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00:00Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's my guy Frankie Viteriti from U-Stadium.
00:04Today is Thursday, February 19th. We're going to talk about, should the Jets take Arvel Reese number two overall?
00:11Frankie's got some hot takes about Reese.
00:13Oh yes, I do. I'm locked and loaded, baby. I'm ready.
00:16You're on an island here with Arvel Reese, and I'm excited to get into that discussion here.
00:20Over-unders came out for Jets season total coming up in 2026.
00:25Just to give you Jets fans a heads up, it's not a high number.
00:28So we'll discuss that. We're also going to talk about some quarterback options for the Jets
00:32as we get ready for the offseason and free agency as it's approaching.
00:36Stick around on today's episode.
00:45Look, Frankie, most mock drafts are coming out now, and everyone is universally touting Arvel Reese,
00:52outside linebacker slash edge, however you want to really position him, off-ball linebacker as well.
00:58They're mocking him to number two for the Jets, just because of the high talent he has,
01:04because they view him traits-wise off the charts.
01:07He's going to be 21, not until August.
01:09So you're talking about pretty much the end of training camp.
01:12He's going to turn 21 years old, so a very young player.
01:14But he played in a pro-style defense under Matt Patricia at Ohio State.
01:19Had a great year in terms of just rising up the boards from an unranked prospect, you would say,
01:24to, holy crap, this kid might be the next Micah Parsons.
01:28Those are a lot of comparisons you're seeing about Arvel Reese right now.
01:31So the big question is, is Arvel Reese the guy at number two for Aaron Glenn and Darren Mugee to
01:36target?
01:37All right, Ryan.
01:39I'll say this.
01:39As a prospect, Arvel Reese has everything you'd look for.
01:44He has the speed.
01:45He has the aggression.
01:46He has the strength.
01:48He has the form when it comes to tackling.
01:51He's got something about him that you don't really see out of most prospects.
01:56He pops off the screen.
01:58I read somewhere where someone described him as being like an alien, someone from another planet.
02:05Yeah.
02:05In terms of the way he moves.
02:07Freakish downs.
02:07Just freakish.
02:08My issue with him is I don't know what position he plays.
02:12Well, I think that's why he's such a unicorn, right?
02:15Like in terms of his traits and where he could play.
02:17You could play him as a full-time edge if you want to try that.
02:20You could play him as an off-ball linebacker.
02:22You've seen him.
02:22He diagnoses the run play really well or the screen passes as well.
02:27And you've talked about it before.
02:29Sideline to sideline, he's very, very good at that part of his game of being able to track down where
02:35the ball is going
02:35or pretty much figuring out where the play is going.
02:40Yeah, yeah.
02:40He smells things out.
02:41He does.
02:42He knows exactly.
02:43He does.
02:43The problem with him is, though, and the problem is the spot you're picking, where you're picking.
02:50At two.
02:50You're picking at two.
02:51Yeah.
02:52At two, you want a player that is going to change football games.
02:57I don't know if Arvel Reese is really going to change football games.
03:01He'll do things where he'll track down a running back or even a quarterback, and he'll get to them,
03:07and that might stop a big play from happening, but you want to see more than just those kind of
03:13things.
03:14And I don't know if Arvel Reese were to be an every-down edge.
03:18I don't know if he has the pass rush moves.
03:21I don't know if he has the instincts at edge to be able to pull it off better than David
03:27Bailey or Ruben Bain Jr.
03:28That's why I'm under the impression, if you want to take an edge, and obviously, edge is a premium position
03:34in this league.
03:35It's something the Jets need right now.
03:36Yeah.
03:36Just because Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald have proven not to be, you know, reliable players every single down.
03:43I think Jermaine's due for a bounce-back year, coming another year removed from the Achilles.
03:47You usually see them come back stronger from two years removed.
03:50Obviously, he still needs that burst, so you're worried about the Achilles long-term.
03:54Has it affected his burst?
03:55He isn't getting a little bit older.
03:57And Will McDonald, just, he stinks versus the run right now.
03:59He's just not a good player as a three-down player.
04:02He's a great pass rusher, I would say.
04:03He's got an amazing spin move.
04:05That's part of his bag.
04:07I would hope that maybe Aaron Glenn and, you know, the new defensive line coach, Carl Dunbar, comes in,
04:13and they can maybe add some more pass rush tools to his belt and get him going.
04:18But they need real impact players like you're talking about here on the edge.
04:22Yeah.
04:22Arvel Reese, his last six games, he didn't have a sack.
04:25He did not force a fumble at all at Ohio State.
04:30He played next to Sonny Stiles.
04:33Caden McDonald was playing in front of him.
04:36And Caleb Downs was playing behind him.
04:38That's going to open up a lot of lanes.
04:40We can talk about how much of a missile he is and how freakish he is and some of the
04:46things he does on a football field.
04:49Quite frankly, nobody else is doing in this draft.
04:52But, Ryan, I look back at the Deion Jordans of the world.
04:57I look back at the Isaiah Simmons of the world.
04:59And Isaiah Simmons actually is a good football player, so there's no hate.
05:01But, Ryan, I look back at those guys and I'm asking myself, when the ball is snapped, you're playing one
05:08position.
05:08You're either playing linebacker or you're playing edge.
05:11You're not playing both.
05:12So, you're not going to get value from him as a linebacker if he's playing edge and vice versa.
05:18Your thought that you had a few weeks ago was actually really, really good and spot-on and enlightening to
05:24a degree.
05:25Where you said, play him off ball on early downs and play him at edge on passing downs.
05:30Listen, that's a perfect scenario.
05:32That's how the Cowboys used Micah Parsons for the first couple years.
05:34Micah Parsons could be a once-in-a-15-year kind of player.
05:38I understand.
05:39I'm talking about the trajectory, though, of how they used him early with the Dallas Cowboys.
05:43They used Micah all over the field.
05:45I studied his tape.
05:46He used his middle linebacker for a lot of plays.
05:48He was used as an edge rusher.
05:49They had him rush up the middle against guards and centers one-on-one.
05:52Just try to find that mismatch because they knew they had a guy who can rush the passer from any
05:58spot on the field, really.
05:59So, that's why I kind of pushed back on, you know, like he's not just a linebacker on one play
06:04and an edge on another play.
06:05It's like, well, no, he's going to be your unicorn.
06:07He's your weapon X.
06:09He's your guy you can put wherever you want on the field.
06:11If you're Carl Dunbar and if you're Aaron Glenn and even Brian Duker at this point,
06:16you're trying to scheme him up to get one-on-one matchups that you can exploit against opposing teams.
06:21Going back to what you're saying, though, about how he can track down quarterbacks really well.
06:26Look at the division we're in.
06:27Yeah.
