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00:00Good evening, hello and welcome. You're with the news today, start of a brand new week.
00:05This is your destination as always for news, newsmakers, talking points, news without the noise.
00:10That's what we bring you on the news today. Let's get cracking and tell you what are our talking points tonight.
00:17A bid to throw a shoe at the Chief Justice of India inside the Supreme Court.
00:23It's not unprecedented. We'll be speaking to the country's former Attorney General Mukul Roti on what this means for the dignity of the highest judiciary.
00:33We'll also be talking about the Bihar election. That's right. They've been announced today.
00:38Some of the country's top sophologists will join me as we decode the X factors.
00:43Who will win the battle for Bihar?
00:46And also as the deadly cough syrup that has killed more than a dozen people in Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan.
00:53Who is to blame? The doctors, the pharma companies or the drug regulators?
00:58Let's get cracking on a far back show with the nine headlines at nine tonight.
01:04The first headline, a new law in the country's judicial history.
01:08Lawyer throws shoe at the Chief Justice of India, B.R. Gavai over his go pray to Vishnu remark.
01:15The Prime Minister condemns the attack. Rahul Gandhi calls it an attack on the Constitution.
01:24Bihar Assembly elections to be held in two phases.
01:28Phase 1 on November 6th. Remaining 122 seats to vote on the 11th of November.
01:34Counting on the 14th of November.
01:39Amidst the political uproar over the special intensive revision exercise,
01:45the election commission makes it clear.
01:47The process of a pan-India SIR process has begun.
01:51Statewide dates will be released soon.
01:55A shocking attack on a BJP MP and an MLA in North Bengal during relief work.
02:02Stones felted at the BJP lawmakers.
02:05BJP blames Srinamul Congress for attack.
02:07Klaims Jangal Raj under Chief Minister Mamata.
02:10DMC says angry locals responsible for the attack.
02:17Doctors body up in arms against the Madhya Pradesh government over the arrest of a pediatrician in the cough syrup deaths case.
02:24Indian Medical Association says doctors are not drug testers.
02:28Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Mohan Yadav says won't spare anyone.
02:31Seven people are killed in a fire at Jaipur's SMS hospital.
02:39Major lapses uncovered at Rajasthan's largest government hospital.
02:43Families of victims claim staff fled after the blaze.
02:47Supreme Court issues a notice to the centre after Sonam Vangchuk's wife piles a plea demanding release of her husband who has been arrested under NSA for allegedly stoking violence in Ladakh.
03:02Ajay Sabah MP and MNM chief Kamal Hassan throws his weight behind the Tamil Nadu police over the Karoor stampede.
03:16Says we must thank the police instead of complaining.
03:20Also says that Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Stalin acted responsibly.
03:24And talks between Israel, Hamas and the United States delegations begin in Egypt over Trump's 20-point Gaza plan.
03:33Release of hostages remains the biggest hurdle.
03:35The story that we are breaking right at the very top.
03:50Prime Minister Narendra Modi has a short while ago spoken to the Chief Justice of India, V.R. Gavai.
03:57This on a day when a shoe was hurled in the open court against the Chief Justice.
04:02The Prime Minister has made it clear that the attack on the Chief Justice has angered every Indian.
04:08There is no place, he says, for such reprehensible acts in our society.
04:13The Prime Minister says the attack on the Chief Justice is utterly condemnable.
04:18Rahul Gandhi too has dived in, says hatred has no place in our nation.
04:23Sources say that Chief Justice of India doesn't want action against the lawyer.
04:27The Bar Council has already suspended the lawyer, Rakesh Bishore, a septuagenarian, so someone who's been experienced in the court.
04:36The lawyer has claimed he won't tolerate the insult of Sanatan Dharma.
04:40This follows an observation made by the Chief Justice in a case involving a Vishnu idol a couple of weeks ago.
04:48Joining us now is Anisha Mathur, our legal editor who tracks the Supreme Court for us.
04:53Anisha, give us a sense now of what the Chief Justice is and what the Bar Council and the bench have decided.
05:03Is this incident now forgotten or is there going to be an attempt to order up some kind of an investigation into it?
05:10Well, Rajdeep, these are two separate actions that can be taken.
05:14The Chief Justice, because remember when this man hurled whatever he did at the Chief Justice's dais,
05:19he was immediately apprehended.
05:22On that, because the Chief Justice would have had to pass directions to register an FIR or take any action or even register a contempt of court case against him,
05:32the Chief Justice has reportedly told senior officials, and this is coming to us from senior officials of the court,
05:37that just ignore it, things like this keep happening, we don't want anything.
05:41However, since this was an action undertaken by a lawyer inside the Supreme Court of India,
05:48the Bar Council of India has stepped in, they have issued an order to suspend his license as a lawyer at the moment,
05:57and at least for the next 15 days, this person, Rakesh Ishar cannot appear before any court or tribunal,
06:04he cannot claim to be a lawyer, his license is suspended.
06:07In fact, he's been issued a show cause notice as to why he should not be permanently disbarred in India.
06:14We've already also been speaking to the Bar Council of Delhi as well as the Bar Council of India representatives.
06:18They're saying that they will be taking the strictest possible actions against this person
06:22because he has done what he has done as a lawyer, as an officer of the court, which is completely unacceptable.
