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Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Thursday made explosive claims of a "huge criminal fraud" in polls through "collusion" between the BJP and the Election Commission and called it "a crime against the Constitution".
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00:00Let's raise the big questions on our talking point.
00:02Is this an atom bomb, as Rahul Gandhi claims, or a smoke bomb?
00:06Has Rahul Gandhi provided hard evidence of voter fraud?
00:10Should the Election Commission be giving a point-by-point rebuttal?
00:14Why doesn't Rahul Gandhi approach the courts or give a sworn affidavit?
00:18These are some of the questions I will raise.
00:20Joining me now are Dr. Ajay Kumar of the Congress,
00:25Syed Zafar Islam is of the Bharatiya Janta Party,
00:27O.P. Rawat is former Chief Election Commissioner.
00:31But before that, I spoke earlier to the man at the center of it,
00:34P.C. Mohan, is the BJP MP elected from central Bengaluru,
00:38where Rahul Gandhi has alleged massive voter fraud.
00:42Mr. Mohan, Rahul Gandhi is alleging vote theft of more than 1 lakh votes
00:46in one of your assembly segments, Madev Pura.
00:49What is your immediate reaction to the data that he has provided
00:53of alleged duplication of voters and voter fraud?
00:57See, special intensive revision, what is happening in Bihar,
01:03he is opposing in parliament.
01:05Parliament is stalled for the last 4-5 days.
01:07The whole country is watching it.
01:09And he is telling that in Bangalore,
01:13in Bangalore central parliamentary constituency,
01:16voter theft has happened.
01:181 lakh vote has been added.
01:20How does he know that all of them have voted for Bharatiya Janta Party?
01:25And I have been winning this parliamentary constituency for the last 4 times continuously.
01:29People have blessed me and people have got faith on me.
01:32They have voted for me.
01:33I am grateful to them.
01:34And he is insulting my constituency.
01:37Voters also, I would like to tell Rahul Gandhi.
01:39And today, what voter list revision, special intensive revision is happening in Bihar,
01:46it should happen throughout the country.
01:48So that all these voters will be cleaned.
01:56No, no, but he is giving very specific examples, Mr. Bhavani.
02:00He has given granular data of exact duplicate voters,
02:04has given photos that are allegedly invalid,
02:07how Form 6 is being misused,
02:10fake and invalid addresses of voters.
02:12Surely you will agree the Election Commission of India needs to investigate
02:16and give a point-by-point rebuttal.
02:17Don't you agree with the need for an investigation?
02:19See, one thing, Election Commission has already given a notice to Rahul Gandhi.
02:26Let him reply for that.
02:27Whatever questions he has, let him ask.
02:29They will answer for it.
02:31And one more thing, for voters, for you know,
02:33BLA-2s are appointed by all political parties.
02:36That is, for every booth, BLA-2 is appointed.
02:39Here, the BLA-2 has got all the right to verify the voter list.
02:43And if there is any disturbance in it,
02:45he can always complain to the Election Commission.
02:47Sir, you are saying he has to complain to the Election Commission,
02:51but you have gone on Twitter and said, and I quote you,
02:53Mr. Rahul Gandhi has insulted the people of Bangduru Central,
02:56especially thousands of Hindus who voted for the BJP.
03:00To him, any minority-heavy seat must belong to the Congress.
03:03The problem is not fraud.
03:04The problem is the verdict.
03:05Why are you making this a Hindu-Muslim issue?
03:08Why are you bringing a Hindu-Muslim angle?
03:09Let the law decide.
03:11Let there be a proper investigation.
03:13No, Mr. Mohan?
03:14Why bringing Hindu-Muslim here?
03:15No, see, one thing.
03:20Out of 28 parliamentary countries,
03:23why he is coming only and asking here?
03:27Why?
03:29Sir, he is saying...
03:30Why is he...
03:31He is saying the Congress has done a six-month investigation
03:35which is showing voter fraud.
