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On "Forbes True Crime," Barry Levine, author of "The Spider: Inside the Criminal Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell," spoke about the still-unanswered questions about Epstein, his island, the current controversy around releasing the Epstein files, and more.
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00:00Public pressure continues to mount for the Trump administration to release more documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein,
00:05the disgraced financier who was found dead in his jail cell in August of 2019,
00:10one month after he was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges.
00:14Attorney General Pambani released what was described as the first phase of declassified files relating to Epstein back in February.
00:21That was largely met with disappointment, as no major bombshells,
00:25including a list of associates involved in the sex trafficking operation, were revealed.
00:30A July memo from the Department of Justice said there was no client list,
00:33Epstein died by suicide, and that no more documents related to the case would be released.
00:39Barry Levine, author of The Spider, Inside the Criminal Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,
00:44has been digging into the deceased ultra-wealthy sex offender since the mid-2000s.
00:49Levine joins Forbes True Crime to discuss the questions he still has regarding the Epstein case.
00:59Hi, everybody. I'm Brittany Lewis, a host of Forbes TV. Joining me now is Barry Levine.
01:04He has been covering Jeffrey Epstein for years now.
01:07He also wrote a book on his criminal exploits called The Spider,
01:10Inside the Criminal Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
01:14Barry, thank you so much for joining me.
01:16Thank you, Brittany, for having me again.
01:18Like I said, you have been reporting on Jeffrey Epstein now, the disgraced sex offender, for decades.
01:26And I'm curious, to start off the conversation, what are your thoughts about this renewed interest?
01:31Because it has been six years since Jeffrey Epstein was arrested, around six years since his death,
01:38and there are still more questions that remain, still more answers that people are looking for.
01:43What do you make of the fact that this is an issue that's not going away?
01:46This is a story that's not only not going away, but gaining even more traction?
01:52Yes, Brittany, I have to tell you, I'm just amazed at the level of interest in this particular case now.
02:00I think it is even greater, certainly, than it was at the time of his arrest.
02:06And then, of course, the subsequent death behind bars in New York.
02:12There was, of course, interest at the time.
02:14But the level of interest now is as red hot as, I mean, it's almost unbelievable.
02:24And a lot, of course, has to do with the dynamic now of President Trump
02:28and questions about the extent of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
02:34But more so than that, we're finally at a point now where there's so much interest,
02:42not only among the American public and Donald Trump's MAGA base,
02:47who, of course, have believed in conspiracy theories related to the story for years and years.
02:54But we are finally getting to the point, I hope, of actually getting full transparency on the Epstein files,
03:01the files that the FBI has.
03:04We're talking about 300 gigabytes.
03:06We're talking about material that could easily fill, you know, a couple hundred thousand pages of documents.
03:16Plus, of course, there's additional physical evidence and videotapes that the government is sitting on.
03:22And the level of interest is, you know, I thought about this the other day.
03:30Had they just released the documents as they had promised, as his Attorney General Pam Bondi had promised months ago,
03:39after she invited those conservative influencers to the White House and gave them the white binders that said phase one of the Epstein documents,
03:49along with the fact that they were going to release a phase two down the road, which is where we're at now.
03:56The fact that over Fourth of July weekend that they came out with the two page memo and basically said.
04:04Epstein committed suicide.
04:05There's no blackmail, there's no blackmail, there's no client list, and it doesn't warrant the release of any material.
04:12That has just sent people through the roof in terms of how upset they are, particularly among his base, among the public.
04:22And, you know, and of course, I'm in touch with with some of his victims.
04:29This whole thing is traumatizing.
04:31They want to get to the bottom of all this.
04:33And so they want to see, along with me and the American public, they want to see the full disclosure of all the documents.
04:42And I think that that July 7th memo from the DOJ was so surprising because Pam Bondi, the attorney general herself, said earlier in the year,
04:52I have that client list sitting right on my desk.
04:55Now they're saying there's no client list.
04:57Essentially, there's nothing left to see here.
04:59But there's a lot left to see, according to most of the American public.
05:03And we want to see it.
05:05That's what people are saying from both parties, Americans from all corners of this country.
05:11And in your book in 2020, this is what you wrote.
05:14These are the questions that you still had five years ago.
05:17How the sex trafficking enterprise operated, who was involved and what evidence his alleged surveillance apparatus captured.
