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00:00It's not every day that work brings you to one of your favorite states in the country,
00:19the breezy, balmy, beautiful Goa. And our next guest on Unpolitics is the man who is running
00:27with the show where Goa is concerned. Coming at the back of fair amounts of controversy,
00:33he is in an election year, very important for him. Let's listen in to Chief Minister of
00:38Goa, Mr. Pramodhsar.
00:40The first time there is a charge that some are saying Goa is being Hinduised a lot.
00:44Every place is the temple, every place is the assertion of Hinduism. Is it correct?
00:48In a very crude terminology that we discuss in the studio, when Goa is being Hinduised a
00:55lot, that is the same thing. The same thing is that Goa is being Hinduised a lot.
01:01Is it correct? In a very crude terminology that we discuss in the studio, that when Goa is
01:06There is a new terminology that we discuss in the studios, that when we talk about Goa, we talk about money.
01:11MLAs are weighed in money, not so much in ideology.
01:14Tourists complain about a cartel where taxis are concerned.
01:18Law and order is becoming a problem, which was not before. Goa was the safest place.
01:22They are responsible for everyone.
01:24Goa is also responsible for people who come here.
01:27They are responsible for the rules of the state.
01:31How should a tourist come and spend one day in your state?
01:35Do you go to the beach, put your feet up and chill with the Goa vibe?
01:39Or how do you spend your time?
01:41Whenever you get time, I spend time with you.
01:50Sir, it's an honor and a privilege to have you here.
01:53We are very glad because it's gotten us away from the terrible pollution and the air in Delhi to Goa.
02:00So, thank you for giving us your time.
02:03As is the nature of our show, Mr. Savant, I will request you.
02:09I know you are the Chief Minister. You are the man in charge.
02:11You run the show where Goa is concerned.
02:13You have come back for a second term.
02:15You are in an election year.
02:16But our show begins with our guest introducing himself or herself to our viewers.
02:22How will the Chief Minister of Goa introduce himself to our listeners and our viewers today?
02:28First of all, thank you very much.
02:30Thank you very much.
02:31Thank you very much.
02:33Thank you very much.
02:34Thank you very much.
02:35I'll be calling you an opportunity.
02:36Thank you for taking your time.
02:37I've been trying to do things to be on the future.
02:38You know, not as the Chief Minister,
02:41I have been trying to do things against the government.
02:43I'm going to be trying to do things like how to do things like this.
02:45I mean, the public service,
02:46I'm working to do things like that.
02:47My background is for social services.
02:52I am very close to the party.
02:55I worked on the social sector and NGO sector.
02:59I worked on different social issues.
03:03I wanted to take a look at the Raja Niti.
03:08Late Chief Minister Svarghis Manohar Bhai Parikar
03:12I worked on the Raja Niti.
03:17I was working on the Raja Niti.
03:21I was working on the Raja Niti.
03:26I am the administrator.
03:30I am the boss.
03:32I have never had this feeling.
03:34I have to understand and listen to people.
03:38As for this reason, I am and this time,
03:42I will continue to take over 7 years.
03:45I am focuses on my business to work on the Raja,
03:48and I am now doing a reform process.
03:51I do my work on the Raja Niti.
03:53I am working on the Raja Niti.
03:55I am not going to go through the Raja Niti,
03:57but that's why I am working on this Raja Niti.
04:00I am doing a reform process.
04:02I am working on the Raja Niti.
04:04I will do something to do with the cultural change.
04:08In Gowa, the tourist and industrialist慢ia,
04:11there are some types of industrialism that are also for an infrastructure,
04:14whether this process is an infrastructure development or human resource development,
04:21that's why we will have new reforms to be able to use,
04:25that there are some other jobs that I can continuously
04:28to continue working on the Chief Minister's leadership.
04:33I also think that this is the responsibility that my party has given me and I have to work continuously continuously for the Lord.
04:43And in this situation, I myself, I don't think that it is the responsibility of the Lord.
04:49We always say that the responsibility of the Lord is to work continuously continuously for the Lord.
04:55This is my responsibility and this is my responsibility.
04:58It's a reminder of Pradhan Mantri.
05:03You don't say Pradhan Mantri or Pradhan Sevak.
05:06You don't say Pradhan Mantri or Pradhan Sevak of Goa.
05:11The Pradhan Mantri doesn't say Pradhan Sevak.
05:14They do not say Pradhan Sevak.
05:17They work on Pradhan Sevak.
05:19I say that continuously, since 2014 has been completed,
05:25because the work they are doing for the whole country,
05:29definitely, they have been making progress in the world.
05:32They have put change, change and change in the country to Kashmir.
05:36They have made many different paths to the other sectors.
05:38They have now seen the work in Kashmir in every sector.
05:40All these things are happening in the country,
05:41and I also think that they have given me true value.
05:44I also think they have taken advantage of me because this is the responsibility given by my party.
05:47I believe myself as a savior, because this is a responsibility given by my party.
05:55Savan sahab, you talk about the Prime Minister with a lot of reverence.
06:00You also are known as the blue-eyed boy of Manohar Parikar.
06:04You know, where he picked you, you were in your 11th standard.
06:07He came to your house, your father was a machine operator.
06:10You were in a very different direction.
06:14The influence of your life, if you think of a political leader, who would you be?
06:21I would say that, first of all, my father was my father.
06:26And the political influence was Manohar Parikar.
06:30They brought me to me in the government.
06:32And they came to me in the government.
06:35Since I was from the 10th-11th standard, I knew Manohar Parikar.
06:41I was directly one-to-one with them.
06:44So, I could come here.
06:47Afterwards, one time before I came to the Raja Niti,
06:52whether it's Chaiwababad, Atal Bihari Vajpayee Ji, Adwani Ji and Modi Ji,
06:56So, continuously, our political leaders,
06:59who are the most important part of their work,
07:01their own support, their own work,
07:03their own momentum,
07:05their own work continuously.
07:07They work continuously.
07:09They work continuously.
07:11They work continuously.
07:12So, I think we have a very important part of that.
07:14You know, we will talk about your politics going forward,
07:16but I want to take you back.
07:18I was reading some of your interviews,
07:20and what I was really...
07:21What caught me was when you said that I left a government job,
07:25and when I had a job, I used to make 4,000 rupees.
07:283,000 rupees used to go in petrol.
