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00:00Hello Kiwis, I'm Paddy Gower and I Have Got Issues.

00:10Now on this show we investigate issues big and small that are important to all of us.

00:15And tonight, before she died, Amy Rose was promised proper action on bowel cancer.

00:21It has not happened, so Juliette Speedy and I investigate.

00:25And night markets are full of light, energy and treats.

00:27But in the Auckland scene, all is not well.

00:30So Karen wades in.

00:42Alright, tonight my issue is with the Prime Minister of New Zealand, Christopher Luxon.

00:47And it is about bowel cancer and a promise that he made to lower the screening age.

00:53A promise that he has failed to keep.

00:55It is a massive fail, in my opinion, because screening and catching bowel cancer early saves lives.

01:02Now, 1,200 people die from bowel cancer every year in this country.

01:06And Health New Zealand itself estimated that 550, almost half of those, are preventable.

01:12That's more than 10 deaths.

01:1410 Kiwis dying every single week that could be prevented.

01:17Now this awful disease is everywhere.

01:20And the science shows us that it is getting us younger and younger.

01:24Now, our bowel cancer screening age is about to be 58.

01:28It was 60.

01:29The government is just about to lower it a little bit.

01:31But in Australia, it is much, much lower at age 45.

01:36That's a lot more people finding out in time that they have bowel cancer.

01:41And that's what Christopher Luxon promised to lower our screening age to age 45.

01:47And screening is as simple as this.

01:50Your doctor gives you one of these, which is a poop test.

01:55And the Prime Minister made his promise, by the way, to the people of New Zealand, and specifically to a young woman called Amy Rose.

02:03She had bowel cancer, and sadly, she has just died.

02:06But that doesn't mean that Christopher Luxon's promise goes away.

02:11Tonight, we're going to see if he will keep it.

02:12And this really is an issue for all of us.

02:17All right.

02:18Joining me is Karen O'Leary, my friend, and also my good friend, my old friend, Juliet Speedy.

02:23Everybody knows somebody, it seems, who's suffered from bowel cancer in this country.

02:28What about you two?

02:29Yeah, definitely.

02:29I had a friend who, a guy had two young daughters, and he died in his mid-30s.

02:33It was horrible.

02:34Yeah, a really good friend of mine, Ollie Newman.

02:36He's my age, your age, Paddy.

02:37And as we know, that's young.

02:39And he had aggressive bowel cancer.

02:41He has had aggressive treatment, and is thankfully in remission.

02:44But when he was diagnosed, I thought him getting it at his age was unusual.

02:47But what I found out is it's not.

02:49And that's why I wanted to investigate this with you, Paddy.

02:52Yeah, and we'll really get into that bit as well.

02:53And we'll find out later why people are getting it earlier, because nobody really knows why, actually.

02:58And the whole reason we're here tonight, though, as I said earlier, is because of a young person who died of bowel cancer,

03:05but wanted to fight so that other people could have a better chance.

03:11I love this one.

03:12I think it's my favourite.

03:14She just smiles.

03:15You know, she's just so happy.

03:17Aaron's wife, Amy Rose, was given this photo board to remember the good times.

03:21At just 32 years old, she was dying of bowel cancer.

03:27So she was a primary school teacher.

03:29It really filled her cup and filled her with joy to look after children and sort of help to guide them.

03:36And it just really energised her.

03:38How would you describe Amy to people who hadn't met her?

03:44She was special.

03:45She lit up a room, you know, when she walked in there.

03:49She was a bit of a beacon of light.

03:52We got married back in October 2020, just sort of beginning to work out what we wanted to do as a couple

03:59and think about our future together.

04:01It is at school.

04:02Wow.

04:03But then Amy Rose went for a colonoscopy.

04:06Her mum had died of cancer, so this was just a precaution.

04:09And we came away from that appointment with a stage four cancer diagnosis.

04:17So it really was a death sentence from day one.

04:21Terminal cancer.

04:22Yeah.

04:23This is the kicker, right?

04:24Because she was so perfectly healthy.

04:27If it wasn't for the check-up, we wouldn't have known.

04:31Her motto was, I may have cancer, but cancer doesn't have me.

04:35So anything she could have done to help make change or positively impact other people, she was all for.

04:44Which included fronting up to the leaders' debate.

04:50Tonight, we're going to be able to fix something right here, right now, if you're prepared to do it.

04:54The news hub leaders' debate took place before the 2023 election.

04:59We'd invited Amy Rose to come.

05:01She was almost too sick to make it.

05:03She had her pump in.

05:05She's getting chemo while we were sitting there listening to the leaders' debate.

05:09She had a little sick cut there, just in case she threw up.

05:13So to be there to campaign on getting the bowel cancer screening age lowered, that was a big, big deal.

05:21Sitting in our audience right up there is Amy Rose Yates.

05:25She's got stage four terminal bowel cancer.

05:28And she's in her early 30s.

05:30The national age for screening in this country is 60.

05:35Her question is, will either of you lower the age of screening and save the lives of Kiwis?

05:44Yeah, I'd like to do that.

05:45Do you want to bring it down as well, Chris Sickpens?

05:47Yes, absolutely I do.

05:48The age in Australia is 50 or 45 if you ask for it.

05:52Will you commit to matching Australia on bowel cancer screening?

05:55Yeah, we did the same on breast cancer.

05:57We looked at what happened in Canada, the UK and Australia at 74 and I think we should use those same measures.

06:02So you'll bring it down to that.

06:06Chris Sickpens?

06:07Yes.

06:08Alright, thank you, both of you.

06:10And thank you for coming.

06:13I don't think it gets any more clear cut than that.

06:16Look how happy she was.

06:17Yeah.

06:18You know, she really felt like she made a difference in that moment.

06:23Amy, we heard some big promises from both leaders actually.

06:25They both wanted to reduce the age from 60 down to 50 and down to 45.

06:30Do you believe both of those leaders or are they just empty campaign promises?

06:34I mean, I guess time will tell to see if they actually walk the walk.

06:39The government hasn't done what Christopher Luxon said he would do that day.

06:44What do you think she would be thinking about that?

06:48She would be disappointed with that.

06:51After Christopher Luxon's first 100 days in office, Amy Rose wrote to him.

06:56Basically just saying, hey, you made this promise.

07:02Do you remember me?

07:04And she never heard back.

07:06No response.

07:07So on behalf of Amy, what do you say to Christopher Luxon, the Prime Minister of New Zealand?

07:12Do what you said you were going to do.

07:13Change it.

07:15You made a promise.

07:16Do it.

07:17It's evident looking out at all of you that Amy Rose's reach was far and wide and she hadn't...

07:28Amy Rose died in July.

