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00:00On today's show...
00:01We've met you lot a couple of times.
00:04Let me explain to everybody.
00:07Leanne has had sex with your Vinny.
00:10I thought you guys were done.
00:12We were never going to see you again.
00:14Shut up, me, Vinny! You're not unto me!
00:16I got up this morning, it was going to be a normal day.
00:19And they say to me those words,
00:22Julie's back.
00:23I don't appear to be able to shut the hell up!
00:25What's going on, Vin?
00:26Do you both know what you've actually done to me?
00:29To me! To me!
00:30I had a mum at the back.
00:32Let's see, Stacey, Stacey, Stacey.
00:34This is another daughter.
00:35To me, to me, to me.
00:37Give up!
00:38Danger, wait for me!
00:40Me and you, Zareva!
00:41Don't text me! Don't call me in the house!
00:44I've never, ever,
00:46I've never changed that!
00:48Let's say to you!
00:49I want to take your hand up!
00:51So we can be happy together!
00:52Oh!
00:54Do you keep making my relationship up?
00:57Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck!
01:06APPLAUSE
01:17Good morning!
01:18Good morning!
01:19It is ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:21Now, there's no doubt in my mind,
01:22some of the most talked-about guests
01:23who have ever appeared on this show
01:25are Julie and her family.
01:26One of the most controversial revelations
01:28included the time that Julie's husband, Vinny,
01:31admitted to cheating on Julie
01:32with her own daughter.
01:35Take a look at this, my friends.
01:38Leanne has had sex with your Vinny.
01:40Yeah.
01:40How long have you been married to Vinny?
01:42On a serious note?
01:4320 weeks today.
01:44What I want to know is,
01:45why have you both done it?
01:46Yeah.
01:46And do you both really know
01:47how much you've hurt me?
01:49Why'd you sleep with her?
01:50Why'd you think I sent you a text
01:52telling you everything?
01:53Yeah, but no, it wasn't!
01:54I'm backing up!
01:54No, it wasn't!
01:55You were trying to find out!
01:57Vinny, what went wrong with Julie
01:58in a short order?
01:59Ladies, be quiet.
02:00Why'd you sleep with her daughter?
02:02I don't know.
02:03It was a mistake, like I've said.
02:04I love you to a bit,
02:05you know what I mean?
02:05I wouldn't have married you
02:06if that was the case,
02:07you know what I mean?
02:08But at the end of the day,
02:10I can't.
02:10I'm not going to sit in and say
02:12I'm going to forgive you like that
02:13and I'm going to forgive Leanne like that.
02:14It's going to take a slow
02:15and a lot of process.
02:18Now, after that appearance,
02:19Julie forgave her husband.
02:20They moved on with their lives.
02:21However, just one week ago,
02:23Julie kicked Vinny out of the house
02:24and apparently is on the verge
02:27of signing divorce papers.
02:29Let's find out why.
02:30Vinny is back on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
02:41All right.
02:45Nice.
02:47What do you mean,
02:47thank you, all humble?
02:49Can I just point out,
02:50if I'm absolutely frank,
02:52at the start, right?
02:54We've met you lot a couple of times.
02:57Let me explain to everybody.
02:59I thought you guys were done.
03:02We were never going to see you again.
03:03You, before you married the mother,
03:06had a relationship with Christine,
03:07the daughter.
03:08Fact.
03:08Yes.
03:09Julie didn't seem to worry about that.
03:11She married you.
03:11How long have you been married?
03:1314 months.
03:14Together 18.
03:15Then, you come to The Kyle Show
03:17because in the midst of this marriage,
03:19you have a relationship
03:20with the other daughter
03:21when you cheat with Leanne.
03:22Fact.
03:23Yes.
03:23Julie's not very happy about that.
03:25Well, you wouldn't be
03:25because that would be
03:26two daughters out of four, right?
03:28We deal with that.
03:29We give you every bit of help
03:30and you decide
03:31that you're going to stay together.
03:33I got up this morning.
