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In this edition of Super 6, the focus is on Rahul Gandhi's press conference where he accused the Election Commission of India of colluding with the BJP to manipulate voter rolls and influence elections.
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00:00Hello and welcome. Good evening. You're watching Super 6 here on India Today. I'm Akshita Nantikopal.
00:04And this evening we're putting the focus on the big atom bomb that Rahul Gandhi has released.
00:10He's been speaking about it for the last many days.
00:13Today, in a detailed PowerPoint presentation, Rahul Gandhi has released evidence of what he calls is voter manipulation
00:20and therefore questioned the election commission.
00:23He's given specific examples of Karnataka, speaking of numbers in Maharashtra.
00:28And this time, in that PowerPoint presentation, he's given details of fake addresses, of fake voters as well.
00:35The election commission, meanwhile, responding to this, has asked Rahul Gandhi to sign a declaration.
00:41We're going to be running you through exactly what Rahul Gandhi's charge is here,
00:45the allegations against the election commission and how the EC has chosen to respond.
00:50That's coming up in this edition of Super 6. I'm Akshita Nantikopal. Here are the headlines first.
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03:07Let's get you all the details of exactly what Rahul Gandhi, leader of opposition,
03:25alleged in his detailed press conference today.
03:28He's been speaking about the evidence he has against the election commission.
03:32We've seen that evidence for the first time today.
03:35In a no-holds-barred attack on the poll body, Rahul Gandhi has alleged that the election commission
03:41is joining hands with the BJP, colluding with the BJP, to steal elections in the country.
03:48He's accused them of vote churi, of stealing votes.
03:51And he's said that this has happened in the Lok Sabha elections, it's happened in state elections.
03:56So he's given examples of this.
03:58He's particularly focused on one seat in Karnataka, the Lok Sabha seat of Bangalore Central.
04:03This was a seat in which Congress' Mansoor Ali Khan had lost out to BJP's PC Mohan
04:09by a margin of less than 3 percentage points.
04:12Essentially, the difference was about 30,000 votes.
04:16Now, it's over this that Rahul Gandhi has given particular examples as well,
04:21saying that there's clear evidence of fake voters also who had cast their vote in Mahadevpura.
04:27Let me break it down for you.
04:28If you missed that press conference, we'll get your highlights of that in just a bit.
04:32But let me first tell you exactly what the allegations are from Rahul Gandhi.
04:36He has made big statements here.
04:38He says that the elections in India are choreographed, suggesting that there's a collusion between the
04:44election commission and the BJP.
04:46He's also accused the election commission of destroying Indian democracy.
04:51He made these statements just before he kicked off his press conference.
04:54Besides that, Rahul Gandhi has also said that the election commission is colluding with the BJP
05:00to steal mandates, to steal elections.
05:03And he said that one of the indications of that is the fact that there seems to be
05:07no anti-incumbency for the BJP.
05:09He says BJP is safe from anti-incumbency.
05:11They're the only party that seems to be immune to anti-incumbency.
05:15Why is that?
05:16Not the most solid of defenses there from Rahul Gandhi.
05:19But besides that, he said we have solid proof against the election commission.
05:22What is that proof?
05:24Well, there were two states in particular that Rahul Gandhi referred to, Karnataka and Maharashtra.
05:29Let's begin with Maharashtra.
05:31Rahul Gandhi in that press conference has said about one crore new voters have been added
05:36in a matter of five months.
05:37This was before Maharashtra went to polls.
05:39He says that nothing adds up as far as the numbers go because he says there are more voters
05:43in Maharashtra than the population of the state.
05:47And then he's also questioned the voter turnout in Maharashtra, saying that it was inflated suddenly
05:51in the last one hour.
05:53He says after 5 p.m. suddenly the voter turnout, you know, moved up, swelled up.
05:59And so he says it was inflated in a matter of one hour.
06:02He also claims that the election commission tried to delete CCTV footage and that's more
06:06evidence against the poll panel.
06:08Remember, as far as Maharashtra goes, you've had statements from the election commission.
06:12But the allegations in Karnataka, many would say, are worrying.
06:16What Rahul Gandhi has put out on Mahadevpura, that's an assembly segment of the Bangalore
06:22central Lok Sabha seat.
06:24So what he's referring to is the 2024 elections.
06:26He's alleged that one lakh votes were stolen in Mahadevpura assembly segment.
06:32How is he coming to that conclusion?
06:34In that detailed presentation that Rahul Gandhi put out, he's given details of fake voters.
06:39He's given details of duplicate voting in Karnataka.
06:42And he's focused largely on just the Mahadevpura assembly segment, which falls in the Bangalore
06:48central Lok Sabha seat, which as I told you earlier, the Congress lost out to the BJP
06:53by just about 30,000 votes.
06:56Let's get your details now of exactly what Rahul Gandhi said.
06:59Take a look at this report.
07:12For days, the leader of the opposition kept threatening to drop his atom bomb against the
07:19election commission.
07:20Now, Rahul Gandhi seems to have delivered on his threat.
07:24The target remains the election commission of India.
07:30Rahul Gandhi came armed with documents, data and damning allegations, accusing the election
07:37commission of colluding with the BJP.
