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00:00on today's show we went on our first day and we've been inseparable since it's not
00:05just my boyfriend my best friend and his response the love of your life was to cheat on you
00:11yeah when i was seven months pregnant he messaged that girl on facebook went out and met her
00:18they played chess in her car i heard some bs in my life but have you you don't go to
00:23a woman's car
00:24to play chess i've been made to look like an absolute monster and i'm not having it
00:29i called the show to prove my innocence you find the naked picture you find the dating website you
00:35find the opposite sex you find the searching on the google engine for what a hotel you're gonna have
00:39your doubts this guy has told her i'll have jeremy carl eating out of my hand yeah i think this
00:43is
00:43funny do you think i'm lying all right yeah i'll tell you what that comes back that i'm lying yeah
00:50yeah i'll ride around funny in a blue-essent pink mankini with a hair in pig towels yeah
01:17hello my friends good morning a big big welcome to the show right my first guest today terry is
01:21desperate to find out whether a partner has cheated on her more than the one occasion he
01:25admitted to at seven months pregnant terry says she discovered that martin had slept with another
01:30woman in a car and now believes if he can do that then he's capable of anything she says i
01:35am adamant
01:36if he fails this test for more than having it away with a woman in a car i'm done
01:42i wonder what car it was big day for a terry's on the jeremy carl show that way
01:52i know you knew what i was going to look like yeah right how are you i'm all right nervous
01:58are you why are you nervous i don't lie sorry what i don't know don't worry about the whole thing
02:02isn't it what being on the jeremy carl show yeah i watch every day i just never thought i'd be
02:06sat
02:07here talking to jeremy carl hello hi uh they should be at work don't worry about them um terry 26
02:14um
02:15in a relationship with martin for 18 months and importantly and fair play to you by the way
02:19one child matthew 22 days old so this well yeah and you look great and you've come in well like
02:26you
02:26see a lot of people they wait years and years and in fact what you've done is you've done the
02:29right
02:29thing because you want to know no i don't he does i've got no doubt he's his like yeah but
02:35there's
02:35a lot more to it than that isn't there right how did you meet martin if you say facebook i'm
02:39leaving
02:39no we met years ago when we was younger like he's hanging out in the same area as him and
02:43first love
02:44yeah um yeah i know where you're from as well do you yeah there was a bit of an age
02:48there's three
02:49years between us back when you're young guy like a bit like a thingy so he broke my heart then
02:53and then 12 years later and he to be fair he did message me on facebook he said he was
03:00and we went on our first date and we've been inseparable since literally inseparable since
03:05he's like my best friend he's not just my boyfriend he's my best friend
03:09i really respect you for being here so soon after something so important and i would in no way
03:14disrespect you because i know how important it is you fell pregnant quickly yeah due to health
03:20problems that child had to yeah the baby had down seen germany really bad heart problem so at just
03:25over three months we decided to terminate pregnancy you went through a hard time there was distance
03:30between you which happens a lot through such trauma and you reconnected and you worked hard at it didn't
03:35you yeah we did yeah and his response the love of your life was to cheat on you yeah when
03:40our seven
03:40months pregnant yeah because i know talking to you that however difficult it is you're an honest woman tell me
03:47tell me why and how you found out about it uh we had an argument that night and his brother
03:52was
03:52living with us at the time so obviously they was having a drink and that again obviously seven months
03:55pregnant i don't really want to be around it so uh i stayed in my bedroom yeah i can't remember
03:59what
04:00he was talking about but i was being horrible to him it was an argument and he was being horrible
04:02to me
04:03anyways he messaged that girl on facebook went out and met her they played chess in her car this is
04:08this
04:09this this this this i don't want i don't i know how important this is but you've got to try
04:15and give
04:15me at least 20 seconds on this he literally said to my team to be honest it was the biggest
04:20shock of my
04:21life she was a friend of mine we met up and played chess in my car and the next in
04:25her car okay and the
04:27next minute we were having sex i've heard some bs in my life but have you you don't go to
04:34a woman's car to
04:35play chess you don't go and meet someone that you play chess but it's like years ago they'd been
04:40together as well so i'm sorry but you don't leave and she knew you were together yeah she knew i
04:44was
04:44pregnant as well he's um you say tried to claim he was playing chess instead he was having sex um
04:51did
04:52you find out straight away no how long did it take for the weasel to tell you um he didn't
04:58tell me she did
05:00i've got the number of his phone i messaged her saying stay away from my boyfriend and she would
05:05then she messaged she messaged me the big massive paragraph i said uh did you did you sleep with
05:09him what happened and then she told me i'd like confront him uh yeah i did and i got told
05:14to go
05:14away don't talk um it's not true she's lying it took him a while to admit it but he did
05:19in the end so
05:20we've got him who's come in you want him to do a lie detector because you know that's if it's
05:25anything
05:25else if it's been more than once so if you can do that when i'm seven months pregnant like what
05:29did
05:30you do beforehand you're not going to like what i'm going to say to you what you'll forgive him
05:33anyway no i won't i won't no i know you're telling the truth i'm not a mug no way why
05:38are you well you
05:39were last time what i mean i'm being serious yeah no because seven months pregnant i'm not going to
05:43throw away our relationship because he is i love why is he make why is he making you a woman
05:48who's just
05:48given birth to this child do a lie detector because i admitted that i snogged the gay guy last night
05:57sorry it's the truth now i like you but cynics amongst this audience will go that's a cop-out by
06:05saying the bloke was gay in it he was gay if he was straight i'd say i just kissed the
06:09guy he was gay