07:30I would save 1,000 rupees.
07:33When you reflect back on that, today you are the chief minister.
07:37Did you ever imagine it would happen?
07:39Yes.
07:40After my career started,
07:42I joined the IRVD college as a medical officer.
07:49And his career started with 4,000 rupees.
07:52And 3,000 rupees used to go in fuel?
07:54Yes.
07:55I used to go on a bike,
07:58so, 3,000 rupees used to go in fuel.
08:00After 9 months, I left my job and started my practice.
08:06In my village, I started my practice.
08:11Continuously, I practiced my practice for 6 years.
08:16And for the people of the village,
08:19I had to practice both times.
08:21It is a 24 by 7.
08:23It is available for them.
08:25Along with that, I started my NGO then,
08:29which is Sai Life Care.
08:31I worked in social sectors,
08:34the health sector,
08:35the education sector,
08:36the AIDS awareness sector,
08:38the government of India,
08:40the government of Goa,
08:41and along with the private sectors,
08:43I started my work.
08:45And I started my work in social sector.
08:50Then I joined the government service.
08:54As a class 1,
08:56graduated officer as an Ayurvedic physician.
08:59In the year 2002,
09:01continuously 5 years as an Ayurvedic physician,
09:04in the government of Goa,
09:05after the direct aid of health services,
09:07when Manohar Ji Parikar Ji said,
09:11that I wanted to come to the government.
09:13Then I resigned the government's job.
09:18I'd come in full-time in the politics.
09:21And I started my journey as a political.
09:23But what made you do that, Savan Sahib? To say that I will give up a government job, I will join politics.
09:29Your father was in politics. You had a lot of RSS influence, and to have an RSS influence in Goa is also interesting to the outsider, though RSS has very strong roots in Goa.
09:42But how did it happen? How did that transition into politics happen?
09:46My father was involved in RSS and his work with the RSS.
09:54I was involved in RSS as a leader.
10:02I was involved in RSS. My father was involved in RSS.
10:10My father was involved in the election at the 5th level.
10:14He had never won the Panchaid elections.
10:16Then he joined the Bharatiya Janata Party since the beginning of the 1991s.
10:20Since the 1991s, he worked on the mandal level.
10:24So he got once the opportunity to contest the Jilla Panchaid elections.
10:28He won that election.
10:29And Jilla Panchaid was still there.
10:32He had contested the elections of Vidan Sabha during the Janasanga, Janta Party.
10:38And he had lost that election.
10:40In the 1980s.
10:41He had lost that election.
10:42In the 1980s.
10:43He didn't have the Janta Party.
10:44He became a Janta Party.
10:45He became a Janta Party.
10:46After that, he became a Janta Party.
10:47And at that time, I realized that my father would not be able to win.
10:49He would never win.
10:50He would never win.
10:51He would never win.
10:52For the whole party, I decided to win.
10:53I decided to win.
10:54And then they would win.
10:55When it became in 1979, the등 was signed.
10:57And when it became in 1979, the Jambi Pitaj didn't contested.
11:00I was in the standard six-seven-to-seven.
11:04So I felt like when I was in the second phase of the Jambi past.
11:09The second thing is that the social sector has to do the work of people in the government.
11:24We cannot only do the work of the government.
11:31The party has given me the opportunity to contest the election.
11:36How did your parents actually see the struggle of your father
11:45and then to see their son be the chief minister?
11:49Yes, of course.
11:50You said the right thing.
11:53My mother is not.
11:55My mother had seen the struggle in my family.
11:59My father was not able to win one election.
12:04He had to win three or four times in the first election.
12:07After a big election, they were almost at the age of 65-68.
12:17And now I am the chief minister.
12:20That is a big achievement in my family.
12:22Big achievement.
12:23For you also?
12:24Yes.
12:25My mother was not able to watch.
12:27I was a speaker when I was my mother.
12:30But all my family members appreciate it.
12:33Even though my villagers appreciate it.
12:35I have come from the very small village of Dukothambi.
12:39It is a very remotest village.
12:42From this village to become a chief minister, it is a very big thing.
12:48It is only possible because of the Bharatiya Janta Party.
12:51Otherwise, it is not possible.
12:52Without having a political background, it is not possible in any political party.
12:57It is only possible in the Bharatiya Janta Party.
13:00Do you have any memory of Mr. Parikar's story?
13:05Because you are the one who initiated you into politics in Goa.
13:14There are many stories.
13:17But I remember that when I had a contest,
13:23I was sitting at my PhD in Ayurvedic.
13:27I had a phone directly to Parikar Ji.
13:30I had a phone call in the Leader of Opposition's Cabin.
13:37I came to the cabin in the morning,
13:40and they told me that you have to be a contested election.
13:45Which is a shock for me.
13:46I had directly said that you have to be a contested election.
13:50And he was also bipolar.
13:52And he said,
13:54I will fight.
13:55But you want to take the risk.
13:57We were both the Congress of Congress.
14:02The Congress of Central,
14:03and the Congress of Central,
14:04and the Congress of Central.
14:05You have to take the risk.
14:06You are ready to take the risk.
14:07Without the risk,
14:08there is no risk without the risk.
14:10Yes, but they also gave a self-worth.
14:13If there is something in the next election,
14:15you can win the next election.
14:16This is a complete confidence!
14:17I said,
14:18if you did it,
14:19then I am ready to resign.
14:21I am ready to resign.
14:22I was ready to be ready!
14:25He gave a confidence.
14:26Because of that confidence,
14:27he was the only one who was the biggest leader in the state.
14:32He is the tallest leader in the state.
14:35Tallest and very simple.
14:37Yeah, he is very simple.
14:39And he was able to do anything on him.
14:42I was able to do everything on him.
14:45And I had returned to him.
14:47And I had contested the elections.
14:50I lost at elections.
14:51But then I was continuously working for the party,
14:54working with my constituency, working in the state.
14:57When you lost, what did he say?
14:59I lost that election in 2008.
15:03Yes.
15:04During that time, October 2008.
15:06After that election lost,
15:09I started with my constituency.
15:12What did Parikar Ji say to you?
15:14Parikar Ji said,
15:15that you will continue your work.
15:18Definitely, the next election you will win.
15:22He gave confidence to me.
15:24Because that confidence is very important.
15:28And after that election,
15:30I started working in my constituency.