07:39His claims, that the elections were choreographed and that the ECI is actively destroying democracy.
07:48Claiming that he has 100% proof, the Congress leader alleged a deep-rooted collusion between
07:53the EC and the BJP to manipulate the electoral process.
07:57You're not in the business of destroying Indian democracy.
08:03You're in the business of protecting it.
08:07All this information now, this is evidence.
08:13This is a crime that is being committed against the Indian constitution, against the Indian flag.
08:19And then came the proof.
08:22Rahul flagged up a voter named Shakun Rani.
08:2570 years old, allegedly listed twice, using form 6 meant for new voters.
08:31He claimed that this has happened with over 33,000 people, all voting multiple times.
08:36Here is the list of duplicate voters.
08:43These are all the people, these are all the people who have voted multiple times in Karnataka.
08:55That's the names, that's their addresses, that's the polling booths where they registered.
09:01Rahul has now gone a step further, challenging the election commission to release CCTV footage as proof.
09:08He says that any failure to do so will only vindicate his claims.
09:14India Today also put a pointed question to Rahul, reminding him that he has made similar allegations during past elections.
09:21So where then does the EVM factor into all of this?
09:27Mr. Gandhi, you've been raising voter list manipulation first in Maharashtra,
09:30now in Karnataka, you've got figures also.
09:33I want to understand, where does electronic voting machines stand in the scheme of things?
09:38Are they also part of this?
09:39Look, I'm not going to, see, I'm not going to go into conjecture.
09:45There is something called voter addition.
09:48We have only shown voter addition.
09:51There is also something called voter subtraction.
09:54We know that it is almost of the same scale.
09:58But we haven't got the data to assess that, so we're not talking about it.
10:03There is also something called voter suppression.
10:06So here we are talking about something that we have bulletproof.
10:13Bulletproof proof.
10:15This is their data.
10:16But the election commission hit back fast, dismissing the allegations as baseless.
10:23They stated that electoral rolls have been shared with the Congress months in advance
10:26and that no formal complaint or appeal was filed at any stage.
10:32Asserting due process, the ECI also said that allegations must now be submitted under a signed oath
10:37if they are to be acted upon.
10:39The commission is also reminded that poll fraud must be challenged in court
10:43and not at press conferences.
10:47What I say to the people is my word.
10:51I'm saying it publicly to everybody.
10:55Take it as an oath.
10:57This is their data.
10:59And we are displaying their data.
11:01This is not our data.
11:02This is election commission data.
11:04Interestingly, they haven't denied the information.
11:08The BJP too has lashed out at Rahul Gandhi for undermining
11:12the very basis of electoral democracy.
11:15The claims made by Sri Rahul Gandhi and his team are completely bogus.
11:24They are targeting the election commission of India only to tarnish the image
11:30of the election commission of India.
11:33Every time, whenever it doesn't suit them,
11:38they start attacking the same institution.
11:40A political storm is brewing with India's democratic credibility now caught in the crossfire.
11:49Bureau Report, India Today.
11:50And the BJP is lashed out at Rahul Gandhi for his questions to the election commission.
12:06Sambit Patra now has questioned Rahul Gandhi and the Congress saying that there's been
12:11never any press conference done by the Congress on the states where they won an election.
12:16And so he's calling it selective outrage.
12:18Listen in to Sambit Patra.
12:20How does it say that there will be serious consequences?
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13:36So you had Rahul Gandhi holding that press conference today.
13:45Tomorrow, Rahul Gandhi will be in Bengaluru
13:48where he's all set to escalate the fight against the election commission
13:51holding a mega protest in the city of Bengaluru tomorrow.
13:54Rahul Gandhi's press conference today was focused largely on Karnataka
13:59so to take forward that allegation of voter roll manipulation in Karnataka
14:04is going to be in Bengaluru tomorrow to be a part of a massive Congress protest.
14:09I want to bring in Sagai for more details.
14:11So all this is joining us live from Bengaluru.
14:14Sagai, get us details of what's really planned tomorrow in Bengaluru.
14:22What you get to learn is Rahul Gandhi will be here tomorrow around 11, 11.30
14:26where he'll be heading towards Freedom Park
14:28where top leaders from India Bloc
14:31as well as Congress leaders including KC Venugopas, Randip Sochi Avala
14:35even AICC President Malik Arjun Karge
14:38along with Karnataka Chief Minister and Deputy Chief Minister
14:41will be taking part in this particular protest
14:43and thereafter they will be filing a complaint
14:46at Election Commission Office in Sheshadri Road
14:48and they will be also submitting all those documents today
14:52which was been exposed in the press conference
14:55and they will request the Election Commission to do the needful
14:58and in the documents he has said that there are a lot of voter manipulation
15:02where in one single house there are around 80 voters
15:05staying in different names and different surnames
15:07and he has said that this has all been done by people, local people over there
15:12and despite appraising these kind of issues
15:14the Election Commission has not addressed according to Rahul Gandhi
15:17but still they will continue their protest
15:21and they will try to give a complaint to the Election Commission here in Karnataka
15:24We'll track the latest updates that come in
15:26Thanks Sagai for joining us with those details
15:28Remember that the Karnataka Election Commission has responded to Rahul Gandhi
15:32issuing a declaration asking him to sign on it
15:35saying by tonight he has to go ahead and sign the declaration
15:38remains to be seen if Rahul Gandhi will actually do it
15:41The declaration essentially says that Rahul Gandhi is actually going ahead
15:44and levelling these allegations against the Election Commission
15:47I want to bring in on this broadcast
15:49Gopal Krishna Agarwal, National Spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party
15:53We also have Wing Commander Anuma Acharya, Spokesperson of the Congress
15:57Good evening, thank you both very much for your time and for joining us here on India today
16:01Mr Agarwal, I'd like to begin with you
16:03Every single time we've had a discussion, a debate on Rahul Gandhi's allegations
16:08against the Election Commission
16:09the BJP has always demanded proof, evidence
16:12Rahul Gandhi has put that out today Mr Agarwal
16:15The thing is that Rahul Gandhi is continuously undermining the democratic institutions
16:22who are responsible for running the democratic ecosystem in the country
16:29Who is responsible for fair and transparent election?