06:09he was gay she just went up and went are you gay yes no no it didn't happen like that
06:14so i went down
06:14to portsmouth why did i do that to stay with one of my friends because again we split up had
06:19a row
06:19and i went down to portsmouth to see one of my friends i had some few drinks at a pub
06:22and then
06:24yeah can i just say something to you that i find myself saying almost every day on this show now
06:28i
06:28think a lot of people that come here don't actually know their worth they don't know
06:32how much they can achieve in life you're all right you are i bet you're a great mum but here's
06:38the thing
06:39i hope he passes i hope you live happily ever after but if he doesn't however bad you might
06:45think that he's gonna break he's broken me you you could conquer anything mate you've got absolutely
06:49every ability in the water but you're a great mum there will be millions of blokes that will go why
06:54would you treat a woman like that seriously so do not accept second best okay promise yeah okay
07:00you're all loved up aren't you oh yeah
07:04martin's on the jeremy cowell show you're a nice lady thanks for coming on
07:14you all right let's get your side though let's not prejudge martin thank you for coming on the
07:19show i've been in a relationship with terry for 18 months potential child matthew 22 days of age
07:23how could she be accused of not being positive well okay you know what i'm not going to give myself
07:28two words jeremy and i've been made to look like an absolute monster and i'm i'm not having it this
07:33this here i called the show to prove my innocence i've done wrong all right i know i've done wrong
07:37i've been paying for that since i've been paying for bloody things prior to that and i'm not a bloody
07:41monster mate what do you mean by that tell me the truth put your side it's only fair so when
07:47we when
07:47we first got into this relationship yeah i put in 100 and so did you i know that i told
07:52you about
07:53cheating on previous relationships and you know that and maybe that was a bad move for my part but i
07:57complete i'll believe in honesty all right okay all right honesty i know i held it back for a few
08:02days here but my head was a complete mess yeah but you didn't tell me i told you the truth
08:07i had
08:07to mess find out from the day myself i know i know i confronted you i said to you the
08:12next morning
08:12just tell me if anything happened just tell me because if i find out from somewhere else it's going
08:17to be even worse i know terry and i'm sorry you still denied it even when i stood there in
08:20mark
08:21his front room and confronted you you still denied it i was scared yeah of us losing our whole family
08:26unit of everything that we go through i know myself now yeah my head even today is more clear than
08:32what it was at that point yeah so for you to say that to me on numerous occasions i've got
08:37to just
08:37live with that forever sorry but that's because i couldn't have lived with that forever you should
08:51yeah i didn't and i wanted to save us the great details but i pulled out and i know that's
08:55not a
08:55guarantee i know that's not a guarantee no but please can we listen this woman was not scared she
09:02was pregnant because first of all your girlfriend is pregnant at home there is no way in a million
09:07years whether you sit here from now to the end of time that you can possibly expect to justify that
09:12baby i am not i never have thought that it can always be one side but this girl patently was
09:19massively in love with you perhaps looking back if we're honest when you went through that trauma
09:25both of you of losing the child and terminating the pregnancy for reasons that that must have been
09:30difficult and we always talk about from a female point of view but it affects the father as well
09:34and patently you didn't talk but you didn't tell her you did something unforgivable and yes you've been
09:41made to pay the good thing is that we're here at 22 days and hopefully if you can sort it
09:46and you
09:47haven't done anything else and you're okay and he was just gay and you didn't whatever um but but
09:53i don't know i'm not trying to justify it i'm just i know what i've done was wrong right mate
09:57i know
09:58she's all right this is why i love her he made a mistake like do you know what i mean
10:02that's why
10:02i've chosen to forgive him people tell you not to i haven't told anyone well quite a few people
10:08know now because it's easy people it's a bit easy people to cloud my job i know exactly what i
10:13felt
10:13about it i said it's best for you to talk to people but i chose not to because and to
10:16be fair you rang
10:17the show knowing this would come out and i give you credit on that front because he knew that was
10:20going to happen dna why because she kissed a gay guy no it was the doubt that was put into
10:25my head
10:25last night because i was sitting there reevaluating everything that i thought i knew from that whole
10:29portalsmith situation so but it's just dad yes have you cheated on him no i kissed a gay guy
10:37snogged a gay guy sorry why does him being gay matter can i just ask that no it doesn't it
10:41doesn't
10:41but why is that such a critical part of what you're saying why do you even have to make the
10:44point
10:44that he's gay okay sorry sorry it was not i told you well here's one thing for sure if she
10:49did just
10:50kiss him you're going to spend the rest of your time in this relationship waiting for her to do
10:53exactly the same to you what she did to her no at all no no we need to move on
10:58like
10:59and day if i could i've said to mark i'll forgive him we're going to work on it but i
11:02need to learn
11:02and forgive him for gigs he can't beat what he's done yeah it's disgusting but he can't suffer for
11:07that if i've decided to stay with him then he shouldn't be how can you possibly not think
11:11she's the best thing that could ever happen to you she's a diamond i do know that how can you
11:15she's a diamond okay yeah but that does not mean that what you just said then is accurate jeremy i'm
11:23sorry i'm not you don't have to apologize to me i love this woman from the bottom of my heart
11:27and i
11:27knew the day that we were on that first magical date in london i knew i wanted to dedicate my
11:31whole life to her and yes i made a mistake but there's so many reasons behind that it's not
11:35black and white have you cheated no have you cheated again about no what's the chess thing by
11:40the way i've got to ask i'm a chess fanatic i'm sorry i know it's silly but i'm my head
11:46wasn't straight at the moment it's not what i call foreplay after the break double lie detector and dna