15:32And even though the state has given me
15:35the political post of the BJYM youth president of the state,
15:41that is big for me.
15:43So, I have worked throughout the state.
15:45From the Penham to Cancone,
15:47in the whole state,
15:48I have built the youth organization of the states.
15:52So, from 2008,
15:54continuously,
15:55then,
15:56till 2014,
15:57today's new adyaksh,
15:58Nitin Nabeen Ji,
15:59he is also the general secretary in the central Yuva Morgha.
16:02That time, I was the vice president in the BJYM.
16:05That is,
16:06Anurag Ji Thakur is the president of the Bharatiya Janta Party,
16:09Yuva Morgha,
16:10at that time.
16:11So, you have all come from there.
16:12So, you know Nitin Nabeen Ji all the way back,
16:15to 2012.
16:16Yes.
16:17Where you were senior to him,
16:18and now he is your party president.
16:20Yes.
16:21Of course.
16:22No, no.
16:23He is senior to me.
16:24He is that time the MLA.
16:25Yeah.
16:26He is that time.
16:27He is MLA in 2006 actually.
16:28But he is that time,
16:29first the state youth president,
16:32then he is the general secretary in the Yuva Morgha.
16:34And you are the vice president?
16:35Yes.
16:36I am the vice president.
16:37You are the vice president.
16:38So, you know all of them since then?
16:39Yes.
16:40Since then.
16:41Yes.
16:42With them,
16:43I have several programs,
16:44whether it be Tiranga, Lehera, Laal Chok,
16:46Jambu, Kashmir,
16:47or from Guwahati to Tawang,
16:51in the 1962 war,
16:55to remove the parliament against Morgha.
17:00You have worked with him very closely.
17:02Yes.
17:03Yes.
17:04Yes.
17:05And he is the president.
17:06Recently,
17:07Nitin Nabinjimaani Adyaksh.
17:09He is a very good program here.
17:12He has got his work to kill all the people.
17:15This is a very big thing for us.
17:18When you have a conversation in private,
17:20you are the president.
17:22You are the president of Nitin.
17:24After all, he is an Astri Adyaksh now.
17:26He is my friend,
17:29but now he is an Astri Adyaksh.
17:31Now you have to give him that respect.
17:33Yes.
17:34He is a big boss of party.
17:35So you have to give him that respect.
17:37Saman Sahib, I want to ask you a question.
17:41Your RSS affiliation was very strongly.
17:45And the RSS in Goa,
17:47it may be shocking how ingrained the RSS has been in Goa.
17:54Right from the beginning.
17:56But the cultural contradiction is in Goa.
18:00How is it growing up by being a RSS guarder in Goa as a young man?
18:05Yes.
18:06I just want to say that in Goa,
18:08the RSS of the right is the moment.
18:11The RSS of the right is the RSS of the right.
18:14The RSS of the right is the big leader of the Karnataka in Goa.
18:16They are at liberation in Goa.
18:18And in 1955, when the RSS of the right is the RSS of the right is the power of the right.
18:20When the war was removed from the war, there was a lot of freedom fighters who came from the country and came from here.
18:33For this reason, I didn't say that the work of RSS in Gowa didn't have any new work.
18:38After liberation, the work was very big.
18:41In both districts, North and South Gowa district, there was a work that came from home.
18:50The work of RSS in Gowa was attached to all of the RSS leaders in Gowa.
18:55That's why RSS in every town, the work of RSS in every town was a great place.
19:01The work of RSS in the education sector and the rest of the RSS, the work of RSS is now related to the RSS.
19:08You said that the culture here is an advanced culture.
19:17We see that the work of RSS in Gowa and the work of RSS.
19:23The work of RSS in Gowa and the work of RSS.
19:28Also, the Portuguese influence?
19:30Of course.
19:31The Portuguese influence is here.
19:33The French influence is here.
19:34In the whole country, the British influence has been a member of the British.
19:39Here is a group of 4-4-5-5-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5.
19:46After living there, the Sanskrit is also a great thing.
19:48This is one of the great things.
19:50We see that Sanskrit.
19:53There are ancient temples here.
19:57And in every temple,
20:00you will always see the Sanskrit tradition.
20:07This is the Sanskrit tradition that people have kept here.
20:11There is a charge, Savan Sahib.
20:14There was a cultural symmetry in Goa
20:17where the Christians, the Portuguese culture used to subsist
20:20and also the Hindu culture with their temple.
20:22Aajkal a charge hai by some who are saying,
20:25Goa is being Hinduized a lot.
20:28Har jage temple, har jage assertion of Hinduism.
20:31Is it correct?
20:33I will not say that in Goa,
20:35as the Sarva Dharma Samabhao ki stiti haj bhi hain,
20:38Goa mein jitne sara importance temple ko diya jata hai,
20:41utna sara importance churches ko bhi diya jata hai.
20:44It is approximately the 20 to 23% of the people
20:48in the Catholic community.
20:49They are staying together.
20:51Salu se eek saath me rehke aya hai.
20:53Goa mein vahe ka hoon ga ki goa ke freedom struggle me,
20:56joh hindu ke saath-saath catholic loog bhi joh samil te.
20:59Kya hain ka pintos revolts,
21:02uts ka pa aaj bhi guard of honor,
21:04merhe hi karakal mein start hua hai.
21:05Isse pahle nahi hua ta.
21:06Kunkali ka bandh,
21:08aur dhipaji rane ka uthhao,
21:10joh mahi nne yaha pe guard of honor dhenne ka kama kiya,
21:12uts ke saath-saath pintos revolts,
21:14uts ke saath-saath pintos revolts,
21:16uther woh bhi merhe kama me start hua hai.
21:18Tututti aah chahi hoh ganesh-cha-turuti ho,
21:20uthya diwali ho, utha shiigots ho,
21:22uts ke hain hasha kito catholic loog hindu ho,
21:24uts ke hindi ho kar-saath to ke ghar pere atate hain,
21:26uts ke chahi woh kris-mas ho,
21:28uts ke hindi ho kari nival ho,
21:30uts ke hindu loog, uts ke hain hain hindi ho,
21:32uts ke hiindu ho, uts ke hain hindi ho,
21:34uts ke bahti hua bahti me,
21:36kuch raiwali hain,
21:37jagra hua, apko kabhi nahi dikkega.