05:23Because you write that victims testified and said that he was taping everything in his properties.
05:30So are we any closer to getting any of these questions answered?
05:34I mean, what are the big questions you still have?
05:37Well, I just wrote this past week an essay in the New York Times opinion section on it.
05:44I expanded it to nine questions about what may be in the Epstein files.
05:49And we can start off with the video.
05:53I think that while the government has acknowledged that there's 10,000 tapes of child abuse, that doesn't answer the question of what happened to the secret surveillance video systems that Jeffrey Epstein had in all of his homes.
06:14You know, what's interesting, and it's ironic, that before he was investigated by Palm Beach police at his mansion there, beginning in 2005, Jeffrey Epstein had asked the Palm Beach police to help him install secret surveillance video cameras in his home.
06:37He said that he said that he feared that some of his staff might be stealing from him.
06:42And so some officers from the Palm Beach police came over and worked with his technician to install video cameras.
06:54And these video cameras were actually used by Jeffrey Epstein to record interactions he had with victims.
07:03But more importantly, the possibility that those video cameras captured interactions between wealthy friends of his and some of his victims.
07:15And this this this same operation took place not only in Palm Beach, it took place at his mansion on the Upper East Side of New York.
07:25It took place at Little St. James, his island in the Virgin Islands.
07:29It took place at his Zorro Ranch in New Mexico.
07:33And it also took place at his apartment that he had in Paris.
07:39So there was video of interactions between Jeffrey Epstein and these young women and children, but also some of the other men that he had entertained.
07:52And I want to know what happened to all those videotapes.
07:55We know in one of the evidence listings that there's an evidence listing for 70 CDs.
08:03Now, what are those CDs show?
08:05I think that that's a really good question.
08:10And I think another question that people want to know is who was involved here?
08:15Because Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and was sitting in jail until he died over charges of sex trafficking.
08:21These crimes allegedly involved minors.
08:23Ghislaine Maxwell, his accomplice, is still sitting in jail right now for sex trafficking crimes, sex, sex crimes related to minors.
08:32And so I think a big question that people have is if they were operating really this global sex trafficking ring, who else was involved aside from them?
08:42And where is the justice?
08:44Where are they going to get in trouble?
08:45I mean, the one question you had at The New York Times is who were the clients implicated in Mr. Epstein's sex trafficking operation?
08:52How are we going to get answers to that?
08:54Well, that is, of course, at the top of the list in terms of what the public really wants to know.
09:02And we know from the evidence logs that there was the contents of more than 40 computers that Jeffrey Epstein had across all of his homes and in his office in the Virgin Islands.
09:17And what's the content of those computers?
09:20Are there databases in terms of they may not necessarily be a client list with a list of names of men that Jeffrey Epstein put out some of his victims to?
09:31But I would think that we could generate a list of questionable individuals who not only Jeffrey Epstein associated with, but may have actually taken part in the sex trafficking.
09:47And I am interested in looking into the files of trying to understand what the FBI did in terms of trying to corroborate the accounts of several victims who referenced other men.
10:05This goes beyond his chief accuser, Virginia Giuffre, who said that she had been trafficked to Prince Andrew, a member of the royal family.
10:17Andrew, of course, has denied any wrongdoing.
10:21He's denied even knowing or meeting Virginia Giuffre, even though there's a photo that shows them together.
10:29He was sued by her, and he paid an out-of-court settlement to her of many millions of dollars.
10:38I want to know what the FBI did, and is this included in the files that would show what actions they took to look into the allegations and claims made by the various victims?
10:51Did they put any of these men under surveillance?
10:55Did they attempt to contact them?
10:57Did they look into their phone records or emails?
11:03It's extremely important to understand that this case goes back to when the Palm Beach Police first alerted the FBI after their initial investigation in 2006.
11:19And the FBI came in and did an initial investigation and were going to file 50 counts of charges against Jeffrey Epstein.
11:31And then, of course, as the American public knows, Alexander Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District in Florida,
11:41hammered out a non-prosecution agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
11:48And so Jeffrey Epstein only had to plead guilty to two state charges of prostitution and prostitution of solicitation of a minor,
11:58in which he received only a sentence of 18 months in jail.
12:03And in fact, he only served 13 months in the county lockup.