11:50we're right back don't go anywhere since the study relationship terry apart from that one
11:54occasion you've admitted to have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else she said no why just
11:58say no you find the naked picture you find the dating website you find the opposite sex you find
12:05the searching on the google engine for what a hotel you're gonna have your doubts this guy has told her
12:10i'll have jeremy carl eating out of my hand yeah i think it's fine
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12:40thank you very much for that for the break terry and martin um both very candid
12:54you admit the mistake you say i'm very honestly you know i've chosen to forgive him and that's my
12:59choice let's hope we get the three answers we want and you guys can rebuild from here with our help
13:04and
13:04i will give you this credit mate you did come in knowing you were going to get it
13:07who's lie detector first should we start with um start with yours martin yeah so it was just that
13:13one night with the woman yep who was something from the past and you phoned up and said let's play
13:18some chess oh yeah that's martin since the study relationship with terry apart from that one
13:26occasion you've admitted to have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else she said no why'd you say no
13:30i was telling the truth my friend was telling the truth darling
13:40i find myself liking you too he told the truth on every single question
13:53what's the thing you say you haven't cheated should we do the dna
14:0122 days old what sort of mother is she brilliant what sort of potential father is he made it because
14:08he is the child's biological father
14:13you haven't failed have you
14:17i don't i i i know everybody i know everybody thinks i'm a cynical i really if you've failed i'm
14:23going to be very upset are you sure yes i'm 100 sure she was telling the truth on every question
14:46i told you that um i respect the fact that you came here knowing what you were going to get
14:50and
14:51that everybody would find out about it the truth is it was a ridiculous thing that happened plenty of
14:57people though and you're lucky you've got a lady like there's plenty of people recover from stuff
15:00like this and it makes them stronger and i think that you really looked into the abyss and you
15:04realized that this lady and the child is the family that you want and so you can head i thought
15:09that he
15:09was like you don't need to explain yourself no more you don't need to i've only got one last thing
15:15to
15:15say right the love of my life i've ever done like a mistake you don't like he's my life and
15:20now we've got
15:21our son now we can be a family unit
15:31so get home be a family enjoy yourself and one final piece of advice yeah get a new obby other
15:38than chess
15:39i'll see you later go take it out
15:41good afternoon right my next guest today melanie is here with john as she is utterly convinced this
15:52guy's cheating after she found a photo of a naked woman on his phone as well as finding a dating
15:59profile in his name this added to her suspicion she says today if john fails the lie detector she says
16:03i've watched it i know what you're going to say but seriously jezz we will be done melanie's on the
16:07jeremy carl show that way
16:16you're right you don't want to be here do you well not really but i know that this means an
16:22awful lot
16:23to you because this isn't just some i'm glad to be meeting you two sorry glad to be meeting you
16:28two oh
16:28bless you you all right yeah i'm cool yeah i've been with john for eight years two kids with john
16:35yep
16:36three to an ex interestingly um everything was great until you fell pregnant with your youngest you
16:45told my team yeah he changed he just didn't show me an affection or wasn't really intimate he was
16:52hardly with me at all he didn't show any interest in me being pregnant that made you suspect that yeah
16:57i
16:58thought it was just because i was pregnant i was fat you know you found a naked picture of a
17:02woman on
17:02his phone yeah saying hi john are you ready to share pictures but he don't know nothing about it of
17:08course now i'm not very technical i can't even say it yeah but um i'm not very good at that
17:13stuff but
17:13how do you get a naked picture of a woman on your phone exactly don't get my phone and then
17:18he googled
17:19for sex what does that mean i searched his google history why um because he'd lost a phone so you
17:25don't trust him at all do you don't trust him at all no checked his google history and found what
17:30to locate a phone that he'd lost and we reported it to the police and we tried to locate it
17:34and then i went through and it said he'd been googling for free sex tonight and found it
17:40sex in than it that you found it quite a few times again it's nothing to do with him um
17:45searches for
17:47hotels for two adults um found a dating website yeah i've been on a dating site yep and he admitted
17:57that didn't he and on the caption it was clearly looking for sex on that as well right what's this
18:04about because again it's actually it's a first but i think it's interesting you tracked his phone
18:10and the phone had been at a random house for a night which makes you think he was how did
18:14you what
18:14did you do well i was again searching where his location and he was supposed to be at work um
18:20but
18:21on this particular day it said that he had stayed overnight where his phone was at this location
18:26overnight this house i got the address um he was there he left in the morning to go to work
18:30started
18:30off on his journey and then all of a sudden turned back went back to the house for five minutes
18:36and then do you think as if he left something there or something it doesn't sound great but
18:41do you think you're a little bit paranoid no he's a window cleaner it was i bet he's seen a
18:47lot
18:49do you remember that person on blind date years ago when asked if he was a window cleaner he said
18:52no
18:53i'm a vision technician i absolutely i've never forgotten that um darling on a serious note because it is
18:59your life um how important is today really important i'm just what answers he's never what
19:04if he passes and this is all in your head well the things i saw i saw but then we
19:11could try and work
19:12for it do you expect him to fail yeah i do yeah and what will that mean it's over that's
19:16it he put him
19:17on tv and lied to me it's over all right we'll do our best we've got to go to a
19:21break we'll get him out
19:22and those important literature results right back don't go anywhere this guy has told her i'll have