07:30Her memorial held at the school she loved.

07:33She even recorded her own goodbye.

07:36Hi, everyone.

07:37If you're watching this video, then, well, it's not good news for me.

07:42Like, I'm very lucky to have lived a full life, a short life, but a full life nonetheless.

07:50My advice to all of you who still are here is look after each other.

07:56That's all we can ever ask, right?

07:59Because, you know, at the start of this year, I was a happy, healthy girl and now my life's changed.

08:06I love you guys.

08:07Thank you so much.

08:08Ka kite.

08:12All right, regarding Amy Rose's letter to the Prime Minister, his office say they did respond to that letter,

08:19saying that Shane Reddy, Dr Shane Reddy, the Health Minister at the time, would get back to her.

08:23Shane Reddy's response was that the government was spending more on cancer drugs,

08:26but Amy Rose was of the belief that that was ambulance at the bottom of the cliff thinking.

08:32So, Juliet, this is all about bowel cancer screening.

08:35How does that screening that I held up earlier, how does it work?

08:38Well, this is the first frontier, Paddy.

08:40This is the faecal immunochemical test, a.k.a. the poop test.

08:45Essentially, you send a bit of your poop away on that.

08:47If there's blood in it, you're off for a colonoscopy.

08:49All right, and a colonoscopy is obviously a very invasive procedure,

08:54but I wanted to know what that felt like, so I went off to get invaded,

08:57and I actually went and had a colonoscopy.

09:02This is a nice look.

09:03Yep, anti-slip for health and safety.

09:06Well, it's going to be a pretty interesting half an hour or so ahead

09:09as I head in and have what needs to be inserted and inserted

09:13and have what needs to be scanned, scanned, and it needs to go where it has to go.

09:16And I think everybody knows where that is.

09:19Take everything off, including your underpants.

09:21Great.

09:22I've been prepping, which has meant turning my number twos

09:26into what people would call number ones.

09:29I've just created a sort of smooth entranceway, if that makes any sense.

09:35It's not medical.

09:35But, yeah, I'll get this on, and we'll be ready to go.

09:41I think I'll do it.

09:48Oh, that was the best part I've done all day.

09:51We're over halfway around now.

09:55There's a pollock there, Paddy.

09:57I've got a pit crop it off here I'm going to let out.

09:59Oh, my God.

10:00That's good.

10:01And clothing.

10:02That's the pollock gone.

10:04Now I've got a...

10:05I'm going to remove it.

10:07I'm very grateful that I'm having this procedure.

10:10I'd hear what you did.

10:11Thank you, everyone.

10:12You're welcome.

10:13It's good that you had the procedure,

10:14particularly given what I've seen already.

10:17There's another wee pollock there.

10:19Wow.

10:20So what I'm doing is washing

10:21and making sure that I'm not missing anything.

10:23I'm looking behind folds.

10:25So that's one there.

10:26You can see that one.

10:27Oh, yeah.

10:28I think there's another one, actually.

10:29I just think that's a different one.

10:31Close.

10:32Close.

10:32And cut.

10:35And out.

10:40So that was in my rectum.

10:41That was the second one.

10:42Wow.

10:45That was going to the lab.

10:46Okay.

10:47Off they go to the lab.

10:48That's great.

10:49Thanks, guys.

10:55Super excellent.

10:55Thanks.

10:56What are you feeling like eating?

10:57Oh, just any...

10:59Sandwiches?

10:59Yeah, it would be great to have some sandwiches.

11:01That's right.

11:02And a biscuit?

11:03Yeah, and a biscuit.

11:04Yeah, go on.

11:05I'll get someone to get that all the time.

11:06Yeah, go on.

11:07Now that everyone's gone, I can just say that they obviously get a bit of a fright.

11:12There's a pre-cancerous polyp found, and they found another polyp.

11:16So this goes to show why this is so important.

11:20For me, you know, I think I've said before I'm really frightened of cancer.

11:24So I'm glad I got it done.

11:26It wasn't a normal colonoscopy.

11:28You did have something wrong.

11:30And in fact, I've got a picture of it over here.

11:34I suspect looking at that polyp is probably what we call an adenoma,

11:37which means that it's a pre-cancerous polyp.

11:41Left alone and in a dark, moist spot, it will grow over the next sort of 8 to 10 years,

11:47and it would turn up, you know, about 10 years' time, a high chance,

11:51but turning up is more mischief for you.

11:55Holy shit.

11:56Yes.

11:56Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

11:58I mean, you know, I wasn't meant to be here having a colonoscopy.

12:02You know, we've done this for the show,

12:04and you're telling me that there's something right there

12:06that could be a full-blown cancer in 10 years' time inside me.

12:10Yes, it could be.

12:11By the time you reach the National Bowel Cancer Screening Age of 60,

12:15you may well have missed the boat.

12:20Bloody hell, Paddy.

12:21That's pretty scary.

12:22You wouldn't have had any idea if you hadn't gone for that colonoscopy.

12:25Yeah, I feel very lucky and privileged to actually have been able to have that procedure

12:29when there's a drastic shortage of colonoscopies in this country,

12:32and I do want to make it clear that Dr. Frank Frizzell gave that to me for this show.

12:37It was technically a private operation, but he even jammed it in outside of extra time,

12:42so it didn't take up anybody else's spot because I know that people are desperate to have them.

12:46Yeah, Paddy, there is a massive waitlist for colonoscopies in this country.

12:50Recent Health New Zealand figures show more than 20,000 people are currently waiting for them,

12:55and more than half of those are already waiting longer than they should be.

12:57And it's expensive too.

12:59They're up to $4,000 a pop.

13:01Yeah, now Missy Vining, who is a friend of mine and one of the great cancer campaigners,

13:05along with her husband Blair,

13:07she has said to me that any bowel cancer screening would need to be backed up with more colonoscopies.

13:13We would need to reinforce the country with all those poop tests going out there.

13:17We need to reinforce the health system if we do do this.

13:20A good point by Missy Vining.

13:22Now, coming up, Juliet meets a woman who has terminal bowel cancer,

13:27but it wouldn't be this way if the screening age was lower.

13:32And Karen discovers quite a stoush at the night markets in Auckland.

13:35She's willing to eat whatever it takes to get it sorted.

13:48Kia ora, Kiwi, and welcome back to Paddy Gower Has Issues.

13:52Now, tonight we are asking for better bowel cancer screening in this country,

13:56and it is time to go behind the issues.

13:59OK, now, bowel cancer is when tumours form in the mucus lining in the bowel.

14:07And these tumours start as clusters of fast-growing cells called polyps,

14:11like the ones that Dr. Frank Frizzell found in my bowel.

14:14Now, over years, these polyps can grow, developing abnormal cells, and become tumours.