03:34It was going to be a normal day
03:36and they say to me those words,
03:38Julie's back.
03:40What's going on, Vin?
03:42I had a moment of madness with Stacey.
03:47Stacey?
03:48Yes.
03:48This is another daughter.
03:49Sit back.
03:51Another moment of madness
03:52with another daughter?
03:54Yes.
03:55Why would you not learn
03:57from the last show?
03:57What is wrong with you?
03:58Well, tell me what happened.
04:00I keep getting text messages
04:02saying she doesn't want to be with me.
04:04Who from?
04:06Everyone.
04:06I've had them off Stacey.
04:08There's Julie,
04:09looking suitably angry as ever
04:10in Cabinet City.
04:12So she's forgiven you
04:13for Christine
04:14and marries you.
04:15She forgives you for Leanne.
04:17She and Leanne have no relationship.
04:18I want to know
04:19what happened with Stacey.
04:20Come on.
04:21I mean, you're sat there all pious
04:22like, oh, poor me.
04:24What happened with Stacey?
04:25It's just a moment of madness
04:26with Stacey.
04:27Yeah, what was the moment?
04:30It's what she feels like.
04:33So I'm going to tell you
04:34this is very glamorous.
04:35This was at the bus stop.
04:37So you're at the bus stop
04:39waiting for a bus.
04:41Stupid combination.
04:42What happens?
04:43Well, Stacey put her hand down my pants.
04:48Stacey put her hand down your pants.
04:51If I was stood at a bus stop,
04:53you know,
04:53I'd be waiting for a bus.
04:54I wouldn't be actually thinking
04:56that my wife's, you know,
04:58daughter, in your case,
04:59was going to just walk up to the bus stop
05:00and be like,
05:00yo, Vinnie,
05:01straight down the trail.
05:03How does that happen?
05:04Like I said,
05:05a moment of madness.
05:06So you wanted her to do it?
05:08I asked her to do it.
05:09You asked her to do it?
05:11And what happened?
05:12She did.
05:13So she did whatever she did.
05:16And then what happened?
05:17She got a conscience.
05:17The bus arrived.
05:18What was it?
05:18What happened?
05:19The bus turned up.
05:20She got on the bus
05:21and I went up.
05:22I remember this in my mind distinctly.
05:24Last time you were so like,
05:26oh, I'm so sorry.
05:27I've done the worst thing.
05:28I've cheated on you.
05:30We haven't been married long.
05:31I've cheated on you with Leanne.
05:33This will never happen again.
05:34I want to win you back.
05:35People in the end
05:35are just going to think
05:36you're a complete idiot.
05:37What's wrong with you?
05:38Why can't you get the message?
05:40No wonder she's left you.
05:41She's there.
05:42She says,
05:42we're done.
05:43We're through.
05:43And you're out here,
05:44what, with flowers going,
05:45oh, Julie, I love you.
05:46Is that it?
05:47No.
05:48Well, why have you bought flowers then?
05:50To give it.
05:50It's because I'm not going home without her.
05:53I'm not.
05:54Well, you think you can win her back
05:55having, what,
05:56had something physical
05:57with three of her four daughters?
05:59That's the reality
06:00of what we're saying,
06:00because I'm a little bit confused.
06:02And I'm also confused
06:03as to how you managed
06:04to have all these women
06:04running around after you.
06:06That's what I'm saying.
06:07But what's going on?
06:09I don't know.
06:11If you love this woman,
06:13whatever her flaws
06:14and your flaws,
06:15why do you keep doing whatever
06:16with his...
06:17Because I keep getting messages
06:18saying she's doing this
06:19and she's doing that
06:20and she's cheating
06:21behind my back.
06:21What, so people
06:22are making out
06:23that Julie's messing around
06:24so that means
06:24I'll just go to a bus stop
06:26and have a quick one
06:26with one of her daughters?
06:27It wasn't like that.
06:28Well, of course it was like that.
06:31It was a moment.
06:31So you've got no restraint.
06:33You have no ability
06:34to control yourself.