06:29And Rajdeep, if you look at the statements that have come out from the Bar Council,
06:32from the Supreme Court Bar Association, from various bar organizations in the country,
06:38there has been an absolutely unequivocal condemnation of what has been done.
06:42In fact, the Bar Council has also said that they will be taking action.
06:46The Karkaduma Bar, where this person is a Bar Association member, has also said they will be taking some action.
06:53Investigation is being done against him and a show cause notice has been issued.
06:56So, while the Chief Justice has chosen not to take the action that he is entitled to take against this person who attacked him,
07:04the Bar is, in fact, taking action and that is what we're being informed.
07:07Rajdeep.
07:08And joining me now is one of the country's leading lawyers, former attorney, general and senior advocate Mukul Rhodgi joins me.
07:29Appreciate your joining me, Mr. Rhodgi, on what is really a very sad and unfortunate day.
07:34Did you ever imagine that a day would come where a shoe would be thrown at the Chief Justice of India inside the open court?
07:44Well, Rajdeep, it is very unfortunate.
07:47But I remember one incident about 25 years ago when a shoe was thrown at a sitting judge of the Supreme Court,
07:55not Chief Justice, but another judge, Mr. Justice Pasayet.
07:58And, in fact, in that case, there was a difference of opinion between the two judges.
08:06One judge said that he should be sent to jail for contempt.
08:09And the other judge said that sometimes the frustrations rise in this fashion,
08:15maybe of a person who's without job, etc.
08:18So, we should look at it that way.
08:20That happened in that case.
08:21But as far as today is concerned, what is shocking is that it is a case of a lawyer.
08:28The lawyer was, the man who threw the shoe was a lawyer.
08:33And he was a lawyer of about 70 years of age.
08:37He stood up in the court and threw the shoe in a very calm kind of a manner, I am told.
08:44He was not agitated as such, as the other case that I was mentioning.
08:50That is shocking.
08:52I can understand somebody who's completely frustrated, maybe without a job, who's fighting his case,
08:58or who's lost his house, or lost his money, or lost his family,
09:01and is, you know, in a state of depression or frustration.
09:04But I don't expect that of a lawyer to do that.
09:08But I must say full marks to honour of the Chief Justice.
09:11Go ahead, go ahead.
09:16You know, the Chief Justice kept his calm and has chosen not to push ahead with the case.
09:24But what is even more shocking, Mr. Rodgi,
09:27is that the lawyer screamed India will not tolerate the insult of Sanatana Dharma.
09:32So, in a sense, he was using the courtroom to target Justice Gawai
09:37for comments and observations that Justice Gawai had made in another case,
09:41about a Vishnu idol.
09:43So, that seemed to bring in politics into the courtroom.
09:47That is troubling many people because it suggests that tomorrow,
09:50if I don't agree with the political observation of a judge,
09:53I will throw a shoe at him.
09:55Now, you are absolutely right, Rajdeep.
09:57Now, as far as the Chief Justice is concerned,
10:02I must say full marks to him.
10:05I appeared in his court soon thereafter in another case.
10:09He was absolutely cool, calm, and composed,
10:13which is very, very rare a quality.
10:17And he shrugged it off the shoulders of the court and of justice.
10:25And dispensation of justice are broad enough.
10:28He showed to the public at large that these things don't disturb me.
10:33And he went on with hearing at least 30 or 40 cases thereafter.
10:38So, full marks to the judge.
10:39And I am told, he also said later,
10:42he does not want to press any charges
10:44because this is a gross case of contempt.
10:48Apart from other, you see, problems,
10:51he would have been sentenced to six months
10:53under the Contempt Act straightaway.
10:55But the Chief Justice declined.
10:57And I think this is the highest traditions
10:59of the judiciary and full marks
11:01to Honorable Chief Justice,
11:03is what I would feel straightaway.
11:04Now, coming to your second limb,
11:07you see, judges make observations
11:09because there is a system of a dialogue
11:14between a judge and a lawyer.
11:16It happens in every case
11:18because unless you have a dialogue,
11:20the court doesn't understand your perspective.
11:22So, they ask questions.
11:23They make observations.
11:24But a court's judgment is only that
11:27which is written on paper,
11:29not these dialogues.
11:30And unfortunately,
11:32you see, the press and the media also pick up.
11:35These dialogues,
11:36and these dialogues are printed with breaking news.
11:39Dialogues in court,
11:40which is not a part of the judgment,
11:42mean nothing.
11:43Very often, I have had cases
11:45where the interaction showed
11:47that I'm going to win the case.
11:49And I would go back satisfied.
11:51But, you know, finally, you lose the case.
11:52So, you go by what the written word is
11:55and not by this dialogue.
11:59And what the judge said,
12:00in what context?
12:02How can this lawyer come and say,
12:04oh, well, this means
12:05that Saratan Dharma is being violated
12:08and all that?
12:10Is this,
12:11was it a case?
12:12I don't know.
12:12Maybe it was a case.
12:13That's because,
12:14that's because Mr.
12:15Rodgi of the Saratan,
12:16that's because Mr.
12:17Rodgi,
12:17that's because,
12:18as you said,
12:19the media and indeed the social media
12:21in particular now has social media armies
12:23which will target the judge tomorrow
12:25as anti-Hindu.