06:27Look at the division the Jets are in right now with AFC.
06:31You've got two of the best running quarterbacks in the NFL in Drake May and Josh Allen.
06:35Drake May, we've seen what he can do with his legs.
06:37Josh Allen is the best with his legs you could save besides Lamar Jackson.
06:40Like, you need a guy who can track that quarterback down.
06:44And if you're telling me Arvel Reese can be our QB spy and you can use him as your QB
06:50spy and like,
06:51hey, man, your one job today is just stopping Josh Allen from making any of those big plays.
06:55Because that's what's been killing the Jets.
06:56Let's be real.
06:57And when they play the Patriots and the Bills, how many times have we watched on third and long or
07:02a big case situation
07:04and they get burned by Josh Allen or Drake May going for a long run?
07:08The thing is, though, with spying, though, you have to tempo the spying or you have to call it at
07:12the right time.
07:13Right.
07:13You can't tell an edge.
07:16You can only tell them you're going to spy 5, 7, 10 percent of the time.
07:21Because if you're spying the guy, they'll have more time in the pocket.
07:25Whereas, like, I'm looking at guys like Bailey and Bain, Bailey more specifically than Bain,
07:30because I think Bailey's a better pass rusher than Bain, and they're both better than Reese.
07:35At just rushing, I'm saying.
07:36I would rather get to the quarterback before there's three and a half seconds in the pocket.
07:42But I agree with you on Reese being a chess piece that I'm telling you, it's a high risk, but
07:49it's a high reward.
07:49You might get something out of him that not many players in the league have ever done
07:54in terms of being able to play the run, play off ball, and be an edge, and get to the
07:59quarterback,
07:59and spy when you need to.
08:01But also, you might get someone that doesn't really have a role on a team or a set role,
08:08is trying to be an off ball, but isn't that great of an off ball to justify taking him second.
08:13He's been pretty good as an off ball linebacker.
08:15He has, and he has.
08:17I've seen him at times get a little bit handsy.
08:20He sniffs out the screen pass really well, I can tell you that right now.
08:22He likes to really get handsy, though, with the guards and tackles.
08:25I think you want to shy away from it.
08:27He gets away with it or not gets away with it.
08:29He can do it because of his strength.
08:30Correct, and his speed.
08:31But he's not that big, so I don't know if he's going to be able to do that in the
08:35NFL.
08:35He's only 20 years old.
08:36He's going to get bigger.
08:37He's going to get stronger.
08:38He probably will.
08:39He's not fully developed in terms of size and speed and strength and all that.
08:42If you think about it.
08:43He might lose a little speed, though.
08:44I mean, it's give or take sometimes.
08:45But if he puts a little more weight on, he can be a full-time edge rusher.
08:49That's, again, why I think a lot of GMs and scouts get tantalized by the prospect of Orville Reeson.
08:56This is a raw prospect that we see already good potential here, and it could be great potential.
09:02He has a higher ceiling, you would say, than any of the other pass rushers in this class
09:05because if he does become Micah Parsons, holy crap, that's an incredible weapon for your defense.
09:10I do want to make a comment here.
09:12So there was a comment on our video last week about how to fix the Jets that one of our
09:16fans for Gangs All Here wrote.
09:17And I thought this was pretty interesting about the whole David Bailey, Orville Rees discussion.
09:21David Bailey is going to be 23 before the season started.
09:24And this comment argues that he's already going to be maxed out in his upper frame,
09:28and he doesn't have the biggest legs in terms of strength as well there, too.
09:31So, Rees has the strongest 245-pound person that he has seen in his lifetime.
09:37God forbid he gained 10 pounds in 2025.
09:40Bailey rushed the passer 325 times with 14 1â2 sacks last year.
09:45Rees rushed the passer 106 times and had 6 1â2 sacks, 219 less pass rush attempts.
09:53Is there something to that, the fact that Rees was not a full-time edge?
09:56You can't really say he's not going to be the best edge rusher.
09:59He hasn't been used as a full-time edge rusher in college.
10:02Some of those stats are Rees getting sacks, though, not lining up at edge or them playing a little bit
10:09of a joker kind of role.
10:13219 less pass rush attempts, though, than Bailey.
10:16And he still produced 6 1â2 sacks.
10:18The thing with Bailey is, I've heard this before about his legs if they're small.
10:23Do you know how much he squats?
10:25He squats 550 pounds.
10:27I don't care how big or small your legs are.
10:29If you're squatting 550â
10:31He also has the best first step in all college football.
10:33Easily.
10:33Yeah.
10:34If youâthis is the thing with Bailey.
10:36If you want a guy that, in my opinion, has a trajectory where he could be the, you know, best
10:43pass rusher in that division
10:44and maybe one of the best in the conference, a Nick Benito kind of guy,
10:49that's the kind of guy you're looking at there.
10:51I don't think you can do that much with him.
10:53I don't think you can move him around too much.
10:56I think he's going to play your outside linebacker at a 3-4.
10:59He'll play your traditional DN in a 4-3 on those hybrid sets.
11:03And you're going to just tell him to get his ass to the quarterback.
11:06That's really what David Bailey does.
11:08You want toâyou want to get him going to the quarterback.
11:11And against the run, I just saw a stat recently, he was second in all of college football out of
11:16all the edges in terms of run-stop rate.
11:19Now, granted, he's not the best edge setter against the run.
11:22He's not, you know, standing guys up or pullers up and setting that edge.
11:28He's constantly trying to get around the tackles or tight ends or pullers to get leverage, to get to the
11:36quarterback or the backs.
11:37That's what he does.
11:38But you look at David Bailey, man, to me, I wouldn't try to overcomplicate things.
11:45You need an edge.
11:46WeâI don't think he's Will McDonald.
11:48I think he's a lot stronger than Will McDonald, by the way.
11:51I think Will McDonald doesn't squat 550 pounds.
11:55I would bring in a guy that I know, for a fact, is going to average 10 to 12 sacks
12:00in year two or three in this league.
12:02I don't know if Reese is going to do that.
12:04I don't know if Bain's going to do that.
12:07Or trade out.
12:08If you have noâif you don't have conviction on those three guys, there's teams that are going to love Reese.
12:12There's teams that are going to love Bain and Bailey.
12:14Trade back if you don't have conviction.
12:17I just think Reese is too much of a project thatâI don't know if the guys here right now in
12:25that defensive room or the coaches that we have, I don't know if they're going to be able to maximize
12:31who Arville Reese could be.
12:33And, again, I'll say it again, Ryan.
12:37His defensive coordinator was Matt Patricia.
12:39He played with Caden McDonald in front of him.
12:42Yeah, a lot of talent.
12:43He played with Sonny Styles next to him and Caleb Downs behind him.