19:27jeremy carl eating out of my hand yeah i think this is funny do you think i'm lying all right
19:32yeah i'll
19:32tell you what that comes back that i'm lying yeah yeah i'll ride around funny you know blue
19:38some pink man keeney with her hair and pig towels yeah
19:52welcome back for the break melanie um i totally respect you for being i respect the fact that
19:56you're 38 you've been with a guy eight years five kids three with an ex two with him you find
20:01the
20:01naked picture you find the dating website you find the office of sex you find the searching on the
20:05google engine for what a hotel and all that you're going to have your doubts aren't you yeah and and
20:09it's not easy you just said to me in the break you don't mind repeating this guy has told her
20:13i'll
20:13have jeremy carl eating out of my hand yeah i think this is funny johnny g calls himself is funny
20:19yeah
20:19yeah well i'm about to hit the spot john's on the jeremy carl show that way
20:32well i've said to you all the time i'll never let you down never lie to you do you think
20:36i'm lying all
20:37right yeah i'll tell you what if that comes back that i'm lying yeah yeah i'll ride around fan it
20:43in a fluorescent pink mankini with hair and pigtails yeah all right yeah but if i don't
20:51you could you have a you go around manchester in a mankini yeah i'll do it i swear to god
20:56i ain't
20:57got nothing to worry about
21:00look at me i don't lie i would never have put you with him
21:07why was there a naked picture on your phone no no no stop talking bs you've got my phone down
21:15why was there a naked woman on your phone there ain't no why was there there ain't go get my
21:21so she made it up can you just one minute please go get my phone pull it up on the
21:26screen yeah there's a
21:27bird picture of my foot i'm seeing her i'm at my mum and dad's house they're all day just pensioners
21:33yeah
21:33don't don't all right what am i gonna do i have naked women dancing in the front room yeah
21:37you're talking about the wrong picture that's the difference i've not got no naked pictures
21:41so yeah they come up with naked pictures oh hang on a minute what's that now but who had my
21:45phone
21:46who was talking on my phone did i ever see that picture who was on the whatsapp on my phone
21:50was it
21:51was it not you on the phone then yeah looking because she's telling me to look for it
21:54why would i give you the phone oh sorry why would i give you the phone now
21:58Well, thank you. Women are gonna just jump up now. Come on, I'm not stupid now. As soon as this
22:03comes back, I ain't lied, you know, all right?
22:07What's happening? Are you gonna start trusting me then and like that? Are you all right? What do you mean
22:12am I all right?
22:14I'm absolutely fantastic, mate.
22:18Why were you searching, um... I weren't searching nothing. I was a window cleaner.
22:23Why did you set up a dating profile?
22:25Right, if I tell you, my one of my mates is a lifer. I'm a little bit scared of you.
22:31Come on, a little teddy bear mate, don't worry. Come over a bit closer if you want.
22:37Do you know who you remind me of? Do you know who you remind me of? It's called the Osborne.
22:42I know, I know. You ain't got a patch on me.
22:45Come on, any captains if I go. All right.
22:48Are you in love with this man? I do love him, yeah.
22:52She's only human, isn't she? What?
22:53Only human.
22:56She's only human. I ain't gonna make myself look an idiot, am I?
22:58No, well, plenty...
22:59I'm 45 years old and I walk with a limp.
23:02Oh, I must be...
23:03You say there are loads of haters out there who are trying to ruin this relationship.
23:07All over the world, isn't there? Haters.
23:08There's haters everywhere, yeah. Good.
23:10Can you just slow down one minute? Tell him what this has done to you.
23:14This goes on all the time, though? All the time.
23:17You should let me show your answers.
23:17No, well, what do you mean, what answer can you give ya?
23:20All you say is you don't know nothing about anything.
23:21Oh, yeah, no. No.
23:22Why was you Googling for sex yet?
23:24No, no, no, no. Why was you Googling for sex?
23:26No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
23:26I would not Google my... Free sex tonight, you're funny.
23:28Your Google history.
23:29Don't give my phone.
23:29You can't explain it, could ya?
23:30Go ahead and get my phone.
23:43I don't even know
23:47Since you started your relationship with Melanie eight years ago, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
23:53No said John just telling the truth. He was telling the truth
24:04He passed every single question
24:14I'm a good on you. I see good job
24:25Nice to meet you to you take your let's be enough
24:44The next guest today Zorin is here for make or break lie detector results with his girlfriend Ronnie now Zorin
24:50great name claims
24:51He's seen messages on Ronnie's phone from a friend with benefits, and he says he's desperate Francis says she fails
24:57to test
24:57He will walk away for good today strong words Zorin did I ever think I'd say that he's on the
25:02Jeremy Kyle show that way
25:05I
25:11That's a name and a half in it. Yeah, it's a bit different than that. I thought you
25:15Where are you from England? That's fantastic
25:19Zorin the superstar
25:22Welcome to show power 27 being with Ronnie for five months, and you met by swiping right. Yeah. Yeah, see
25:28I know what that means
25:34Um, what was it about her tinder profile that made you fall for this lady straight away?
25:38You said she's not like other girls. We clicked yeah, I don't know what it was
25:42It's crazy just straight away just hit it off this chat in and then I think it was a third
25:45day chatting to
25:46I was on the phone for like three hours
25:48I don't know you can stay on the phone that long someone's not mean conversation only goes boring
25:56So you meet up yeah, and it's a very quick relationship
26:00Yeah, yeah, I think I think it was after about three or four weeks. I'm moving in God
26:04I've got a job around where she lives and everything's going amazingly got I'm fine with a little girl a
26:09little girl loves me
26:10I really love being around a little girl got no complaints enjoy it well
26:14Yeah, everything's just going good and then one day check her phone why would you check her phone if everything's
26:19good?
26:20Well well
26:21It was like she did a few things in it, and I'm like I don't know it might have been
26:24me reading into a bit too much because I
26:26I've been cheated on twice in the past are relevant to the story perhaps yeah, so what are you looking
26:32for in that instance?
26:33What makes you check her phone out? What do you think my god? That's a bit weird what what yeah?