14:20Then they can spread through the bowel wall and into the other organs in the body.

14:26Now, we have a real problem when it comes to getting bowel cancer in this country.

14:30We have got the sixth highest rate of this cancer in the world,

14:36and we know that bowel cancer is bad.

14:38It's got a 61% survival rate, which is well below breast cancer, prostrate, and skin cancer.

14:44But the thing is, catch it early, and it is treatable.

14:49At stage one, there is a 90% chance that you will survive.

14:54But if you don't find out until it's stage four, your chances plummet to just 10%.

14:59And more than one in four cases here in New Zealand don't get diagnosed

15:03until the patient actually shows up in the emergency department with extreme symptoms.

15:10Now, there has been a massive rise in young Kiwi, like Amy Rose, getting bowel cancer.

15:17And for Kiwi under 45, it is the most common cancer death.

15:21One Kiwi under 45 dies every week of bowel cancer.

15:26And it's a big issue for Māori and Pasifika too,

15:30partly because on average their bowel cancer is diagnosed later,

15:34so their survival rate is much, much lower.

15:36Now, Pākehā have about 61% chance of surviving bowel cancer beyond five years.

15:41For Māori and Pasifika, that is just 53%.

15:45Now, the previous government wanted to lower the screening age

15:48down to 50% for Māori and Pacific people to increase their survival rates.

15:52But even those plans have now been scrapped.

15:55And that leads us to our next story.

15:58It is about Cheryl and Juliet went up to Kaikoui to meet a rugby legend

16:03tackling a disease that her doctors say could have been caught

16:06if the screening age was lower.

16:11This is the famous rugby club.

16:12Yes, it is.

16:13This is the famous Kaikoui rugby and sports club,

16:17where all the greats come from.

16:19Oh, many, many.

16:20Renowned former Black Fern Cheryl Waka, back where it all began.

16:26Last year, she was made a life member.

16:29Real privileged to be given a life member.

16:33And, of course, to have Dad up there as well.

16:36Yeah, he would have been so proud to see your name there.

16:40Cheryl's 11-year-old daughter, Kahurangi,

16:43plays rugby at the Kaikoui club too.

16:45The Wakas have rugby in their blood.

16:48I'll do one more.

16:50So my Dad's a Māori all-black.

16:52My older brother, Tuck, is a Māori all-black.

16:55My younger brother, Brett, is a New Zealand Colts trialist.

16:58I was lucky enough as well to represent Northland

17:01and then make New Zealand.

17:05Cheryl played for the Black Ferns in the 1998 and 2002 World Cups.

17:10They're the champions by 44 and a 12.

17:13New Zealand, the champions title.

17:16She's back at the club tonight presenting jerseys

17:19to her former Northland Kauri team

17:21ahead of their match against Wellington.

17:23Making her debut for the Kauri on Saturday.

17:26It's Bailey Ray.

17:27Oh!

17:31You know the importance of the jersey.

17:34I was grateful enough to wear it,

17:38coach the Kauri at the beginning.

17:40But now Cheryl Waka has a new opposition to fight.

17:45Stage 4 bowel cancer.

17:47And I'll never forget the day, 4th of June, 2025.

17:52I was having breakfast and the next minute

17:55I was in excruciating pain on the floor.

17:58She managed to get herself to hospital

17:59where she had a CAT scan.

18:01They came in and said,

18:03sorry Cheryl,

18:05you've got a cancer tumour in your bowel.

18:10And it wasn't looking good.

18:12So I had to have emergency surgery

18:14there and then.

18:17And the hardest part

18:19was my kids

18:20knowing that they had to hear

18:25that

18:26don't know if mum's coming out of the theatre.

18:28My surgeon got

18:31the tumour out

18:32but unfortunately

18:33it had spread to my liver.

18:36She's now undergoing two treatments.

18:38One is chemotherapy.

18:40The other is an expensive drug

18:41that isn't funded.

18:43It was just like,

18:44oh, okay.

18:45I'm going to mortgage my house.

18:47And three friends,

18:49Chiki, Alan and Brenda

18:51just said,

18:53no, we're going to do a give a little.

18:55I tell you,

18:56it's been overwhelming.

18:59Cheryl is 55 years old.

19:02Her doctors said

19:03if she'd been screened younger,

19:05things could have been different

19:07and waiting till the current screening age of 58

19:10would likely have been too late.

19:12All they said is like,

19:15if the screening was lower,

19:17Cheryl,

19:18because you're non-symptomatic,

19:20which they just couldn't believe it,

19:22that I showed no symptoms.

19:24And if it was lowered,

19:27we most probably could have picked it up

19:30a lot earlier.

19:32I'm trying my hardest

19:33to bring the screening age down for use.

19:36It's too late for me.

19:38You know,

19:39I look at how much

19:40the government is paying

19:42just for me

19:42to have treatment now.

19:45like my surgeon.

19:47I had 13 work on me

19:49that night.

19:50Then six days in hospital.

19:53And then now,

19:54ongoing treatment.

19:55Like,

19:56just the cost,

19:57it's costing this country,

19:59the money could be better spent

20:00on screening.

20:02If you could sit

20:03in front of

20:03the health minister

20:04or the prime minister,

20:06what would you say?

20:07I'll just say,

20:08seriously,

20:10just lower the age.

20:12And that's exactly

20:14what Bowel Cancer New Zealand

20:15is calling for, too.

20:18A third of Kiwis

20:19will develop their cancer

20:20before they reach

20:21the screening age,

20:22and almost half of Maori.

20:24So what we need to do

20:25is actually what the government

20:25promised to do

20:26back in 2023,

20:28which is match Australia's

20:29screening age,

20:30bring it down to 45.

20:31If we do that

20:32and we screen earlier

20:33for Maori and Pacific,

20:34we think we can catch

20:3493% of cases

20:36before the age

20:38they develop the cancer,

20:39which would save

20:40many, many lives.

20:41Do you have

20:46small moments of darkness

20:47where you feel

20:48a bit scared?

20:50To be honest,

20:51no.

20:52I've embraced it.

20:54I've brought my

20:55sporting mindset

20:57to this.

20:58It just feels like

20:59I'm back in training again.

21:01So this is my little

21:02World Cup

21:03I'm fighting.

21:04Oh, that's amazing.

21:06Well done.

21:08Kia waki!

21:09Kia ora, Cheryl.

21:11Kia ora, ladies.

21:15Brilliant.

21:16Yeah, so thank you

21:17very much to Cheryl.

21:18It's all warks.

21:19She's known to her friends.

21:20She's a true wahine toa.

21:22Oh, and a great rugby player.

21:23So go Cheryl

21:23and obviously go

21:24the Blackbirds.