21:39Jis tera se bakhi states mein,
21:41on a religious basis, which are the places where we can't see it from here,
21:46we can't even see it from here.
21:48That's why, what people say,
21:51is there excess Hinduization?
21:53No, no.
21:55How can we say this?
21:58Recently, when the exposition of St. Francis Xavier,
22:03the exposition of the exposition,
22:06the government had spent a crores of rupees on that exposition.
22:10The foreign gas, those who are coming, that much, the VVIP treatment.
22:13I don't even know this.
22:15The priests of the churches, they are saying that,
22:18that this exposition has never been made for me.
22:21Every 10 years after this exposition,
22:24there are three exposition in the BGP government.
22:27There is one exposition in my government.
22:30The most important and the most important thing happened.
22:33That's why I am saying that,
22:35along with the Hindu Sanskritic,
22:38we are promoting more Hinduism.
22:41As such, it is not.
22:42No doubt, there is an event.
22:43Prabhu Ramachandra Ji,
22:4477 feet,
22:45that is the biggest statue in the country at present now.
22:47So, definitely, the people will see,
22:50the maximum the tourists will come.
22:51That is also there.
22:52But with this exposition,
22:53it is also there.
22:54Next month, there is a carnival.
22:56Next month, there is a Hindu festival.
22:57It is also there.
22:58It is also there.
22:59It is also there.
23:00It is a Hindu festival.
23:01Both the festivals we are doing as a state festival.
23:03It is also there.
23:04It is also there.
23:05But with this exposition,
23:06it is also there.
23:07Next month, there is a carnival.
23:09Next month, there is a carnival.
23:11Next month, there is also a Hindu festival.
23:15Both the festivals we are doing as a state festival.
23:18in the Pangem and the bigger cities,
23:20there are two flood parades.
23:22That is why,
23:23no one can charge this because we are promoting more of the Hindu message.
23:27One country or the other.
23:28The first state of the Uniform Civil Code is the first one.
23:32It is Goa state.
23:34Whether it is birth, death or marriage registration.
23:38And since from the beginning,
23:39during the Portuguese regime,
23:41we used to register our birth, death, property, even the marriage.
23:45Now, the Uniform Civil Code is still happening in the country.
23:49Recently, it has happened in Uttarakhand.
23:51So, when the state is Goa,
23:53the state should not be charged with Goa.
23:57I think we are in an advanced state
24:02with the highest per capita income,
24:05with the 100% literacy system.
24:06But you are still in debt?
24:08That is secondary.
24:10But the highest per capita income is also there.
24:13In advanced infrastructure,
24:15with the 100% literacy system.
24:17But you have a 19% unemployment rate,
24:20despite of a very good literacy rate.
24:23But when the 19% literacy rate comes,
24:26I will say one thing.
24:28Unemployment rate?
24:29Sorry.
24:30When the 19% unemployment rate comes,
24:32people prefer to be in the government job,
24:36or the white collar job.
24:37And the maximum people who are migrating from the rest of the states
24:42are from Goa.
24:43So, when the literacy rate comes out,
24:46it is not only the Goans,
24:47it is considered the rest of the rest of the government.
24:49That is why the unemployment rate is increased.
24:52I will say that there are so many opportunities in the state,
24:57whether in the private sector,
24:59whether in the tourism sector,
25:00whether in the industrial sector,
25:02whether in the pharma industries,
25:03shipbuilding industries,
25:04fishing industries,
25:05manufacturing industries.
25:07And now,
25:08with the advanced industrialization
25:10which is sustainable,
25:11there are so many opportunities.
25:13So,
25:14there is no such opportunity for people here.
25:16There is no such opportunity for unemployment.
25:21C.M.
25:22I want to ask you a question
25:24on your various elections
25:26that you fought on your political career.
25:28Because,
25:29it has been tumultuous
25:30and it hasn't been easy for you.
25:32Your last election,
25:33you actually won less than a thousand votes.
25:35666, if I'm not wrong,
25:37was the margin of victory.
25:39It was a very close call.
25:41There were murmurs
25:43that maybe the C.M.
25:44is going to be changed,
25:45but that never happened.
25:46You are still right here.
25:48You are going into an election here.
25:50And,
25:51you know,
25:52how are you stitching together
25:53your campaign
25:54and your party's campaign,
25:55keeping all of this in mind?
25:57Now,
25:58you are also talking about the whole
25:59of my constituents.
26:01I want to say,
26:02one thing,
26:03I want to say,
26:04that last time,
26:05there was no confidence
26:07to people
26:08because
26:09human beings will win this therefore.
26:11The People of Penguins will come back here.
26:12But,
26:13Imitating
26:14my confidence
26:15is on my work,
26:16I believe
26:17on my employees
26:18and the party
26:19and the government of the double engine.
26:20I won't give up
26:21the Honorable Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
26:23That's why
26:24the Honorable Prime Minister Narendra Modi Ji.
26:25The Honorable Prime Minister Narendra Modi Ji
26:26was the strongest
26:27of the Congress.
26:28that our strength is our Honorable Prime Minister Narendra Modi Ji and the development
26:36we did in the last 11 years in the state, because the infrastructure that we have developed
26:44here has never been done before.
26:46That's why people always say that the reforms that we can take, we can take so big reforms
26:53that we can take, we can take the reforms that we can take, we can take human resource development
26:58that we have done before.
27:00I will say that only in the education sector, we have a National Forensic Science College
27:07or International School of Law or the private university, the parole university, the MIT
27:13University, the Ghanapad University which the Marine courses have started, along with the
27:18IIT, NIT, Aayush Institute is one of the best institute in the country which is established
27:24in the state.
27:25Only because of the double engine it is possible.
27:28Along with that and the skill development that we are talking about, we have started with
27:35all ITS, we have started with hospitality related courses.
27:39There are so many opportunities for the youth who are available here.
27:44It's because I will say that my belief in our strategist will help our work.
27:49And when their government and disilleton sites work together, as we have got support
27:54Cinnamon Goins on the side.
27:55Then if they can do that again, it will not help us to our job to make up necessary for
28:01some employers.
28:03Because the government and corporates work really well.
28:06Their project will help prove an analogue in advance.
28:07Because we further don't focus предлож help us.
28:09The foreign迫.
28:10We do not post a трав pytor chirp projects, because we do not perform any role.
28:12We don't do things, we don't do it.