12:26And therefore,
12:27or tomorrow,
12:28if it was some other case,
12:30someone would be classified as anti,
12:32some other religion.
12:33And that is the fear
12:34that you are creating divides in society
12:37and those divides are now reflecting in a courtroom.
12:40How does a judge then even make observations
12:42if the moment he says something,
12:44the entire social media gets together
12:46and targets him?
12:48You are absolutely right.
12:51This would,
12:52this would sully the course of justice.
12:55It would stifle debate and discussion in the court.
12:59Every day we do cases.
13:01You see,
13:01there may be a case of a burial ground.
13:03There may be a case of a church.
13:06There may be a case of a dispute between Hindus
13:09and Muslims
13:10or so many other,
13:11you see,
13:12communities.
13:13I have done cases of one branch of Christians
13:16against another branch of Christians.
13:17You know,
13:18the Syrian,
13:19those Syrian church cases from Kerala.
13:25Now,
13:25those disputes are going on for the last hundred years.
13:28Hundred years.
13:30They are going on
13:30as to how will it be performed?
13:33What will be the position?
13:35You know,
13:35so a judge takes one view
13:36and tomorrow he says,
13:37no,
13:38he's taking the view of this side or that side.
13:41This is absolutely wrong.
13:42And I think the lawyer was politicizing the issue
13:46and maybe using the court as a platform
13:49to vent his grievances.
13:51Now,
13:51if he has grievances,
13:52he can jolly well go to Jantar Mantar
13:54and say whatever he wants to say.
13:56The courtroom is not a place or a forum
13:58for a public speech
14:00or,
14:00you see,
14:00antagonizing judges.
14:03But how would you respond,
14:06Mr.
14:07But how would you respond,
14:08Mr.
14:08Rodgi,
14:09if I said the bar as itself got politicized?
14:12Some of the resolutions,
14:14the statements that come out of the bar
14:15suggest a politicization.
14:17So the politicization is taking place within the bar
14:20and that is now affecting courtroom's functioning.
14:23I entirely agree with you.
14:26Everybody must be circumspect.
14:30One should know as lawyers at least
14:32of what to say in court,
14:36outside court,
14:37lawyers.
14:38But I'm sorry to say,
14:39there is no training of the young lawyers
14:42as to what are court etiquettes,
14:45how much to be said,
14:47what not to be said.
14:48I mean,
14:49we have to have some introspection there.
14:51And I think the Supreme Court bar
14:53should take a lead in this fashion.
14:55Today,
14:56for example,
14:57a youngster who passes law
14:59straight away can appear in the Supreme Court
15:01without knowing any practice,
15:04any rules,
15:04any procedures,
15:06any etiquettes
15:06or the decorums of the court.
15:09I have seen young lawyers
15:11telling the Supreme Court
15:13that please pass over the case
15:15because my senior is busy in the high court
15:17and he will come here.
15:19When I joined the bar,
15:20this was blasphemy.
15:21You could never tell the Supreme Court
15:23that a lawyer is busy in a court
15:25below the Supreme Court.
15:26But today,
15:27the youngsters don't know
15:29because this is not...
15:30No, sir,
15:30but I'm talking about
15:31senior members of the bar also, sir.
15:33Senior members of the bar
15:35who also take positions.
15:36Let's be very clear.
15:38The bar is getting politically divided.
15:40That's my point.
15:42I would say,
15:43Rajdeep,
15:43you are...
15:44I mean,
15:44I would regretfully agree
15:46that this is happening.
15:47It should not happen at all.
15:50The bar is nothing
15:51but a collective of lawyers.
15:54The lawyers are answerable
15:55to their clients.
15:57They represent their clients.
15:58They have to do their best.
16:00And as officials of the court,
16:02they have to respect the court,
16:04address the case
16:05and only the case,
16:07and not have any other hidden agent.
16:09The agent does.
16:10I mean,
16:11one may be sympathetic
16:11as a lawyer to one party,
16:13against one party,
16:14but it should never,
16:16ever appear in court.
16:17Right.
16:20My final question to you,
16:21do you believe
16:22the law minister
16:23and other senior jurists
16:25should come together
16:26and make sure
16:28that certain rules
16:29are set in frame?
16:30I know that
16:30the particular judge,
16:31the particular advocate
16:32has been suspended
16:33by the bar council.
16:35Do you believe
16:35we need stronger statements
16:37now from the law ministry
16:38and indeed from jurists
16:39to ensure
16:40that we don't see
16:41a repeat of this?
16:43I would say
16:44this is the need
16:45of the hour.
16:46Senior members
16:47of the bar,
16:48senior members
16:49of the judiciary,
16:51senior members
16:51of the law ministry
16:52and other stakeholders
16:55should come together
16:56and write down
16:58a few simple
16:59do's and don'ts.
17:01And that would probably
17:02ensure that
17:03these things
17:03are not,
17:04you know,
17:05repeated
17:05in any court,
17:07much less
17:07the highest court in the land.
17:09Okay.
17:09I want to leave it there
17:13Mukul Rodgi
17:14for coming
17:15and speaking
17:15so plainly as ever.
17:17I appreciate
17:17you joining us.
17:19This is a very sad
17:20and unfortunate day
17:21in the history
17:22of our judiciary.
17:23Thank you very much.
17:24Let me give you
17:29my take
17:30on this issue.
