In a newly released set of interviews with the Department of Justice, Jeffrey Epstein accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell discussed former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
00:00Did you, um, do you know somebody named Cheryl Mills?
00:06I do.
00:06Used to work in the White House as a lawyer.
00:08How do you know Ms. Mills?
00:09I met Ms. Mills through President Clinton.
00:13Do you remember generally the time frame that you met her?
00:18I do, actually.
00:19I, um, hang on, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to remember, I'm trying to get my dates right.
00:36Approximately.
00:37Well, okay, I can't get my dates right, but it's something you probably can, but it's going
00:42to be in the early 2000s.
00:44Okay.
00:44So I don't recall.
00:45I think I wanted to say 2002.
00:50So it was after President Clinton left office.
00:53Oh, yes.
00:54And so it was in the 2000s.
00:57Definitely.
00:57And how, what, how did you meet her?
00:59What were the circumstances under which you met Ms. Mills?
01:02I went on a trip with the President to South America.
01:07With which President?
01:08Oh, sorry, President Clinton.
01:10Yeah, okay, just, you know.
01:11Sorry.
01:11I just wanted to make sure it was clear.
01:13Okay, so you went on a trip to, to where?
01:17Latin America.
01:18Um, and who, and so Ms. Mills was on that trip?
01:22She was.
01:22Um, and President Clinton was on that trip?
01:24He was.
01:25Who else was on that trip?
01:26Duck Band.
01:28Um, who worked with President Clinton?
01:31Yes.
01:32And, um, was Mr. Epstein?
01:35No.
01:36Um, and what was the purpose of that trip?
01:39Um, well, uh, the President had been, I, I don't know.
01:46I mean, I, the President met with, I can't even remember every, all the, I don't know, Presidents.
01:54And, uh, we were in Ecuador.
01:55But was this part of President Clinton's work after he left office with the, with his foundation?
02:01Or was, meaning, like, was it something for him?
02:03I don't think the foundation, when did the, I don't remember when, um, the Clinton Global Initiative started.
02:08So if you date me, if you give me that date, I can tell you if it was pre or post.
02:12Because without that, I can't pin the, the reason.
02:16Do you remember what it was for or not?
02:18Uh, no, I don't recall.
02:19I mean, I don't.
02:19Yeah, that's, that's, don't, don't overthink or underthink the reason for my questions.
02:23I, I, I don't, I don't have any idea why you went on that trip.
02:26So I don't, I don't know an answer that I'm keeping from you.
02:28No, I'm just trying to be as accurate as possible and give you the information that you see.
02:33Why would you, do you remember why you were invited to go?
02:35Like, were you, were you friends with somebody?
02:37What, what was your role going on that trip?
02:40I didn't have a role.
02:43So, do you remember why, do you remember who?
02:48Who invited you to go?
02:50Um, if, probably Doug Band.
02:56And how did you know, um, Doug?
03:00Um, because Doug and, again, back with Philip Levine.
03:05God.
03:06And do you know whether he had a relationship with Mr. Epstein?
03:09Who?
03:10Doug.
03:12I, I don't know.
03:14I mean, nothing.
03:15I, I don't believe there was any relationship other than I helped.
03:21Well, without me, I don't think there would have been those flights.
03:23Because I was the one who asked Epstein to provide the plane for, well, certainly I remember the one to, um, to Africa, of course.
03:34That's that big trip.
03:36And, I thought it was an honour and a privilege to be part of something so amazing.
03:44And to have an opportunity to spend time with a man that I found truly extraordinary.
03:50Uh, and I, I, please, I don't mean it in any other way other than a, there's a form of fantastic ex-president.
03:57I don't know.
03:58Um, so, I was asking around the question, but I was asking, like, were you basically asked to go because you were kind of responsible for the plane?
04:07Not responsible is the wrong word.
04:08But, they, they, they use you, they, they were able to use you to make sure that they could, you, you helped them get Mr. Epstein's plane for the trip?
04:16No, I don't even know if when I was on that, in fact, I think, I think that trip, I'm not even sure that Epstein had met the president.
04:24Okay.
04:25Um, I think this is, if I'm right, and I think I am, I think that trip happened when Epstein and Clinton had never even, not that they'd never met because Epstein had gone to the White House, but they had not met, I'd never asked Epstein for the plane then because they'd never met and it would be weird.
04:41But, they met because of me and the plane was because of me.
04:44But that trip was the first, I think, the first trip I took with the ex-president, um, and I don't believe Epstein and he had met.