12:46You don't think that opened up opportunities for him to be that missile that he is?
12:51And to his credit, he's phenomenal.
12:53I don't see many players, when I'm looking at these guys, that are able to track and destroy like Arville
13:01Reese is.
13:01He reallyâhe's really a special talent.
13:05I'm starting, though, as I go through this year by year, I'm starting to be less intrigued by the talented
13:10guys and more intrigued by the production guys.
13:13The what-if stuff, it workedâ
13:15He's got the highest upside of the group.
13:17Micah Parsons, you are right with that, but Iâ
13:19But Micah Parsons went, what, 11th?
13:2112th.
13:21I thought it was 11th.
13:22Was it 12th?
13:22I thought he went 12th.
13:23I don't know.
13:24We can look it up.
13:25But, like, heâyou know, he has the highest upside, you would say, you would agree, of all the guys, though,
13:30in this draft, in terms of what he could be in this draft as a pass rusher.
13:35Yeah.
13:35Like, just because of his traits that he has.
13:36He was 12th.
13:37You're right.
13:38To the Cowboys.
13:39You know, look, you're not the only one on this bandânot bandwagon, but this idea that Arville Reese is too
13:44much of a project,
13:45and it's harder to project where he's going to be, you know, his rookie, second, third year.
13:51Because Daniel Jeremiah, who I really, really love in terms of draft evaluation and evaluating prospects,
13:57I think he sees it the right way, the game today.
14:00He actually, in his last mock draft, has the Jets taking David Bailey, just like you.
14:04He says the Jets have the pick of the draft's finest edge rushers here at number two,
14:09but with David Bailey's combination of explosiveness and production,
14:12it's the best of the bunch between him, Bain, and Arville Reese.
14:16And he actually has Bain going for both, for Reese as well.
14:20And then on Reese, he talks about howâ
14:22I don't see that happening, by the way.
14:24If the Titans are there for Robertâand we're going to do our little mock draft show in a little bit.
14:28I mean, Reuben Bain might be his type of player.
14:30It might, but I think Robert Sala, remember, you look at Quincy Williams, he liked.
14:35Yeah.
14:35He liked Will McDonald.
14:36He likes those guys that are a little thinner but freakishly, like, athletic and able to reallyâ
14:41Fred Borner.
14:43Yeah, yeah.
14:43I think when he looks at Arville Reese, I think he's going to see all those traits and that.
14:48He says Reese provides explosiveness and versatility.
14:50He might be a tougher projection than some of the other pass rushers in this year's draft,
14:54given that he split time between the edge and off-bell linebacker for the Buckeyes.
14:58Reese has the highest upside of the group, however.
15:01So, look, overall, though, as a player, would you be upset if the Jets take him at number two?
15:08I would, okay?
15:10Honestly, I would.
15:11And I'm not going toânot upset where I'm going to have a tantrum on Twitter or something,
15:16but these idiots, these morons, I just won't say anything.
15:18I'll be disappointed because I think what they need is not Arville Reese.
15:24Arville Reese is a finishing chess piece, or he's a chess piece in this league
15:28that you need to really get himâyou need to know how to use him, man.
15:32We're trying to figure out how to just get sacks.
15:35We're trying to figure out how to get turnovers.
15:37We had four all year.
15:38He had none.
15:39Reese had none.
15:39Yeah, we're trying to figure out how to get interceptions.
15:41We had none last year.
15:43I don't want a project guy.
15:45I don't want someone that's cute or someone that has all these physical traits
15:48that looks like some specimen from another planet.
15:52I want someone that gets to the damn quarterback.
15:56You know, 15% to 20% of the time, which is what his pressure rate was, Bailey.
16:00That's what I want.
16:02So I don't understand, like, people that are saying and assuming that Arville Reese
16:07is this can't-miss edge.
16:10I don't know what you're watching.
16:12As an off-ball linebacker, I'll say this.
16:14I think he's getting close to being a can't-miss starting off-ball strictly in the NFL.
16:21Yeah.
16:21Like, there's no way if Arville Reese just plays off-ball, he's not going to play in
16:25this league for eight to ten years.
16:27He could be, like, almost an all-pro off-ball linebacker.
16:30I would have to see a little more, but yeah.
16:32He has the traits to be that great.
16:34I mean, he could be if they decided to make him an off-ball linebacker.
16:37I think he could be that good.
16:38He could.
16:39He has the potential.
16:39But he has to work on turnovers.
16:40But you don't-
16:41Yeah.
16:41He has to be able to force the turnover.
16:44You've got to hit the ball out, man.
16:44Get the ball out.
16:45He's a very raw prospect.
16:47You know, look, I think I'm leaning Bailey as well, just in terms of pure pass rusher.
16:52The first step is impressive from him.
16:55The moves are so impressive.
16:56They are.
16:57He feels things out.
16:58He'll bust out a spin move out of nowhere.
17:00Like, he can do that?
17:01Like, how did he pull that off?
17:02He knows how to feel the pressure of the tackle so well and how to use the pressure against
17:07the tackle.
17:07He's a wrestler.
17:08Yeah, he's beaten some of the best pass tackles in this upcoming draft.
17:12Like, he's just abused some of these guys when you watch the tape on some of the top
17:16tackles in this class.
17:17And the other thing I'll say about Bailey, too, is that, you know, this is just not a
17:21great draft in terms of top-end talent.
17:23Yeah, yeah.
17:23So, you know, trust me, I've thought about it.
17:26Like, Caleb Downs, would that be fun?
17:27Yeah, that would.
17:28But you just don't take a safety number two.
17:30You want Caleb Downs, don't you?
17:31He's the best player in the draft.
17:33At his position, probably.
17:34Him and the guard out of Penn State.
17:37Yeah, I mean, he's the best player in the draft.
17:38And if you want to talk about a real difference maker, like, if you could have the Kyle Hamilton
17:42of this draft, I mean, sign me up.
17:44And the Jets need safeties.
17:45They don't have any safeties in that room right now.
17:47But look, with David Bailey, you would have an illegit pass rusher to put across from Jermaine
17:51Johnson on all three downs.
17:52And then maybe you sprinkle in Will McDonald on third down pass rush situations.
17:56Or you get rid of one of them.
17:57I wouldn't trade away depth because I think the Jets need as much depth as possible on this
18:02defensive line.
18:03And I think David Bailey would be a lot of fun for Carl Dunbar.
18:05It fits kind of more his mold, I feel like, just in that defense they're going to try
18:09and run.
18:10You know what I would do if I was a Jets?
18:11I don't have to cut you off.
18:12But if I was a Jets, I would look at Jermaine Johnson.
18:15You have to transform Jermaine Johnson a little bit into what Justin Tuck was for the Giants.
18:20Put him in a prototype DN that isn't an outside rusher strictly.