03:37I am asking, should there not be a proper investigation done by the EC, sir?
03:40No, if there is any fraud, you know, on that time,
03:46it said they should have complained.
03:49They should have complained to EC.
03:51Within 40-45 days of the election,
03:53they should have complained.
03:54After 15 months, what is the point coming and complaining now?
03:58Okay.
03:59Okay.
04:00I get your point.
04:01There you are.
04:02And whatever additional are there,
04:03how does he know that they all voted for Bharatiya Janata Party?
04:07Okay.
04:08PC Mohan,
04:08you are the BJP MP from Bengaluru Central.
04:11I spoke to you earlier.
04:12I want to now get reactions.
04:14Ajay Kumar,
04:15you are hearing what the MP from Bengaluru Central is saying.
04:19He is saying,
04:20A,
04:20how does Rahul Gandhi know that this alleged fraudulence has been done to benefit the BJP?
04:26He is a four-time MP.
04:27He has the support of people.
04:29Rahul Gandhi needs to,
04:30should have made these charges 45 days after the election.
04:34Now he is making it in 2025, August.
04:36Election took place in May 2024.
04:39Sir, you need to listen to me patiently.
04:42And the important point is,
04:45the election,
04:46how do you complain when you don't have,
04:49it took us six months.
04:50Have you seen the way the data was produced?
04:52First question is this fraudulent election commission,
04:55and I'm using these words and please mark it.
04:57It has lost the faith.
04:59It's not Chunaav Aayog,
05:00it's Chori Aayog for the simple reason.
05:02And I'll give you data.
05:05Optical,
05:06the paper they give us is not,
05:08we are not able to read it.
05:10It is not machine reading friendly.
05:13It's on a paper format,
05:15which you can't pick up any data
05:16and put it on an Excel.
05:19How do you analyze data across 7 lakh voters?
05:23Unless you use,
05:24so we have to first type every one sheet,
05:27put it into the data,
05:28and answer me a question.
05:31Hundreds of people with father's name,
05:33X, W, X, Z, Z.
05:35X, Y, Y, T.
05:37Hundreds of people with,
05:38thousands of people with address zero.
05:41Address zero.
05:42How do you justify it?
05:44And you,
05:45I saw your tweet,
05:45Rajdeep,
05:46and I just want,
05:47I thought you're normally sober,
05:48but I just want to correct you on that.
05:50Rahul Gandhi should give an affidavit.
05:52The election commission should give an affidavit.
05:55Because this is data.
05:56No, no, no, but you can't,
05:57the point I was making in that tweet,
06:00Dr. Ajay Kumar,
06:01that if Rahul Gandhi is going to make
06:02such serious allegations of voter fraud,
06:04why not put this in a complaint,
06:06in an affidavit to the EC,
06:07and take it to the Supreme Court?
06:09Dood ka dood, paani ka paani.
06:10They will say,
06:11this is a press conference,
06:12why can't you give the allegations?
06:13No, no, one second,
06:13what is a fair point?
06:15No,
06:15these strange guys in election commission,
06:18we have fought so many elections,
06:19I have gone and complained.
06:21We have given a complaint in writing,
06:22we have given it in writing,
06:24we have given it online,
06:27we gave it in writing for Maharashtra,
06:29have they replied?
06:30My question to you is,
06:32what is this affidavit nonsense,
06:33the CEO of Karnataka is another thick-skinned individual,
06:36talking like a Gestapo?
06:37Who gives an effort?
06:38And it's not the issue of affidavit,
06:40it's a question of insulting the leader of opposition.
06:42When we give a complaint to election commission,
06:45it has to be replied.
06:47Member of parliament gives it,
06:49political party gives it,
06:50and suddenly starts off,
06:51and have you noticed,
06:53they have not replied to a single thing.
06:55You tell me,
06:57why are you purposely brought a law
06:59to delete videos after 45 days,
07:02the moment when the high court passed an order?
07:04Fraud, election commission fraud.