06:35If somebody says
06:35your wife's up to no good,
06:37you think,
06:37oh, I'll go and catch a bus.
06:38No, I want to have a quick one
06:39at the bus stop
06:39with the daughter.
06:40What's the lie?
06:41Well, at what point...
06:42I'm getting angry
06:43because I don't quite understand
06:44why she's even here.
06:45She wants to tell you
06:46to pack your stuff
06:47and disappear
06:48out of all of their lives
06:49forevermore.
06:50What do you want me to say,
06:51Vin?
06:51A bunch of stupid flowers.
06:52This is great.
06:54We haven't had sex for ages.
06:55It's put a strain
06:56on our relationship.
06:59Poor you.
07:01Why don't you spend more time
07:02trying to, I don't know,
07:04get back in your wife's good books
07:06rather than...
07:06Do you try and spend time
07:07with...
07:07What, by sleeping
07:08with her daughters?
07:11So today's make or break.
07:12She says,
07:13I'm going to divorce you.
07:13I don't want anything to do with you.
07:15And what am I doing?
07:16I'm going to what?
07:17Go and argue your case with Julie?
07:20Is that what I'm going to do, is it?
07:23Why am I doing this?
07:24This is ridiculous.
07:25How many times
07:25has this woman been here?
07:30I repeat,
07:31I don't mean to be rude.
07:32I didn't think I'd see you again.
07:33Hi.
07:34Why are you...
07:36Jules?
07:37We've done this.
07:38He slept with Christine.
07:39You got married to him.
07:40You were all right with that.
07:42Leanne?
07:43I didn't think
07:43I'd ever see you again.
07:44I don't mean that disrespectfully.
07:45I really didn't think
07:46I was going to end up back here,
07:48to be totally honest.
07:49Stacey?
07:50Yeah.
07:51What's the face for?
07:52Because you just...
07:52Because...
07:54When it comes to Stacey,
07:55he walked her to a bus stop
07:57and he knew damn well
07:58everything was okay with us.
07:59He says that you weren't
08:01sleeping with him,
08:01you weren't giving him any attention.
08:03And why wasn't I sleeping with you, Vinnie?
08:04Have you been to the doctors
08:05and checked if you've got any STIs lately?
08:08For what?
08:09I'm not getting no...
08:11For what?
08:11I'm not getting
08:12climate, do you ever do that off you?
08:14Who's got that off?
08:15Exactly.
08:17People that I can't name
08:18that you've been sleeping with as well.
08:20Really?
08:21Do you find me sexy?
08:22Oh yeah, you're sexy.
08:24Me.
08:26You ain't got a wife.
08:29Well, that sounds rather black and white.
08:32Since the last show,
08:33you and Leanne,
08:34the one that he cheated with,
08:36what's your relationship with her like?
08:38It isn't.
08:39Since the last show,
08:40me and my mum are no longer
08:41having a relationship,
08:42she chose to disown me
08:43and gave Vinnie another chance.
08:44We were both in the wrong
08:45for sleeping together
08:46behind my mum's back,
08:47but I, as usual,
08:48get the blame for everything.
08:49This is from Leanne.
08:50Listen to this.
08:50After the last show,
08:52me and Vinnie
08:52were in a brief relationship
08:54when he was on a break
08:55with my mum.
08:55Did you know that?
08:56He did.
08:56So he went and slept with her again.
08:58Which was 13 weeks ago.
09:00He told me he's always like me
09:01and will never get over me.
09:03Now rumours have come out
09:04with Vinnie and Stacey
09:05having sexual contact
09:06and to be honest,
09:07it wouldn't surprise me
09:08if this had happened.
09:09I feel sorry for him.
09:10She feels sorry for that.
09:11I feel sorry for you,
09:12will you?
09:12Listen.
09:13You can have either of them
09:14because you ain't got me.
09:15He's clearly in a relationship
09:16that makes him unhappy
09:17and I know my mum
09:18doesn't treat him very well.