12:08And during a lot of that time, he was allowed out on work release.
12:13So it's been called a slap on the on the wrist sentence.
12:18And Jeffrey Epstein dismissed it afterwards and said, what I did is no worse than stealing a bagel.
12:26But the FBI continued their investigation, particularly after the Miami Herald published its perversion of justice series on him and the details of that sweetheart deal that took place in 2008.
12:45And so they interviewed new victims or they interviewed victims for the first time that they had not spoken to before.
12:54We need to see those documents.
12:56We need to see.
12:57I'm completely fine with the redaction of the victims names.
13:01I'm even fine with the redaction of third party names.
13:05But I would like to see the specifics of the investigation that we could learn from the Epstein FBI files that could tell us the various moves that the FBI made or maybe didn't make.
13:19And if they didn't make those moves, there's some explaining to do.
13:23Did they receive additional pressure from high up not to investigate certain people?
13:29We know that victims have named politicians in the U.S.
13:34They've named individuals, you know, politicians from other countries.
13:41They've named people in the science community in America.
13:49Very important people had been named by these victims in terms of taking part in the sex trafficking.
13:57And I want to know what the FBI did or didn't do to investigate these men.
14:03And just when you see the amount of victims and how he was able to operate this, I mean, it's just mind boggling.
14:10You and your book describe it as a pedophiliac pyramid scheme.
14:14But what's a trend for years and decades is that Jeffrey Epstein seemed to use money as both a weapon and a shield.
14:23And I think for most of his life, his adult life, rather, Jeffrey Epstein was this elusive, ultra wealthy figure.
14:29He was compared to people like fictional characters like Jay Gatsby, like the talented Mr. Ripley.
14:34He described himself as an experienced and successful financier and businessman.
14:39According to your reporting, I mean, his his resume is a little light for that title, but he was massively wealthy.
14:45At the time of his death, his estate says that he was worth five hundred seventy eight million dollars.
14:50So I think a question that a lot of people have, including yourself, is twofold when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein's finances.
14:56One, how did he get so rich?
14:58And two, how was he financing this sex trafficking operation?
15:01Yes, of course, these are also questions that the massive amount of material in the FBI files could help answer.
15:12There's also questions as to did Jeffrey Epstein have ties to intelligence?
15:18Did he have any ties in the U.S. to the government?
15:21And also, did he have any ties to the Israeli Mossad?
15:25But OK, Alexander Acosta had allegedly said that Jeffrey Epstein was part of intelligence and that also played into the fact that he received that kind of slap on the wrist conviction.
15:38So not only is he, you know, is there a massive amount of money here that exchanged hands, but there's also questions of intelligence and who knew about this operation.
15:52The I've been saying I've been very happy to hear through all that's come out in the past two weeks that Senator Ron Wyden from Oregon has been going down the money road.
16:07He's been, you know, looking into Jeffrey Epstein's finances, and he's reported that he's uncovered the fact that there's been almost five, that there were almost 5,000 wire transfers totaling $1 billion of money that Jeffrey Epstein moved through Russian banks to not only pay out some of his victims,
16:32but paid other individuals under suspicious circumstances, but paid other individuals under suspicious circumstances.
16:40And, you know, after Jeffrey Epstein was arrested down in Florida and received that slap on the wrist sentencing,
16:49He was wary of alerting authorities to his continued sex trafficking away from the eyes, the prying eyes of New York police and also on Beach, Florida police.
17:04So he moved, really moved his operation to his island in the Virgin Islands.
17:10And he used international fixers to deliver him victims.
17:17These were young women and children that were flown to him from places like Russia and Turkey and other countries in Eastern Europe.
17:28And they would be, they would be flown into the Virgin Islands and then ferried on boats to his island.
17:37And the attorney general in the Virgin Islands, Denise George, after Jeffrey Epstein's death, launched an investigation into what went on there at the island.
17:50And she had learned that airport personnel had seen girls as young as 12 years old getting off of planes and being sent to Jeffrey Epstein's island home.
18:01Now, you have, now that raises alarm bells in the sense of who are the men on the other side who were putting these girls on planes with the intention for Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse them.
18:18Okay.
18:19They were model fixers and they were other international individuals.
18:24I want to know in those files what information the FBI has about that operation.