21:25And she did say

21:26one quite confronting

21:27thing to me, Cheryl.

21:28She said that she said

21:29to her own whanau

21:30that they should move

21:30to Australia.

21:31She said the Australian

21:32government look after

21:33the individual.

21:34They screen lower.

21:35Her cancer would likely

21:36have been picked up.

21:37But not only that,

21:37that unfunded drug she's on

21:39is fully funded in Australia.

21:40Yeah, holy heck.

21:41Now, the government

21:42scrapped that age

21:43of taking the age down

21:45for bowel cancer screening

21:46for Māori and Pacifica

21:47to 50.

21:48They scrapped that idea.

21:50Simeon Brown,

21:51the current health minister,

21:52is saying they did it

21:52because they wanted

21:53to bring the age overall

21:54from 60 to 58

21:55for Māori to Pākehā,

21:57which he reckons

21:58will save more lives.

22:00But that's still

22:00a long way away

22:01from 45 where it is

22:02in Australia.

22:03And the one thing

22:04we do know

22:04is younger people

22:05here in New Zealand

22:06but also all around

22:07the world

22:07are getting it

22:08more frequently.

22:09But what we don't know

22:10is why.

22:11But there's some

22:11world-class research

22:12going on here in New Zealand

22:13so I went to find out

22:14what that is.

22:16Kiwis love a barbecue.

22:18Right, I'll get

22:18the steak cooking.

22:20But our love of red meat

22:22carries a serious

22:23health risk.

22:26So, Catherine,

22:27how well established

22:28is the link between

22:29red meat and bowel cancer now?

22:31The evidence is really

22:32quite consistent

22:32that people that

22:34eat more red

22:35and processed meat

22:35are more likely

22:36to get bowel cancer.

22:39Catherine Bradbury

22:40worked on a large

22:41UK study involving

22:42half a million people.

22:44Is there a safe

22:45amount to eat

22:47where it's not

22:47considered to be a risk?

22:49For processed meat,

22:50no.

22:50The advice is really

22:51just to avoid eating it

22:53or limit it

22:54as much as possible.

22:55For red meat,

22:56try and limit it

22:57to three times a week

22:58or less.

23:00While red

23:00and processed meat

23:01are known factors,

23:03there's something else

23:04going on

23:04that's leading to

23:06a massive increase

23:07in young people

23:08getting bowel cancer.

23:09We call it

23:10early-onset bowel cancer.

23:12Dr. Frank Frizzell

23:13is one of the country's

23:14leading colorectal surgeons.

23:16He's noted

23:17a dramatic increase

23:18in people under 50

23:20getting bowel cancer.

23:21And it's increasing

23:23at a rate of about

23:2425% per decade

23:25or, if you're a Maori,

23:27about 35% per decade,

23:29which, as far as

23:30epidemiology changes

23:32of cancer is concerned,

23:33it's like a Ferrari.

23:35It's speeding away.

23:37And it's not

23:38just happening here.

23:39It's around the world

23:40and there's quite a

23:41collective of people

23:42doing work on it,

23:43trying to work out

23:44what's causing it.

23:45Because what they do know

23:47is the traditional causes

23:48of bowel cancer

23:49aren't necessarily

23:50why more young people

23:51are getting it.

23:52The red meat consumption

23:53has gone down,

23:54alcohol consumption

23:55has gone down,

23:55cigarette smoking

23:56has gone down,

23:58and yet we've got

23:59this increase.

24:00So something in the

24:00environment,

24:01something that we're

24:02not seeing as bad,

24:04is probably triggering this.

24:08Scientists around the world

24:10are trying to figure out

24:11the triggers,

24:12including microbiologist

24:13Krista Dawson.

24:15She's investigating

24:16whether microplastics

24:17play a part.

24:19This is where the magic

24:20happens.

24:20Yeah, this is our lab.

24:22The most common way

24:23that we get exposed

24:24to microplastics

24:25is through ingestion,

24:26so through our foods.

24:29Things like plastic drink

24:31bottles, plastic milk bottles,

24:33they're all big culprits.

24:35So what happens is

24:36the microplastics shed

24:38and we eat them

24:40and then they end up

24:41in the colon.

24:42These images show

24:44the microplastics in pink.

24:46So what we can see here

24:47is rather than just

24:48the bacteria

24:49sitting on top

24:50of the mucus,

24:51they're actually

24:51embedded within it,

24:53so they're adhered to it

24:54and they are in close contact

24:58with the cell layer.

25:00So is that showing

25:01microplastics

25:02getting into the mucus?

25:04Yeah, so they are stuck

25:05in that cell layer.

25:07Jackie Keenan

25:08has researched

25:08bowel cancer for years.

25:10Actually, when you read

25:11the literature,

25:12it makes a huge amount

25:12of sense because

25:13microplastics have

25:15sort of come into the world

25:16in a big way

25:16in the last 60-odd years

25:19and the increase

25:20in early-onset

25:21colorectal cancer

25:22has been going up steadily

25:24over that time as well.

25:25How important

25:26does this research feel

25:27to be involved in?

25:28It's incredibly important

25:30and those rates

25:31are just skyrocketing

25:32and the people

25:35are just getting

25:36younger and younger

25:36and, yeah,

25:38it is really scary to see.

25:39So, Paddy,

25:43all sorts of things

25:43are being investigated,

25:44not just microplastics.

25:46They're also looking

25:46at maybe sugary drinks,

25:48antibiotic use,

25:49but the long and short

25:50of it is they still

25:51don't know what's causing it

25:52and that is why

25:53it's so important

25:53to bring down

25:54the screening age.

25:55Totally.

25:56Now, coming up,

25:56we have Christopher Luxon

25:58on about this failure

26:00to keep his promise

26:01to Amy Rose.

26:03Come on, Chris.

26:04Will you sort it out?

26:05And there's unrest

26:06and controversy

26:07amongst the storeholders

26:08at the Auckland

26:09night markets.

26:10Can Karen calm

26:11the farm?

26:22Good day,

26:23and welcome back

26:23to Paddy Gower

26:24Has Issues

26:25where we are looking

26:25at why are bowel cancer

26:26screening ages

26:2713 years higher

26:29than Aussies

26:29and the crucial issue

26:31here, Juliet,

26:31is how much will this

26:33cost the taxpayer

26:33and can we do it?

26:35Bowel Cancer New Zealand

26:36says yes.

26:37They have already

26:38put a costed plan

26:39to the government

26:39earlier this year

26:40which they say

26:41is doable

26:41and affordable.

26:42In fact,

26:43$52 million

26:44is what they say

26:44it'll cost

26:45which is actually

26:45cheaper than

26:46the current

26:47spend on bowel cancer.