17:31What happened
17:32in the Supreme Court
17:33today
17:34is deeply,
17:35deeply regrettable.
17:36That a lawyer
17:37should throw
17:38a shoe
17:39at the chief justice
17:40of the country
17:41inside an open court
17:42only because
17:43he was angered
17:44with the judge's
17:45observations
17:45on a case
17:46involving a Lord
17:47Vishnu idol
17:48is an ominous sign.
17:50It reflects
17:51the growing
17:52intolerance
17:53and failure
17:54to truly
17:55understand
17:56true Sanatana Dharma.
17:58In its purest form
17:59Sanatana Dharma
18:00is inclusive
18:01and diverse.
18:04Sadly,
18:04toxic politics
18:06and social media
18:07tropes
18:08have reduced
18:09the philosophical
18:09underpinnings
18:10of Sanatana Dharma
18:12into a religious war.
18:14This fanaticism
18:15has now played out
18:17in the highest
18:18courtroom
18:19of the land.
18:20introspection
18:21is therefore
18:22called for.
18:23India's
18:23constitutional values
18:25must prevail
18:26over the forces
18:27of hatred.
18:29Think about it.
18:30Okay,
18:31let's turn from there
18:32to our other
18:33big story
18:34and today was
18:34a big day
18:35for the election
18:36commission
18:36which has announced
18:37finally the dates
18:39for the big Bihar
18:40elections
18:40that are coming up
18:42in November.
18:43The election
18:43will be held
18:44in two phases.
18:45It will be held
18:46on the 6th of November
18:47and the 11th of November.
18:49Results will be declared
18:51on the 14th of November.
18:54121 seats
18:55will go to the polls
18:56in the first phase
18:57and the balance
18:58122 in the second phase.
19:01Importantly,
19:02the election commission
19:03has said
19:03that the special
19:04intensive revision
19:05exercise that drew
19:06such controversy
19:07in Bihar
19:08will now be taken
19:10across the country.
19:12Let's first listen in
19:13to how political parties
19:15have responded
19:16to the announcement
19:17of the dates.
19:18in Bihar
19:25Vidhan
19:26foreign
19:54and we will be able to do this.
19:56We are in a good way.
19:58We have seen the actions of their actions and things.
20:04Now, we are not going to do the work of Bihar to go to the hospital.
20:07The same thing, the government has said,
20:10the government, the government, the government,
20:13that is what we are doing.
20:15We have not given any vision.
20:17The people are saying that
20:19the people are saying that
20:20foreign
20:26foreign
20:32foreign
20:38foreign
20:44foreign
20:48foreign
21:04so who is winning the battle for bihar let's go to another round with our expert
21:10sephologist and pollster joining me now pradeep gupta chairperson and md of axis
21:16my india yashwan deshmukh founder director of sea voter amitabh tiwari of uh political strategist
21:23and commentator appreciate all three of you joining us me here on the show i'm going to give you five
21:29x-factors and we're going to go almost in t20 style through each of them conjitega bihar let's turn to
21:37the first x-factor will the nda's cash benefit transfers for women and youth be a game changer
21:44the new my mahila and you are let's go to you pradeep gupta do you believe that cash transfers
21:51will be a game changer as they were in maharashtra and indeed in madhya pradesh last year and the year
21:57before that it will definitely impact the outcome of the election
22:07when you say that are you saying therefore that mahila in particular and yuva are influenced by
22:12the fact that the government the nda is giving them cash benefits have we reached a stage where
22:17this becomes the key game changer is this now a new template pradeep see of course template is being
22:25played in the past two years particularly we have seen and witnessed that but in case of bihar one
22:32very important and interesting point when it comes to the female voters particularly you know why the
22:39five to seven percentage points percentage points i'm emphasizing on this woman votes more than male
22:48because the simple reason is their male member is outside the state for their livelihood and then in
22:55this case actually it is playing out 45 versus 55 you know 45 versus 55 so woman voter is far more
23:04important in case of bihar and you know sending 10 000 rupees at this eve of the election it will
23:13definitely play some role it may play some role it may play a major role what do you think yashwan
23:22deshmukh is this the x factor the fact that mahilas more than one crore women are getting 10 000 rupees
23:29one-time payment by the nda government will this become like in maharashtra game changer
23:37this will be the factor razdeep in this bihar election and not because of maharashtra or
23:43bandhra pradesh or jharkhand or any other example of the byla voter that we have seen in the recent past
23:48there is a one big huge difference between ekran shindesh shimras singh chauhan or hemat soren or any
23:55other chief minister trying to do a one-time payment one-time thing kind of thing with for a female
24:00voter and trying to get away with their votes because nitish kumar is
24:05uh personal uh history of running schemes nitish kumar's personal history of running schemes
24:19for female voters is way too different from all under the chief minister radeep 25 years back he
24:26started the cycle free cycle free poshak scheme for the for the girl child of bihar those kids
24:34those girls who were 25 years given poshak and cycle are now mothers homemakers entrepreneurs in
24:40bihar the same girls have been given 10 000 bucks and again being given and many of them will be given
24:46two lakh rupees in the coming years you know for entrepreneurship and everything in between
24:52this is way too different his emotional connect with those female voters has been
24:58that's a very interesting point yashwant you're making the girls who got cycles 20 years ago
25:03are now adults and they will they continue to benefit they are now jvka didis they continue to benefit but
25:10that brings me to my second x-factor amitabh tiwari which is nitish kumar himself
25:15will he prove an asset or a liability to nda in 2020 his vote shrunk