26:36I don't know just what I just have a little nose and there's no harm is there just have a
26:39quick nose there
26:40There's no arm at the end of the day. So did you did you find anything on the phone that
26:44was like wrong?
26:45Yeah, yeah, like the messages and stuff like I know this and what just like stuff is
26:50Stuff you don't say to other people when you when you're in a relationship
26:52This is to a man who used to be a friends of benefits. Yeah, yeah, now she's with you. What
26:56are the messages say?
26:57There was just this stuff out of order early to be honest about just just him like trying it on
27:02with her
27:03And then she's like she's not telling him to like she just keeps like meshing back to him
27:08She told him she had a boyfriend in the messages. Yeah, but it doesn't be done stop after these guys
27:13these days
27:13I don't mean
27:15Yeah, but if your girlfriend's not done anything what's there to worry about maybe the whole world will want to
27:18sleep with her
27:18But if you've got it then what the hell not because some of the messages are just out of order
27:22and I was just like they were they sexual?
27:24Yeah, yeah, there was a bit sexual what did they say just the start of order things only did she
27:29say anything sexual or untoward back?
27:32sort of yeah, I'd say so yeah
27:34She was probably your brain. What did she say just just out of order to be honest with your power
27:40I don't really want to go into the detail of it. Do you know what I mean?
27:43Well, no, but I need to know because is this because you've been cheated on before is this that there
27:47was something if you
27:48If you've got a message to me a woman, and it says I'd like to do you tomorrow night when
27:52my boyfriend's at work
27:53Yeah, there's a bit different some do you know what listen mate. We're not together anymore. I've got a boyfriend
27:58leave me alone
27:58Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So did she play ball excuse the pun or not?
28:03Yeah, yeah
28:03So you confronted her about the message. What does she say then she then she was like got first because
28:08she deleted them all
28:10So like I got a girl she deleted them all so I was like well why have you deleted them
28:14all and then she broke
28:15Well, one of one that she broke one of her phone so I managed to get all the messages back
28:18up read the whole lot
28:20And I was like what the is this you taking the didn't a bloke come round to the house
28:25There's a lot of that didn't a bloke come round to the house while you were away working. What was
28:29that all about?
28:29What was that story? I don't know. Oh, here we go
28:33Yeah, he came round to the house and then she said nothing happened and then we've all met up and
28:39it just felt awkward
28:39And I said to a straight away. I think so much happened and then after that that's when I found
28:44all these other taxes from this other guy
28:45And I'm just like if Ronnie's failed this test were over for good. I loved your line
28:50I'm not being big-headed, but I get girls message me all the time
28:52I know them. I know I have a shower or I ignore him is either one of them
28:56So you know you're fit and women would would always that's what you said
29:04I don't find you fit, but you you tell them you say I'm not gonna lower myself to achieve I'll
29:09move out
29:10Yeah, it has to be right. Do you love this girl? Yeah, yeah, it's important. Yeah, very important
29:14She's come on she's gonna do a lot of text. She's 30 Ron is on the Jeremy Kyle show that
29:17way
29:28You're welcome to the show. How are you a bit nervous? Why would you do that unless you've got something?
29:33I'm telling why
29:33I've got nothing to hide and he knows I've got nothing to hide
29:36How many times if I give you my phone and said go through it? I've got nothing to hide
29:41But they say the relationship you shouldn't be like this in a relationship
29:44I shouldn't be going for your man telling him that I am with you, and I'm not interested
29:49Well, why should I mention him back then? Do you know what I mean? Don't mention him back
29:52I get that. I hold my hands up. Yes, I messaged him back, but did the messages, did they or
29:56did they not sit there and say
29:58You see me messing, goes back. I'm with Zoran. You see me messing, goes back
30:01I don't know. I don't go through your phone because I don't care. Because you don't feel the need to
30:05Yeah, I'm not interested. I trust you a hundred percent. This is about you trusting me
30:09Not the other way around
30:12Um, the um
30:14I mean, I think she's right, but it's two different people in. Now the bloke that went around to the
30:18house
30:18That was the other example. Yeah, he sort of implied to Zoran that something had gone on, right? Yeah, implied.
30:24Why would he do that?
30:25I'm not having a go at you. I'm asking you. The thing is though, he implied that when I wasn't
30:28there
30:28Do you think you could have said to the people messaging you disappeared do one don't do that? Yeah, do
30:33you think that the he's terribly paranoid? Yeah
30:40You're the one who's made us come on there, not me. We're not on here because of me
30:44Who was, who picked up whose phone and checked it first?
30:47Because of why?
30:49No, when you first found those messages, who picked up whose phone and checked it first? It weren't me picking
30:54up yours
30:54Yeah, but you can do
30:55No, not Boffitt, Zoran. I know you wouldn't do that
30:57I don't want an unhealthy relationship. I feel like I need to check your phone all the time at the
31:01end of the day
31:01Say that again
31:03An unhealthy relationship, checking her phone all the time, that's not a healthy relationship
31:06Then why did she check her phone first?
31:08Because she was acting all boogie, I'd ask her something and she'd come out with one thing
31:11She told me she can't even on WhatsApp message a work group of girls now because you're permanently at it
31:17She sat there and she said, hear me out, right?
31:19She sat there and said, I wouldn't check his phone because I don't need to do that, I trust him
31:23Why are you not the same?