26:48Now, the Ministry

26:49of Health's response

26:49to that was

26:50reducing screening

26:51to 58 was the

26:52first step

26:53towards matching

26:53Australia

26:54but capacity

26:55constraints

26:55and funding

26:56commitments

26:57will determine

26:58the pace

26:58of further

26:59reductions.

27:00Translation,

27:00Paddy,

27:01no timeline

27:01whatsoever.

27:02Yes,

27:02and I wanted

27:03to interview

27:03the Prime

27:04Minister

27:04tonight

27:04but he

27:05declined

27:05to come

27:06on

27:06so we

27:06sent

27:07Lloyd Burr

27:07who you

27:08saw there

27:08earlier

27:09interviewing

27:09Amy Rose

27:10at the debate

27:11to ask the

27:12questions for us.

27:12Take a look.

27:13Prime Minister,

27:14just a question

27:15for Paddy Gale's

27:16got issues.

27:18Prime Minister,

27:18why don't you

27:19want to talk to

27:19Paddy Gale's got

27:21issues about

27:21your promise

27:22in 2023

27:23to lower

27:24the bowel

27:24screening age

27:25from 60 to 50?

27:25I'm very happy

27:26to talk to

27:26them.

27:26Let's do it

27:27here.

27:28Why haven't

27:29you kept

27:30your promise

27:31that you

27:31made at

27:31the 2023

27:32election?

27:32Well,

27:32as I've

27:32said,

27:33we had it

27:33at 60,

27:34we've dropped

27:34it to 58.

27:36I appreciate

27:36that's a small

27:37improvement

27:37but we want

27:38to keep

27:38moving towards

27:39where the

27:39Australians are.

27:40For us to

27:41do that,

27:41we've got to

27:42expand access

27:43to colonoscopies

27:44and also make

27:44sure that we

27:45get more staff

27:46into space

27:47so we can

27:47actually get

27:48people having

27:48access to

27:49colonoscopies.

27:49That's the

27:50key pacing item.

27:51We're also

27:52looking at other

27:52things which we'll

27:53announce shortly

27:54around what

27:54more can we

27:55do around

27:55screening so

27:56that we can

27:57actually get

27:57people identifying

27:58quicker the

28:00support they

28:00may need that

28:01may be augmenting

28:02and helping us

28:03get through the

28:03colonoscopy

28:04challenge that

28:04we see there.

28:05Amy Rose Yates

28:05was the person

28:06in the audience

28:06that you made

28:07that promise to

28:08when she's

28:08since passed

28:09away and her

28:10partner wants

28:10you to deliver

28:11that promise.

28:12Have you got a

28:12date on when

28:13you will deliver

28:14that promise?

28:14No, we don't

28:14have a date but

28:15we have a

28:15commitment to

28:16lower our

28:16bowel screening

28:17rates.

28:17We've made

28:17a start, as

28:18I said, moving

28:19from 60 to 58.

28:20The real challenge

28:21is about resourcing

28:23access to

28:23colonoscopies.

28:25Is there other

28:25technology around

28:26screening and

28:27other tools that

28:27we can use?

28:28We're exploring

28:29all of those

28:29avenues.

28:30It's a big goal,

28:32I get it, it's a

28:33big challenge but

28:34I think it's the

28:35right one for us

28:35to be committed

28:36to but it's a

28:37bit of our

28:38resourcing and

28:38access that we've

28:39got to get

28:39sorted.

28:44Now, in a

28:44development just

28:45to hand, as we

28:46say in this

28:47business, the

28:47Prime Minister's

28:48office has sent

28:49us a statement

28:50after talking to

28:51Lloyd there and

28:52they say that

28:53they want to

28:53acknowledge Amy

28:55Rose Yates and

28:56her family and

28:57they say that

28:58they are working

28:59hard to fulfil

29:01their commitment

29:01to her.

29:02They have also

29:03revealed a

29:04development they

29:05are going to

29:05have, and I

29:06quote, more to

29:08say about it

29:08soon, end

29:09quote, about

29:10what they

29:11describe as a

29:12rollout of

29:13home poop

29:14tests to

29:15reduce pressure

29:16on colonoscopies.

29:17Now, that is

29:18what I call a

29:19positive development

29:19towards a

29:20solution and it

29:21sounds to me as

29:22if the Prime

29:22Minister still

29:23wants to do

29:24this.

29:24But before we

29:25go, let's leave

29:26the last word on

29:26this to someone

29:27who is also a

29:28leader who

29:28understands bowel

29:29cancer as well

29:30as anyone in

29:31this country,

29:32Dai Henwood.

29:33Kia ora, Dai

29:34Henwood here.

29:35I am living with

29:36stage four bowel

29:36cancer and if the

29:38screening age was

29:38lower, that might

29:39be a hell of a lot

29:40different.

29:41In Australia, it's

29:4245.

29:44Don't let the

29:44Aussies beat us.

29:45Bring it down,

29:46politicians.

29:47Thank you, sir,

29:51Dai and yes, I

29:53am knighting

29:53Dai there.

29:54Now, tonight, my

29:55issue was with the

29:56Prime Minister

29:56Christopher Luxon

29:57and his failure so

29:58far, so far to keep

30:00his promise on

30:01lowering the bowel

30:01cancer screening

30:02age to match

30:03Australia.

30:03And for me, it

30:04goes like this.

30:05I'm not angry at

30:05the Prime Minister,

30:06I'm just disappointed

30:08that he hasn't got

30:09there yet.

30:10But we have had a

30:11positive step towards

30:13it tonight and the

30:14Prime Minister clearly

30:15still wants to honour

30:16this promise.

30:17Now, I know there's

30:17a lot of complexity

30:18and excuses as to

30:19why this cannot be

30:20done, but that

30:20should not stop us.

30:22We should be able to

30:23look after our people

30:24as well as they do

30:26in Australia.

30:27So, thank you,

30:28Prime Minister, for

30:29saying you're going

30:30to stick to your

30:30commitment and to

30:31Amy Rose.

30:33We will be watching

30:33for you.

30:42Think about

30:43others.

30:44do things for

30:45others and just

30:48care about each

30:49other.

30:51I love you guys.

30:52Thank you so much.

31:00Alright, coming up,

31:02Karen's investigation

31:03of the hoo-ha between

31:04the owners and the

31:05vendors at night

31:07markets all starts in

31:08the kitchen for some

31:09reason.

31:10Welcome back to

31:21Paddy Gower Has Issues

31:22where we are turning

31:23from bowel cancer to

31:24Karen O'Leary's issue

31:26tonight.

31:26Karen, what the hell

31:28have you been up to?

31:28Well, I'm going to

31:29start off with a question

31:30for you, Julia.