16:33It is the Election Commission
16:35And from where does it arrive its power?
16:38It is from the Constitution
16:39And who are the watchdogs over the Election Commission?
16:42The process of watch as a watchdog
16:45There is clear-cut process about the court as an oversight
16:50So the issue is only this
16:52If Rahul Gandhi has certain objection
16:55The Constitution provides the remedial process also
17:01The process is that he has to file his objections and proof to the Election Commission
17:06Public domain, what BJP, I cannot say
17:09If he is saying that there are 11,000 fake voters
17:12How do I know there are or not?
17:16It is to the Election Commission he has to file
17:18I cannot say that there is no fake vote
17:21That will be like the same statement which Rahul Gandhi is doing
17:24So the process is also there in the Constitution
17:29He has to file his objections with proof to the Election Commission
17:34Election Commission, he has been telling
17:37Election Commission is asking him
17:39He has not responded, gone to them
17:42But going to the public, okay then he should file it
17:45If he is not satisfied with the answers of the Election Commission
17:49He can go to the court
17:51He has not taken up any process which has been defined
17:55When the election happens, immediately if any candidate
17:58They have, BLA, Congress has at every place
18:01BLA agent, he has to object
18:04Party has to object about the election
18:07No, essentially your message is
18:09Why are they taking this up with the Election Commission?
18:12Anuma Acharya, would you like to respond?
18:14You have gone public with these allegations
18:15Rahul Gandhi has held a detailed press conference
18:18Including our presentation
18:20Why not hand over all of these details to the Election Commission
18:22They have even sought a declaration from him
18:25Good evening to you
18:27When a very system meant to protect our institution
18:31And votes become complicit in stealing it
18:35Then we are no longer in democracy
18:38We are in a danger
18:40And that is what we have been
18:42You have seen
18:44It's not that somebody is just a spokesperson says
18:47And you don't have the details
18:49How many times we have approached the Election Commission of India
18:52Every news channel knows that
18:54That we have been going to the Election Commission of India
18:57After Haryana we had gone
18:59We had gone for a conference
19:00After that we had been to the
19:02Our delegation has gone to the Election Commission of India
19:05After Maharashtra elections
19:07We have again gone to them
19:08But in result
19:09What did they do?
19:10They have said that
19:12The video footage will be deleted in 45 days
19:16This is what the outcome was
19:18If we give them the documents again
19:20They will do the same thing
19:22So don't ask me just because
19:24The BJP spokesperson is asking a question
19:27Please go back and see the details
19:29And you know this
19:30While you are doing such a debate
19:32You know this very well
19:34How many times we have done that?
19:36But now
19:37This is the Election Commission's data
19:39The data has not been brought out
19:41Just like that from somewhere
19:43That is the data
19:44Election Commission has given
19:46That's a photocopy proof
19:48Papers they have provided the data in
19:51It is not digitally in readable form
19:54So everything is so clear
19:57And this is not about winning or losing an election
20:01It is about whether the elections matter anymore or not
20:05This is what is happening
20:06So we have gone to the Election Commission of India
20:09Not once
20:10Not twice
20:11Mr. Agarwal
20:12The Congress here is right
20:13In the sense that
20:14You know they have gone to the Election Commission before
20:16Nothing's happened
20:17Rahul Gandhi has now put out the evidence
20:19For everyone to see
20:20And looking at what he said
20:22For instance about Karnataka Mr. Agarwal
20:24Should worry every political party
20:26When there are fake voters
20:27When there are duplicate voters
20:29When there are voters with fake addresses
20:31Fake first time voters
20:32Who are in the list
20:33So Akshita that's more important
20:37We are not saying that Rahul doesn't have proof or anything
20:42It is what we are saying is
20:44If he has proof
20:46He should go to the Election Commission
20:48But he has previously
20:50Mr. Agarwal that's exactly what Aamna Acharya has said
20:53Let me complete
20:55Let me complete
20:56I will listen to you
20:57Patiently
20:58If he says that he went to the Election Commission
21:01Election Commission did not respond to him
21:04They are saying that we have responded
21:06But still if the Election Commission
21:08He is not satisfied with the answers of the Election Commission
21:11He can go to the court
21:13He has gone to the court
21:14And if he says that Election Commission is compromised
21:18Parliament is compromised
21:19Parliament is compromised
21:20Courts are compromised
21:22Then he is saying this is a banana republic
21:25What he wants to say
21:27In this process only
21:28Ultimately
21:29It is through the Constitution
21:31He has gone to the public court
21:34Platforms also