07:06Why do you give us in papers
07:08where we can't put it on to...
07:10No, one second.
07:10So, you're claiming you want all...
07:12One minute.
07:13You're claiming you want digital records,
07:15you want the CCTV,
07:17you're saying don't delete the CCTV,
07:18why can't you keep all this data digitally?
07:21That's the one...
07:21And no,
07:23and make this,
07:24no,
07:24and election commission has lost it,
07:26make DANG,
07:27make the Srivastava,
07:29make Sakun Rani,
07:30their brand ambassador,
07:32five voter-righties across five states.
07:34Okay, these are...
07:35Let me explain it to our viewers.
07:41These are names which Ajay Kumar has given
07:43of people which Rahul Gandhi claims,
07:45which he showed in his presentation,
07:47have alleged duplicate epic cards
07:50or have addresses in more than one state
07:53and therefore are voting in different states.
07:55I want you to respond to this Syed Zafar Islam
07:58because Rahul Gandhi has said
07:59five types of voter chori.
08:02Duplicate voters in this constituency,
08:0311,965.
08:05Fake and invalid addresses,
08:0740,009.
08:08Bulk voters in single address,
08:1010,452.
08:12Hundreds of voters in one address,
08:14invalid voters more than 4,000.
08:17Misuse of form 6,
08:18under which 18-year-olds are supposed to...
08:21or first-time voters are supposed to fill in.
08:2371-year-old voters are filling in.
08:25He says more than 30,000.
08:27Total is coming to 1,250,000.
08:30And he has provided data this time.
08:33This is not just an allegation.
08:34This is data.
08:37Another...
08:39Rahul Gandhi has made this kind of claim
08:42and it turned out to be breathless.
08:46Mr. Rahul Gandhi said that
08:48there will be an atom bomb.
08:49But the people of India
08:51are smiling and laughing at him
08:53because they still feel
08:54that he's a child.
08:55He has not grown up.
08:56No, no.
08:57It's very easy to use words
08:59about Rahul Gandhi,
09:00pappu, child,
09:01my limited point.
09:02Are you challenging the numbers?
09:04Give me a straight answer.
09:05Are you challenging
09:06Rahul Gandhi's numbers
09:07and data this time?
09:09You heard Kiren Rajaj.
09:11He said it is a bogus data.
09:13Let the election commission
09:18respond to validity of those data,
09:20whatever he's claiming.
09:22I mean, it is not for you or me
09:23to respond on the validity of the data.
09:27It is the election commission
09:29which is the constitutional body.
09:31Do you agree the election commission,
09:33Mr. Islam,
09:33has to give a point-by-point rebuttal?
09:35Should the election commission of India
09:37be giving a point-by-point rebuttal or not?
09:40Election commission has already issued notice to him.
09:42He must respond.
09:44But all I'm trying to tell you
09:45that always,
09:46he has always said something
09:48and eventually what he's demonstrated
09:50is nothing but his bogus thing,
09:51bestness allegation he has made.
09:53Today, people are feeling
09:54that he is still a child
09:55because he was talking about Atom Bob,
09:57but eventually it was nothing
09:59but a full jadi,
10:00a sparkler,
10:01nothing beyond that.
10:02Having said that,
10:03let me tell you a few things
10:03which is very important.
10:05See, this institution is run
10:07by the constitution,
10:09not by his presentation.
10:10I understand his presentation
10:11because he's losing his election
10:12by election after election.
10:14He's losing and he's frustrated.
10:17I understand that
10:17because all his life
10:19he's stayed with the power
10:20for last 10 years
10:22he's staying away from the power.
10:23So his frustration
10:24is not in public.
10:25So this kind of statement
10:28he's making this kind of allegation
10:29but you must remember
10:31these are institutional bodies.
10:34These are the bodies
10:35which is run by the constitution
10:36and constitutionally run body
10:38cannot be...
10:39They are not above the law, sir.