31:30You look like someone

31:31who enjoys going to a

31:32bit of a market.

31:33Would that be right?

31:34There's a great market

31:35in Christchurch,

31:35Rickerton House,

31:36Dean's Bush.

31:36Who's Bush?

31:38Sorry, look, no, I

31:39digress.

31:40Now, look, you guys

31:41should have laughed

31:41about that.

31:42Now, look, in Auckland

31:43there is basically one

31:44name in night markets.

31:45It's catchily called

31:46Auckland Night Markets.

31:48And there have been

31:49sort of some rumours

31:50and some murmurings

31:51going on for quite a

31:52while now about the

31:53way that these markets

31:54operate.

31:55I've actually had a

31:55couple of storeholders

31:56come to me asking

31:57for help.

31:58So, as is my want,

31:59I decided to investigate.

32:11Hi, can I just get a

32:13chicken cutlet stick,

32:14please?

32:15What would be your

32:15favourite thing to have

32:17at the markets,

32:17you reckon?

32:17The tiny takeaways,

32:18the one with like four

32:19meat, one fried rice

32:22or noodles.

32:22Oh, I have to say

32:23the yangro bao,

32:24which is the lamb bun.

32:26Yeah.

32:26The island food, yeah.

32:28And then the dessert

32:28as well, like the

32:30ice cream rolls, the

32:31crepes, yeah.

32:32What's your favourite,

32:32mate?

32:32Oh, I have to go with

32:33the lady, yeah.

32:34She's your favourite.

32:35Yeah, exactly.

32:36I like lots of the

32:37crowd, lots of people,

32:39different kind of people,

32:40so I can enjoy making

32:41the food, sort of the

32:42food.

32:43Yeah.

32:44And you love it?

32:45I love it, I love it.

32:48How good is this?

32:49Small business thriving,

32:51the vibes are pumping,

32:52bellies are full,

32:53but all is not well

32:54at the market.

32:55And this little piggy

32:56is going to get to

32:57the bottom of it.

33:01A Lotto Cartel is a

33:03Mexican-American food

33:04store run by

33:05Sabrina and Ye,

33:05who signed up to

33:06Auckland Night Market

33:07excited to kickstart

33:08their dreams.

33:09But they've come to me

33:10with an issue and

33:11some of their

33:12delicious fare.

33:14Our issue is

33:15regarding the

33:16Auckland Night Market

33:17and how they treat

33:19small vendors like us.

33:21So what happened

33:23specifically to you guys

33:24that made you think,

33:25hey, whoa, whoa, whoa,

33:26whoa, this isn't that great.

33:27So we did two markets,

33:29the first one being a silo.

33:30My partner here, Ye,

33:32she spoke with

33:32called her phone

33:33and he did say that

33:34it would be $300

33:34for the stall.

33:36Okay, so we agree to that.

33:38$300, yep.

33:38Right.

33:38And I already thought

33:40it was a little fishy

33:40because there was no

33:41kind of paperwork

33:43trail, contract.

33:44No contract.

33:44Just a phone call.

33:45Just a phone call.

33:46And I'm from the States

33:47so I'm like,

33:48there's got to be

33:49some kind of paper trail.

33:49You guys love contracts

33:50today.

33:51Always, yeah, yeah.

33:52Then on market day,

33:54they dealt with Victoria,

33:55the market's operator.

33:56She was actually pretty nice

33:57when we first met her.

33:59When it came time to pay,

34:01she brought her F-pods out

34:02and she goes and tells

34:03my partner

34:04that'll be $500.

34:07What?

34:07And we didn't even make.

34:09$500?

34:09We didn't even make

34:11$500.

34:12So my wife was able

34:13to get her down

34:14to what, $400?

34:15So still $100 more

34:17than what you were quoted.

34:18Exactly.

34:18Which is quite a lot of money.

34:19After paying,

34:20Victoria offered them

34:21a spot at another market,

34:22once again agreeing

34:23to a discounted fee

34:24of $300.

34:26Now it's the

34:27pop-up toy market

34:28and it's a Friday

34:29of the following week.

34:30But here she comes again,

34:31Victoria.

34:31With her F-pods.

34:33Oh, don't tell me.

34:34She better have just

34:34asked for $300.

34:36No.

34:36So it changed.

34:37$400.

34:38I said, hey,

34:39you did say

34:40you gave us a good deal

34:41and you promised $300.

34:43And she's like,

34:43well, I gave you

34:44a good spot.

34:46Then she says,

34:46oh, okay,

34:47just to make you happy,

34:48just like that,

34:50then $330.

34:52And she's like,

34:53I don't think

34:54you appreciate

34:55the spot I gave you.

34:57Excuse me?

34:58I said,

34:59it's not that

34:59I don't appreciate

35:00the spot.

35:01I don't appreciate

35:02how you changed

35:03the prices on us

35:04when you made a promise.

35:05you said $300.

35:07And she's like,

35:09vendors like you

35:10get kicked out

35:11because you don't

35:13want to pay.

35:14And you haven't been

35:14back to her markets?

35:15Never.

35:16We will never go back.

35:17We will never go back.

35:18Auckland night markets

35:19are the big name

35:20in markets,

35:20but they aren't

35:21the only ones.

35:22Lunar Bytes

35:24is a brand new

35:25night market

35:25hoping to create

35:26some competition

35:26in the Auckland scene.

35:29So what is the process

35:30when somebody signs up

35:31to Lunar Bytes?

35:33So they apply

35:34through our website.

35:35The application

35:35gets processed,

35:37dates and info packs

35:39and prices

35:40are all sent in

35:40through email.

35:41Right, yes.

35:42So do they pay

35:43in advance

35:44or do they pay

35:44after the market?

35:45Yeah, so they pay

35:45in advance.

35:46We will do it this way

35:47because it gives us

35:48security as well

35:49so we know

35:50who's actually showing up.

35:51Sounds like you've got

35:52some pretty robust processes.

35:53You know, it's all in writing,

35:54that kind of thing.

35:56Have you ever had

35:57any trouble

35:57with your vendors,

35:58your storeholders?

35:59Any conflict?

36:00We haven't had any conflict.

36:01The main thing I think

36:02would just be

36:03always getting inquiries

36:04about pricing.

36:05I think especially

36:07since the Auckland

36:08night market situation.

36:09I think that's

36:10a good word situation.

36:11We'll call it that.

36:12So, it seems

36:14the lack of sun

36:14isn't the only thing

36:15dark about these markets.

36:17But two questions remain.

36:19Can I help?

36:20Can I get some more

36:21food?

36:23OK, so this situation,

36:26also known as

36:28night markets at war,

36:29who knew there was

36:30so much going on

36:31behind the scenes

36:32at these night markets?