21:36So the issue is how will you decide it
21:39Can we decide in this debate
21:41That Rahul Gandhi is correct
21:42And Election Commission is wrong
21:44Can we
21:45Are we empowered
21:46No I am merely Mr. Agarwal
21:48I am not looking
21:49I am not looking to deliver a judgment
21:50I am merely asking you
21:52With the evidence that Rahul Gandhi has put out
21:54We are not talking about deciding like the courts will
21:56I am only asking you
21:57Based on what Rahul Gandhi has put out
21:59These are serious charges
22:00The process is not being followed
22:02And he is trying to undermine the democracy
22:05He is not following the process
22:06That's what we are saying
22:08No are you suggesting Mr. Agarwal
22:10Are you suggesting Mr. Agarwal
22:11That Rahul Gandhi cannot go public with this
22:13That there is a problem if Rahul Gandhi comes out of the press conference
22:16He can go
22:17He has every right
22:18He can go
22:19In this democracy he has a right
22:21But the thing is
22:22What national interest
22:24Is he undermining democracy
22:26He is a peace interest
22:27He is destroying institutions
22:28The issue is not like
22:30It is not like that simple
22:32He is destroying the confidence
22:34In the democratic process of the country
22:37That is we are questioning
22:39Okay Anuma Acharya
22:41Anuma Acharya
22:42Anuma Acharya
22:43Anuma Acharya
22:44I have a straight question
22:45No let me finish
22:46Okay just hold on
22:47Mr. Agarwal I have given you a chance to speak
22:49Let Anuma Acharya come in now
22:5010 second more
22:51Not 10 second more
22:52Sir I will come back to you
22:54I will come back to you
22:55I will come back to you
22:56Let Anuma Acharya speak please
22:57I am asking when the data is denied
23:00When the footages are erased
23:02And when the ghost voters are flooding the rolls
23:06The voter rolls
23:08Then is it a free election
23:10It's a fixed one
23:12And that is what is happening
23:14Repeatedly the BJP spokesperson is talking about
23:17Have faith in the election commission
23:19What is the credentials of the election commission now
23:23The earlier election commission used to at least
23:26No he is suggesting Anuma Acharya
23:28He is suggesting you go to the court
23:30Sorry
23:31We have taken your argument on record
23:33Of what you said about the election commission
23:34He is saying why not go to the courts
23:37That's what
23:38Again the process is the punishment
23:40Because election after elections are happening
23:43And the Supreme Court or any other court
23:45Is not taking a decision
23:47So here we find that system is being hacked
23:50And the people of the country should know
23:52What is happening by election commission of India
23:55The election commission of India present
23:56Is the congress
23:58Is the congress suggesting the judiciary is compromised
24:03Is the congress suggesting the judiciary is compromised
24:07I am talking about the election commission is 100% compromised
24:12The system
24:13The system which actually brings out justice and the democracy
24:17That has been compromised
24:19And the delays in any
24:21Because there is no urgency
24:23Supreme Court puts it in a queue
24:25Okay this is the case will be heard on this day
24:28It has to be that much of urgency
24:30Because it's about democracy
24:31It's about somebody is trying to kill our democracy
24:34And the system is actually lost its total faith
24:37We have lost that faith in the system of election commission of India
24:41They do not hold any press conference
24:43Did you see any?
24:44Okay
24:45After this, did you see any?
24:46You reply me this
24:47Did you see any press conference being held by the election commission of India
24:50In last few months
24:52Ever since Gyanesh Kumar has come?
24:54So this is my question to you
24:56There have been election commission press conferences
24:59If you are asking whether there has been one after Mr. Rahul Gandhi's press conference today
25:03No, there hasn't
25:04There has however been a statement
25:05No, no, no
25:06The question will come up
25:07No, no, no
25:08Allow me
25:10Please hear my question
25:11Please hear my question
25:13Thank you
25:14Now there is a question that the Carnatica election commissioners put forward to Raul Gandhi
25:18Saying why not sign our declaration by tonight
25:21Congress party is known for its truth
25:25We are the people of Mahatma Gandhi
25:27We never, never, never speak lies
25:29Only Prime minister
25:31Modi is famous for this
25:32or this all, I mean, misinformation and lies.
25:37So we do not speak.
25:38And Rao Khandi is saying we are all recorded.
25:40It is all recorded.
25:41Why not we take the similar oath from the ruling party?
25:46Why are we forcing?
25:47And we have no problems.
25:49I don't think we have problems because we only talk truth.
25:52We speak only truth.
25:53But the election of Trump, India, is found wanting.
25:57They are not seen around.
25:58They do not want press conferences.
25:59Yes or no, will there be a signature on the declaration tonight, Anumacharya?
26:02Yes or no?
26:04Why should we come into their blunder?
26:06Because one thing was very clear.
26:08We can do that.