25:20he only won 43 seats is nitish kumar 20 years into power an asset or a liability does he bring
25:28a clear vote bank and thereby becomes an asset or anti-incumbency makes him a liability amitabh tiwari
25:36rajdeep ji the basic accounting equation says assets is equal to liabilities plus capital
25:41so any asset is is a liability as well the degree or the extent
25:46matters in terms of assets he brings the 12 to 15 percent core vote block of kurmi kawiri obcs
25:53and the loyal woman vote bank he is not seen as unpopular he has a good image a non-corruptible
25:59image and his last election could gain him some sympathy votes however the lack of industrialization
26:06in the state and lack of creation of jobs are is the biggest weakness of his 20-year government
26:14and in the last two tenors when he has shifted from nda to mahagarbandan and then back to nda people
26:21do see him as being busy in saving his chair rather than doing significant development work so that's his
26:30weakness in that sense right but if i may if i may then add and this is the third x factor amitabh which
26:40is linked to that who wins the crucial ebc vote extremely backward caste 26 percent hindu ebcs 10
26:47percent muslim ebcs now they seem to have over the last few elections generally gone with the nda
26:54particularly when nitish is with the nda so do they go this time to nda or mahagarbandan because rahul gandhi
26:59and tejasvi yadav are also targeting them could this be the key vote bank quite apart from the
27:05mahila factor the ebc factor yeah so if you see the ebc vote 26 percent 45 percent went to nda and 35
27:14percent to mahagarbandan in the 2020 election now this group has 113 subcastes there is little bargaining
27:23power of this group because there are not that there's not a single leader caste wise of this group
27:29and they see nitish kumar as the leader because he brought in the reservation in the panchayats and
27:35the local bodies for ebcs there is also a trust deficit of ebcs with the mahagarbandan because the
27:42obc and ebc joined together to dislodge the upper caste led government of the congress but later the
27:49yadav the yadav community pocketed most of the powerful positions which led to the rebellion of the
27:56ebcs in 2005 voting for the mahagarbandan also ebcs a lot of ebcs are very small businessmen
28:05or self-employed people the vishwakarma samaj and for them law and order is a big big issue so the
28:12reach out to the ebcs by the congress i think is very late in that sense however they need a
28:18representation both nda and mahagarbandan give lesser number of tickets to ebcs than their
28:27population so if the mahagarbandan gives a lot of tickets they could be in a position to woo some
28:33of the sections of the ebcs largely the educated and the youth ebcs and there's also 52 seats where
28:42the brings me to my fourth x factor which brings me to my fourth x factor uh pradeep gupta can the
28:48mahagarbandan go beyond its yadav muslim core vote all the polls we are seeing pradeep gupta show teja
28:54sri yadav is the preferred choice for chief minister but we've seen in recent elections that it's a
29:00struggle for them to go beyond their core vote how do they increase that particularly because their
29:06allies especially the congress is seen by many as a kamzor kadi or a weak link unless the congress
29:12pulls its weight do you see they just be either being able to grow beyond the yadav muslim combined
29:18can he do what we saw uh akhilesh yadav do in up last year by creating his broader alliance is that
29:26possible so rajdeep uh yes you are what you are saying is absolutely right because unless until and
29:34unless uh mahagarbandan as a whole as a block go until unless they get votes of beyond uh muslim and
29:45yadav they are unlikely to win which is the case in past three four elections and that is the precisely
29:51reason why in 2015 we have seen that they the gadbandhan that time nitis kumar was this side and they
29:58won the landslide victory in 2015 the both nitis lalu gadbandhan but what is the the next block the
30:07next block is about 17 to 19 percent of dalits which is very important and significant in that sense
30:15whichever way the dalit will vote the in the majority number is likely to win it is very simple but within
30:22dalit also there are three categories one is the past ones which is about five percent the second
30:29thing is the jata vote we call them jata vote the mochi votes which is about another five to six percent
30:36and rest is the you know other dalis other than these uh two blocks so this is very important this time
30:43particular in particular until unless maha gadbandhan is able to get the loin share of this uh 17 percent
30:51of the vote it is unlikely they are going to win interesting you believe therefore the dalit vote
31:00is critical who wins that dalit vote remember chirag paswan jitten ram maji all with the uh uh nda this
31:08time but the maha gadbandhan also trying to target that dalit vote which brings me to my fifth x factor
31:14i'm going to get all of you to comment on it quick comments yashwan deshmukh starting with you
31:18will prashant kishore emerge as a third force can he become the spoiler can he become a kingmaker
31:26how do you see the prashant kishore factor play out in a state which has been a duopoly between
31:32nitish kumar and lalu prasad well razdeep he has already emerged as the third force in
31:40bihar i mean as far as the traction and the narrative is concerned uh uh you see the the majority of the
31:47noise on the issues and everything has been made largely by prashant kishore only so he has already
31:52emerged as a third factor how much electorally can he convert that into votes yes one sorry can he
31:57convert can he convert visibility and noise into votes absolutely that's the critical question and
32:03that is where i have my doubts you know simply simply because bihar is not delhi it is still driven
32:10by largely the caste arithmetics and social combinations in place can prashant kishore cut
32:16through that can he actually demolish that can he actually appeal to big number of youth voters who
