00:00And you said, I think, in passing, maybe not in passing, sorry, about, you know, whether other people who travel with him would get massages, or, so that would, when I say that I'm referring mostly to the island or potentially New Mexico, but also his Palm Beach residence or even in New York.
00:25Do you know, do you have a list of names in your head or names that come to mind of people that you know did get massages when they were with Mr. Epstein?
00:38No, there's no list. There's no list of people getting massages. I don't have, I can barely recall all the people. I can barely recall, I struggle to recall actual people that I met.
00:51And I may have met a long time, but I had even forgotten about Mr. Kennedy, or when he brought it up yesterday. It just came to my mind now.
00:59So I don't have, and there's no list. There was never a list. There was no, well, certainly none that I ever saw, none I ever heard of, none that I ever witnessed, none that I, there's no list. There's never been a list.
01:12And you never heard Mr. Epstein talk about such a list?
01:15Never.
01:17And you never heard Mr. Epstein suggest that he had some sort of control over somebody because of what he knew about what they had done, or had photos of them?
01:31I never heard him, no, I never heard him ask questions about that. I never heard him, so I've been present many times with masseuses. I never, who presumably could or maybe did massage somebody. I'm, I'm not saying whether they did, I'm not, I'm just in the Goddard.
01:47But I never heard him ask any question of any masseuse who may have given a massage to a friend who was on the island, or in Palm Beach, or anywhere else for that. Any details about that massage? Like, does he have a funky foot? No, I never heard that. I mean, it's weird.
02:03And I think at one of the breaks today, your lawyer may have showed you something that just came out in the paper, I think this morning, or last night, a letter that you, that is attributed to you, associated with this birthday book from 2003 that we talked about yesterday. Did you see that letter?
02:28I did see the letter.
02:28Is that, in fact, it just looked like your handwriting or something you wrote?
02:32So, I don't remember the letter, but it does look like my handwriting, and it does look like my name, and it looks like it could be real, but I have no memory of writing that, and I, I don't remember it at all.
02:44Do you remember what the birthday book, as they're calling it, what it, like, looked like, like, how it was put together?
02:50I do.
02:51What do you remember about it?
02:52I remember it, it was leather-bound, and I remember it being about, yay big, it was big.
02:57So you're saying, it looks like it's, like, over 12 inches, 14, 15 inches?
03:02Yes, it was, like, sort of, like, folio size, I guess, or something like that, and like this, and it was brown and thick, like, this thick.
03:11Okay.
03:12And, um...
03:13So just, so you, so I understand...
03:15On heavy stock paper.
03:17Heavy stock paper, like, 14 inches high.
03:21That looks about right.
03:21And then around, like...
03:24Well, A4, A4, we had A4, because it was done on heavy stock paper, but I can't remember if it was folio-sized paper, or it could have just been A4.
03:33Oh, I see.
03:33So it could have just been letter-sized, or it might have been legal-sized.
03:36Yes.
03:36Heavy stock paper.
03:38Yes.
03:38And the, so the folks that submitted letters were given the stock paper, or how were the letters, or did you, like, glue or something the letters to the stock paper?
03:50Every which way.
03:51Some were given the paper, and they did their own thing.
03:54Some would send me some scrap of paper, and I would put it on the thing.
03:58Some, some, I didn't get, because they went straight to Epstein, and I was just told to put them in, like I said.
04:06And how was it bound?
04:08It went to a professional binder, who did it, like, a book that you'd see in the library.
04:14So, like, like, the glue that keeps a regular book, a novel that you would read together, it was bound that way?
04:19I believe so.
04:21I don't think it was stitched, but I don't remember.
04:23I mean, it was professionally done by a professional book binder.
04:28And then, after you presented it, or after it was presented to him when he turned 50, did you see the leather-bound book?
04:37Did he keep it somewhere in particular?
04:38It was in his bookcase, in 71st Street.
04:42In Manhattan?
04:43In Manhattan.
04:44And did you see it over the years, until you stopped going to the brownstone?
04:49I saw it, I know I did see it, because it was right behind his desk.
04:55And after I stopped going, I don't know what happened to it.
04:59Do you know, do you remember being told or knowing where the book is now?
05:06No, but I, when I received in discovery those pages, I assumed that it had been found when either New York or the island was searched.
05:18And I assumed that the Southern District of New York had it.
05:21But I think you said yesterday, but just to go over it again in case you remember anything differently,
05:26you recall seeing some of the letters in discovery.
05:30I do.
05:30But you don't recall kind of seeing the leather book start to finish.
05:36No, but remember I didn't see all discovery because they were very clever about, you know,
05:41I didn't receive all discovery, period.
05:42And, in fact, very important items were not given to me at all, including witness testimony from the grand jury.
05:51So whether, so you don't know one way or the other whether it was part of discovery,
05:56you just know that you didn't get it.
05:57It wasn't part of discovery that was given to you.
05:59Correct.
06:00But there's a, I, I don't, I'm absolutely sure that the Southern District of New York hid very important pieces of evidence from me.
06:08Okay.
06:09Um.
06:11And I assumed that they leaked it because where else would it be if that's what it is, if it's true?
06:22Um, okay.
06:24So, I've, just so I put, I'll say it to you, I've talked a little bit more about it.
06:32Um, I said to you yesterday, um, that the purpose of what we did yesterday and today was, was exactly what we did,
06:41which is to have a conversation about, about, about Mr. Epstein and about you.
06:46And, um, I think it's, it's very challenging to talk about everything we talked about.
06:54And, you know, in one and a half days or in, in just a period of hours.
06:59So, I'll talk to, to Mr. Marcus about kind of what we're going to do next, if anything.
07:06Um, there's no, and I don't, I'm not being, um, coy or, I just, I don't know yet.
07:12I don't know.
07:13So, we, I have a lot of, um, we have some work to do.
07:18Um, we'll do it with your lawyers to the extent we have questions or follow-up.
07:22Um, and, um, this has been very helpful.
07:28I, I, I think it's, it was you, you know, who kind of said you wanted to talk, but, but it, we, we, we gladly accept it.
07:37So, so I do appreciate you, um, being willing to meet with us.
07:42Um, and, and I, I expect that we'll, that we'll be in touch.
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