26:10But what is election commission's credibility?
26:13I don't find it credible.
26:15If it is fine, it is credible.
26:17Fair enough, fair enough, Anumacharya.
26:19Let's give a chance to Mr. Agrawal to respond.
26:20Go ahead, sir.
26:23What I want to just mention here is,
26:26at one point of time, they are saying, Congress and opposition,
26:29that the electoral rolls are complicated and they need to be verified.
26:36Complicated?
26:37Ghost voters?
26:39No, let me see.
26:41No, you have to speak what I said.
26:43Anumacharya, just hold on.
26:43Please, I'll give you a chance to respond.
26:45No, let me speak.
26:45I allowed you to.
26:46Let's not make this a shouting battle, please.
26:47Mr. Agrawal, go ahead.
26:49The thing is, election commission,
26:52they are saying that electoral lists are not proper.
26:55They have to be verified.
26:56Why they are opposing SIR then?
26:59So, if the election commission is compromised,
27:02court is compromised.
27:03So, what they want to say is the complete India's democracy has failed?
27:11That is their conclusion?
27:12Yes.
27:13So, India's democracy has failed?
27:16That is their conclusion?
27:18No, but Mr. Agrawal, surely there's a space in a healthy democracy like India
27:23to raise these questions.
27:24Surely, we're not going to suggest that if Rahul Gandhi questions the manner in which
27:27the EC is working, we're then going ahead and eroding faith in the democracy.
27:32No, we are saying raise questions, ask questions, but follow a due process of law.
27:39It is the basic principle of constitution that anybody, anyone, not only LOP, but a common man
27:49to the Prime Minister or to the President of India has to follow the rule of the law.
27:56That is their process has been to be, process of law has to be followed.
28:01Otherwise, you can make any negation.
28:03I can say anything about Rahul Gandhi, election commission is saying.
28:07But the reality is that if you say anything about Rahul Gandhi, Mr. Agrawal, Rahul Gandhi
28:11can drag you to court as well.
28:13So, that's the reality of it.
28:14In this case, the election commission hasn't responded to the serious allegations, at least
28:21as far as Karnataka goes.
28:23Anam Acharya, your response to the question that Mr. Agrawal has raised, that if the Congress
28:29is raising issues in the water roll, why are you against a revision, why are you against
28:33an SIR in Bihar?
28:35Okay, Akshita, I invite you to Bihar where I am sitting in Hajipur.
28:41This place is, this is Hajipur, this is Hajipur where I am sitting and talking to you.
28:47And I have gone to my assembly, Raja Pakar.
28:50I am here, observer, observer in that assembly.
28:53Now, there, I found two people who are alive, but their name has been deleted as dead.
29:00You can find out them in my timeline of Twitter as well as on Facebook.
29:04I have rigged up that issue.
29:05After that, I have seen in one booth, which is of 66, 43 voters, 100 voters' name have
29:11been deleted.
29:12And I found at least 27 of them were alive.
29:16So, if on one booth, 99 votes are being cut, how can I trust SIR?
29:22It is what I am doing.
29:23It's by my own eyes, my own hands.
29:26I am sitting here and telling you.
29:28So, this is the truth of SIR.
29:30And I have also seen, I have...
29:32Okay.
29:33Anumacharya, you're saying zero faith in the election commission, even in an SIR.
29:37So, what's the solution then?
29:39One second, one second.
29:39What is the solution here?
29:40Just let me add, let me add, that in SIR, we have found 22,000 voters being deleted as
29:49dead or transferred, which is not the case.
29:53We have found more than 10,000 people who are living here.
29:57So, SIR deliberately has cut and all the voters I have found, either they are Yadabs or they
30:04are Muslims or Sampaswans.
30:06So, why there is no Singh, there is no Dube, there is no Mishra, why these people are not
30:12there?
30:13Okay.
30:14Anumacharya, now what is the solution?
30:16You have no faith in the election commission.
30:20You have no faith in the judiciary.
30:22How do you plan to take this forward then?
30:24I did not say that.
30:26I asked you a specific question then.
30:28Why aren't you approaching the courts?
30:30I said, I have no faith in election commission and judiciary delays it.
30:35It is not given that kind of an importance in which a democracy and the democratic process
30:41should be given.
30:42It takes backseat.
30:43It takes second priority, third priority.
30:45So, it has to be given first priority, foremost priority by the Supreme Court of India or the
30:50judiciary.
30:51I do not say that I did not, I do not have faith.
30:54I do have faith.
30:55But it has to be prioritized.
30:57It has to be taken on first priority.
30:59That's what is my statement.
31:00Mr. Agarwal, your response to this, the Congress is suggesting that the election commission
31:05cannot be trusted, whether it's with an SIR or for these appeals, with the kind of proof
31:09that Rahul Gandhi is issued, which he maintains, is from data given by the election commission.
31:15What we have to understand here in the debate is that if the Congress is saying the electoral
31:21roles need, there are shortcomings in the electoral role, that's what the election commission is
31:28saying.
31:29Why they have identified 65 lakh voters in the Bihar, where they need more proof to identify
31:37whether they are dead, there are fake voters, duplicate voters, even where Tejasvi, Yadav can
31:44have two voter IDs, these are whatever logic Congress is giving that almost proves that
31:54we need electoral roles to be reached and authenticated, reached and this is not the first time.