36:33These are pretty

36:34serious allegations,

36:35O'Leary.

36:36We're talking about

36:36dodgy verbal contracts,

36:37new competitors

36:38stepping in.

36:39Yeah, as a journalist

36:40it seems like a story

36:41I'd want to investigate.

36:42Well, that's why

36:42I investigated it.

36:43So, what are you

36:46going to do

36:46to help out?

36:47Well, you know,

36:48as I always realise,

36:49in order to solve

36:50the problem

36:50I'm going to

36:51become the problem.

36:52No, I'm not

36:53going to become

36:53the problem.

36:54What I'm going to do

36:54is I'm going to

36:55gather some more

36:55information.

36:56I think that's

36:56exactly what I

36:57need to do.

36:57Roll tape.

36:58In order to think

37:03like a stallholder,

37:03I need to become

37:04a stallholder.

37:06Let's roll.

37:08Karen's Rolls,

37:10Karen's Rolls,

37:11you know you

37:11want to come to

37:12Karen Rolls,

37:14Karen's Rolls,

37:15come on down

37:16to Karen's Rolls

37:17today.

37:20Karen's Rolls,

37:22Karen's Rolls,

37:23get yourself

37:24an asparagus roll

37:25or a spring roll

37:27or a

37:28jam roll

37:28or a cinnamon

37:29cinnamon roll.

37:32Maybe you've

37:33got a dog at home,

37:35we've got a dog roll.

37:37You both moan.

37:41Roll, roll, roll,

37:42roll, roll, roll.

37:44Karen's Rolls,

37:46roll up!

37:47Yeah, we've got a deal

37:48for you,

37:48we've got a roll

37:49for you.

37:49All the rolls

37:50for every occasion.

37:51I've got toilet rolls

37:53and I've got John

37:53Rolls,

37:54for goodness sake.

37:55Hello,

37:55do you want to

37:55roll?

37:56Rolls, roll, roll, roll.

37:58Turns out there are

37:58heaps of rules

37:59surrounding a market.

38:01So I went to talk

38:02to a lawyer

38:02who really knows

38:03her business.

38:04Thank you so much

38:05for coming in

38:05to talk to me

38:06here in Paddy's.

38:07This is a special room

38:08that he comes through

38:09just to relax.

38:10I don't find it

38:10that relaxing

38:11but I'm glad

38:12that you've come here

38:12to talk to me tonight.

38:13So if you're

38:14running the night markets,

38:15I mean,

38:16what are your

38:16responsibilities

38:17to the vendors?

38:18What do you

38:19have to be doing?

38:19You need to

38:21comply with

38:22overarching regulations

38:23like health

38:24and safety,

38:25that sort of thing

38:26and then you

38:27need to deliver

38:28what you've

38:29promised to deliver

38:30in return for

38:31the fee that

38:32the storeholder's

38:32paying and make

38:33sure that all

38:34the key terms

38:35are in writing

38:36like what you're

38:36going to pay,

38:37what you're

38:38going to get

38:38and then things

38:40like cancellations

38:41and refunds

38:42are also really

38:42important.

38:43So what I'm hearing

38:44is that it does

38:45need to be in writing

38:46so you would

38:47say like if you

38:47just had a phone

38:48call explaining

38:49all that,

38:50that probably

38:50wouldn't be enough?

38:51You can have

38:51a verbal agreement

38:52that's binding

38:53but the problem

38:54Who can prove that?

38:55Exactly,

38:56proof is the problem

38:57right?

38:57So that's why

38:58it's always best

38:59to have all

39:00arrangements in writing.

39:01Speaking of that,

39:03say you had a

39:04store at the market,

39:05you thought the

39:06price was going

39:06to be something

39:07and then the

39:08people came and

39:08said it was going

39:09to be something

39:09different.

39:10How do you fix

39:11that for them?

39:12I guess it

39:13depends on what's

39:14happening on the

39:15spot but I would

39:16say stand your

39:16ground because

39:17you've got a

39:18binding agreement

39:18with the operator

39:19to pay a certain

39:20amount.

39:21If you originally

39:22did it by phone

39:23which is not

39:24best but yeah

39:25absolutely I would

39:26say stand your

39:26ground and if

39:28you're already

39:28there on the

39:29spot setting up

39:30what are they

39:30going to do?

39:31Like strong arm

39:32you out of there?

39:33I don't know,

39:34are they?

39:34Yeah,

39:35well it just

39:38seems absurd.

39:39It seems absurd.

39:41What about just

39:42say like they

39:42said they didn't

39:43really like the

39:44idea of having

39:44like a written

39:45contract because

39:46they thought it

39:47provided more

39:47flexibility without

39:48one?

39:49That sounds like

39:50a bit of an

39:51excuse to me.

39:52It sounds like

39:53maybe an operator

39:54is trying to

39:55give themselves

39:57more flexibility

39:57to unilaterally

39:59change things if

40:00that's what

40:01they're doing.

40:02Well look,

40:03I couldn't

40:03comment.

40:04Well you just

40:05have commented

40:05quite well I'd say.

40:07But in broad

40:09terms you're just

40:10speaking hyper

40:10better.

40:12Nap time.

40:13I need this

40:13for my nap.

40:16Yeah, so

40:17thanks a lot

40:18anyway.

40:18We better head

40:19off.

40:22Yeah, thanks for

40:23interrupting my

40:23nap but how

40:24did your market

40:25stall go?

40:26Yeah, I was

40:26hoping to see a

40:27forward roll.

40:28I did think about

40:28how I could

40:29monetise forward

40:29rolls but I just

40:30couldn't work it

40:30out.

40:31I do have

40:31some actually

40:32a couple of

40:32leftover rolls

40:33that I'm going

40:33to give out to

40:34the audience

40:34after this.

40:35It's been in the

40:35back of my car

40:36for a while.

40:37Yeah, so what's

40:38the next steps

40:38then?

40:39Well obviously

40:39like I said

40:40before this has

40:41been going on

40:41for quite some

40:42time and the

40:42Auckland night

40:43markets have

40:43never talked

40:44about it or

40:45talked to

40:45anyone about

40:46their side

40:46of the story

40:47so after some

40:48amazing negotiating

40:49of mine I

40:50managed to

40:51convince Victoria

40:52to sit down

40:52with me and

40:53tell me her

40:53side of the

40:54story and

40:54that's going

40:55to be coming

40:55up after the

40:56break.

40:56Well yes,

40:57coming up Karen

40:58hardly mucks

40:59around at all

40:59before taking

41:00the night market

41:01allegations to

41:01the owner

41:02herself.