18:31And are there any men that they could work with other countries to possibly apprehend and charge in connection to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes?
18:43Because these men were enablers.
18:46They did things that were almost as worse as Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell in terms of targeting young women and children
18:59and sending them to a convicted sexual predator across, you know, into America.
19:10Now, we know that one man, his name is Jean-Luc Brunel.
19:15He was a French modeling scout from Paris.
19:18After Jeffrey Epstein's arrest, he was arrested in Paris, France on unrelated rape charges, and he died behind bars in a similar fashion to Jeffrey Epstein.
19:31Now, we know that Mr. Brunel had been part of Jeffrey Epstein's operation.
19:38There's photographs of him with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
19:42Well, there's documentation showing the two together.
19:48Now, he, of course, is dead.
19:51But there are other men who may still be out there who took part in this operation.
19:56Let's get to the bottom of that.
19:58And let's get to the bottom of how Jeffrey Epstein made his money and how that money was distributed.
20:05We know that Jeffrey Epstein had two great financial benefactors.
20:12One was Leslie Wexner, who was the founder of the L Brands.
20:17He worked with Jeffrey Epstein in the earliest days.
20:21Jeffrey Epstein became his financial consultant and financial advisor.
20:29He even gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney.
20:35This was remarkable at the time and raised a lot of questions among individuals.
20:40Now, Mr. Wexner has denied all knowledge of any wrongdoing relating to Jeffrey Epstein.
20:50He simply said he was completely unaware of what Jeffrey Epstein was doing.
20:54And Mr. Wexner has never been investigated by law enforcement as to anything that would have been any type of criminality.
21:07In fact, Leslie Wexner said that Jeffrey Epstein stole money from him.
21:13And Jeffrey Epstein apparently paid some of that money back through making donations to a charity in the name of Leslie Wexner's wife.
21:22But Jeffrey Epstein received multiple millions of dollars from Les Wexner.
21:30And Jeffrey Epstein also received upwards of $160 million from Leon Black, who was co-founder of the Apollo Global Fund here in New York, and a financial wizard.
21:46Now, Mr. Black also has denied any wrongdoing.
21:49He's denied any knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, and he also has never been under any type of investigation by law enforcement.
22:02But the combination of the monies from both Mr. Wexner and Mr. Black really seeded Jeffrey Epstein's criminality, in a sense.
22:15And Denise George, the former attorney general in the Virgin Islands, said that the company Jeffrey Epstein had created in the Virgin Islands, a company called Southern Trust, was actually a front for criminality.
22:33And she went after Jeffrey Epstein's estate and the co-executors of his estate, who, you know, should be speaking, I believe, to authorities and politicians in America,
22:58to kind of explain the whole financial structure of Jeffrey Epstein.
23:05He had, by the way, Brittany, more than 150 different bank accounts, and he used multiple banks.
23:12And over time, victims have sued JPMorgan Chase and Deutsche Bank for kind of looking the other way or not following through on warnings that they had received about Jeffrey Epstein.
23:30And both banks made financial settlements with the victims to the tune of more than $200 million.
23:37So the whole side of Jeffrey Epstein's finances, how he made his money, are there other individuals that we don't know about, billionaires who also gave him money for financial help?
23:58Are there names that we don't know about?
24:00This would be very important to learn from the FBI files.
24:03And it's not only the information about how he made his money, but how he took his money and used it to basically pay for his sex trafficking ring over the course of two decades.
24:19So there's a lot of questions.
24:23And it's important to find out, are there individuals who should be brought up on financial crimes related to this scandal?
24:31Someone who people think could hold a lot of these answers is Ghislaine Maxwell, and she's arguably one of his biggest enablers.
24:40She's sitting in jail right now for 20 years over sex crimes, including minors, like you and I were discussing.
24:47And in your book, you described Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as this predatory Bonnie and Clyde.
24:53And the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed her to come in.
24:58And she said, I'm going to plead my Fifth Amendment right, according to her attorneys, unless there's some stipulations met.
25:04One of those stipulations included being granted immunity.
25:07The House Oversight Committee essentially said no way.
25:10They're going they haven't answered fully about the other conditions.
25:13But what do you think she could provide?
25:15And do you think she would be she would give an honest testimony?
25:18Well, I would hope that she would give an honest testimony.