28:16If we do it into an attempt to support a lot of people who are doing it,
28:22just require people to reach the foreign政府,
28:24whether it's the government or the government government for it.
28:29Therefore, the government at your doorstep,
28:32the government to reach the end of that work,
28:35we have started one more time.
28:38In this situation, we have to convert each other to the people who are doing the work that we are doing, and we are doing the work that we are doing in the future.
28:55That's why I have full faith in this situation that we can connect with each other.
29:00I continuously, either me, otherwise my cabinet has been a colleague every month,
29:07either with the interaction with people, through Swahyopuna Goa program,
29:13and we are always connected with people.
29:15That's why people's trust are on the Modi ji,
29:18people's trust are on our double engine government.
29:21That's why I am not overconfident.
29:24But I am confident that our government will come back.
29:28You are right, Chief Minister, that you are confident.
29:31I have said that you will have a little trust in Congress.
29:34Last time, there was no mandate.
29:35You guys moved fast.
29:36But to keep your government together and reduce the Congress to now what it is.
29:41Some would say in Goa, it's all about money, that place where politics is concerned.
29:46But I'll also talk about the Congress.
29:48Right now, if you look at the charge, CM sir, is that you have created one more district.
29:55Till now, there were two districts in Goa, which is North Goa and South Goa.
29:58Kushawati is a district which you have created, I think, only three days ago, official,
30:02or one week ago, the official announcement.
30:05You have carved it out of South Goa.
30:07South Goa traditionally is where the Congress is strong.
30:10Now, today, the Congress is saying, all of this is clearly to weaken the party,
30:14which has already come down to four in where your assembly is concerned.
30:18Last time, there was no mandate.
30:21It was the last mandate of the government party.
30:23There were 40-20 people of the government party.
30:28There were three MLA independent parties directly with the government party.
30:31So, there were 23 MLA parties with us.
30:34Even though the alliance partner, the MGP, then they have joined for the government party.
30:40Now, they are NDA partners.
30:41So, all together, there were 25 members.
30:43Those who are going to be back, those who are going to go to the government party to be with us,
30:50so we invited them to be with us to welcome them.
30:51You just said,
30:53In that third district,
30:56the second district,
30:57the second district has been involved with the government government.
31:02The second district has been having the new district,
31:05it's necessary to be in the administrative institutions.
31:06If the first district has always been in the district's directions,
31:10the government has only been involved with the district.
31:12In the entire country, I think there are more than 70 new districts in the entire country.
31:19Some call it an aspirant district.
31:21I mean, Modi ji said that,
31:23when the district is small,
31:26the work of people will be very healthy.
31:30That's why we have been called Kushawati District in South Goa.
31:36I think that,
31:39we have to keep this work with the government.
31:43We have to put the work in the residents' certificate,
31:46like my house,
31:48and try to make new units.
31:49We have to wait for all their units.
31:52And we have to do the third district.
31:55I don't think that,
31:58in third district,
32:00could be not going to go into a party.
32:02So, when they came to South Goa,
32:05they came to their MP.
32:06That's why they came to this.
32:08There is no politics behind carving out a 3rd district in Goa.
32:18Even though the 3rd district has consequences, there is only one constituency in the Congress,
32:26the rest, all the MLA seats with the Bharati Janta Party.
32:29So it's for the better administration.
32:31There are hardly any MLAs left of the Congress in your assembly.
32:34The question that I ask is, in a very crude terminology that we discuss in the studios,
32:43that when it comes to Goa, they say money.
32:46MLAs are weighed in money, not so much in ideology.
32:49I don't like it.
32:52The Bharati Janta Party is on ideology.
32:55The Bharati Janta Party is on development.
32:58The Bharati Janta Party is on nation first.
33:01The Bharati Janta Party is on the other side of the nation first.
33:08Recently, the Congress came here.
33:12I have said that it's not for the development.
33:16I think what are the leaders of Modi jee ideology is Moe jee.
33:19Those who are very successful in the country and that they are Ladakh,
33:24they are doing so much work on the country.
33:25And they are working on so great, that lot of people are doing so good.
33:28That's why some people are looking at that.
33:30I will give this $4 million earlier to the Bharati Janta Party during the day.
33:31Since the people came here in the Congress in the last meeting,
33:36I am sorry to interrupt you, but we will talk about this closer to election, but your cabinet today and most people have been in the congress BJP three times over.
33:48It has happened. You agree, you can laugh about it, but it is true.
33:55It is true, but it is true. It is true. It is true. It is true.
34:09Fair point, sir. This I will understand. I will talk later about, you know, if Modi Ji is saying Viksit Bharat by 47, you want it by 37.
34:17We will talk about it later, but before that, where Viksit Goa is concerned,
34:21there are a few questions that emerge very strongly or you may say I want to touch on a few.
34:28Saman, 25 people died in the fire in the Birch Romeo Lane fire. 25 people died.
34:39That club was operating without a fitness certificate, without an occupancy certificate, without an NOC where fire hazard was concerned for two years.
34:50Who in your government is responsible for that? And have you taken action?
34:55It is very sad.
34:57You know, that night when I went to that venue, I arrived at the venue.
35:03I arrived at the venue at 8 o'clock.
35:05I was going to go to that venue in Chicago.
35:08I was going to turn on a scene immediately.
35:10It has been such a plan.
35:11That club had been established for a moment to be very rich.
35:13By the way, my personal job is established.
35:14The club has been given action.
35:15So I started action.
35:16Almost more than six to seven people have been suspended.
35:20More than nine to ten people have been arrested.
35:22They have been arrested.
35:24They are behind the bars.
35:26to build the materials and the need for them to build the materials of the government and
35:33government of the government has made up of wood, which has made up of wood, which had
35:42been done in the city and the city.
35:44So we have all the projects that have provided us for the government.
35:46The government and there have been tools that can help us for the government.
35:48The government has made this your work to intend to improve the economic situation and
35:51My labor department will be able to provide the support of my labor department.
35:56I will say that this kind of durgatana will not be in Goa.
36:02That's why we are tightening the entire administration.
36:07Because in Goa, there was a traditional tourism in Goa.
36:17Some houses have converted into tourist restaurants and clubs.
36:25So, I will say that we have verified each and every restaurant after that.
36:34And we should not be able to do this.
36:38So, we are taking action without a fire NOC.
