the court.
19:04Let's have Toheen Sina and Salman Sos on the screen now, please.
19:07We are now in the court of the supremest of Supremes, and that is the people of the country.
19:13This democracy belongs to the people of the country.
19:16It does not belong to the Supreme Court or to the BJP or to the election commission or
19:20the Congress party.
19:21It belongs to the people of India.
19:22And the people of India deserve to know what is happening in this country.
19:26The people of India deserve to know what is happening to their democracy, to their rights.
19:30Because a country where democratic rights are not safe, then you will see the kind of
19:35inequality that is happening, is growing in India.
19:38So, Mr. Sajjan Kumar, for example, said, he said, and I want to respond to that, he said,
19:43why have you given only one or two examples?
19:46Are you cherry picking?
19:47We're not cherry picking, but we are just exemplifying.
19:50That's what an example is.
19:52We have so many cases that we have already collected when we can happily share with the
19:57election commission when they are serious about this issue.
20:01By the way, you talked about 25 lakh people moving to Haryana.
20:04That is not our allegation.
20:05We've never said that.
20:07We said there are 25 lakh plus fraudulent cases.
20:10They could be in a variety of ways.
20:12We have identified BJP workers going from Uttar Pradesh to Putnam Haryana.
20:17BJP workers that have been voting.
20:19Yes, please.
20:20Go ahead.
20:20Tuhin, respond.
20:21Can I just ask Salman, what happens?
20:26Where do you stand on the EVM hacking allegations?
20:29Because suddenly it seems you have realized that you were completely strong on that front.
20:34And in that case, what happens to the EVM hacking allegations now?
20:41The BJP has basically engineered unlawfulness in our democracy.
20:49We are not answerable to you.
20:51We will make sure that you are answerable to the people of India.
20:54The people of India, by the way, the people of India, let me finish.
20:59Don't interrupt.
20:59You listen calmly.
21:03You listen calmly because you asked me a question.
21:05You asked me a question.
21:06Listen calmly.
21:07The people of India were about to teach your leader, who became an unlawful prime minister,
21:14a lesson in Varanasi.
21:15He almost lost.
21:16We don't know what happened.
21:17Maybe we'll be investigating that too.
21:19So you people are no longer in a position to ask questions.
21:23Now you will be questioned by people everywhere.
21:27You will be questioned in every part of this country.
21:30Because you people have stolen elections in India.
21:34I am angry.
21:35Not as a congressperson.
21:37Honestly.
21:38By God, I am not angry as a congressperson.
21:41I am angry as a citizen of this country.
21:43You people should be ashamed.
21:45And you should be ashamed for representing BJP.
21:47Faria, I am a person who doesn't speak on rhetoric.
21:52I go only by facts.
21:53And if you go by facts, the only unlawful prime minister this country has seen is Indira Gandhi,
21:58whose election was stayed by the Allahabad High Court in 1975.
22:02And what did they do after that?
22:03Impose the emergency?
22:04And they have the gall and the audacity to call us, our prime minister, unlawful prime minister?
22:09Shame on this congress party.
22:10They say the people of India will decide.
22:12The people of India have been giving them a fitting answer for the last 11 years.
22:16And yet they remain unabashed.
22:18Today they are damaging the prospects of RJD with these stupid allegations.
22:22Even RJD does not subscribe to these allegations.
22:25Have you seen RJD leaders back these allegations?
22:27This is what they do to every alliance partner with their unfounded allegations.
22:34Can I just quickly respond?
22:36I have a question for Salman.
22:38Salman, Salman.
22:39Yes.
22:40Salman, I have a question for you.
22:42I have a question for you.
22:43You know, what is also evident is that instead of looking for real reasons for loss in an election,
22:52is the congress then looking for excuses?
22:55Because in Maharashtra, you say that there was vote chori instead of getting your house in order.
23:02Similar issues of infighting played out in Haryana.
23:07Don't you think that these are real issues which has to be addressed?
23:11Organizational challenges which congress must address rather than looking for these issues?
23:17While you talk about this, I am not taking that away.
23:19You have reasons.
23:20You can question it.
23:22But the real reason for your loss election after election is also about organization,
23:30the congress organization, which I am seeing missing on ground in Bihar.
23:34Look, Maria, I will say one thing.
23:37I mean, I am one of those relatively rare congress people who have actually given free expression.
23:42I have given free expression to my views on the organization, our weaknesses, anything.
23:46I have written about it.
23:47It is public.
23:48It is in the public domain.
23:49I am not afraid of speaking out.