31:25Because after the message I've seen and the stuff I've asked you to have
31:27But you wouldn't have seen them unless you'd looked
31:29Yeah, I've looked because of the stuff I've asked her and she's like said one thing but then I find
31:33out another thing
31:33So you don't trust her is what you say
31:34No, exactly, that's why I'm here, so I'll find out
31:36Yeah
31:36So if she's passed
31:37But you said earlier, we're here because of your behaviour
31:40We're not here because of your paranoia
31:41No, we're here because of her behaviour
31:43No, it's my behaviour
31:43I know for a fact I should not have messaged her back
31:47Okay, okay
31:47I hold my hands up to that
31:48We're here because of my paranoia, we'll clear that one up now
31:50Yeah, right, alright, calm down
31:52But
31:53I know for a fact I shouldn't have messaged him back
31:55But she did message the bloke back saying I'm in a relationship
31:57I do think she shouldn't be taking the whole blame here
32:00But why does she keep messaged him?
32:00I think you are paranoid a bit because of the past
32:02But why does she keep messaged him then?
32:04No, I get that but I'm saying I don't think it's totally her
32:07I think you are
32:07I think that even if you'd found anything
32:09The fact you went to look says how your mind is set
32:13Do you not agree with that?
32:14Yeah, yeah
32:14No, obviously not
32:18Have you cheated on him?
32:19No
32:19How many people in the audience think that Ronnie's going to pass this lie detector?
32:22Pass
32:24How many people think she's going to fail?
32:28You lot can all buy me a pint after
32:32That's great
32:32That's really good
32:34There's five blokes
32:35Hold on a minute
32:35Oh yeah
32:36There's five blokes in the audience
32:39She says when I prove you're wrong you can buy me a pint
32:41He's going to be even
32:42Oh
32:43Don't get it right you do you?
32:45Let's do it
32:46No, obviously not
32:47Difficult though
32:48Let's give him the benefit of the doubt here a minute
32:51Yeah
32:51When you have those feelings and it comes and it bites you on the backside
32:54And you saw those messages
32:55Then your brain goes
32:56And we've all been in that position
32:58We asked Ronnie since the start of your relationship with Zorin
33:01Have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
33:02Bearing in mind the man who went round there intimated that he had
33:06Your partner of five months said no
33:07She wouldn't do that
33:08Why did she say no?
33:09Tell him the truth
33:10Of course she was telling the truth Zorin
33:19We asked Ronnie since the start of your relationship with Zorin
33:21Have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
33:23Listen, she passed every single question
33:36I'm only gonna say one thing and this is 52 years of experience
33:40My god you're gonna pay now son
33:42Yeah, I know I've got a lot of kissing to do
33:44I'll tell you that
33:45You might do that
33:45Kissing
33:46Kissing
33:47Floor scrubbing the lot
33:53Interesting point though on a serious note
33:54Because not all these ends
33:56You know screamy shit or whatever
33:58I get the stuff
34:00If it's happened before
34:01He's very happy
34:02He made a point of saying with you and your girl
34:04He was very happy
34:05If you're that mindset you start telling yourself something's wrong
34:08You didn't play it great
34:10Can I just say something though
34:11In the nicest possible way
34:12Yeah
34:13She ain't like the rest of them
34:15She's proven that
34:16I reckon the next time you do that
34:18She'll probably won't look at it
34:19No I'm not coming back in six months doing all this again
34:21No way
34:23You've had a nice day
34:24I've had a nice day
34:25Lovely
34:26And you loved it
34:26Now don't worry
34:27See I lost you then
34:29See I lost you then
34:29That wasn't the sexual contact
34:30I won't
34:36Hey
34:37Listen she's not
34:38Listen
34:39I get
34:40Hey
34:40I know
34:41I know
34:42I've said this
34:43She's not taking the mickey
34:45Look at me
34:46I say fair play to you for coming here
34:48Because you know somebody would say that
34:50I get the paranoia thing
34:51But it has to end now
34:52Because in the end
34:53You will convince yourself and her to do one
34:55Okay
34:56Go and enjoy yourself
34:57And have a great time
34:58Give them a round of applause
35:02Good luck to them
35:03We'll let you know
35:03They get on a more after the break
35:05I'm right back with more
35:05For the Jeremy Kyle Show
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35:08She's threatened me
35:09She's called me names on Facebook
35:11What a big lie
35:12You're slapping my game me
35:13You're slapping my game me
35:15You're slapping my place
35:16So important to me
35:17You're a liar
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35:55My next guest today Kayleigh is here to name and shame her ex best mate Caroline
35:58Now Kayleigh claims that Caroline is a disgusting abusive drug taker
36:01Who deliberately took drugs and drank alcohol whilst pregnant
36:05In an attempt to intentionally miscarry
36:07Now she says she's tired of the abuse she receives from Caroline
36:10And after she names and shames her to the British public today
36:13She says we're done
36:14She ain't no friend of mine
36:15Kayleigh's on the Jeremy car show that way
36:25Um my first question would be before I ask you about this friendship
36:29Yeah
36:29You're mo
36:36You're
36:40Can I talk?
36:41Yeah
36:45Why would you want to publicly name and shame somebody?
36:48Hear me out
36:49Why would you not say
36:50I don't like who she's become
36:53I don't like what she does
36:54I'm gonna show some dignity and walk away and get on with my life away from somebody who I disrespect
36:59Why do you have to come on national television and scratch out and scream at her?
37:04Tell me why
37:04Well what it is is basically that she's threatened me
37:10She's called me names on Facebook
37:12Oh
37:12And she's killed two of her babies
37:14To say on television or publicly somebody is a baby killer you have to seriously substantiate that
37:21How?
37:21What are we talking about?
37:23Well
37:24Smoking drugs
37:25You were friends with her right?
37:27Yeah
37:27For a long long time
37:28Yeah
37:29How do we go from there to this?
37:31Well basically I was there with her when she was smoking drugs and she was basically like drinking alcohol
37:39So you during her pregnancy?