32:01Mr. Agarwal, they are agreeing with you.
32:03They are agreeing that yes, there needs to be a change.
32:05So why they are objecting asa ya?
32:06There is no way to the election commission to do it.
32:09No, who will do it?
32:10The constitutional authority has been given to the, that means they don't believe the
32:18constitution.
32:19If the constitution has given this responsibility, authority to the election commission and there
32:25are checks and balances for if the election commission falls, then what you will do?
32:32Can we make a banana republic out of this?
32:36Whatever Rahul Gandhi says, he is the final word, he is the only word, he whatever he says, he has been
32:44proved at several times that he has been giving false allegations.
32:48No, but Mr. Agarwal, you know, when you talk about false allegations, you have accused Rahul
32:55Gandhi of leveling false allegations.
32:56He has now given you evidence.
32:57He has given you evidence.
32:58He has given you evidence.
32:59He has given you evidence.
33:00He has given you evidence.
33:01He has given you evidence.
33:02That's what we are asking.
33:03Okay.
33:04Anuma Acharya, your response.
33:05Follow the constitution which essentially means you have to go to the east.
33:09Three or four things.
33:10Three or four things.
33:11One, that Mr. Rahul Gandhi has shown all the evidences.
33:14He is not the final.
33:15So it is no more.
33:16We cannot accept Rahul Gandhi.
33:17Every time BJP talks about it without saying banana republic, banana republic, banana republic.
33:22But I think this idea of banana republic is there in their mind because he has been repeating
33:27this term again and again.
33:29One, that Rahul Gandhi has brought out.
33:31Five types of ways they have done to ruin it.
33:35First, there are the voters which are at wrong addresses, wrong names, wrong photos,
33:42without photos, and one voter, multiple voters in one single address of one room.
33:48Rahul Gandhi has proven everything.
33:50He has shown everything there.
33:52Now coming to SIR again.
33:54I am in Bihar.
33:55I have been watching.
33:56I have been finding.
33:57Now I am just coming back.
33:59For this debate, I have just returned.
34:02And I have found today itself 10 voters who are living, who are there, who are valid.
34:07But their name has been deleted.
34:09What has happened?
34:10On 25th July, whatever roles they have not uploaded, the BLOs failed to upload the DCLR.
34:18This is called, I think, the RO.
34:20She said, just delete all those names.
34:22We have one, Mrs. Deepika.
34:24She is the DCLR here.
34:26She told BLOs, if you have not completed all the uploading, then delete their names.
34:31Whenever we will give the list to the parties, they will upload it.
34:34See, look at this.
34:35How they have done it.
34:36Because the time was just one month.
34:38So they could not upload everybody.
34:40But in that also, they have gone selectively.
34:41No, Anah Acharya.
34:42Anah Acharya, you have made it clear repeatedly.
34:44You have made it clear repeatedly that there is zero faith in the election commission as far as the Congress goes.
34:49But I am giving you evidences also, no?
34:51Sure.
34:52Sure you have.
34:53Sure you have.
34:54Rahul Gandhi in that press conference where he has detailed out exactly what his charge is against the election commission.
34:59He has referred to it as an atom bomb.
35:01What next?
35:02What really is your demand?
35:03Are you suggesting that we dissolve the election commission?
35:06Why not?
35:08Who stops?
35:09I think the President of India should take cognizance to this.
35:13The Supreme Court takes cognizance to this automatically.
35:16They should take it so a motto.
35:18Why not?
35:19Because this is the entire election which has been rigged.
35:22This is not a legal government.
35:24After this proof has been brought out by Mr. Rahul Gandhi, they should go for a whole, I mean, across the board.
35:32All the seats.
35:33At least those 79 seats wherein we have found that elections have been rigged.
35:39Okay.
35:40So those 79 seats should be definitely taken and the President should take a call.
35:45Quickly, quickly, closing comments from Mr. Agarwal as well.
35:48Mr. Agarwal, looking at the details that Rahul Gandhi has put out in that over 60 minute press conference,
35:54it surely at least warrants a detailed statement from the election commission.
35:58They have sought a declaration, sure, but this press conference is in full public view,
36:04even for the election commission to see and respond to those allegations.
36:07The election commission will definitely respond.
36:10What I want to say is that the Congress has no faith in the election,
36:14the democratic institution of the country.
36:17Why democratic, democratic, democratic?
36:19This is no more a democracy.
36:21No more a democracy.
36:23Well, what I want to say is if Congress doesn't have faith in the democratic institution,
36:30we don't have faith in single word.
36:32We cannot say that the Rahul Gandhi is the final word.
36:35He is authority and everything.
36:37Whatever he says has to be accepted.
36:39He is the final word.
36:41This kind of attitude is utterly autocratic and Rahul Gandhi has faulted it on many occasions.
36:49He just elegies and just doesn't give proof of anything.
36:53Sir, he has given proof today.
36:55The Karnatak election has had such a long time.
36:58Mr. Agarwal, he has given numbers, details, presentation.
37:02The election commission has said that it is the court which can only nullify the election.