23:51I speak to my party internally and externally freely.
23:55However, we are not talking just about organization.
24:00This is about, in Maharashtra's case, five million voters getting added after the Lok Sabha election.
24:08In an election where the BJP's performance under Prime Minister Modi was the worst in his three Lok Sabha elections.
24:16And immediately afterwards, in Maharashtra, let me give you also an example.
24:22Since you are talking about Maharashtra, look, look, look, BJP did get its act together in Maharashtra after the setback in the Lok Sabha polls.
24:34Because I was traveling in Maharashtra, the congress' organization was largely missing from the ground.
24:42That's what I am saying, Salman.
24:45What happened in one election cannot be an example for the next election.
24:50The BJP can get its house in order.
24:53Can ensure that the Mahila Yojana, the Mahila Yojana of Eknath Shinde was resonating with the woman on the ground.
25:03That's a true truth.
25:05I think what you have to accept is that you can have Yojanas and other things in Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra, Haryana, Bihar, and all these other places.
25:15The question is the following.
25:17And you have, you know, one has to kind of really put your thinking cap on and say that after a Lok Sabha election where the prime minister's victory margin came down by four lakh votes.
25:30In the same election where the home minister did so much better, they should, actually the BJP should be investigating what happened there.
25:35But immediately afterwards, they had stupendous victories in Maharashtra and in Haryana, etc.
25:45And we have actually uncovered fraud.
25:50And we have brought that fraud to the attention of the people of this country.
25:54So you are saying that the victory is ours because of fraud.
25:57I have just enough time for Javed Ansari and Sajjan Kumar.
26:01Javed Ansari, please go ahead.
26:03Javed Ansari, go ahead.
26:05Yes.
26:06What is the question, Maria?
26:08Javed Ansari.
26:09Political bickering aside, yes, the Election Commission must respond.
26:17But there are also organization challenges which the Congress Party faces.
26:22Its strategies could have gone wrong as well in Haryana and in Maharashtra.
26:27Why can't the party look within?
26:30Yeah, so these are two separate issues.
26:33These are two separate issues.
26:35One is you look, you do a post-mortem after every election and look things that you didn't do as well as you ought to have done and work with them.
26:46But does that foreclose the right to raise concerns, to raise questions, to highlight institutionalized malpractices?
26:57No, no, Javed Ansari, no.
26:59That's certainly not.
27:00But then, no, no, no, no, I agree if there are problems, then Rahul Gandhi, leader of opposition, must raise.
27:08But, yes.
27:38Just to start looking at organizational deficiencies.
27:41These are two different issues which need to be looked at separately.
27:46Okay, you see this as two different issues.
27:48Sajjan, Sajjan.
27:50Yes, Maria.
27:50And then I'll put back also to the two politicians for their final thoughts.
27:54Go ahead.
27:54Yes, first, if it's about allegation, there was a tampering in Maharashtra, then one has to see that as a pattern.
28:01If BJP did tampering in Maharashtra, why did it not do in Jharkhand, which happened simultaneously?
28:06This is one.
28:07Two, yes, there can be, as I said, glitches here and there.
28:12You do a survey of land records and you find horrendous discrepancies.
28:17But does it mean that you say that this is a grand conspiracy to deprive 90% from...
28:24Second, land records discrepancies.
28:26One moment, Sajjan.
28:28Land records discrepancies don't lead to such elections being upset.
28:35What the Congress says was a done deal.
28:39It feels, it witnesses an upset.
28:41That's not the case with land record discrepancies.
28:44No, Maria, if that is the case, then you vouch for the chicken, not for the eggs.
28:50Then why 2024 election was not tempered?
28:52Why Haryana was not tempered?
28:54The question is, there are discrepancies, right?
28:57The question is about the intentionality that you are attributing.
29:00You know, you fight your war with BJP.
29:02Do not use election commission, corporate India, army as the proxy.
29:07Because BJP can be your political rival.
29:10India and Indian institutions should not be.
29:13That's the point here.
29:14And that's very serious.
29:17Okay.
29:18Okay.
29:20Salman Sos, don't wage a war against institutions such as these because they are...
29:25They have an important responsibility.
29:27They have to ensure that the people who exercise their voting right should not have their doubt in their minds.
29:35This is the point being made by Sajjan there.
29:38But frankly, you know, I find such an argument ridiculous because we are not waging war against the institutions.
29:44The institutions have been taken over by the BJP.
29:47Everybody knows it.
29:48If you don't know it, maybe you're hiding somewhere.
29:50The fact of the matter is that the BJP selects the election commissioners of this country.