10:40No constitutional body
10:42is above the law.
10:43Let me bring in Ropi Rawat.
10:45Sir, one minute.
10:46Just a second.
10:47Are you saying
10:48they cannot be questioned?
10:49Are you saying
10:49election commission
10:50cannot be questioned
10:51in this country?
10:52Sir, Adib,
10:53if that was the case
10:54then he should have
10:55instead of making
10:57this presentation
10:58he should have approached
10:59the court
10:59with all these evidences
11:00what he's showing
11:01as evidence
11:02because it is best list
11:04it's purely for allegation
11:06making allegation
11:07it is a bogus data
11:08otherwise
11:09we were insisting him
11:11not today
11:11since the time he said
11:12that we'll drop
11:13a bottom atom bomb
11:14since then
11:15we are saying
11:15please approach the court.
11:17Please approach the court.
11:18Come out clean.
11:20Approach the court.
11:21Okay.
11:21You're saying approach the court.
11:22Let me bring in
11:23O.P. Rawat
11:23former chief election commissioner
11:25joins me at this moment.
11:26O.P. Rawat
11:26how are you seeing
11:27the charges
11:27that Rahul Gandhi
11:28has made today?
11:29He has provided
11:30data specific names
11:31where he's alleging
11:32several discrepancies
11:33manipulation
11:34in the electoral rolls
11:35in a constituency
11:36in Karnataka.
11:37He's saying
11:37do you agree
11:38it needs a wider investigation?
11:39Yes or no?
11:41I think election commission
11:43always takes
11:44such allegations
11:45seriously.
11:47They
11:48see the evidence
11:50they use that evidence
11:51to investigate
11:52thoroughly
11:53and ensure
11:55that a befitting
11:56factual reply
11:58is given to the
11:59complaining
12:00stakeholder.
12:02So I think election
12:02continues.
12:04But do you agree
12:05this is casting a shadow
12:06over the election commission?
12:07Its credibility
12:08is under question.
12:09Do you agree
12:09that when the leader
12:10of the opposition
12:11alleges voter manipulation
12:12the election commission
12:13needs to do more
12:14to save itself
12:15from a credibility crisis?
12:17Yes or no?
12:17No.
12:17No.
12:17No.
12:17No.
12:17No.
12:17No.
12:17No.
12:18No.
12:18No.
12:19No.
12:20That is why
12:22election commission
12:22always takes
12:23these things
12:23very seriously
12:24investigates
12:25and gives
12:25a factual reply
12:27so that
12:28all those
12:29issues
12:30are settled.
12:33No.
12:33But do you believe
12:34that the election commission
12:35is facing
12:35a credibility crisis
12:36sir?
12:36They haven't given
12:37any factual responses
12:38yet point by point.
12:43Prime of SI
12:44whatever facts
12:45are emerging
12:46the public
12:48will believe so.
12:49but I am confident
12:50but I am confident
12:50that election commission
12:51will take it seriously
12:52and then the clouds
12:53will clear.
12:55Okay.
12:56So you know
12:56Dr. Ajay Kumar
12:58the point is
12:59when you go
13:00and make these
13:01allegations
13:01and you are also
13:02making all kinds
13:03of statements
13:03about the election
13:04commission of India
13:05it is a constitutional
13:06body at the end
13:07of the day.
13:08I repeat
13:09isn't it better
13:10to take all
13:11this data
13:11that Rahul Gandhi
13:12and your party
13:13has gathered
13:13take it to the
13:14Supreme Court of India
13:15and ask for a full
13:16investigation.
13:18So this is the
13:19biggest nonsense
13:20I have ever heard
13:21in my life.
13:21Why?