32:22may be caste agnostic in their way so that is something which is untested if he manages to
32:28do even slightly over there it would be historic i cannot i cannot give any number razdeep because first
32:35of all in a in a first past the post system whenever a fresh party new party comes in
32:40to gauge their vote share and convert that right into a seat is virtually impossible anybody tries
32:46that good luck to them we know it is not possible scientifically it's not possible second thing that
32:52how much he is is he doing only one-time politics of 2024 or 25 or is he focusing on 2030 that is the
33:00biggest game my my feeling is what i understand he is gaming for he is playing for 2030 as well
33:08by that time if he sustains he will certainly become at some point of time the third factor in in bhar
33:17pradeep gupta what's yours says you're smiling prashant kishore could he be the x factor in this
33:22election and what is that percentage of vote you think he needs to cross to actually become a player
33:28see in a triangle contest if at all it is definitely he has to exceed the 30 35 33 to 35 percent of the
33:38vote to get you know get going but which is very unlikely in the first election itself but i am coming
33:45to the very important point as you asked later on which is whose vote is going to cut so there are two
33:53consistency which is you can say that he is doing good at this point of time one is that youth now
34:01if you see the youth as a consistency then he is likely to cut the vote of tejasvi yaadav because
34:08on the nda no youth is there in fact in in case of maha gadbandhan at least at you can say that rahul gandhi
34:15is there tejasvi is there and all that and he himself being a youth so in that sense he is like
34:22likely to get some vote of youth which is coming largely on the account of uh tejasvi yaadav the
34:30second thing is that he himself belonging to the upper caste which is he himself is a brahman in this
34:36case the upper caste vote generally gets uh you know skewed towards the nda in that case he's likely
34:43to get some vote from the nda this thing so whatever vote he gets he's hundred percent okay what that
34:49hundred percent will be we don't know but whatever that hundred percent of his vote is coming from the
34:57largely from the youth and from the upper caste of the society unless muslims get sift okay so that's
35:04bad i have i have just 30 seconds i'm going to ask each of you 10 seconds each to predict amitabh tiwari
35:14predict what's most likely to happen in bihar no see i mean it's a it's a close contest with a slight edge
35:21to nda because of the uh cash teams which they have announced and the social block which they have
35:27and also prashant kishore is largely going to spoil the prospects close contest
35:32close contest with an edge to nda is what you're saying yashwan deshmukh what's your prediction as
35:38at the start of the race well if they manage to win again it will be only only because of the traction
35:44of among the female voters and connect of female voters of nitish kumar if they are unable to win
35:49largely it will be because of the upper caste consolidation and other youth consolidation for
35:53prasant kishore i mean if that backfires for the nda they might lose right okay let me give the final
36:02word to you pradeep gupta now you have to predict no smiling anymore give me a number or or at least
36:08give me the direction direction i does not have any kind of number or prediction whatsoever but all i can
36:16tell you is this in bihar particularly assembly election we have seen in last three to five
36:21assembly elections the others apart from voters voting for these two alliances in the excess of
36:2920 percent for sure sometime it is 45 percent sometime it is 27 percent so this 25 to uh 27
36:37plus another uh 10 to 15 percent there are about 35 to 40 percent floating voter this time in bihar even
36:45they don't know whom to vote at this point of time so i keep my okay pradeep gupta by using you are
36:53putting your money in your pocket you are playing safe as we all are as we can sense bihar can always
37:00throw up surprises so pollsters are also playing safe we'll wait and see what happens in the battle
37:06of bihar but good to have all three of you on the show tonight thank you very much for joining me i want to
37:11turn from there from bihar to a complete shift in focus what should have been relief for a common cold
37:17has turned into a silent killer in madhya pradesh and rajasthan a bottle of cough syrup trusted by young
37:25parents and their children has now sadly left behind graves instead of giggles families in madhya pradesh
37:32are mourning the death of their children today the government acted but acted against the doctor who gave
37:38the cough syrup in chindwara but what of the regulatory agencies what indeed of the pharmaceutical
37:45companies who will be held accountable take a look at the cough syrup killer story
37:52who would have thought that a bottle of cough syrup could turn killer of kids
38:17young lives in madhya pradesh and rajasthan are lost the home of three-year 11-month-old usaid is
38:27now filled with silence and sorrow his father yasin an auto rickshaw driver sold his vehicle to pay for
38:36his son's treatment spending over 3.5 lakh rupees but still unable to save the child's life yasin said that
38:45when his son fell ill on august 21st he took him to a local doctor as usual who prescribed cold
38:54rift cough syrup after taking the syrup usaid's condition only worsened
39:00the child's mother and grandmother
39:30broke down broke down while speaking about his upcoming birthday where he would have turned four
39:37he loaned us ke papa aaj la re thodi there may told to take the a cycle will allow us
39:42go we told okay or over hand in the lake boom tata
39:46go we told him to take a look at the house of the house of the house of the house of the house of the house
39:59Then there is five-year-old Adnan.
40:22His father runs a small customer service center in Chindwara's Parasya.
40:27He borrowed money from neighbors and friends but could not save his child.