18:25You could play him a little inside, play him outside.
18:27You wouldn't shock me if they did that.
18:29He might have to gain a few, but he's a workout warrior.
18:32He's a thinner build, but he's jacked.
18:34Let him get a little heavier.
18:36Put on another five to ten pounds.
18:37I like Jermaine, man.
18:38I think he's a good dude.
18:39He just can't get off tackles.
18:41He gets stuck to tackles.
18:43Again, I'm not giving much credence to last year.
18:45I can't put too much credence into last year.
18:46I got a guy coming one year.
18:48The stats in NFL and most sports, you look at it.
18:52A guy coming from his first year back from a torn Achilles, they're never the same.
18:56You have to give it two years.
18:58Give him a chance to really come back, develop, and actually prove himself again.
19:01I think there's just too many tools there for Jermaine Johnson as a player, and I would
19:05love to see him get another chance to be a full-time player in this Jets defense.
19:09Aaron Glenn calling plays.
19:11Carl Dunbar is a much better coach than what they had previously.
19:15Let him get in this system, and let's see what happens there.
19:18Look, I think that covers just right now on the Jets number two.
19:22We think Bailey's more of a fit for them right there just because of the way they're
19:25currently going staff-wise defensively and schematically.
19:29Then Arvel Reese, who is looking to be more like a project just because there's not enough
19:36solid projection there to say, yeah, this is a guy we have to take no matter what, a
19:39two, and he's going to be a real difference maker for us on day one.
19:42The Jets need starting players, Frankie.
19:44They need guys they can put into the rotation and say, you're starting day one, you're going
19:48to get the job, and you're going to help grow with this team overall.
19:52Next thing we should talk about here is Brees Hall.
19:54Look, we discussed this on how to fix the Jets last week, which all of you should check
19:58out on our New York Post Sports YouTube channel or wherever you get your podcast, gang's all
20:02here.
20:02Frankie and I broke it all down, how to fix the Jets.
20:04One of the big things we hit on was Brees Hall.
20:06Now that we're past the February 17th date, the Jets can now officially start to tag a player
20:13if they wanted to.
20:14Brees Hall is the prime candidate here.
20:16The big discussion, I think, amongst all Jets fans right now is, should the Jets tag
20:20Brees Hall?
20:21I'm going to keep this brief on my end.
20:23Yes, they should.
20:24They need playmakers on this offense.
20:26They desperately need a playmaker.
20:28Brees Hall provides that both in the pass and run game, in my opinion.
20:31Yes, could he be better as a runner?
20:33Yes.
20:34But I would love to see him in this Frank Reich offense, give him another chance with a
20:38solidified offensive line, and just prove himself one more year here with this Jets team
20:42of, hey, can you be the star of this offense here for this this year?
20:45Because it seems like it's going to be a bridge quarterback, most likely.
20:48Totally.
20:48Now, the thing with Brees Hall, though, and I agree with you, give him the tag.
20:52The question becomes, what kind of tag?
20:55Yeah.
20:56Is it the exclusive tag?
20:58So, the exclusive tag, I'm not going to do a little, like...
21:02No, you don't have to break it down.
21:03But I'll just break it down quickly.
21:05Exclusive tag, it's the most money.
21:07Yep.
21:07He can't talk to other teams, right?
21:09The non-exclusive tag is a little bit less, about 14 and a half versus 16.
21:13I think that's where they're going to go, to be honest with you.
21:14The non-exclusive tag.
21:16Yep, non-exclusive tag.
21:17He can talk to other teams, gets the average of the top five.
21:20But if a team offers him a contract, we can match.
21:24If we don't match, they have to give us two first-rounders.
21:27The non-exclusive tag was put in place for quarterbacks, not for running backs, really.
21:33Running backs don't like it usually.
21:35Why?
21:36You're giving me the non-exclusive tag.
21:38Why?
21:38You don't want to pay me $16 million?
21:39You want to pay me $14 million?
21:41You want to...
21:41Yeah, right?
21:42It's fully guaranteed.
21:43Yeah, you want to save a few million bucks?
21:45Because no one's going to give up two first-rounders for a running back.
21:47So that can leave a bad taste in the running back's mouth.
21:49But from a pure business perspective for the Jets, it works.
21:52The transition tag is the most interesting one.
21:54That's an average of the top ten, and it's not exactly the top ten, but whatever.
22:00It's like a moving number.
22:01But it's around $10 million to $11 million.
22:03He can go and seek other offers, and you have the right to match.
22:08If you don't match, you have seven days to match.
22:10If you don't match, he moves on, right?
22:13And that team that would have signed him doesn't give up anything to bring him in.
22:18And so you save money on the transition tag, obviously.
22:21You could save $6 million-ish compared to the exclusive, $4.5 compared to the non-exclusive.
22:27But you give the running back really all the leverage and his agent to go out and seek other deals
22:33from other teams.
22:34If you don't want to match, you lose him, and that team that signed him is giving you nada, nothing.
22:40So I don't know, man.
22:42I think if you want to play this in good faith, you do the transition tag.
22:47If you want to be a stern businessman like Mr. Ryan over here, Mr. Shark Tank, Ryan.
22:53You've got to protect yourself.
22:54Yeah, I mean, if you give them the non-exclusive, no other team is signing him.
22:58I understand that.
22:58And you save a few million.
22:59But if you're the Jets, you have to protect yourself here.
23:03Running backs don't have a long shelf life here.
23:07And I'm sure Brees understands that as well.
23:10Like, I only have a certain amount of years left in my career.
23:12I want to bank on that right now.
23:14But who's paying him all this money that we're talking about here?
23:17A team would have to be really desperate, in my opinion.
23:20Right now, he's not a top-five, top-eight running back in the NFL.
23:24Potential, we would love to see it happen, just like we would love to see Garrett Wilson be a top
23:28-five, top-eight wide receiver in the NFL
23:30if he actually had a real quarterback to play with and had a real offense to play with.
23:33It's the same thing with Brees, in my opinion.
23:35I would love to see him with another offensive coordinator where they're going to focus on the run.
23:40They're going to do a lot of RPOs, you would think, with Frank Reich and his history.
23:43And I would love to see him just, like, get a full chance at this again of, let's run it
23:48back, Brees, one more year.
23:49You get a chance to make all your money after this if you have a great year.
23:52And it protects you.
23:53Like you said, if he goes and negotiates a deal with someone else and someone else is willing to give
23:56up picks, I don't know why they would.
23:57But if they are, great.
23:59That protects you in the end.
24:01I have a question for you, though.
24:02Yeah, I'm just in a belief, though, that you don't give up good players for nothing.
24:06Yeah, especially when you're not a good team.
24:07I wouldn't let Brees walk away for nothing, if that makes sense.