09:19The best thing would be
09:20for him to move on
09:21and live his life
09:22away from my mum.
09:23Treat she well.
09:25Who's had you
09:25loved by the throat?
09:27You've had me by the throat,
09:29you...
09:30Not me.
09:31You're the one
09:32that's had me by the throat.
09:34That's why I kicked you out
09:35and then I find out
09:36the day after on the phone.
09:38You've done that
09:38at the bus stop
09:39and stay for your dirty...
09:41He thinks that those flowers
09:43are going to make a difference.
09:44Reading this statement...
09:45I don't even like flowers
09:46so how well do you know,
09:48really know your wife?
09:49I don't like flowers?
09:51Pathetic?
09:52Shove them off your...
09:55On a serious note,
09:56he says after this break,
09:57I want to win my wife back.
09:59I know I slept with Christine,
10:00your daughter,
10:00before we got married.
10:01I know I messed about
10:02with Leanne after we got married
10:04and I'm now having a quickie
10:05with your daughter Stacey
10:06at the bus stop
10:06but he said,
10:07I didn't want to come back here
10:08but I'm doing it
10:08because I want to win you back.
10:09We're going to do it next.
10:10Don't go anywhere.
10:11I'm right back.
10:12See these?
10:13Get up.
10:15There's your wedding ring.
10:16I've never, ever,
10:18ever, ever,
10:22It's killing me.
10:23I love you.
10:24It's best.
10:38Have you been accused of cheating?
10:41Do you need to prove your innocence
10:42with a lie detector?
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11:15Not looking great.
11:16Welcome back.
11:16Before the break,
11:17I was with her.
11:18I mean,
11:19you look shocked.
11:21I expected this,
11:22do you know what I mean?
11:23Well,
11:23I'm not surprised
11:24because you've had sex
11:25with three of her daughters.
11:28Well,
11:28I just,
11:29I don't mean to be rude,
11:30mate,
11:31but I really don't know
11:31what planet you're from.
11:33And the great thing about Julie
11:34is she speaks complete sense
11:37because she says
11:38that if you were the last man
11:39on God's earth,
11:41she'd rather get married
11:42to a tree.
11:44Julie is back
11:45on the Jeremy Kyle show.
11:46That one.
12:02He's just run
12:03like he's,
12:04come on,
12:05Jules,
12:05I'm not doing it.
12:06Where has he run to?
12:07Why do I have a set?
12:09Where's he gone?
12:11Why are you running off?
12:12Because I'm getting text messages
12:13off it.
12:14The daughter's saying
12:14she doesn't want to be with me
12:16and it's this nut.
12:17Then you know
12:18what I'm supposed to do.
12:19See these.
12:20Give them to your
12:22days of wedding ring
12:23and put it in for the divorce.
12:25Me and you's over.
12:26Don't text me.
12:27Don't come near my house.
12:29Get the out of my life.
12:30But when I've got your daughter
12:31trying to meet that,
12:32you're doing,
12:32you've got what I've been with.
12:33You're doing this.
12:34You're doing this.
12:35You're doing this.
12:35How is this?
12:36This is happening.
12:36You're totally out.
12:37We wasn't together.
12:39Me and you.
12:39We wasn't together.
12:40Once we went.
12:42Twice.
12:42Once.
12:43Once.
12:44Twice we weren't together.
12:45Twice.
12:45And love.
12:46If you love me
12:47the way you come out
12:48with this shit,
12:49you wouldn't have done
12:50any of this to start with.
12:52I've never, ever,
12:53I've never cheated on you.
12:54What I always said to you,
12:56I want to play some battle
12:58so we can be happy together.
13:00But yet,
13:01let me look at it now.
13:04Come on.
13:05I'm going to get him back.
13:06I'm going to get him through again, are you?
13:08It's not worth it.
13:08Come on.
13:09Can I just,
13:09can I, sorry,
13:10sorry, Charlotte.
13:11This is your problem.
13:12You're interfering in our marriage.
13:13You've opened your mouth every time.