37:41Yeah
37:42So at that moment you're saying that you realised over time when she was smoking cannabis and she was drinking
37:49Don't look at them they should be at work
37:51Smoking cannabis and drinking alcohol that it was wrong and in the end you said something whereupon she's turned against
37:57you is what you're saying
37:58And that's what she put on Facebook
38:01She put that of you up on Facebook
38:02Yeah
38:03What does it say?
38:03Watch this girl she's a trouble causer she likes to split families
38:06No causer
38:07Oh
38:08She likes to split families up so she put that on a
38:11And it's not true I didn't split her sister up with her because
38:13You say she's a liar
38:14Yeah
38:15What has she lied about?
38:16Well basically she's accused me of basically splitting her sister up with her, Amy
38:20What has she lied about?
38:22Well she's saying that she didn't kill the baby but someone
38:25How do you know she killed her babies?
38:27Well you work it out right there
38:29You drink, you drink, if you drink fuck her and energy drink
38:33So did she have a miscarriage?
38:35No
38:36She's killed it inside her
38:37You're f***ing gay
38:39Hey
38:40It's very very strong thing to say isn't it?
38:45What else have you said about her?
38:46You say she's a drama queen
38:47She is a drama queen
38:49Her house is a mess
38:50Her hair dye doesn't work
38:53She sleeps around
38:55And she must be jealous that I can get men easier
38:57She's 16 stone
38:59You said she's the size of an elephant
39:01Yeah
39:02She's a scruffy greasy haired tramp who stinks
39:05If you can't buy her she's lying
39:06You're saying she's saying that
39:07And you're saying she's this
39:09And you're saying she's a baby killer
39:10Those are very very strong words
39:12I'm not having a go
39:13I'm just saying when you come out and you say stuff like that
39:16You need to be able to back it up don't you?
39:19Yeah but the thing is she threatened me
39:20Yeah but whether somebody threatens you or not
39:23I'm only trying to talk in a balanced way
39:25Rather than the way you lot are going to scream at each other
39:28What's the point in luring yourself to that level and doing the same?
39:31Why would you not walk away?
39:34You can't
39:34What do you achieve?
39:36By screaming in her face?
39:37What do you achieve?
39:38You just escalate it don't you?
39:40No I just walk away
39:42So what's today about?
39:43Well I just
39:44Well basically all I'm coming on right here to basically say to leave me alone
39:48So she won't leave you alone?
39:49No she won't leave me alone
39:51Because you think she doesn't like the truth
39:53And you've spoken the truth
39:54Yeah
39:54Alright darling
39:55Caroline's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
40:08We're moving the chairs again
40:10Hiya Jeremy
40:11Welcome to the show Caroline
40:12Thank you
40:12You say she's a trouble causer
40:14Basically she's blabbed to everybody about your business
40:16And for some unknown
40:17How are you so close and then this happens?
40:19This is what I don't understand
40:20Basically I helped her nearly eight years ago
40:22And
40:23That's a load of line
40:24No it was five years ago
40:25No it wasn't five years ago
40:27Yes it was before I moved to Liverpool
40:28It wasn't five years ago
40:30How did she help her Caroline?
40:31She was with a wrong one
40:33We took her away from me and my partner
40:36That's Paul yeah?
40:37Yes
40:38And
40:39She just stabbed us straight in the back all the time
40:41How?
40:41Erm
40:42Just lying
40:44Erm
40:44Just making up
40:47French
40:47It's alright
40:48You say she's a gossip
40:49You were pregnant with twins
40:51You said
40:51And this is what I was trying to say to you darling
40:54Whether you get upset or not
40:55To come out on this stage and to say something
40:57So
40:58I mean
40:59I mean you had to abort a child
41:01Tell me
41:02Tell me what happened
41:02You lost one
41:03I lost one through abuse
41:08Erm
41:12Tell the story
41:15I'm homeless basically
41:17Erm
41:17You basically took the decision having lost one to terminate the other child because you were homeless
41:22You say it was the hardest
41:23I was living in a tent
41:24You say it was the hardest decision of your life
41:26Because my family don't believe in abortions
41:29And it got to the point where I needed to do it because I wouldn't bring another baby into this
41:34world with me being homeless
41:35I might say
41:36I might say that some people will disagree with this because in these sorts of subjects people do not have
41:42the same opinion
41:43There are people watching this and I would be one of them that would say two things to that
41:48One, is that not or can that not be viewed as quite a responsible decision to make seeing as how
41:53this country is swamped with babies whose parents are not able to bring them up correctly
41:57I would say how ever difficult that was
41:59Maybe that was the right decision but then I go back to and I'm not having a go
42:04No
42:05Why do people like you not think about the consequences and not get pregnant in the first place?
42:10Because at the beginning I didn't even know I was pregnant
42:10Okay
42:11I was smoking weed, I was drinking but as soon as I found out I was
42:14Yeah but she says you sleep around with everybody behind Paul's back
42:16How long have you been with Paul?
42:19Off and on for five and a half years
42:20Paul's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
42:29You're a liar
42:32That's why you can't even say nothing
42:34Stop, come on
42:35You can't make yourself look any better are you?
42:37You can be quiet
42:38Really?
42:38You can't be even here because you don't even know what's going on
42:41No I do
42:42Who are you?
42:44Who are you?
42:45Who are you?
42:46Who are you?
42:46Who are you?
42:46Who cares me?
42:47Who's on the stage?
42:48Give her a round of applause
42:49Give me a chair
42:50I understand you love
42:52Sure
42:54What's the matter are you?
42:55What are you running on like a madman for?
42:57Because she's a liar
42:58What she's a liar?
42:59But you haven't given me any substance
43:01I tried, right?