13:22Sorry Rajni
13:22no the nonsense
13:23because a body
13:25is lying in a police
13:26station
13:26and the Kanidar
13:27will say
13:28no I will not
13:29see it is not
13:29a body
13:30you go and
13:30file a case
13:31in the court
13:32whose job
13:33is it to
13:33investigate
13:34the election
13:34commission
13:35and you are
13:36saying no
13:37election commission
13:38will not
13:38investigate this
13:39get the court
13:40to order you
13:41that is why
13:42this is a fraudulent
13:43election commission
13:43we are telling you
13:44the job of the
13:45election commission
13:46was to call
13:47Mr.
13:47No one sec
13:47let me complete
13:48sir
13:48this whole BJP
13:50story
13:51go to court
13:52we were supposed
13:54to go in this
13:54democracy to the
13:55election commission
13:56when there is
13:58an electoral
13:58malpractice
13:59that is the job
14:00of the election
14:01commission
14:01not the Supreme
14:02Court
14:02first
14:02you delayed
14:03for three years
14:04four years
14:04this was
14:05that is why
14:06they want us
14:07to go to court
14:07they don't want
14:08the election
14:09commission to reply
14:10second question
14:10to you my friend
14:11please
14:12Zafar Islam
14:12I will start
14:13telling about
14:13Mr. Modi
14:14don't dare to
14:15speak on
14:15Mr. Gandhi
14:16again repeatedly
14:17lose comments
14:17because I can
14:18speak enough
14:19on Mr. Modi
14:20and Amit Shah
14:20let's keep
14:23a certain level
14:24let's keep
14:24a certain level
14:25I am asking
14:26you specific
14:27questions
14:27tell the BJP
14:29guys
14:30you want me
14:30to open
14:31their mouth
14:31on Mr. Modi
14:32that is enough
14:33we can say
14:33so tell them
14:34to have decency
14:34when they speak
14:35on our leader
14:35and I would
14:36expect the same
14:37to do and
14:37vice versa
14:38second issue
14:38on Mr. Mohan
14:39talking
14:39Mr. Mohan
14:41says
14:41you tell me
14:42out of seven
14:42constituencies
14:43even politically
14:44six we lead
14:45one suddenly
14:46one lakh vote
14:47we all have
14:48the MLA's
14:49from that area
14:50the question
14:51to you is
14:52sir I can give
14:54you an example
14:56of a constituency
14:57in Maharashtra
14:57where the BJP
14:59led in four
15:00of the constituencies
15:00the congress
15:01won by one
15:01lakh in another
15:02you see
15:03you will have
15:04to stick
15:04to the data
15:05sir
15:05so you are
15:07not listening
15:07to the data
15:08the data
15:09what was the
15:10data saying
15:10that the
15:11form six
15:12form six
15:13for new voters
15:14majority are
15:1680 year old
15:1690 year old
15:17is there some
15:18geriatric
15:19campaign going
15:20on in India
15:21form six
15:22for new voters
15:23has got
15:2370
15:2480
15:2490
15:24one house
15:26has got
15:2630 people
15:2740 people
15:27one room
15:28house
15:28one brewery
15:29has got
15:30100 people
15:30and then you
15:32say this
15:32fraudulent
15:32election commission
15:33is still
15:34the best
15:35election commission
15:36you tell me
15:37Rajdeep
15:37how can you
15:38have one
15:39room tenement
15:40with 100
15:41people in that
15:42house
15:42how can you
15:43have a
15:44father's name
15:45is X
15:45Zafar Islam
15:46answer that
15:46my father's
15:47name in that
15:48voter ID
15:48is written
15:49X Y Z
15:49P X
15:50is that a
15:51fraud
15:51it's a
15:52fraud
15:53I take
15:54I've heard
15:55you
15:55Zafar Islam
15:55I want a
15:56final word
15:56because you
15:57see this
15:57has now
15:57gone beyond
15:58just the
15:58usual
15:59allegations
15:59this time
16:00to be fair
16:01to Rahul
16:01Gandhi
16:02he has
16:02given a
16:02detailed
16:03press
16:03conference
16:03and he
16:04has given
16:05names
16:05areas
16:06buildings
16:07where there
16:07are alleged
16:09manipulation
16:09of voters
16:10extra voters
16:11fake addresses
16:11don't you
16:13think as a
16:13responsible
16:14politician
16:14or the
16:15government
16:15of the
16:15day
16:16whether
16:16opposition
16:17or government
16:17for democracy
16:18sake
16:19election
16:19commission
16:20must have
16:21a full
16:21investigation
16:22and come
16:22clean with
16:23it
16:23not press
16:23statements
16:24but give
16:25point by
16:26point rebuttal
16:27to every
16:27charge made
16:28by Rahul
16:28Gandhi
16:29do you
16:29agree with
16:29that or
16:30not
16:30let me
16:32respond to
16:33that
16:33as I
16:34said
16:34earlier
16:34and Mr.