24:10Yeah, that's fair.
24:11And under the transition tag, he could.
24:13I'll give you that.
24:14But I'll say this.
24:17You want to build a good relationship with Brees at this point.
24:20I don't think the relationship's there, right?
24:21It's a new regime, man.
24:23They don't have no ties to him whatsoever.
24:25Yes and no.
24:27Because, yes, you're right.
24:28However, you're building a relationship, right?
24:30If you tell Brees, let's sit down in a room, we're going to play this out in good faith, go
24:35and see what offers you can get.
24:37Go, right?
24:38If you don't get any that we want to match, you're going to play here on $10 or $11 million.
24:44But if you get an offer out there, go and seek one, we'll be able to match it.
24:48And that's the transition tag in a nutshell.
24:52No team, the non-exclusive tag is the Jets' way of almost circumventing a little bit of a loophole with
25:00running backs.
25:00No one's giving up two first-round picks to sign Brees Hall.
25:04Even for $10 million over three years.
25:07I agree.
25:07No one's giving that up.
25:08They wouldn't even do it for free.
25:09I agree.
25:10So, you're not getting â so, the non-exclusive tag is just your way of saying to Brees, we want
25:15to save a million and a half of dollars.
25:17It's not about that to me.
25:18I mean, that's what they â it happened with Saquon Barkley and the Giants.
25:21I hear you, but they didn't want to pay Saquon at all.
25:24Like, they â
25:24Yeah, I don't â do the Jets want to pay Brees?
25:25No, they don't.
25:26Yeah, yeah.
25:27At least I don't think they do.
25:28We don't know.
25:28Yeah, I don't know.
25:29I don't â
25:29It seems like they're hesitant.
25:31They don't tell us what they're thinking here.
25:32Yeah, yeah.
25:32Like, Aaron Glenn has run a tight ship, to his credit, one of the few things he's done well, is
25:37he's kept everything in-house in terms of where the decisions are going to be for their roster and coaching,
25:42too, because all these things come out of frigging nowhere.
25:45So, you want to keep Brees for a year just to see what he can do, and then maybe you
25:49can negotiate a long-term deal throughout.
25:50If everything goes well with him this year, and let's say you win â they beat their projections.
25:55They go six, seven wins this year.
25:58You know, I don't know who their quarterback, Kirk Cousins.
26:00And Brees has an incredible year.
26:03Pay him.
26:04Pay him.
26:05You're a homegrown Jet.
26:06We think we actually got something here.
26:08I'm with you, yeah.
26:08We're going to draft a quarterback and a rookie.
26:10He's going to be 26, maybe, something like that.
26:11And we think we can have something with you here, and you could be a career Jet.
26:15You could be the all-time leader in Jets history and rushing if you really want to be here for
26:20long-term.
26:20The thing is this, though.
26:21If you give him that non-exclusive tag, in the back of Brees' mind, he might say, really, that's how
26:26they're going to treat me?
26:27Well, in the back of his mind, he might say, I cannot wait to get out of here.
26:30I'll collect my $14.5 million, and I'm out.
26:33And then, basically, you just had him for a year.
26:36Had him for another year.
26:37I'm like almost a lame duck year.
26:38What's the alternative?
26:39Kenneth Walker, who's often hurt?
26:42Tyler Algier?
26:43Come on.
26:43Yeah, I think the only alternative with him is a transition tag saying, you think you're worth something, Brees?
26:50Go and seek a deal out.
26:52We'll see if we want to match it.
26:54If we don't want to match it, you can leave.
26:55If that team's not giving up any picks, leave.
26:57Or if no offers are out there, Ryan, no offers are out there.
27:02We're keeping them on $10 to $11 million, which would be really nice, cap-friendly for us.
27:06It's basically 40% off of what the exclusive is.
27:12Or, you know, you're no man's land.
27:16I mean, with what you're saying, you're going to have to look at another option at running back.
27:20I think there's only a few backs in this class I would look at, but where are we going, Rye?
27:25Where are we going with Brees for a year?
27:28I'm with you to keep him for a year, but you better make sure he wants to be here.
27:31I think if the transition tag doesn't work out...
27:35Hang on, real quick.
27:37I think you're thinking about this the wrong way.
27:39You were thinking way too much like a GM, like Darren Mugee, thinking three years in advance.
27:43You need to think about what Aaron Glenn, the man actually in charge, is thinking right now.
27:47What is he thinking about?
27:48How do I save my job and extend this into year three?
27:51Because that's what he's trying to do this year.
27:53He's trying to win as many games as possible.
27:55Brees Hall, who has won him literally two games,
27:59helped beat the Falcons, and single-handedly beat the Bengals, right?
28:03We all agree on that.
28:05I need Brees Hall back in my team.
28:07And even if it's a one-year deal, franchise tag, I'll use it to my power that we have,
28:12and let's make sure that we keep Brees for one more year and run it back the way we can.
28:16That is the only thing if I'm looking...
28:18Okay, do you think that's a good move for the Jets long-term, though?
28:21Yeah, one year.
28:22Who cares?
28:23It's one year of guaranteed money.
28:24They have $93 million in cap space.
28:26I don't care if it's $14.5 million in the cap, fully guaranteed.
28:30Fair enough.
28:30And you shouldn't care either because that's chunk change.
28:32The only thing I'm wondering is why.
28:36I just laid it out for you.
28:38Why long-term, though, I'm saying?
28:40What do you mean long-term?
28:41If Brees isn't going to...
28:43There is a chance, I'm saying.
28:45They could find a new running back next year in the draft.
28:47They could, but you have to...
28:48Yes, but if you give him the non-exclusive...
28:50Do you think the Giants regret giving Saquon the non-exclusive tag
28:54and then he ended up leaving the next year?
28:56Granted, Saquon actually wanted to stay, so...
28:57Yeah, Saquon actually wanted to stay, and let's be real.
28:59Brees is not Saquon.
29:01No, he's not.
29:02Saquon went to the perfect spot with the Eagles
29:03where they determined to run the ball.
29:06The best offensive line in football,
29:07and it was a perfect spot for him,
29:09and he had one of the greatest seasons ever a running back can have.
29:12This is a much different scenario here, buddy.
29:14Like, Brees Hall is super talented.
29:16I think he could be top eight, top five,
29:18if he really, really hits the high of highs.
29:21But I'm talking about this Jets offense.
29:23If they want to actually have a legitimate offense, Frankie,
29:27and I mean legitimate of having a top 18 offense in the NFL
29:30because the Jets have been 32 or 30 or 31 in the NFL
29:34in terms of quarterback efficiency, scoring,
29:36all the stats we see, Warren Sharp taking shots at the Jets on social media.