37:09We have seen it during the emergency.
37:11Why emergency was imposed?
37:13It was because Indira Gandhi's election was compromised.
37:16I have run out of time.
37:17I have run out of time.
37:18Mr. Agarwal and Anuma Acharya, thank you very much for your time for joining us here on India today.
37:23As this political battle heats up, mind you, as far as the election commission goes, there's been one statement from the Karnataka EC where they've saw details from Rahul Gandhi of his allegations about what's happened in the Mahadevpura Assembly segment.
37:35They've asked him to sign a declaration.
37:37Rahul Gandhi said, my word is my oath.
37:40So that's about it.
37:41Essentially that he's addressed this press conference to put the details out there, the evidence as he calls it, out there.
37:48We'll have to see how the election commission chooses to respond because remember, tomorrow Rahul Gandhi is going to be in Bengaluru to be a part of this mega dharna in the heart of Bengaluru, raising this issue, this allegation of voter roll manipulation in Karnataka.
38:02Let's get you some more highlights of exactly what Rahul Gandhi said in that press conference earlier today.
38:07There is always a reason given for this lack of anti-incumbency, for this shift suddenly from these opinion polls, right?
38:19And the reasons are multiple, Ladli Bhena, Pulwama, you know, now Sindhur.
38:28So we saw this pattern and then, of course, the most fundamental thing that elections are choreographed.
38:35Aaj ke zamane mein,
38:37U.P. mein,
38:39alag-alag voting hoti hai, Bihar mein kabhi or hori hai, mahinon ke liye chalti hai.
38:43And this was something that we were suspicious.
38:46Ye mahinon ke liye, why is it taking so long?
38:50And why is there choreography?
38:53Suddenly the Haryana and Karnataka elections are repositioned, dates are changed.
39:00So this is what general public ko suspicion thi, hame bhi suspicion thi.
39:05See, notice one thing.
39:07They don't attack me.
39:08They are very scared to attack me.
39:10They have not taken any action against me because they know that I am talking the truth here.
39:15So, wo bolte hain, right?
39:20But meri upar attack nahi kar rahe hai.
39:22Kyunki agar meri upar attack karte hai, there'd be criminal procedure, everything on me.
39:26None of that is happening because they know it's true.
39:28They know this is bulletproof.
39:30They know.
39:31Anti-incumbency is something that hits every single party, in every single democracy.
39:39But for some reason, the BJP is the only party, in a democratic framework, that basically does not suffer this idea of anti-cumbency.
39:52Election commission ko bahane nahi banane jai.
39:58Electronic voter list, hamare hawaale karde nahi jai.
40:04Or may siraf rahul gandhi nahi bol raha haun.
40:13May congress party ka neta haun.
40:18Or jo mein bol raha haun, wo saray ke saray opposition leaders nahi bhi bula hai.
40:23Hindustan mein 60% sazala vote opposition ba hai.
40:29So those were some of the highlights of what the leader of opposition Rahul Gandhi said in that press conference.
40:36And he's made it very, very clear that he's not going to be handing over any of this evidence because he says it's now in public domain.
40:43We've given you the details.
40:44He's alleged several discrepancies on the part of the election commission saying that despite multiple requests, details of the voter roll wasn't really handed over to them digitally, but rather as hard copy.
40:56So he says that's seven feet of paper stacks that's handed out to the Congress, which is impossible to go through.
41:02But the Congress still did that.
41:03For example, Mahadevpura of Karnataka.
41:06And these are the numbers that the Congress has put out in Rahul Gandhi's press conference.
41:10Let's get your breaking news that's coming in on the story.
41:12Now after the Karnataka Election Commission, it's the Maharashtra Election Commission that shot off a letter to Rahul Gandhi.
41:27Much like the Karnataka EC, the Maharashtra EC is also seeking a declaration now from Rahul Gandhi.
41:33Remember Rahul Gandhi in his press conference had also spoken about Maharashtra, which he's done before.
41:38And today too, he's made a mention of Maharashtra saying that there was an unprecedented number of new voters added to the voter rolls just before the elections in the state of Maharashtra.
41:49So much like Karnataka now, the Election Commission in the state of Maharashtra has sought a declaration, an oath from Rahul Gandhi saying that we need evidence, we need the details before we take things forward.
42:01Aishwarya Paliwal is joining us with more details on this.
42:04Aishwarya, the Election Commission is putting the ball in Rahul Gandhi's court saying if you want us to crack the whip, you want us to take action, sign this declaration.
42:11What does it really say, Aishwarya?
42:13Well, you know, this is something that the Election Commission, Akshita, has been asking since day one.
42:18And you know, let me tell you, over the past eight days, continuous Election Commission has been sharing data with regards to claims and counterclaims.
42:25Now, let me tell you, it is very, very surprising that none of the parties have filing claims and counterclaims when it comes to the SIR in the state of Bihar.
42:32Now, what Rahul Gandhi did today is in line with that.
42:36It's another, you know, change that he's adding now.
42:39And he clearly said that in the state of Karnataka, in the state of Maharashtra, voters' names have been deleted.
42:44And he also said that there were n number of fake voters.
42:47So, that was the presentation which was being given by Rahul Gandhi.