41:06Welcome back

41:14and to recap

41:15a storeholder

41:16has said

41:16Auckland night

41:17markets did

41:17verbal agreements

41:18over the phone

41:19and then upped

41:19the rent on the

41:20night, not once

41:21but twice and

41:22you've managed to

41:22get Victoria who

41:23is the one

41:23allegedly doing

41:24this to sit

41:25down with you

41:25for the first

41:25time ever.

41:26Is that right?

41:27I mean, oh my

41:28gosh, that's an

41:28amazing summary.

41:29You should be a

41:29journalist.

41:30Oh, I actually

41:30am.

41:32Let's see how

41:33you did.

41:33I've heard a lot

41:35of words said

41:36about Victoria

41:37in her markets.

41:38She's like, I

41:38don't think you

41:39appreciate the

41:39spot I gave you.

41:40Sounds like a

41:42bit of an excuse

41:42to me.

41:43Especially since

41:44the Auckland

41:45night market

41:46situation, yeah.

41:46Nap time, I

41:47need this for my

41:48nap.

41:49But I need to

41:50talk to her

41:50face to face.

41:52Rulemaker

41:53to rollbacker

41:55to sort this

41:57whole thing out.

41:58Hi, Victoria.

41:59Hi, Karen.

42:00Hello.

42:00Hi.

42:01No more

42:01store.

42:03So, Victoria,

42:04a storeholder

42:05has come to

42:06us with a

42:07complaint about

42:08something that

42:08happened.

42:09Could you just

42:09tell me, you

42:10know, what do

42:10you think

42:10happened?

42:11So, first

42:12of all, thanks

42:13for the

42:13opportunity for

42:14us to clear

42:15this.

42:16So, those

42:17storeholders, I

42:18don't think they

42:19are really our

42:20vendors, but they

42:20only came once.

42:22And what they

42:24said, they

42:25claimed, it's

42:26not really, it's

42:27not true.

42:28We have got

42:29about over 2,000

42:30storeholders.

42:31That's a lot.

42:32That's a lot.

42:33with us, and

42:34they're all

42:34happy.

42:35I think if they're

42:36not happy, there

42:37is no market.

42:39Let's get on to

42:39the tricky bit,

42:40because obviously

42:40there was something

42:42around how much

42:44you charge for a

42:45site at the

42:46night market.

42:47You said one

42:47thing, you tried

42:48to charge another.

42:49What would you

42:50say to that?

42:50All right.

42:51The thing is, the

42:51fee is already

42:53fixed before

42:54anybody come.

42:55Even our

42:56long-term

42:56storeholders, they

42:58know how much

42:59they pay.

43:00that's why they

43:00come.

43:01So that claim is

43:02totally false.

43:03No happens.

43:05And, you know,

43:06why pass them

43:07off just for

43:08a couple of

43:09extra dollars?

43:10We don't need

43:10that.

43:11All these people

43:12being online, no

43:13one comes to me

43:15straight, say,

43:16that's my problem.

43:17Can you fix it?

43:18If they do come,

43:20any of them, and

43:21here, use this

43:22chance, I can say,

43:24if you do have

43:25problems, you do

43:26have unfairly

43:27treated, please

43:28straight come to

43:29me.

43:30I'm not saying we're

43:30the best, but we

43:31are different.

43:32You can say you're

43:33the best if you

43:33want to.

43:34If you think you're

43:34the best.

43:35You're the best.

43:35You can say you're

43:36the best.

43:36Yeah, we're the

43:36best.

43:37Say you're the

43:37best.

43:37You don't want to

43:38be the worst.

43:38You want to be

43:39the best.

43:39Let's just say

43:39we're the best.

43:41So, why don't

43:41they do written

43:42agreements?

43:43This is very

43:44flexible for the

43:47vendors, but it's

43:48very, not hard

43:50working for us.

43:51But we want to

43:51take this way.

43:52We do more work.

43:54And once we sign

43:55agreement, it seems

43:56like you have to

43:57stuck with us if

43:57you don't make

43:58money.

43:58That's not really

43:59fair for the

44:00vendors.

44:02But will Victoria

44:03be open to change?

44:04Is there anything

44:05that you think you

44:06would want to do

44:06better or are you

44:07really happy with

44:08how it's going?

44:08I'm happy with

44:09the way we're

44:09going, but we do

44:11need to improve a

44:13lot.

44:14We want to give

44:15them more clear

44:17instruction and in

44:19writing.

44:20So that way there

44:21is no sort of

44:22fun area.

44:23Yeah, gray area.

44:25Victoria promises

44:26me things will be

44:27written and

44:27different.

44:28We will make

44:29very sure for the

44:30new ones coming,

44:32they will get a

44:32full support and

44:34fully aware where

44:35they go and fully

44:37aware how much.

44:39At the end of the

44:40day, no one can

44:42make everyone

44:43happy.

44:44So we try our

44:45best to make

44:46and most of them

44:48are happy, but I

44:49want to just carry

44:50on and do better.

44:52That's my goal.

44:54And we can all do

44:54better.

44:56In life and in

44:56business, it's

44:57important to

44:58communicate and get

44:59everything in

44:59writing.

45:00But at the end of

45:01the day, get out to

45:02the market, support

45:02the vendors, it's a

45:03really good night

45:04out.

45:07You've done it

45:08again, you've got a

45:09commitment, they're

45:09going to change, you're

45:10going to get things in

45:11writing.

45:11Amazing work, O'Leary.

45:13Yeah, I mean it

45:13does, it sounds

45:14really good and

45:14hopefully it's true.

45:16But like Tamara, the

45:17lawyer said, obviously

45:18if you're going to

45:18become a stall

45:19holder at the

45:19markets, make sure

45:20you do get

45:21everything in

45:21writing and do

45:22sand your ground

45:23if anything kind

45:23of changes or

45:24goes awry.

45:25Well, as a real

45:25journalist, in six

45:26months I'll be

45:27checking out that

45:27they are getting

45:28that out.

45:28Yeah, totally, we've

45:29got to do that a

45:30lot.

45:31Yeah, alright, thank

45:32you to these amazing

45:33investigators and thank

45:34you to everyone who

45:36shared their issue

45:37with us tonight.

45:38Juliet and Karen were

45:38absolutely amazing

45:40and thank you to our

45:40studio audience, they

45:41were incredible.

45:42Thank you for

45:43watching.

45:44I am Paddy Gower

45:45and I still have

45:47issues because we

45:48still have issues.

45:50See you next

45:51Tuesday.

45:52Ciao.

45:56I've got no issues

45:58with New Zealand

45:58on air.

46:00New Zealand on air.

46:013rd AIDS music, and we

46:16have a good call.

46:19I'll see you next

46:19time.

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