29:41I'm talking about slightly moving above that
29:44from the depth of the NFL being the worst offense
29:47because the Jets have been so despair in terms of
29:50how we're running an offense, it's inefficient, it's miserable.
29:53How many times are we watching games going,
29:55I feel like I'm watching a different sport
29:57from the quarterback and the offensive side of the ball.
30:00They've churned through how many offensive coordinators
30:02in the last couple of years.
30:03So if you're telling me I get Frank Reich,
30:06a known veteran play caller,
30:07and I'm giving him the chance to pick whatever quarterback
30:10he wants to be the bridge quarterback,
30:12he's going to want to bring Brees Hall back.
30:14And if Aaron Glenn says, yeah, no problem
30:16because I think that'll help us win games,
30:17that is the only thing they are thinking about.
30:202026, Brees Hall, one-year deal, franchise tag him, move on.
30:24That's it, man. Move on to the next thing you can do.
30:26Yeah. The last thing I'll say about Brees Hall, I'll say this.
30:30Sometimes I question his running ability within the tackle.
30:33And that's granted.
30:34You have a 100% way of thinking about that.
30:36And I'm almost, I don't want to say sick of it,
30:39but I'm like, he barely got over 1,000 yards.
30:42How many touches does this guy need to get to his peak season?
30:47We wanted to use him as a pass catcher,
30:50and that didn't really work out this year.
30:52We were talking last week on the How to Fix the Jets show,
30:55which was a great show, by the way.
30:56I would highly recommend it.
30:57But we're talking about Kenneth Gain while having 75 or whatever,
31:0178 catches last year.
31:02I'm like, Brees last year was, for the most part, a disappointment.
31:06I know Kaz said he should have been the team MVP,
31:08but that's like saying, you know, I'm the tallest guy.
31:11I should have made that joke.
31:13But, you know, it's just, man, come on.
31:17Like, it's, I'm just, I almost want to see a new back back there.
31:20I want to see Jadarion Price be the running back.
31:25We love him, man.
31:25Him and Braylon Allen kind of beasting within the tackles.
31:29I'm just, I'm sick of this, like, Brees experiment.
31:31If Braylon can stay healthy, they might have a good one-two again.
31:36Like, it's a lot of ifs.
31:37I know, I know.
31:38We're playing the if.
31:39And we're playing the game.
31:40You're right with the non-exclusive.
31:41Gun to my head, I'm giving him that.
31:42But you understand that just could be a complete waste of money and time, right?
31:47A one-year deal?
31:48And looks for a year.
31:49Of one year?
31:49Where are the Jets going with him for a year?
31:51Where are they going without him?
31:53You might start thinking about other things, though.
31:55You might give Braylon a full half of a load.
31:56You've told me, hang on, real quick, because this is driving me crazy.
32:00You literally told me last week this is a terrible running back draft class.
32:04There's a few guys I do like, though.
32:06As starting full-time running backs?
32:08There's a few.
32:09Yeah, I told you, Jadarion.
32:11You are on a, then you're on a real island there.
32:13Because everyone else I've heard is saying this is not a good running back class.
32:16It's not.
32:17So, why am I saying, let's go take a look at something that's completely unknown
32:22when I know I have a superiorly talented running back in Brees Hall
32:26who can catch with the best of them.
32:28And I can have a new offense with a bridge quarterback, a veteran quarterback,
32:32that's going to give us better quarterback play than we've had in the last
32:34friggin' 10 years.
32:36It's going to open more things up for Brees Hall.
32:38And I want to see what I can get out of that.
32:40And it's going to help me, Aaron Glenn, save my job if I can win more games
32:43and prove that we can have an actual viable top 18.
32:46That's all I'm asking for.
32:47Top 18 offense.
32:49You're talking exactly the way that Aaron Glenn,
32:52or thinking exactly the way that Aaron Glenn should be thinking.
32:54Because I'm being realistic.
32:54But let me say from a fan perspective,
32:56we had Aaron Rodgers here was going to unlock Brees, didn't happen.
32:59We were supposed to unlock him this year.
33:01He tore his Achilles.
33:01We were going to unlock him this year.
33:03It kind of, I guess, didn't happen.
33:04Hang on, Aaron Rodgers ran his own offense.
33:07But I'm just saying.
33:07He checked out of how many run plays.
33:09At some point.
33:09And Brees, I've read some things and I've seen some things where
33:15people question if he even wants to be here.
33:18I know he doesn't want to be here.
33:19Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
33:20So you're going to bring, that's what I'm saying.
33:21Like, there's two sides to this argument.
33:23But I'm trying to win games.
33:25Yeah, I don't know if that's the best course of action.
33:28See, now you're looking too much like a fan, in my opinion,
33:31a fan of tank, tank, tank, tank, tank.
33:33I don't want to tank.
33:33I just don't want to do this again.
33:34No, you are.
33:34You're tanky V.
33:35Like, we all know that.
33:36Like, that's how you are.
33:37Everyone knows he's tanky V.
33:39I'm tanky V.
33:39I mean, I told you this was going to be a rough one.
33:42You're just unbelievable.
33:43Like, be realistic.
33:44I'm told teams don't tank.
33:45How many teams started to tank?
33:46The Jets tanked last year.
33:47The Jets tanked.
33:47A bunch of teams.
33:48Yeah, we all know they tanked.
33:49Teams are starting to tank a lot more.
33:50The NBA's tanking.
33:51Like, the NFL's tanking now, too.
33:52But, like, look.
33:52Listen, you're right with the win games, the most strategic way to handle him.
33:56If my offense is going to actually be a real offense,
33:58I can't handle a rookie unknown that's most likely not a starting running back,
34:04Braylon Allen coming off a bad knee injury.
34:06And, I mean, what?
34:08Isaiah Davis?
34:10I don't know if it's a bad knee injury.
34:10It was a bad knee injury.
34:11He was out for the whole year, Frankie.
34:13Yeah, but he had a timetable.
34:14He even could have returned.
34:15He was out for the whole year.
34:17It's not a bad knee injury.
34:19If that's not a bad knee injury, then I don't know what a bad knee injury is.
34:22Missing more than two months is a bad knee injury.
34:25He'll be fine.
34:26Trust me.
34:27Okay.
34:28Okay.
34:28Is that an ACL or a PCL?
34:29A guy who's a power runner coming off a bad knee injury.
34:33He'll be fine.
34:34Man, we live in different worlds than looking at these things.
34:36Let's finish this up.
34:38Jets five and a half.
34:39The wins can't.
34:40Sorry.
34:40You got me flustered now because of this goddamn Brees Hall stuff.
34:44So, he has Brian.
34:45Brian is, what's your take on this?
34:48Can he talk?
34:49No, he can't talk.
34:51This is total chaos right now.
