In a newly released set of interviews with the Department of Justice, Jeffrey Epstein accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell was asked about the "masseuses" that Jeffrey Epstein employed.
00:00Over the years, when you were serving as the general manager, so the mid-90s all the way into the 2000s,
00:08did you or do you know whether anyone maintained a list of all the masseuses, like a running list?
00:14So there's two things, well three ways.
00:17So I know that the house itself, John Alessi, had a Rolodex that he kept the names and numbers of all the...
00:30people that came to the house so that he could call.
00:33So because I only was with Epstein even at best half the time.
00:39So when I was there, he had like his chief of staff who could find whatever he needed.
00:45When I wasn't there, he had to rely on somebody else, right?
00:48So be that John Alessi or whoever else.
00:51So everybody, whoever was traveling with him or however wherever he was, he needed somebody else to access information.
00:57So he had an assistant chief who was his secretary, who would be the one that would update his computer.
01:08You know, like everybody has an address book.
01:09But was what you're describing, which, I'm not, it makes sense.
01:16I'm just, was that a list of masseuses or a list of people that might need to be contacted,
01:24which would necessarily include a lot of masseuses?
01:26That's the latter.
01:27And did you, did you update that?
01:36Like, were you part of, were you one of the people that would, would add names to it?
01:39Like if, if a masseuse came and leaves and Mr. Epstein says, yes, she was good, would you be part of,
01:46like how was the list kind of maintained or who maintained it?
01:48Well, typically no, because there would be an assistant who would do that.
01:55Plus, Epstein would not allow me to answer the telephone, ever.
01:59So, he'll maintain or keep any of his messages, either in the office or at the house.
02:06So, typically, that wouldn't be, because I wouldn't be the one.
02:10Could I say to you I never did it?
02:12No, of course not, because that just seems ludicrous.
02:15But, as a rule of thumb, the answer would be no.
02:22During the 2007-8-9 investigation, the investigation out of the Southern District of Florida,
02:30so you said that you weren't contacted by law enforcement.
02:33I was not.
02:34After Mr. Epstein was charged, did you have conversations with him about the investigation?
02:40He never talked to me about it.
02:44Did you, um...
02:46I mean, I can't, let's put it this way, if he did, I have no recollection of it.
02:50I mean, I'm sure he must have said, this is all, whatever he said, or it's nothing, or whatever.
02:55I mean, I just don't have any...
02:58I just don't have any memory.
03:02I mean, I just, I was, I was with Ted.
03:04My, I was, like, gone.
03:05I mean, plus, I just didn't want to know, either, I suppose.
03:10So you don't know firsthand why the U.S. attorney in Florida made the deal that he did?
03:18I mean, you weren't part of that discussion along the way.
03:21Like, Mr. Epstein didn't say, I'm getting a good deal, or, you know, I, something's happening with the case that's very good.
03:29But you were, you, you, to the extent you know anything about it, it's just from what you've heard or read from others, not from Mr. Epstein, is that right?
03:36He never talked about the non-prosecution directly with me, no.
03:39But, um, he did...
03:42But it's still enforceable, as to her.
03:46I mean, he never said, hey, are you happy with this deal, like that.
03:50But I understood, I mean, he never, he never enjoined me to the MPA, but I understand that he included me specifically, and I'll tell you why.
04:05Well, it's okay.
04:06You don't need to get into that.
04:07I don't want to talk about the legal, the, what's on appeal.
04:11I'm just...
04:12No, I wouldn't...
04:12Well, the reason for my question, just to be, I'm not trying to hide something, but there's, there's a very strong belief that he got a very good deal, and that, and that he should, he should have been sentenced to more time, or got a different sentence from the feds in a non-prosecution agreement, and I'm not asking you to opine on that, but I'm wondering whether, um, he ever talked to you about that, but it sounds like he didn't.
04:40That he got a good deal?
04:43No.
04:43I think, actually, well, his comments that I've read was that he didn't get a good deal, and I think that, you know, when he fought it so hard, it's because he didn't think he did.
04:52When, when he was serving his sentence, were you ever, were you around during that time, like when he was allowed to leave during the day, or travel during the day?
05:02I never called him.
05:03I never saw him, and I never went to the jail.
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