16:35Ropi
16:35Rawat
16:35also the
16:36former
16:36election
16:37commissioner
16:37has also
16:38said
16:38that
16:38that
16:39once you
16:40approach
16:41the
16:41election
16:41commission
16:42it is
16:43the
16:44responsibility
16:44of the
16:45election
16:45commission
16:45to
16:46respond
16:47that's
16:47what I
16:47said
16:48regarding
16:49the
16:49validity
16:49of
16:50these
16:51data
16:51it is
16:52for the
16:52election
16:53commission
16:53to decide
16:54and respond
16:54to Mr.
16:55Rahul
16:55Gandhi
16:55having said
16:56that
16:56I didn't say
16:57anything wrong
16:58about Rahul
16:59Gandhi
16:59I said
16:59the people
17:00of India
17:00feel that
17:01he's still
17:01a child
17:02he has not
17:02grown up
17:03because
17:03he's
17:03always make
17:04a claim
17:05all these
17:06sentence of
17:06atom bomb
17:07and all
17:07who claims
17:08this kind
17:08made
17:09the
17:10statement
17:10sir
17:11whether
17:11atom bomb
17:12or not
17:12the data
17:13he has
17:13provided
17:14for digitized
17:15data
17:16by the
17:16election
17:17commission
17:18these are
17:18hard facts
17:19the election
17:19commission
17:19for the sake
17:20of the credibility
17:21of itself
17:22and the democracy
17:22must respond
17:23let me respond
17:25to that
17:25let me just
17:26complete
17:27all I'm saying
17:27trying to tell
17:28you that
17:28he has
17:29approached
17:29he has
17:30made a
17:30presentation
17:31if he
17:32doesn't get
17:32a response
17:32he might
17:33approach
17:33the court
17:33having said
17:34that
17:34you said
17:36that nobody
17:37is above the
17:37law so
17:38that's why
17:38I suggested
17:39my friend
17:39from congress
17:40that if
17:41you think
17:42that election
17:43commission
17:43is not
17:44responding to
17:45you
17:45approach the
17:46court with
17:46the evidence
17:47what you
17:47have
17:47we know
17:48that it's
17:48a bogus
17:49data
17:49he has
17:50and he's
17:50only trying
17:51to mislead
17:52the people
17:52of india
17:53and also
17:5310 seconds
17:58I've run
18:00out of time
18:01I've run
18:01out of time
18:02it'll now
18:02get
18:03sir
18:03I've heard
18:04both sides
18:04I think
18:05we've
18:05heard both
18:05sides
18:06I think
18:06all that
18:07we need
18:07is a
18:08point-by-point
18:09rebuttal
18:09it is now
18:13sir
18:13I appreciate
18:14my guest
18:14joining us
18:15let's leave
18:16it there
18:16let's leave
18:16it there
18:17this is the
18:17election
18:17commission
18:18of india
18:18and we
18:19hope that
18:19the election
18:20commission
18:20of india
18:21does a
18:21point-by-point
18:22rebuttal
18:23else
18:23their silence
18:24will be seen
18:25by some
18:26as complicity
18:27you
18:28I
18:29I
18:29I
18:30I
18:31I
18:31I
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