34:53Are you in for Brees or are you out for Brees?
34:55He's talking to my producer right now.
34:56He's in for Brees.
34:57He says bring Brees back.
34:58All right.
34:58So, I'm unnumbered.
34:59He's a Cowboys fan and he loves Zeke Elliott.
35:01He knows that you always keep your running backs, especially in the house.
35:04Yeah, and that worked out well for them.
35:05It didn't for them, to be honest with you.
35:07So, look.
35:10Season win totals for all the NFL teams came out in the draft.
35:14DraftKings was one of them.
35:15Some other sportsbooks came out.
35:17The official over-under win total.
35:20Over-under.
35:21For the Jets in 2026, Frankie, is five and a half.
35:25Ugh.
35:27I think that's right.
35:28I think five and a half makes sense.
35:30I think it's too high.
35:32You think it's too high?
35:32I do.
35:33You're not the first person to say that to me either.
35:34I think it should be four and a half.
35:36If Kirk Cousins is the quarterback this year in 2026.
35:39If Kirk Cousins is the quarterback, you could convince me on six and a half.
35:42I would say five, six wins make sense for the Jets.
35:45The schedule's not easy.
35:48Listen, it's a...
35:49By the way, I do think the Dolphins are tanking.
35:51They look like they're stripping it down to its bare parts here and bare bones and then
35:57trying to go into the following year, drafting a quarterback like that.
36:01I'm sure the Jets are going to be trying to as well.
36:03I think the Jets are going to go two games above that or two games below that, depending
36:08on the quarterback and the coaching staff.
36:10I actually, to be honest, I'll say this.
36:12I'll be a little positive today for once.
36:15I do like some of the coaching hires.
36:18I love Carl Dunbar coming back.
36:19I do like Frank Reich as a senior mind there, someone with experience.
36:24I hate that we got rid of Tanner, but regardless, that's a sunk cost at that point.
36:29Worry about the next move, and I thought that was good.
36:32I like Musgrave to a degree.
36:34You can't substitute it for experience.
36:36I like Rex's son, Seth Ryan, there.
36:39I like Markle that they brought in.
36:41I like some of the stuff they did on defense.
36:43I like that Glenn's calling the defense.
36:45So I think from a coaching perspective, I think they set themselves up in a good way.
36:50What they should have done last year with the coaching staff, to be honest with you.
36:52They should have done this last year.
36:53You're right.
36:53They should have done this last year.
36:55Exactly.
36:56And then if it didn't work out with the experience, then you can start the rebuild with the young
36:59guys.
36:59You're 100% right there.
37:01With that said, Ryan, I think it might work, or it might have been a year too late.
37:06Where it's just all over the place.
37:08This is a bad football team.
37:08It doesn't make sense.
37:09And they win two or three games.
37:10Don't get this twisted, Jones fans.
37:11This is a bad football team.
37:13You could draft as many great players as you want right now.
37:16They are not going to turn this around to being a 7, 8, 9 win team next year unless something
37:22miraculous happens.
37:23They're playing the Bills obviously twice, the Dolphins twice, the Patriots twice.
37:27Then they got the Broncos, the Raiders who stink, the Packers, the Vikings, the Browns who stink.
37:33They got the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Bears, the Lions, and then they play two more clunkers
37:41than the Titans and the Cardinals.
37:42And a lot of those tough teams are on the road too.
37:45So it's going to be like a lot of hard games.
37:49But then like the Dolphins should be easy.
37:52The Browns should be easy.
37:54The Raiders should be easier.
37:55And then the Titans and Cardinals, maybe you can squeak a win out there.
37:58I think four to five wins make sense right now with this Jets team.
38:03Kirk Cousins brings them to that five or six win, I would say, for the Jets right now.
38:07Yeah.
38:08Five and a half does tell me, though, that there's probably some real murmurs out there
38:13or there's some actual speculation that the Jets might be in that quarterback market.
38:19It might be looking at a Kyler Murray, a Derek Carr, someone like maybe they want to pay Malik Willis.
38:24And if they do one of those moves, that then talks to that five and a half number
38:29because I can't see today the Jets winning six games right now with what they have.
38:35Yeah.
38:35I mean, right now, Brees Hall is not under contract.
38:37It's just Garrett Wilson.
38:39AVT is not under contract.
38:40AVT, John Simpson's a free agent.
38:41They have one starting corner right now in Brandon Stevens.
38:45They only have one starting linebacker.
38:47They got, obviously, Will McDonald, Jermaine Johnson.
38:49They don't have really good nose tackles.
38:51They have no safeties on the roster pretty much.
38:54I think that also speaks a little bit maybe also to the draft capital.
38:59Like when we talk about how real the draft capital is, 216 and 33, that's real.
39:03And 44.
39:05That's really good.
39:06That's the best out of any team in football.
39:08We're coming into this.
39:09They need three of those four players to be legitimate starters this year.
39:13Yeah.
39:14Three need to be starters.
39:15Two need to have all pro trajectories.
39:18All pro.
39:19Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
39:20I'm saying two of those have to have some sort of trajectory.
39:22If they're starters, they need at least three of those four picks to happen.
39:26Yeah, three.
39:26Definitely.
39:27Look, it's a terrible quarterback draft.
39:29We've gone over that multiple times.
39:30They're going to be going the bridge quarterback route this year unless they can somehow swing
39:34a trade for a quarterback that we're not thinking about.
39:37What happened with you?
39:38I want to ask you this question.
39:40I'll ask you a question.
39:41You were huge on Ty Simpson the first half of the football season.
39:44And I know a lot of people that were, and they quietly pulled the plug.
39:49Like, is anyone looking?
39:51I'm out.
39:51Like, and I don't know.
39:53Is that fair?
39:53Can I tell you why?
39:54Is that fair due to the injury and the offensive line play out bad?
39:57It was a no running game in Alabama.
39:58Yeah.
39:58You want to know why?
39:58I think there's too much credibility to the fact that he has only 16 starts in his career,
40:07and you need to have, at minimum, I think that the number is, what, 20, 25, something like that?
40:12Almost 30.
40:13Almost 30.
40:14He doesn't have enough experience starting, and quarterbacks like that, besides Cam Newton,
40:18don't come out of college and have success ever in the NFL.
40:20It's such a rarity, and I don't think the Jets have the affordability to say,
40:25let's take, like you just said, take one of those top 44 picks and say, yeah, let's spend it on
40:29a quarterback
40:30that is really, really a project that we, like, maybe he can be a somewhat viable starting quarterback.
40:37But in all reality, we might be looking at the next, like, J.J. McCarthy,
40:40one of the worst starting quarterbacks statistically in the history of the NFL.
40:43Like, that's what we're talking about disparity-wise.
40:47So it was a really bad, like, stretch for him at the end.