36:42We will not be able to do this without a fire NOC or any other NOC, if there is a restaurant or a club,
36:49We will not be able to do this.
36:51It is important for our people's lives and more than tourism.
36:53That's why I say that safety is first.
36:57That's why our government is working.
36:59Sahavan sahab, have you taken action on the departments that were responsible for allowing this club to function for two years without proper licenses?
37:08Yes, we have already done action.
37:10Our secretaries have been terminated.
37:13Our secretaries have been terminated.
37:15We have been suspended.
37:17Both are now in jail.
37:21The third thing is the Pollution Control Board.
37:25We have been suspended by inspecting and signing authority.
37:27We have been suspended by the additional director of the panchayat.
37:31Even though we have issued a letter for each and every department.
37:36Whether they have fired from the FDA.
37:40Those who have had NOC and without NOC.
37:44That's why we have been suspended by the show cause notices.
37:46That's why it is a thorough investigation.
37:48And I will tell you that after the final case,
37:52the final of the final case,
37:54the final of the final case,
37:56the final case will be ended up on them.
37:58I will take your word for this, CM Sahab.
38:00And I will ask you one more question.
38:02India today has done an investigation at the back of it.
38:04We have found over 200 nightclubs in Goa
38:06are right now running without a proper license.
38:10Can I take your word that you will crack the whip and strong action will be taken?
38:14Because there are some clubs who are continuing to function without proper licenses.
38:18It is not the 200 clubs.
38:20It is the 27 clubs who are running without licenses.
38:24We have inspected and we have suspended for the licenses.
38:28They are not having the proper licenses.
38:30And already, now they are following the procedures.
38:32And after getting their licenses,
38:34they will start again.
38:36Now, there are 27 clubs that have been suspended.
38:40Their licenses have been terminated.
38:42Now they are closed.
38:44There are about 3000 cases
38:46which are still pending of illegal construction
38:49where panchayat courts are concerned.
38:51A lot of these clubs,
38:53a lot of these shacks,
38:55tourist developments
38:56go into illegal construction.
38:58And the cases are continuing
39:00to where panchayat courts are concerned.
39:04How do you think one can deal with that better?
39:06I will tell you that
39:08one thing I will tell you.
39:09The big tourism in Goa
39:10and all the coastal buildings
39:13were small villages.
39:15So, the first of all the houses
39:17were converted to restaurants.
39:18So, the commercial activities started.
39:20And the CZ Act
39:23Coastal Zone Management Plan
39:25was in 2011
39:27and it started in 1991.
39:30So, now you can see the 3000 cases
39:34in the same place.
39:35There is a business rivalry
39:36also.
39:37There is a business rivalry
39:38in another case.
39:39And some people have
39:40a small violation
39:41on the other side.
39:42The government is doing
39:43a small job.
39:44So, the government is doing
39:45a small job.
39:46This is why I am saying
39:47that we are taking all the safety
39:48precautions.
39:49The other things
39:51are going to be
39:52that we are taking all the safety
39:53precautions
39:54to do is take all it.
39:55And so,
39:56we are taking all the safety precautions.
39:58This is why
39:59we are taking all the tourism department
40:00or the fire department
40:01or the coastal zone management
40:02or the environment department
40:03or the environment department.
40:04We are doing the work of regularization by the government and the department.
40:13I want you to do it because the government will give you more attention to the safety of the government.
40:20Congress is the charge that at the beginning of January 2026,
40:27you had introduced a bill to decriminalize illegal construction.
40:32And they are saying this will only encourage people to illegally build up.
40:37You have decriminalized it.
40:39That is not so.
40:41I have not talked about commercial establishment.
40:44I am saying that the scheme of my house is talking about it.
40:50It is for the regularization of the legal houses,
40:53which is constructed before 1972,
40:55which are not regularized by the people who have built a house in their own land.
41:05And in the government land or government land,
41:08the people who have built a house in their own land,
41:11we have brought the rules of the law.
41:14We are not doing commercial establishment.
41:18I am saying that the people who live here,
41:22who have built a house in their own land.
41:25Because today,
41:26everyone is running in high court,
41:28everyone is running in NGT.
41:30That is why,
41:31the government land is being closed,
41:35we can take the revenue from them.
41:37And the people who live in the years,
41:39have built a house in their own land.
41:42And now,
41:43we can't get demolished.
41:45So, at least we can take the revenue from them.
41:47So,
41:48to take the revenue from them,
41:49is the intention of the government.
41:51Lots of tourists where Goa is concerned.
41:552025,
41:56Saavann Sahib,
41:57Goa saw 1 crore tourists.
41:59But there is a flip side of it
42:01where international tourism is concerned.
42:04The brand valuation of Goa has gone down.
42:08If I look at the figures of charters,
42:10from 2017 to 2025,
42:13there has been a massive drop.
42:15Where there used to be 1500 charters coming,
42:17now there are only 17 in a particular season.
42:20So,
42:21at one level,
42:22domestic tourists are coming,
42:24and we can see it.
42:25But,
42:25the international tourism destination,
42:28Goa,
42:29why did the brand devalue have gone down?
42:34After COVID,
42:35where was the first time tourism opened,
42:37then it opened in Goa.
42:38And after COVID,
42:40the international flow of tourism,
42:43which is globally,
42:45or in India,
42:46was reduced.
42:47That's why,
42:48the first time tourist tourists came,
42:50are international tourists,
42:52with a special charter.
42:54And that is not,
42:55not because of Goa.
42:57When we look globally,
42:58all the scenarios,
42:59then I think the charter was reduced.
43:02But the Indian tourists,
43:04and the rest of the Indian tourists,
43:06approximately,
43:07every year,
43:07tourists come,
43:08approximately 25 lakhs of the tourists,
43:11which were foreign tourists here.
43:13There is a little number,
43:15but I won't say that,
43:16it has been reduced.
43:17Yes,
43:18the charter has been reduced.
43:20However,
43:21the international tourists come directly,
43:22but the international tourists come directly,
43:24we are maintaining our brand.
43:27And this brand,
43:28the infrastructure here,
43:30cleanliness,
43:31and international airports,
43:33and all the other airports,
43:34I believe that it will pick up.
43:36It will pick up.
43:37It will pick up.
43:38Because the kind of infrastructure,
43:40we have developed now,
43:41so definitely,
43:42in the future of the years,
43:44it will grow in Goa.