40:57This happened to my children.
41:01Do you need any action to the government?
41:04That today, the president is also here.
41:06They are giving him home.
41:06They have a home for their home.
41:08They also have to break.
41:10They have to break.
41:12They have to break.
41:14They have to break.
41:15Shattered families are now seeking justice, asking, who killed our kids?
41:30With Ravish Bal, Bureau Report, India Today.
41:35Simple question, who should be held accountable for these cough syrup debts?
41:45The doctors, the drug manufacturers or indeed the regulator?
41:49Joining me now, Dr. Divyan Singh, President of the Residence Doctors Association, KGMU
41:54and Dr. Nihar Parikh, a leading pediatrician.
41:57I appreciate both of you joining us.
41:59Let me come to you, Dr. Parikh.
42:00Who do you think should be held accountable?
42:02A doctor, which is sitting in Chindwara, who is today in jail?
42:06Or should it be drug regulators or should it be the pharma companies?
42:11Rajdeep, let me start by saying that it is highly unfortunate for something to happen.
42:17Now, it's very important to understand what has gone wrong.
42:21It's the basic cost-cutting mechanism of a pharmaceutical company to make cheap drugs
42:28and increase their profit margin that makes them use industrial-grade ingredients
42:35rather than pharmaceutical-grade ingredients.
42:38And that's the main reason why this contamination of using industrial-grade polyethylene glycol,
42:46which is contaminated by diethylene glycol and ethylene glycol, also known as DEG and EG,
42:52which otherwise would not have been present if pharmaceutical-grade polyethylene glycol was used in these cough syrups.
43:01The reason why is because pharmaceutical-grade is way more expensive than industrial-grade,
43:07the manufacturing company to cut costs to increase profit margins has used the industrial-grade.
43:13And this is not the first time this has happened, actually.
43:19So you're saying the pharma companies to cut corners or to cut costs have deliberately contaminated the syrup?
43:28Not deliberately.
43:30Their job, their whole motto was to procure cheaper ingredients.
43:35And when cheaper ingredients are being procured, even before it goes to the hands of the pharmacist
43:43to be prescribed by the doctor to the children, it has to go through checking protocols
43:50which were not followed, costs were cut there.
43:53Money was not spent to get a green signal from bodies that are supposed to quantify the amount
44:01of DEG or EG in the syrups.
44:05And hence, eventually, all these cost-cutting mechanisms, reaching the doctor,
44:11maybe incentivizing the doctor to write these of, you know, uncharacterized or low-grade brands.
44:18And it's an entire chain of responsibility that has to start from the manufacturer to the doctor.
44:25Okay, let me bring in Dr. Divyan Singh there.
44:32For Dr. Divyan Singh, the Indian Medical Association has come out strongly in support of the doctors
44:36saying they are being scapegoated.
44:38Do you believe that the doctors are being scapegoated?
44:41Do they have no responsibility, accountability at all?
44:46Rajdeepji, if we have to look at this incidence technically,
44:50so I totally agree with the Indian Medical Association.
44:54Why? Because we are talking about a substance that was added to the medication.
45:00We are talking about this DEG, which is not supposed to be there in the medications.
45:07Now, we have to understand that as we are prescribing a medication as a doctor,
45:12we cannot see through the medication that what is present in there,
45:16unless it is not present on the label.
45:18So, when we are talking about DEG, DEG is not supposed to be there in that cup syrup.
45:24I will add to what my colleague, Dr. Saab said.
45:30So, you are saying that you cannot blame the doctor.
45:34How is he to know that the...
45:35You are saying how can the doctor know that that particular medicine he is giving is contaminated?
45:41Do you agree with that, Dr. Niyar Parik?
45:44It's unfair to blame the doctor in the system.
45:47And can you blame the regulator at all?
45:50So, what happens is once it's available in the pharmacy,
45:55I think the responsibility of the doctor does not exist,
46:00because I feel that if it's there,
46:03the medication has been represented to the doctor by the company.
46:07We focus on the sickness, the ingredients in the medication.
46:13But I, as a doctor, always believe that the better the brand,
46:19the more reliable the brand,
46:21lesser the chances of these falsely used ingredients,
46:27lesser the chances of good companies cutting costs.
46:30I agree that a doctor's responsibility is not to make sure that the medication contains all clear ingredients.
46:39But as a doctor, it is my job that the brands that I prescribe to my patients
46:44are of companies that have been known for years.
46:48Maybe the drug is a little expensive,
46:50but not at the cost of losing a child's life.
46:54I think those are words that hopefully will echo.
47:01Maybe someone out there will ensure that the pharma companies that are cutting costs
47:06and thereby possibly costing lives are also held accountable.
47:10In this case, remember, it's a company from Tamil Nadu,
47:13and they must be also paying the price.
47:16Human lives cannot come so cheap in a country like ours.
47:20I appreciate the two doctors joining me on the show today.
47:24I want to stay with the doctor's story
47:25because a late-night fire in Jaipur's largest government hospital
47:30has left at least seven people dead
47:32and exposed shocking lapses in safety.
47:36Outrage is mounting.
47:38So are many questions,
47:39particularly as there are allegations that the hospital staff fled the scene.
47:44Take a look at Get Real India.
47:46A devastating fire tore through the intensive care unit
47:52of Jaipur's Savai Mansingh hospital late Sunday night,
47:57engulfing the trauma center in thick smoke and flames.