40:50Like, the tools are allowed there.
40:52Like, I think he can be extremely accurate.
40:54I love that he's a coach's son, and, you know, football's born and bred in him.
40:59But, like, I just don't see the Jets putting a pick into him unless he slips to 33,
41:05and then it's like, you know what?
41:07There's always less pressure when you take a quarterback in the second round compared to that first round.
41:11You know what I mean?
41:11Yeah.
41:12When you tag a guy in the first round and say, tag your guy in the first round,
41:16there is a ton of pressure that goes in that quarterback to say,
41:19you have to become an actual starting quarterback within the first two years of your career.
41:23And if you don't, you become a bust.
41:25And then if it comes to the second round pick, it's like, you know, like Tyler Shuck.
41:29You know, like, hey, maybe we got something here.
41:31Maybe the last five games of the year, you know, the season this year, Ty Simpson,
41:36let's say the Jets take him at 33, and, you know, he starts the last, you know,
41:39five to six games, and he wins two of them, and you're like, hey,
41:43he went for seven touchdowns and two interceptions in that five, six-game span.
41:47We might have something here.
41:48You know, like, and he can build for that the following year.
41:51So, I think there is a possibility that he is there at 33.
41:55Maybe.
41:56Because everyone has him as a consensus second quarterback in this draft.
42:00When you start doing that too early in the process,
42:03and when it's such a weak class after one,
42:06you're going to have other quarterbacks that are going to propel.
42:09You're going to have the Garrett Nussmeyer, maybe Carson Beck.
42:12You never know.
42:13There might be a shooting star, they call them, where they kind of jump up,
42:16and they might be that, they might take Ty's spot in the late first round,
42:22and then Ty could be there at 33.
42:25I'm just saying, it's just something interesting.
42:27Yeah.
42:27I mean, I think us as Jets fans, though, we've burned so many times
42:30with how they've drafted these quarterbacks and not been able to develop any of them.
42:34And you've seen guys like Sam Donald go and develop in other places after multiple years
42:38and being in different spots, and now he's winning a Super Bowl,
42:41and it's like, Jets can't get anything right right now.
42:44So, I think, again, this goes back to what I was trying to say,
42:47where the sole focus of Aaron Glenn is he's trying to win as many games as possible
42:51to save his job.
42:52You would agree with that, right?
42:53100%.
42:53So, if I'm looking at his mentality, it's tagging Brees Hall,
42:57it's getting a bridge quarterback that you know is a veteran that can lead this offense,
43:01can be a leader in the locker room,
43:02because you know this Jets locker room needs a lot of leadership for this year.
43:06Absolutely.
43:07And someone that can operate well with Frank Reich and say,
43:10I can handle your offense,
43:11we can get the ball into Brees and Garrett Wilson's hands as much as possible.
43:15Maybe as a playmaker, we take in the top 44.
43:18We can get the ball in his hands as well.
43:20And then let's see how many games we can squeak out here going into 2027.
43:24Yeah.
43:24I just, man, I'm just, as a fan, dude,
43:27I am just not, I don't have it in me to go through a year
43:31where, like, they win five or six games,
43:33and they're, like, pulling as hard as they can
43:36to try to squeak out these wins.
43:38And then, like, it's, like, what are you doing this for?
43:41Like, what?
43:42And I hate thinking like that.
43:43It's such a bad way to think.
43:46It's not a good way to look at it.
43:47But it's a reality, though.
43:47I know.
43:48But don't, again, I would say don't look at it that way.
43:52Yeah, that's fair.
43:52I just, we can't approach with that mindset, in my opinion, as a Jets fan.
43:56We've been through so much darkness right now.
43:58Like, we have.
43:59I know.
44:00I want to see something that is actually.
44:03Again, I think I went back to this with you a bunch here over the years
44:07when we were doing this podcast.
44:08Like, don't lie to me.
44:09Like, don't tell me we have something here when we don't.
44:12Like, I'm fine with winning six games with Ty Simpson starting at quarterback.
44:15Sure.
44:15I'm fine with that.
44:16I'm not fine with winning six games.
44:18With our cousins?
44:19Yeah, or Marcus Mariota.
44:20Like, I'm good.
44:21Like, I'm very good on that.
44:22Like, at least give me something that I could look forward to.
44:25Like, all right, that might be the guy.
44:27That might be the guy.
44:28Well, I think you would still see that either way.
44:31Uh, potentially.
44:32Yeah, I mean, it's.
44:33I'm not talking about from the quarterback.
44:34I'm talking about from the general, from the team.
44:36Like, if we take David Bailey, it's like, holy crap,
44:38he turned into a 10-sack player in his rookie year,
44:40and there's real potential there to be a real answer.
44:42Yeah, that would be nice.
44:42Like, you know, let's say they find a safety in this draft,
44:45or they find a real wide receiver in this draft that could be a wide receiver
44:48to a big man to Garrett Wilson as, you know, Batman.
44:50So, it's like, yeah, I would love to see those things happen.
44:53That's what I'm trying to focus on.
44:55That's what I'm trying to project, hopefully, for this team going forward.
44:58But I know the reality that you're talking about here.
45:00We're talking about a team.
45:02Vegas knows it.
45:03We know it.
45:03It's a bottom three team in the NFL right now.
45:06And there's a good potential they could be the worst team in the NFL next year
45:09if things don't go their way.
45:11But Aaron Glenn is trying to go in that mindset of, F that.
45:14We need to find real good players.
45:16We need to sign veterans, which we all know he's going to in this free agency.
45:19I have a feeling they're going to actually be more active than they have
45:21in the last couple of years in free agency,
45:23bringing in Aaron Glenn's guys, probably from Detroit,
45:27and try to bring that mindset of, let's win some football games.
45:31Let's grind them out.
45:32Let's see if we can get something there.
45:33I like the coaching staff a lot better than last year, man.
45:35So, maybe they can turn some games around and get better luck in these games.
45:40And maybe, like, Aaron Glenn can find himself in better spots.
45:43But overall, man, got to be positive here.
45:46It's the offseason.
45:47This is where we're supposed to shine.
45:48I mean, the Jets are Super Bowl champions.
45:50It's a good thing we're not.
45:52Look, we have the picks, though.
45:53We have the picks, and we just talked about it.
45:55Listen, we hit on Arvel Reese if he's worthy of that number two overall pick.
45:59Jets fans, let us know what you think in the comments
46:00if you think Arvel Reese is worth that number two pick.
46:03Would you tag Brees Hall?
46:05And ultimately, do you see this team finishing with more or less than five and a half wins?
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46:21We got a ton of discussion around these players.
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46:26So we got it all for you.
46:28Until next time, Jets fans.
46:30For Frankie, for Ryan, go Jets.
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