13:15You need to back off
13:17and leave us with our money for.
13:18Hold on.
13:18Hold on a second.
13:19She's the only one.
13:20Oi, come here.
13:21Don't quit my daughter.
13:22She's the only one
13:22you haven't had sex with.
13:24Why is it her fault?
13:25Why?
13:26Because every time
13:26we try and sort some out,
13:27she's always saying
13:28she's getting involved.
13:29You can't keep it in your trousers
13:31and you will blame everything.
13:32You said something really interesting.
13:34You said to my team,
13:35if there was one daughter
13:37that you didn't trust a year ago
13:38and had thought it would have been.
13:40I can't apologise.
13:41I'm on the stage, you two.
13:42Can you come here, you two?
13:44Oh, God.
13:44Sit down.
13:47You're going to have a great afternoon.
13:50Right, you sit there.
13:51Charlotte, seriously,
13:52this is ridiculous.
13:53Not a word, Chills.
13:54What?
13:55You know what I mean?
13:56I mean, we've done...
13:56Oh, he's back now.
13:57Oh, no, he's not.
13:58He's done this so many times.
14:00Why does your mother
14:00keep forgiving him?
14:02I don't know
14:03why my mum forgives him.
14:05But, you know what?
14:07I've stepped...
14:07I've been with my mum
14:08since he's had her arm in the throat.
14:11He said he came here, Charlotte,
14:13today to win your mother back.
14:15I'm not in front of me.
14:16That ain't gonna happen.
14:17I've seen my mum not sleep,
14:20not eat.
14:21All right, when they're at home,
14:22just not a word, Chills,
14:24just be quiet, Vinny.
14:25Shut up.
14:26When they're at home,
14:27when...
14:27I mean, he's going on about
14:28people are sending text messages
14:30and stirring it.
14:31Well, if you love somebody
14:32and it's not working,
14:33you don't listen to other things,
14:34you sit down, you have a conversation.
14:36What are they like together?
14:38Is it always like this?
14:40When my mum's feeling low,
14:42as in she doesn't feel,
14:43you know, decent in herself,
14:44she'll go and have a bath,
14:45she'll relax,
14:46she'll come down,
14:47she'll put a bit of makeup on,
14:48she'll make her feel herself
14:49a bit glimmed up.
14:50He'll turn around
14:50and call her a fat...
14:53A fat...
14:53...you, Jules,
14:54in all seriousness,
14:55because there will come a point
14:56where, and don't take this
14:57the wrong way,
14:58I've always been straight
14:59on this show,
15:00there will come a point
15:01where people go,
15:01do you know what, love,
15:02put up or shut up.
15:03He slept with three of your daughters.
15:05If you go back to him,
15:06at the end of the day,
15:07we set our own level in life.
15:09If you are prepared
15:10to keep going back
15:11to a bloke
15:12who thinks it's all right
15:13to cheat on you,
15:14and by the way,
15:15with your own children,
15:16who are lower
15:17than anything to do that
15:19with their what, stepfather,
15:20then nobody will have
15:21any sympathy.
15:22Jules, Charlotte's right.
15:23It's not happening.
15:24You have to basically say,
15:25almost with a calm dignity,
15:27you have to say,
15:28Vinny,
15:28I would rather
15:29be on my own.
15:30He doesn't listen
15:31because he's done nothing
15:32but text me
15:32and I've been telling him
15:33to back off
15:34and leave me alone.
15:35Well, today he will listen
15:36but I'm going to tell you something.
15:37He sent me a text saying,
15:38do you want a divorce?
15:40That's just bluff.
15:40I am putting him
15:41for the divorce.
15:42No, no, we'll do this
15:43in a minute.
15:43When somebody knows
15:44in life that you're
15:45actually for real
15:46is when you stand
15:47in front of them
15:48and nothing they say
15:50or nothing that they could do
15:52would make any difference.
15:54He, I think,
15:55is utterly under the impression,
15:56look at me,
15:57that this is just
15:58you having a shout
15:59and then everything
16:00will be fine.
