In a newly released set of interviews with the Department of Justice, Jeffrey Epstein accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell described her and Epstein's relationship with Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr..
00:00Oh, um, but, um, Bobby Kennedy knew him. Bobby the health.
00:10Sorry, say that again about Bobby Kennedy?
00:11Bobby knew Mr. Esty.
00:13How do you know that?
00:14Because we went on a trip together. We went to, um, dinosaur bone hunting in the Dakotas.
00:26When was that, you know, approximately, I'm not looking for an exact date, but when was that?
00:33That was early. That was in the early, no.
00:36Well, let me back up. I knew, um, Bobby's wife, Mary, pretty well, actually, and before he met her.
00:46And just to help us, I know we're talking about a wide span of time, but what are you, when are you talking about that you knew, um,
00:54Mr. Kennedy's wife before they were married, so when are we talking about that?
01:00Um, I, uh, um, in 19, all right, I guess, let's get my head straight, in, um...
01:11Well, would this have been before you met Mr. Epstein?
01:14Yes.
01:14Or after?
01:15Okay, so...
01:15I met him before I met him.
01:17So we're talking about the 1980s?
01:19Oh, yes, yes, thank you.
01:20Okay.
01:20The 1980s.
01:21Okay, so we're talking about the 1980s, and then...
01:24And then, I was, the, the, the, I had a very, very long-standing boyfriend, and he had, his brother was, uh, dating Mary at the time, and we were all very good friends.
01:39And then, Mr. Epstein, did Mr. Epstein meet Bobby Kennedy through you?
01:47I don't, I, I don't think so, because, um, Mr. Epstein, surprisingly, everyone says everything happens for me, that, that's just not true.
01:59I mean, I think, yesterday, I explained that he had friends from London, and those were very, they were what the people would call fancy.
02:08They were fancy people.
02:09Um, and, but he had the same types of relationships before I met him in, um, in America.
02:18So when I met him, he was, uh, already, you know, Wexner, and he had Henry, and he had, he was, I don't know if then he was at the, in the Council of Foreign Relations, but he was friends with Ace, and, you know, like, he, he was, he was well-established.
02:36Yeah.
02:36He didn't need me, and he was, you know, his, Eva was, um, you know, major model, so he had all these modeling connections and friends in that business that, long before I met him.
02:50And so the trip that you went on with Mr. Epstein and Bobby Kennedy, was that in the 90s and 2000s?
03:01I think it was in the, it would have been in the, um, I want to say 93, 94.
03:09Okay.
03:09So, a very long time ago.
03:11A very, very long time ago.
03:14A few years into the, your relationship, a few years into the time that you knew Mr. Epstein.
03:21Yes.
03:22Um.
03:22I mean, I, I don't want to hold myself to the dates, because I really.
03:25No, no, I'm not holding you to dates.
03:26I think, I've said that a lot, because I appreciate we're talking about the 80s and 90s, and even, even the 2000s.
03:32I just want you to know that I haven't had any, I don't have anything to review, so I haven't had any ability to, short of my legal material, obviously, which I, you can, you know, I have, because I came with a box work, but short of that, I have nothing with which to refresh, or very limited stuff, I should say.
03:49I don't want to say nothing, to refresh my mind.
03:51I understand that. Do you have any recollection of Mr. Kennedy, of there being anything inappropriate with Mr. Kennedy and, um, masseuses or young women on the trip you just talked about?
04:06I never saw anything inappropriate with Mr. Kennedy.
04:10And do you know whether he ever got a massage from one of the masseuses? Do you know either way?
04:15I do not.
04:16But not something you remember?
04:18I, I mean, absolutely not.
04:19I mean, he, well, I mean, yesterday, if I didn't make it clear, I will reiterate it, I never, ever saw any man doing something inappropriate with a woman of any age.
04:35I never saw inappropriate, I bet, now, I'm not, I'm not going to say, you know, hands or, I mean, that to me is not inappropriate, now, somebody's inappropriate, and mine may be different.
04:48But we're not talking about anything that resembles the accusations that were discussed here.
04:56So that would be a flat note to any man.
05:01Did your or Mr. Epteen's relationship with Mr., with Bobby Kennedy continue into the 2000s, as far as you know?
05:08I would say yes.
05:09Well, mine, yes.
05:14Yours, with you?
05:15With me, for sure.
05:16And do you know whether Mr. Epstein and Mr. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, continue to have relationships into the 2000s?
05:25I have no personal knowledge of that.
05:26I mean, I would, I, because, here's another, another thing is that everyone puts us together like a monolith.
05:33He literally had a separate life from me.
05:36I literally had a separate life from him.
05:39Now, did they say, well, of course they did, I'm not, I'm not crazy, but he kept a lot to himself, and he didn't like to share.
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