43:03To call
43:04You've got to accept this
43:05To come out on national television and say you're a baby killer
43:08How different
43:08Why would you say that?
43:10I personally wouldn't
43:12I'm not being funny
43:13I'm one second. Have I or have I not told you there's no one else's business? Yes, exactly right to
43:18me
43:18But it isn't anybody else's business. It's an incredibly difficult
43:22He didn't make himself look any better coming on screen going up into a woman's face
43:26Apologize for that. I don't mean so
43:28Why does she annoy you
43:31Do we why does she goes around chatting people's business? No, I don't yes you do because you didn't do
43:36it to me
43:36No, listen. I'm an ex-member user. I'm off Mambo now. Yeah, you've been going around chatting. Why are you
43:42smoking weed?
43:43And drinking while she were pregnant. That's what she's I didn't even know
43:47Pregnant and she knew this you liar
43:50But why why again? I'm not disrespecting any of you. I'm asking why is this relevant?
43:58To be honest, it isn't she's the one who when we are you 27 and 28 you're acting like kids
44:05in the playground
44:05It doesn't make sense
44:08It doesn't make sense
44:10It's that old thing I said the other day if you're friends with somebody you fall out you're in a
44:14relationship with somebody and you fall out
44:16What what do you achieve by slagging each other just go on with your life with your man and let
44:21it be
44:22I had a job interview Jeremy and I got to two exercise I put all over face
44:27But I can't wait to have a job. I'm on ESA
44:29I can't really work, but I had the decency to go look for a job. She's on ESA and JSA
44:34And she hasn't even this girl has been slagged. No, but let me give you an example
44:38You you made an accusation when this girl wanted to do a drugs test
44:41She did a drugs test because she made allegations that she's on drugs
44:44You said that she smoked cannabis and she drank stuff or she was pregnant
44:47So she came to us and she said, you know what I'm being really honest I had to make a
44:51terrible decision in my life
44:52I had to abort a child
44:53I was homeless, but I'm trying to get my life back on track
44:55She did a drugs test and she passed but you refused to do one
44:59Why is that?
45:01Why didn't you do a drug?
45:03Why wouldn't you do a drugs test?
45:05I don't have to
45:06I'm not the one
45:08You're sending me photos
45:10You're never taking drugs
45:11No, so why are you not doing a
45:14P test then to try and
45:16convince me
45:18Why would you not do one to convince you know what it's pointless, isn't it the fact of the matter
45:23is
45:23Help me out. What's the point of I'm having anything to do with each other. That's what I'm saying
45:29I'm not being disrespectful
45:30I'm just going separate ways
45:32That's what I want after today to clear my name. I'm not a child killer
45:35I made it. I made it a terrible thing to say to somebody. I'm sorry
45:39I know you might not like this when you leave this stage right, but I go back to what I
45:44said in a very calm way
45:45To you. I worry a lot about what people come out with. He's abusive. She's a rubbish mum
45:50You've called this woman a child killer
45:52She freely admits her life was in the toilet. She freely admits that because of an issue not her doing
45:57she lost one
45:58She then took a very difficult decision because of her social situation
46:02Which actually a lot of people watching this will go
46:04It's understandable
46:05You know what too many people having kids that we're paying for we go out to work
46:09Do you think that was easy making that decision and you sit there and you call her a child killer?
46:13She gets accused of being a drug taker and volunteers to do a drugs test and pass it
46:19And you might not like it and somebody might say to me poor Kaylee
46:21I think you're bang out of order love and I completely and utterly respect the fact she's come out here
46:26and face that irrespective of what her boyfriend says
46:30I do
46:31Do you know what I'm saying? I can't
46:34I'm trying to be balanced here. You've got to help me out here Leanne because
46:37His approach to a fine, but you've not given to call somebody a child killer
46:43That's but the thing is as well, Jamie
46:44I've been in care all my life, and she doesn't even understand that she's got basically she thinks she's got
46:50a perfect life
46:51She hasn't been brought up for way. I've been brought your friendship end here like this guys end up
46:56Basically, I was you know what? I don't even know myself. I'm so confused. No, how did you end up
47:00at this low point?
47:02Well, you'll be honest. I don't actually know isn't it
47:04It's just got to the point where it needed sorting out you jealous of her relationship. No, no
47:09You said that a bit too quickly. I'm not jealous. I think you are okay. No, I'm not. Yes, you
47:14are. No, I'm not jealous
47:15Are you jealous of the fact that she's turned her life around? No
47:19But you know I'm not bothered about her
47:21But you look completely and utterly bothered about every part of her being
47:25I would suggest you I suggest you take a leaf out of her book with respect Kayleigh whether you like
47:30this or not
47:31Maybe you should go away and turn your life around and stop interfering other people's and passing judgment
47:39And also
47:41You don't you don't actually need to come out and shout a scream because dignity says that I will live
47:46my life as I see fit
47:48I'll make the changes. I see I respect you enormously because a lot of people
47:53Wouldn't remain able to have come out when they're accused of that build your lives together make the best to
47:58be that ignore this act in a dignified way
48:00No disrespect you to all fair play you supporting a friend. Just think about making your life better. Don't spend
48:05your energy
48:06I'm not even gonna talk to her anymore. I'm all I'm gonna say yeah, whatever you look like a kid
48:10you look like a kid listen
48:12But yeah, I'm telling you an hour. Yeah, I'm not gonna talk to her on this show and she can
48:17leave me alone
48:18Yeah, but yeah, I think you should both leave each other alone to do with you after this
48:22So we're done. So we're done. Yeah, yeah, we're done happy. Yeah to go that way you go that way.
48:26Thank you for coming
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