16:01He is not right for you.
16:04There's no, there's no
16:04going back.
16:05Unless you put your foot down,
16:08right?
16:09You talked about violence.
16:11Back there, true?
16:12Yeah.
16:13What's he done to you?
16:16The reason of him
16:17getting kicked out
16:18was because we actually
16:18went to open the door
16:19to Charlotte and her husband
16:22and as I stood up
16:23off the sofa
16:24he grabbed me by my throat
16:25and pushed me on the sofa.
16:27Jules, here's the thing.
16:28He's violent,
16:29he's a cheat.
16:30The only person
16:32that can do this
16:32is nobody here,
16:33none of your daughters,
16:34not Graham.
16:35You have to calmly tell him
16:37and if you don't stick to it,
16:38I'm going to tell you
16:38this here and now,
16:39I'm going to absolutely
16:40tell you,
16:41I swear on my life
16:42I'm not doing this again
16:43but unless you tell him,
16:45right,
16:46it will never, ever,
16:47it's not going to get better.
16:49We're going to go this way,
16:50come with me,
16:50you two,
16:51you are going to tell him.
16:57Just got to,
16:59just,
16:59it's not healthy,
17:00hold that door shut.
17:03stop the screaming
17:04and the shouting
17:05and all that.
17:06Do it in a dignified way,
17:07it's not worth it,
17:08Jules,
17:08you can't understand that.
17:10Look at him,
17:11he thinks he puts a suit on,
17:12buys some flowers,
17:13you're going to have your back.
17:14Go like this for now.
17:16Right,
17:16I started to forgive.
17:18Right?
17:18You're going to start to forgive
17:19all this with Leanne.
17:21All this that's happened with Leanne.
17:22You shut up and hear me out.
17:23Every argument we had,
17:24you kept bringing it up.
17:25You're the one that cheated.
17:26I know,
17:27I'm the one that cheated.
17:27Shut up then and listen to him.
17:28Why?
17:29Listen to him.
17:30Because every argument
17:30that we have cheated,
17:31you bring it up.
17:32Oh,
17:32this is a bad thing.
17:33Look at what you've done,
17:34Leanne,
17:34look at what you've done,
17:34Leanne.
17:35How many times have you called me a
17:37you liar?
17:38How many times have you called me a
17:40how many times have you said I've cheated?
17:43I swear to damn now,
17:44I will do a lie detector.
17:46I've never cheated.
17:47How many of your daughters have turned around
17:49and said to me,
17:49text me and said to me face to face,
17:50you don't need to prove enemy to him.
17:54If you believe my kids,
17:56you knew from day one,
17:57they went out to cause trouble.
17:59Well,
18:00they've done it love.
18:02Marriage is over.
18:03I am filing for a divorce.
18:05Leave me alone.
18:06Get out of my life.
18:07You ever go to whip my daughter again
18:09in the kitchen.
18:10I ain't going to whip your daughter at all.
18:12Don't you dare say you never went to a Charlotte.
18:14Don't you dare.
18:15Yeah,
18:16because
18:16her husband has to pull the back.
18:19Why were you violent to her?
18:20Because Charlotte comes to water.
18:21What did you do to Julie?
18:23You got her by the throat.
18:24I grabbed her by the throat.
18:25Oh,
18:25you did?
18:26Yeah,
18:26but I didn't grab her.
18:27Grab her.
18:28It was just,
18:29I had me hand there
18:31to push her back.
18:32Charlotte,
18:32do me a favour.
18:33Bye.
18:34Allow this man,
18:35right,
18:36never,
18:37ever,
18:37ever allow this man
18:38to ever go anywhere near.
18:40You want to talk to him as well,
18:41don't you?
18:41Oh,
18:42yeah.
18:43I was stopped
18:44from punching you that day.
18:46You swung for me.
18:47I swung for you?
18:48In the kitchen.
18:48I was stuck by the kitchen.
18:49Don't you were stuck by the kitchen sink?
18:51Look at you.
18:51Listen to her.