25:22You know, she was also given immunity to sit down for a two day interview that took place over nine hours with the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche.
25:34That took place last week down in Florida near the jail where she's being held in Tallahassee.
25:43Now, in terms of Ghislaine Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell is an evil predator.
25:53Four of her victims and Epstein's victims testified against her here in New York.
26:01And rightfully so, she was convicted and sentenced to 20 years behind bars.
26:08And, you know, Ms. Maxwell, up to this, up to the point of sitting down with Todd Blanche, has never fully accounted for anything related to her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
26:25She's never expressed any guilt or remorse for the victims that the Justice Department says now number more than 1,000 women.
26:35As I reported in my book, Ghislaine Maxwell once told a close friend, these girls are nothing but trash.
26:48She had complete disdain for these young victims.
26:53Why she went along with this sex trafficking and why she went along with grooming these girls is certainly a question that I would have.
27:07This is a woman who was educated at Oxford University, grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth, grew up in a 70-room mansion in England, had such a, you know, top-class education, growing up as the daughter of the wealthy Fleet Street publisher Robert Maxwell.
27:32Well, you have to ask yourself, when she hooked up with Jeffrey Epstein, why she just didn't run away when Jeffrey Epstein began targeting young women and young girls?
27:50Why she didn't put her hands up and say, why she didn't put her hands up and say, I don't want to have anything to do with you.
27:57I'm going to get out of here.
27:59But instead of doing that, she helped him a great deal in terms of, as you referenced, I called them the predatory Bonnie and Clyde.
28:12And they presented themselves as a couple to the young victims and, in other cases, to their parents or single mothers, basically telling these girls, Jeffrey Epstein wants to help you or wants to help your daughter.
28:31He sees that she has a great interest in music.
28:34He wants to get her private music lessons.
28:37Oh, he sees that she is interested in possibly attending medical school one day.
28:44He wants to help finance her college education.
28:48They presented themselves as a wealthy couple who could help these children receive an incredible education and additional help in whatever their expertise was
29:06or what they wanted to do in life.
29:09And that was just a ruse.
29:10That was just a cover.
29:13Instead, Ghislaine Maxwell would take these young girls under her wing.
29:17She would talk to them about their sexual histories.
29:25The majority of them didn't have a sexual history.
29:27They were children, for God's sakes.
29:29And she would instruct them on sexual acts.
29:35And she would also buy them lingerie.
29:40She would buy them children's underwear.
29:43And she would oftentimes take them into the rooms with Jeffrey Epstein and not only watch the horrible sex abuse that took place,
29:54but she would oftentimes participate in this.
30:00And she would also, as some of the victims' lawyers have said,
30:06she would also arrange for private parties or sessions involving some of Jeffrey Epstein's wealthy male friends with some of these young women and children.
30:19So, this is a woman that is one of America's worst predators.
30:30And I can only hope that if she is deciding now to speak,
30:35that she will finally tell the truth,
30:39admit to guilt in terms of what she's done,
30:43but help us understand what went on and also tell us about the other men that took part in this,
30:55who possibly could be prosecuted.
30:58Because that's really what the American public wants to know.
31:03They want to know,
31:04are there other men involved in this case who are responsible and should be brought to justice?
31:11And, again, we don't know what Ghislaine Maxwell has said to Todd Blanche.
31:19We don't know at this point if she will speak with government officials.
31:24And will she be truthful?
31:26Because the government has already said that she's been responsible for perjury.
31:35They dropped those charges against her as part of the larger case.
31:38But she has lied under oath.
31:41She has lied in court depositions.
31:45And the government has found her to be an unreliable witness.
31:50So, I'm only hoping now that she will finally be forthcoming and that she'll tell the truth
31:57and also provide whatever evidence she may know of that could help in an investigation into third parties.
32:11But Ghislaine Maxwell's motive may strictly be to play to President Trump
32:20and hope that she can get a pardon or some type of commutation on her sentence.
32:28So, at this point, we don't truly know her motives as to what's going on behind the scenes.
32:36But, you know, I would say, please, just tell us the truth once and for all.
32:45And she said, according to her attorneys, that she would welcome clemency from President Trump.
32:51And then she would start talking there.
32:53And President Trump is someone who has been faced with scrutiny again over his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
33:00They had nearly a 15-year relationship there, a friendship.