29:54The BJP does.
29:55Because the prime minister and the home minister are part of that selection committee.
29:59It's a three-member committee.
30:00They select the election commissioners of India.
30:03The BJP does.
30:04Their top leadership does.
30:05This is not an election commission of India.
30:09It's an election commission of BJP.
30:10Let's be honest about it.
30:12Then what does the election commission do?
30:14The election commission, when we bring charges of fraud, we bring allegations of fraud, what does it do?
30:19It doesn't let you do simple things.
30:23We say, let us see what happens outside voting booths.
30:27Because we have CCTV cameras, they say, no, women may feel bad about it.
30:32Meanwhile, you have CCTV cameras out there, you don't show us the recordings.
30:36We say, why don't you investigate places where there are hundreds of people living in one address?
30:41You say, oh, these are poor people.
30:42They're house number zero.
30:43And then we say that house number zero actually belongs to a person.
30:47You have not been doing your job.
30:50We go to the election commission with all sorts of issues.
30:53And they basically have only one answer.
30:56It's that affidavit.
30:57When BJP says something, they don't have affidavit.
31:00The fact of the matter is that the Supreme Court had said, had mandated, the process for selection of election commissioners.
31:12What did they be?
31:12A lot of points that have been made here.
31:15Thuyin Sinha, respond.
31:17Okay, Thuyin Sinha now, please.
31:18Let's give all the time to Thuyin.
31:20Thuyin, a lot of charge coming in here from Salpansos.
31:24Salpansos.
31:24First of all, the hypocrisy of this Congress party is unimaginable.
31:28Around the same time that Maharashtra elections were held, I was in Jharkhand.
31:32Jharkhand elections were also taking place.
31:34You know, there was every indication to believe that BJP is coming to power in Jharkhand.
31:38But we had the most miserable defeat in Jharkhand's history.
31:42You know, BJP suffered a miserable defeat.
31:45Did we raise a question ever?
31:47This Congress party needs to grow up.
31:50I am still challenging Congress party.
31:52If you think you have evidence, go to the Supreme Court.
31:55Set an example.
31:56You know, don't just keep coming up with these unfounded excuses which you will withdraw six months later and move on to the next issue.
32:05Like I gave the example of EVM hacking.
32:08Today they don't even talk about EVM hacking because they know that that allegation was absolutely farcical.
32:20Salman?
32:21Yes.
32:21Will you be moving on to some other issue after this?
32:24Well, whenever we see issues in the country, we will raise those issues.
32:29And this issue is not just a Congress party issue.
32:32This issue is not just an opposition issue.
32:35This issue is not Tuhin's issue or my issue or Sajjan's issue or Javed's issue.
32:39This is an issue that affects all of us.
32:41It affects the country.
32:42And we should take it seriously.
32:44The BJP has compromised our democracy.
32:46Has basically taken over our democracy.
32:48It is now our job to basically restore our democracy, restore our democracy to our country.
32:55Make sure that it remains in the columns of free democracies.
32:58They can do, they've done what they could, they've done their best.
33:01Narendra Modi is no longer the Narendra Modi of 2014, I admit it.
33:052014, 2019, he was very popular, I admit it.
33:08He's no longer that.
33:10He can't get them what they had.
33:12Amit Shah cannot deliver all these things.
33:14They can do all sorts of machinations now.
33:16That's what they can.
33:17They can, they're, they're, they're off.
33:19Let's, let's wrap this up.
33:20Let's wrap this up with, with 30 seconds now to, to Tuhin again.
33:26Tuhin, 30 seconds.
33:28You know, I mean, don't defend election commission.
33:32It's a constitutional body.
33:33Let them, let them come out with their defense.
33:36Election commission, if the political parties are raising question on the entire fairness
33:42of the election, it is bound by its constitutionality to respond, because the person raising the
33:50question is leader of opposition in the looks above India.
33:54No, but Maria, I started by saying that I'm not here to defend the election commission.
33:58The election commission has to respond and it will respond on the technical aspects.
34:02We are only criticizing Rahul Gandhi for his wild intent.
34:06Whether it is the judiciary, whether it is the election commission, he's habituated, he's
34:11addicted to attacking these institutions to hide his own failures.
34:15That's the important point over here.
34:17Thank you for joining us, Tuhin Sina, Sajjan Kumar, Salman Sos, and Javed Ansari.
34:30Away from politicians and the rhetoric, it's about elections and elections are about people.
34:37The real people power is when they'll go to cast their votes in polling booths tomorrow
34:44and on 11th.
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