04:55And we're talking a time period when I was trying to leave, not very successfully, obviously, but I was branching out on my own and being more independent of Mr. Epstein and trying to...
05:14I had all kinds of businesses that I was into.
05:18I was trying to start the first telehealth medicine with the Cleveland Clinic.
05:22I mean, I'm not going to bore you because I don't think that's what you guys are interested in, but, um, those were the sorts of things that I was looking for him to finance so that I could stop being, you know, general manager of a hotel.
05:34Did you, so, did you take other trips with some or all of those individuals kind of without Mr. Epstein in later years?
05:47Like, you said that was the first time that you, you, you had kind of been on something like that and it was an honor and you were spending time with, with former President Clinton and, and others.
05:57Were there other, over the years, did you do that more than once?
06:00Yes.
06:00Um, we'll talk about those.
06:05Um...
06:05Like, multiple times, like too many to count, or there are three or four times, like how many times?
06:09A lot, a lot.
06:10Okay.
06:12I went on a lot of trips.
06:13Now, I don't recall all of them, not because I'm trying to be evasive or anything, but I just don't remember them all.
06:22And after a while, you know, in the incredible job that you have, all of you, that when you're so high pressured and you're spending so much time with extraordinary people like you do with, um, President Trump, it, it can blur.
06:36It just does.
06:39And there's a few things that stand out because at the end it's all just extraordinary.
06:43You know, there's, um, cars and the sirens and President, it's like, whoa, okay.
06:50Yeah.
06:51So, I understand, but talk, so don't give me, understand you can't give specific numbers.
07:00What, describe more about kind of your, that part of your life and your relationship.
07:05I'm using relationship, you don't like relationship.
07:06I tired.
07:07And you're, sorry, and you're.
07:09My employer.
07:10Yes.
07:11All right, that's for you.
07:11So, just describe what you were doing, um, with those individuals.
07:18So, when I say those individuals, I'm talking about former President Clinton, Doug, um, other folks that worked with him.
07:25All of them, yes, there were loads of them.
07:27And all of them, you know the team, I don't need to give you all the names.
07:31You have them at your fingertips and I can confirm if you give me names, I'll say yes,
07:36because they're not all going to pop into my head.
07:38Right.
07:38Okay.
07:39So, I started, um, spending a lot of time, I don't want to characterize that, but I started
07:45to spend time with the former President and with Doug and his team.
07:51And the, um, I had no purpose, really, other than I had, I obviously offered something, I don't know,
08:04um, ideas of, I don't know, anyway.
08:09And, um, he started to, uh, travel, uh, I don't remember if the first trip was Africa
08:17or how it went, but at some point, I think there was actually two trips, but I'm not sure.
08:22So, there was to Europe and then to Africa.
08:29I think maybe it was all one trip.
08:31And at some point, um, Mr. Epstein said he didn't want to go on the trip and he was going
08:40somewhere else and he just left.
08:43And I was like, well, okay.
08:44And so, I ended up doing the whole trip without Mr. Epstein or his plane.
08:51And when you were traveling with them, what were the purposes of the trips?
08:58Like, is this one?
09:00I think these were all, I think actually it was the AIDS was one of the primary ones for
09:06his AIDS, uh, foundation when he was working to do that.
09:10And, um, there were always a humanitarian side to the trips.
09:17And we went to Egypt and, uh, that was, oh, yeah.
09:23So there, so it sounds like you're describing one, right now, one trip with lots of stops.
09:30It could be, but I have a feeling that I went on other trips, but I can't remember.
09:35When you, when you went on this?
09:37I went to London.
09:38To London, okay.
09:39I don't know if that's the same trip.
09:41When you went on these trips, the, were you always on Mr. Epstein's plane?
09:47Or did you sometimes accompany them on a different plane?
09:51Correct, yes.
09:52How many were on Mr. Epstein's plane?
09:55Again, I'm not holding you to exact, but.
09:57That was a full, that was packed.
09:59Because there was a lot of Secret Service.
10:00It took all the Secret Service as well.
10:02So it was, whatever the detail is for Secret Service, it's a lot.
10:06Um, and on how many occasions, besides the trip you just described, were there other times
10:13when they used, when President Clinton and the folks he was with used Mr. Epstein's plane?
10:20I, I think it was, there was twice maybe, there was that.
10:24But it will reflect on the logs.
10:26There won't be anything that's not on the logs that you have already.
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