42:50Now, we have seen the CEOs of these respective states asking Rahul Gandhi to give out proof and also saying that so far, Rahul Gandhi has not been able to sign, give them a oath,
42:59and has also not filed a petition against what he's been claiming.
43:04The Election Commission believes that you need to give us a petition and only then we will go ahead and take action against what you are saying.
43:11You are doing the whole press conference, but there is an official oath that you need to take.
43:15That official oath, Rakshita, so far has not been taken by Rahul Gandhi.
43:18All right, Aishwarya, thanks very much for getting us those details.
43:21So, we'll continue tracking all the reactions that come in on Rahul Gandhi's explosive news conference there.
43:29Let's get you now in India Today exclusive.
43:31India Today's Prabodh Madhav met with Ilya Talapati Vijay, the latest entrant in the political space of Tamil Nadu.
43:39And here's what he told Prabodh Madhav in this exclusive conversation.
43:44For the first time Vijay has spoken to any TV network about exactly what his political game plan is.
43:51And in that particular meeting, pictures on your screens also of Pramodh's meeting with Vijay there,
43:57he's made it very clear that there is no question of an alliance with the AIADMK.
44:01There's been endless speculation on whether he'll be open to an alliance or tie up with the AIADMK.
44:06Vijay has said that no, there is no question of that happening simply because of the fact that they're in a tie up,
44:12they're in an alliance already with the BJP.
44:15Now not just that, Vijay has made it clear that another issue, another point on which there's going to be no negotiation for him,
44:22is that he is the CM candidate, he is the CM face.
44:26So anyone willing to join the alliance, to join hands with the TVK, has to project Vijay as the CM face.
44:33So in that scenario, again, there's no question of any of the political bigwigs,
44:37any of the big political parties actually joining hands with him.
44:41Vijay, of course, has reiterated that he has a strong anti-establishment stance that is against the DMK,
44:48against the central government as well.
44:50And that's why he's made it very clear that there's no question of any sort of alliance.
44:55This is what we've picked up from our conversation with Vijay there, that exclusive,
45:01and I'll be joined by Pramodhi in just a bit.
45:04But we also wanted you to take a look at exactly what Vijay had said earlier about whether he's open to an alliance.
45:11And we also wanted you to take a look at the
45:34Let me take this across to Pramod Madho, who's joining us live from Chennai.
45:51It was yesterday that Pramod got the chance to meet with superstar Vijay.
45:55Pramod, take us through really your meeting with him.
45:58How long did it last?
45:59What was your sense about really how confident Vijay is about this new
46:04arena that he is entering?
46:10Well, Akshita, one thing I can clearly say about is that we had gone over there to invite Vijay,
46:16the superstar, and also called as Talabadi Talaywa, and also the leader of TBK for an event.
46:22But the way he treated us was absolutely humble.
46:25He was really humble to us.
46:27And for the certain kind of queries, just like you mentioned, his answers were very clean,
46:32very simple, and very much poised and determined.
46:35And that is something I have to tell you.
46:37His body language was absolutely humble in all manner.
46:39He was completely grounded.
46:41Imagine for a person who has millions and millions of followers.
46:45We, after that meeting, have clearly understood what is the reason behind this.
46:48All is because of his humbleness.
46:50And just like you mentioned, Vijay has already made it very clear that there is going to be
46:55any kind of alliance with anybody, with BJP.
46:58So that means that unless and until AIDMK is going to hold on the stand, no matter what
47:03kind of invite AIDMK is going to give to Vijay, that is not going to work.
47:07He is completely determined about that.
47:08And one thing I can clearly say is that he is putting his fans in front of, you know,
47:14his own personal life.
47:15That is what he clearly stated, that there will not be no kind of selfish alliance.
47:20And the second thing, just like you mentioned, is that one important factor when it comes
47:23to Tamil Nadu is the alliance equation.
47:26And he has also made it very clear earlier as well that if any party wishes to come to
47:31form alliance with TBK, they will have to go ahead and accept the party resolutions.
47:37And one among them is Vijay being the chief minister candidate because that's what a fan
47:42wants.
47:42And you, me, we both know the millions of fans he has at any place you go, you know, I
47:47mean, he goes, you know, the kind of fanfare he has, Akshita.
47:51Absolutely.
47:52A million plus fans, plus one, Pramod.
47:54I see that you've been converted into a fan as well after meeting with Vijay, highlighting
47:58how humble and down to earth he was.
48:00Thanks very much, Pramod, for joining us here on India Today.
48:04All right.
48:04And as I wrap up this edition of Super 6, I'm leaving you with the images of another
48:09superstar, Kamal Hassan, who also forayed into politics, didn't really taste too much
48:13success, but is now in the Rajya Sabha.
48:15He met with Prime Minister Modi.
48:17And guess what he gifted Prime Minister Modi?
48:19A symbol of the Kiradi excavation site.
48:23So political messaging in that too.
48:25These are pictures of Kamal Hassan's meeting with Prime Minister Modi.
48:28You can see the exchange of warmth between the two leaders.
48:32Welcome, always, cutting across political lines and political differences.
48:36I'm leaving you with these pictures.
48:37Thanks for tuning in.
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