33:04And you write about that in your book.
33:06You say they were similar in the sense that they were both outer borough kids.
33:10And at the end of your book, and you wrote this five years ago, that you say out of all of Epstein's past associates,
33:16Trump has the most to lose and perhaps the most to want to hide.
33:20Five years later, as we sit here right now in President Trump's second term,
33:24multiple outlets are reporting that back in May, the Attorney General, Bondi,
33:29she was briefing President Trump on the DOJ's review of the Epstein files.
33:32And she told him that he was named in those files.
33:35Do you still feel the same way that President Trump has the most to lose here?
33:40Oh, I do.
33:42And I also think that now that he is once again back in the White House for a second term,
33:50that he has a responsibility to the American public.
33:55And even before we see the, or hopefully see, what's in the FBI files that they're hiding,
34:07that they refuse to give transparency to the American public,
34:12I would like to see them release the specific references to President Trump in the files,
34:22because we know that there's multiple references to him in those files.
34:29He's our sitting president in the White House.
34:32We should know how he plays into the FBI documents.
34:38They may be references to things that don't have anything to do with the criminality,
34:48but they could be embarrassing things about him,
34:52things that he's said to some of these women,
34:56actions that he may have taken with Jeffrey Epstein.
34:59It's important for us to see what the president's involvement has been with Jeffrey Epstein.
35:08And I have to tell you, Brittany,
35:09while he has never been accused of any wrongdoing by law enforcement related to Jeffrey Epstein,
35:18and has denied knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes,
35:25it is disturbing that we are continuing to learn new details about the depth of their relationship.
35:34At the time of the 2024 campaign,
35:38a former Sports Illustrated model named Stacey Williams
35:43came forward to the New York Times and the Guardian newspaper in England
35:50and claimed in allegations that back in the 90s,
35:59she was a casual girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein's,
36:03and that one day Jeffrey Epstein took her to visit Donald Trump at his office at Trump Tower.
36:10She claims, when she went up there,
36:15that Donald Trump at the time groped her,
36:20groped her breasts, groped other parts of her body,
36:24and that Jeffrey Epstein was watching this from a few feet away.
36:29And she said, as she termed it,
36:33this was a twisted game between these two men.
36:36This was a twisted game between these two best friends.
36:40Now, that's a disturbing allegation
36:43that Donald Trump groped a young woman in the presence of Jeffrey Epstein.
36:51His campaign at the time, of course,
36:54denied, vehemently denied,
36:58this model's allegations
37:00and dismissed it as nothing more than a political hit job.
37:07But, again, we don't know the—we weren't there.
37:13We don't know exactly what happened.
37:15But we do know that Donald Trump has a very checkered history when it comes to young women.
37:24As I wrote in my previous book,
37:27All the President's Women, Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator,
37:31there was more than two dozen disturbing allegations
37:35of groping and sexual misconduct against him
37:39over the course of many decades,
37:42dating back to the 1970s.
37:44And, of course, Donald Trump was found
37:48liable of sexual abuse in a civil court in New York
37:53in the case of E. Jean Carroll,
37:56who won $80 million in damages from Donald Trump,
38:01money that she is still trying to collect from the President.
38:06So there's a well-documented history
38:13of Donald Trump and allegations of sexual misconduct.
38:20And all you have to do is listen once again
38:23to the infamous Access Hollywood tape
38:27that emerged before his first term in the White House
38:33that the Washington Post had uncovered,
38:36which he said it was okay to, you know,
38:41grope women if you were, you know, a celebrity.
38:45So, you know, I'm disturbed by these allegations.
38:51And the fact that he is back in the White House again,
38:54it really is important to know and understand
38:57what the references are to him in the Epstein FBI files.
39:02And the President continues to deny any wrongdoing here.
39:06He's also continuing to distance himself
39:08from Jeffrey Epstein.
39:10He's questioning why people care about this story so much.
39:13But the interest in this story really isn't going away
39:17until people get more developments,
39:19until more information becomes brought
39:22or is brought to the public.
39:23And, Barry Levine, as we see more developments,
39:25I hope you can come back on and join me and discuss them.
39:29Thank you so much for the conversation today.
39:30You're welcome back anytime.
39:33Thank you, Brittany, for having me.
39:34And I really enjoyed your questions and our conversation.
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