48:01Family members, desperate and terrified,
48:04were seen carrying patients,
48:06some still on their beds,
48:09onto the streets in a frantic bid to save lives.
48:12The police claimed multiple lives
48:17and exposed shocking safety lapses
48:20at Rajasthan's largest government hospital.
48:26India today is inside the intensive care unit
48:28of Swai Mansingh hospital,
48:30which got engulfed in fire because of short circuit.
48:33You can see the tell-tale signs of the fire
48:35that engulfed this entire portion.
48:38Even though attempts were made by several of the people
48:42who had arrived later on to move them out of this area,
48:46but clearly some of the patients
48:48could not survive the fire that engulfed
48:51and allegedly the hospital authorities
48:54were unaware of the magnitude of the fire
48:57that had engulfed the ICU.
48:59Reports revealed the fire spread rapidly,
49:03filling the ICU with smoke within minutes.
49:06Family members accused the hospital of dross negligence,
49:11claiming warnings about smoke were ignored.
49:15Staff fled the scene
49:16and fire extinguishers were either missing
49:20or non-functional.
49:24The family members of the patient mentioning
49:27that there was no one from the hospital staff present
49:30inside the intensive care unit
49:32to try to save some of the lives
49:34which probably could have been saved
49:36had the hospital staff acted in time.
49:40At the time of the incident,
49:42210 patients were in the hospital,
49:45with only one staff member on duty in each ICU.
49:50Families accused the administration
49:52of trying to conceal the extent
49:54of the disaster and the dead bodies.
49:57into a hospital staff paired together to try to
50:02何nd by the hospital staff
50:03and to speak to their immune cells in the hospital,
50:05to keep checking in their toplam
50:06and пробurates…
50:07And the hospital staff disappeared.
50:07The hospital staff went to报인이
50:08Can also come on and see
50:09his work
50:26that the patient will not be able to get out of 4-5 patients."
50:32Prime Minister Narendra Modi expressed his condolences and wished a speedy recovery to
50:37the injured.
50:38Chief Minister Bhajan Lal Sharma visited the hospital to take stock of the situation and
50:44ordered a swift investigation, tasking a committee to examine the cause of the fire, hospital
50:51safety protocols, response efforts and steps to prevent such tragedies in the future.
50:59This disaster is a burning question mark on the safety of those who put their trust in
51:05our healthcare system.
51:07With Devankar Vadhavan and Jaipur, Bureau Report, India Today.
51:14Now tension has grabbed North Bengal's Nagarakatta area.
51:24This after a BJP MP there, Khagain Murmu and MLA Shankar Ghosh were attacked by a mob while
51:30they were visiting the flood affected areas.
51:33Video of the incidents have surfaced with the bloodied BJP MPs face.
51:38His car windshield shattered emerging along with MLA Shankar Ghosh who also suffered minor
51:44injuries and his clothes were torn.
51:48The attack has raised political temperatures in a state that goes to the polls next year.
51:52The BJP says the TMC government has orchestrated the attack and it's a symbol of Jangal Raj in
51:58the state.
51:59The TMC for its part claims that there were locals who are angry with the MP and MLA who
52:05were responsible for the attack but clearly this attack has pushed the Mamta Banerjee government
52:10on the back foot particularly at a time when you would expect political unity because over
52:1620 people have died in the landslides and incessant rain and floods that have gripped Darjeeling
52:22and much of that part of the country.
52:25Today's ground report comes from Darjeeling.
52:35Flash floods and landslides triggered by relentless rains have left a trail of death and devastation
52:41in Darjeeling and Jalpaiguri districts of West Bengal.
52:45Mirik in Darjeeling is the worst hit.
52:52In Sorini village in Mirk four members of a family died as boulders buried their house.
53:04This is the house where four occupants were inside when suddenly flash flood came and suddenly
53:10the boulders fell and when those four occupants tried to come out of their residences they
53:17went under the debris.
53:18Efforts were made to take them out but finally they could not be taken out.
53:25Some of the people called us to like rescue the other people but at the night time we were
53:31not able to rescue them.
53:32Six people were buried here alive among them.
53:35Two of the child was rescued and the rest four was died on the spot.
53:42The Doodhya-Iyan bridge that links Mirik and Ker-Seong collapsed in the flash floods, cutting
53:47off many villages.
53:48A few buildings near the bridge suffered damage.
54:09While the med department has forecast rains in North Bengal till Tuesday, it has projected
54:22a dip in the intensity of rainfall.
54:24With Tapas Kumar Sen Gupta, Bureau Report, India Today.
54:39Sad thoughts and prayers there with the people of Darjeeling.
54:46Now while you have incessant rainfall in some parts of the country even in the first week
54:53of October.
54:54Guess what?
54:55Other parts of the country including Gulmar, Uttarakhand and Kedarnath are experiencing the
54:59first snowfall of 2025.
55:01That's the kind of climate change that we are seeing in this country.
55:04Heavy rains and floods in some parts unexpectedly and early snow in other parts.
55:11That's why climate change is here to stay.
55:19Jaihin Namaskar.
55:20News without the noise.
55:21Bye for now.
55:22Jaihin Namaskar.
55:23News without the noise.
55:24Bye for now.
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