43:46Again,
43:47there is criticism,
43:49where people are saying,
43:50Thailand,
43:51Sri Lanka,
43:52are all coming out as better options than Goa.
43:55And the reason,
43:56which has been given Savan Saab,
43:57is that,
43:58one of the taxi mafia,
43:59you know,
44:00you will hear about that.
44:01Everyone,
44:02you know,
44:03tourists complain,
44:04about a cartel,
44:05where taxis are concerned.
44:06Law and order is becoming a problem,
44:08which was not before.
44:09Goa was the safest place.
44:10Goa is the safest place.
44:11Goa is also the safest place.
44:13In the entire country,
44:14it is number one.
44:16And the police,
44:17for the enforcement,
44:18and the safety purpose,
44:19in every place,
44:20and a pink force,
44:22like tourists,
44:23in the beaches,
44:24and where you have seen,
44:25within the five minutes,
44:27there is a safety,
44:28which is available.
44:29Second,
44:30you have said,
44:31taxi issues.
44:32Taxi issues,
44:33actually,
44:34in the country,
44:35where there are tourist places,
44:36there are taxis problems.
44:38I will not say that.
44:39But now,
44:40we have introduced Goa miles as an app,
44:42Goa taxi as an app,
44:43and the people have started coming on the taxi app.
44:46Even though,
44:47we have started direct buses from the airport to the coastline,
44:50the airport to the buses,
44:51we have started direct transportation.
44:53And some days,
44:54this will be resolved.
44:56And in Goa,
44:58there is no situation of law and order.
45:02Do you think that Goa is a delification?
45:05People like us are coming and ruining your state?
45:08Because you are the people who say,
45:10stop this delification of Goa.
45:13We always know the name of Goa.
45:18But there should also be a responsibility?
45:20Of course.
45:21You have said this right.
45:22Because as we say,
45:23we are looking at Goa like Vasudev Kutumbakam,
45:25globally,
45:26I'm really loving people.
45:27But the first time,
45:28we need to see people from this district,
45:29but also we should take care of the government.
45:31Yes,
45:32even if Gowas is a beautiful state,
45:35we need to maintain ourselves,
45:36and remain a role in different people,
45:38and the first time,
45:39we need to maintain ourselves.
45:40But people who come here,
45:41we also need to maintain our leadership for the government.
45:43We need to maintain our responsibility.
45:46But the people who take care of the government,
45:48so we need to try to maintain those people,
45:50which are properlywali,
45:51we need to maintain our responsibility for others.
45:53So we need to support everyone,
45:54I will just say that, I will just say that, because the plastic waste on the beaches and
46:13I know Goa because I was looking at the figures, your government actually spends a lot on cleanliness
46:19more than most other states. Yet, the latest study shows a lot of plastic waste on the
46:25beaches. And a lot of that is the responsibility of the 1 crore Indian tourists who are coming
46:30in to your state. So, you should say that even they need to be a little more responsible.
46:36You said that in Goa, like in the small village, we have seen the best infrastructure in the
46:45entire country. One of the best waste management plants in both districts, we have already established.
46:52We are having the biomedical waste management plant. We are having the e-waste management
46:59plant. We are having the solid waste management plant. We are having the in bigger cities
47:04STPs. We are having the ETPs for the every industries. So, after spending so much, you can see
47:11a lot of waste. For the every national highway cleaning, we are having the contractor on board.
47:17For the beach cleaning, we are having the contractor on board.
47:21This work is here. Goa, like in the small village, lacks cr stores of rupees we are spending from
47:27our budget for cleanliness and maintenance. This is why people are taking is responsible for
47:32it. Everyone is responsible for the people here. They should have a responsible for
47:38the rules of the state. I agree. And I think any tourist who comes. Because Goa is so beautiful.
47:45is so beautiful uh should be very mindful on what they're leaving behind and i really agree with
47:50that um seems that there is this civil movement now which is against outsiders and outsiders in
47:58terms of people coming in they're saying whoever has money is buying land is buying you know an
48:03apartment is buying a villa where the locals are feeling that they are marginalized it's become a
48:08playground of the rich are there any rules that you're looking at that you might want to implement
48:14with safeguard the rights of the locals as you said as you said that goa is good and beautiful
48:21everyone thinks that your second home is in goa so many people like to buy land and
48:28like to buy home and like to buy home and like to buy home and of course it is from any state
48:38i think that my second home is here and a being uh we can't avoid this directly
48:44but how do you protect this beautiful state
48:48every place is a apartment building building building building building building building
48:53um and a 67 percent of the greenery will maintain
48:56where they are in the same direction to use the sustainable development
49:00elements with the rules and regulations
49:06This 샷 content in its region we will be making maintain
49:12the relevant development things today
49:17from the round of the local надо
49:24We have tightened the rules and we will tighten the rules and we will also tighten the rules
49:33in which we will be a sustainable development.
49:39I am going to ask you two questions. This is an election year for you and I want you to talk a little bit about
49:45Viksit Goa by 2037. How will you achieve this target? What are you looking at doing?
49:57Yes, Honorable Prime Minister Viksit Goa 2037, 10 years before Viksit Goa 2037
50:07Because the Viksit Goa 2037 has a flagship program for Viksit Goa 2037
50:16Whether it will be an insurance company or an insurance company,
50:19It is almost 80% of the program and 100% we have achieved.
50:25Now, we are saying that the development of Viksit Goa 2037
50:32Is that what we are doing around 10 years before Viksit Goa 2037
50:36We are saying that we are doing on economic development, infrastructure development, health sector
50:42or the education sector. We are in an advanced stage to do that development
50:45To do that 20 years prior to the development of Viksit Goa 2037
50:48It is our mission to goa 2039
50:49and做 the job like this goes over 10 years
50:50The government is possible to goa 2047
50:52That is why we are doing this work under the guidance of
50:54the Prime Minister and the Niti Ayyuk
50:59Prime Minister and Niti Aayug, which will be very fast in this way, because Niti Aayug
51:09and their development has been shown here 10 years before.
51:14The Honorable Prime Minister has released a very good platform, which is a very good one
51:19of the platforms.
51:20We integrate everything, whether it be port, airport, road, rail or hospital or primary
51:29school.
51:30We have prepared the plan for the Vikasit Goa 2037 and stepwise we can do Vikasit.
51:49I am going to put you on the spot as someone who is from Goa, who is from Goa as Chief Minister.
51:54Saban Sahib, you give me tips.
51:55What is the prettiest beach in Goa?
51:56Miramar Beach.
51:57Miramar Beach.
51:58We are sitting right now.
51:59Yes.
52:00How do you spend your time?
52:01As someone who has a day off, how do you spend your time?
52:05Do you go to the beach, put your feet up and chill the Goa vibe or how do you spend your time?
52:11Now I am not possible.
52:12After the Chief Minister, I do not have to spend time.
52:13I do not have to spend time.
52:14I do not have to spend time.
52:15That is true.
52:16That is why I am busy with my administrative work.
52:17When I get time, I spend time with my son.
52:18That is my happiest.
52:19How do you spend that time?
52:20Do you go for a walk on the beach?
52:21No, no, no.
52:22It doesn't matter only because you are watching.
52:23Nothing like that.
52:24Nothing like that.
52:25Nothing like that.
52:26You spend time with her.
52:27What are the best restaurants in Goa that one must go to?
52:29Are you fond of that?
52:30Yes.
52:31Yes.
52:32Yes.
52:33Yes.
52:34Yes.
52:35Yes.
52:36Yes.
52:37Yes.
52:38Yes.
52:39Yes.
52:40Yes.
52:41Yes.
52:42Yes.
52:43Yes.
52:44Yes.
52:45Yes.
52:46Yes.
52:47Yes.
52:48Meep.
52:49ف some of the best restaurants in Goa that one must go to.
52:52Are you fond of eating?
52:53uh
52:54Fond of food.
52:55There are just so many restaurants are in Goa.
52:57But Aungan Restaurant recently, in Penajim it is..
53:01I will go.
53:02It is one of the tasty and Goan taste.
53:05I will go.
53:06And?
53:07With two things to know...
53:09Then everyone will say the chief minister is only giving one name.
53:14Riz's which is famous in Penavision.
53:16Okay.
53:17I go very little in the restaurant
53:20But you don't enjoy stepping out, going out
53:23That's why I thought
53:24When was the last time you went out to a restaurant?
53:27I think
53:30A year ago
53:32I don't have to go to the restaurant
53:34What's the fayda of being the chief minister of Goa?
53:38I mean, it should be fayda
53:40That if you are the chief minister
53:42That you go to the beach for a walk
53:44You go to the best restaurants
53:46Last time I went to the beach
53:49Just to see how the beach cleanliness is
53:52That I'll tell you
53:53I know you spend a lot of money
53:55But you must also look at the cleanliness
53:57Last time I went to the campaign
53:58I went to Kalanggur beach
54:00And the cleanliness
54:01And the rest of the facilities
54:03For the washroom
54:05I had taken a walk
54:07Otherwise you don't go
54:09That's no life
54:11One would think the chief minister of Goa
54:13You know when you look at aspirations
54:15If somebody asks me
54:16If you could be the chief minister of one state
54:17I'd say Goa
54:18And you're saying
54:19You haven't been to the beach
54:20You haven't gone to a restaurant
54:22Chief minister
54:23You have to go to the beach
54:24You have to go to the beach
54:25You have to go to the beach
54:26You have to go to the beach
54:27You have to go to the beach
54:28What's your favourite food?
54:29Fish curry rice
54:30Fish curry rice
54:31At home
54:32At home
54:33Not stepping out
54:34No, not at all
54:35Now for the benefit of our viewers
54:37Just tell us
54:38How should a tourist come and spend one day in your state?
54:41Yes
54:43Definitely
54:44People like the coastal
54:47Some tourists would prefer to go to the beach
54:52Some tourists will see the wildlife
54:54Yes
54:55There are seven wildlife centuries in the state
54:57They'll prefer
54:58There are more than 450 species of birds
55:00So they can go around the wildlife
55:03And enjoy the wildlife
55:04Third one
55:05I'll say temples and churches
55:07There are so many temples and churches
55:09They can spend the time
55:10It is a funda town
55:11It is a temple town
55:12They can see the old Goa church is there
55:15So many churches and temples are there
55:17They can enjoy
55:18And heritage structures are there
55:20Recently our Agwa Jail Museum
55:23Which is actually the jail
55:24Which we have converted into the museum
55:26Exactly the opposite
55:28You can see there
55:29Which is looking there
55:30Is an Agwa Jail Museum
55:32My final question CM sahab
55:35Is for the people of Goa
55:37Who live here
55:38The locals
55:39How will the Chief Minister of Goa
55:40Make sure
55:41That he will protect their interests
55:42And protect their state?
55:44Yes, you have said that
55:49My program is running
55:52From the Swayonpurna program
55:54I am always working for people
55:57For people
55:58For people
55:59For people
56:00For people
56:01For people
56:02For people
56:03For people
56:04For people
56:05For people
56:06For people
56:08To build a heritage
56:09To make their heritage
56:10So definitely
56:11I will say
56:12That
56:13Though I will also
56:14To make their heritage
56:15To make their heritage
56:17So definitely
56:18I will say that
56:20I will also do
56:21That
56:22I am also working for
56:23To make their heritage
56:24policy decisions. I have taken it before and I will get it. Sometimes we say that
56:31the government and government, which we present in front of the people of Goa,
56:38will always work for us. We will work for the people of Goa.
56:49Well, I hope that happens and good luck, Chief Minister. You have a very hectic year
56:53coming up before elections. Thank you for taking the time out and joining us this evening.
56:57And thank you for taking all questions. Thank you.
56:59Chief, I am very grateful for India today.
57:02We have given the development of Goa, Goa's cultural heritage, Goa's richness.
57:09That is why you are also given the government and the people of Goa.
57:14I am very grateful for your time and for your time.
57:17I have given my interview on the Miramar beach today.
57:22Thank you, sir. Thank you.
57:23I must say very few chief ministers sit and take all questions. And you did that, which
57:28is very, very nice. But thank you.
57:31When I am for the state, for the people of Goa,
57:34I am for the state, for the people of Goa.
57:35Then, if you ask anything, and to answer me,
57:36I am for the rest of the people of Goa.
57:38I do not do it, sir.
57:39I do not do it, sir.
57:40I do not do it, sir.
57:42If you want to do it.
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