18:52No.
18:52Yes.
18:53Because it's all.
18:54No,
18:55it's not.
18:55You're the one that's cheated.
18:56Yeah,
18:56I'm the one that's cheated.
18:58Yeah,
18:58but when I'm told she's cheating on me,
19:00she's doing this,
19:00she's doing that.
19:01Do you know what?
19:02I'll tell you something now.
19:03I'm moving home with my life.
19:05I am going to go out.
19:06I am going to meet someone
19:08that will respect me for me.
19:10Because at the end of the day,
19:11I'm better.
19:13So get your kids to back up then.
19:15I'm going to go back a minute.
19:17Before we went back to Liverpool,
19:18we were sorted.
19:19I've got a minute.
19:19Before we went back to Liverpool,
19:21we were sorted.
19:22I put Stacey's,
19:24I put Stacey's hand down.
19:26Do you know what?
19:26Can I listen to me?
19:27No, no, listen to me.
19:28Can I tell you something?
19:29He thinks,
19:30just calm it,
19:30because I told you,
19:31you actually are that big-headed
19:33as you believe
19:33that she's going to come back to you.
19:35Let me tell you something.
19:35I'm going to do everything
19:36in this show's power
19:37to make sure
19:38that you never darken her door again.
19:40You've gone through her daughters,
19:42right?
19:42You've disrespected her
19:44and you've been violent.
19:44I've gone through her daughters.
19:45I didn't even know, Julie,
19:46when I was with Chris.
19:47And when this goes out,
19:48women will find it hard,
19:49to go anywhere near you.
19:51I didn't even know,
19:52Julie, when I was Chris.
19:56I thought it would have been there.
20:01Do you know what?
20:01I can't apologise to you, Charlotte.
20:04Oh, I can't...
20:05There isn't enough words
20:06for me to apologise to you.
20:07You've had your problems,
20:07you two,
20:08but you've sorted it out.
20:09You have got to listen
20:10to Charlotte and this show.
20:11She has been there for me.
20:12I'm being there for me.
20:14It's over.
20:15But if you carry on
20:16screaming and shouting,
20:18I know that you think
20:19it's going to be fine,
20:20don't you?
20:20It's not fine.
20:21No, I don't think
20:21it's going to be fine at all.
20:22Well, I'm telling you.
20:23I don't think it's going to be fine.
20:24Well, it shouldn't be.
20:25I'm telling you for the last time.
20:25It ain't fine.
20:26You've got your wedding ring back.
20:27I'm filing for a divorce.
20:29Just sign the divorce papers.
20:31Well, I'll wait five years,
20:32love, don't you worry,
20:33and I'll get you on the ground
20:34as a decision
20:35because me and you,
20:36we ain't got a marriage.
20:37I really detest you.
20:39You've hit me so much.
20:40You've brought me down to the ground.
20:42You've trepped me like some dirty...
20:44Well, I don't know.
20:47I don't know one.
20:49And go to the doctors
20:50because the people
20:52that you've slept with,
20:53you might have SDI.
20:54Oh, sorry.
20:55You cut that thrush again.
20:57Oh, hang on a minute.
20:58I don't really want to get
21:00into sexual transplants.
21:01I don't want to know.
21:02Is it over?
21:03It's over for God.
21:04You...
21:04You can say no.
21:05It's over.
21:06It's not.
21:06What do you mean it's over?
21:07No, it's not.
21:08Hold on.
21:08Look, the rules in my court.
21:10Our marriage is dead.
21:12It's over.
21:13You're nothing to me.
21:14Get out of my life.
21:16Come near my house
21:18and I will have you arrested.
21:25I like it.
21:26I don't...
21:26You want to see me
21:27getting arrested?
21:28Come near my house
21:29and I will have you arrested.
21:31Stay away from me.
21:32Stay away from my kids.
21:33Steve, do me a favour.
21:34She couldn't have made him a...
21:35Go.
21:38Get him out.
21:39Not that way out.
21:41Don't take your drugs
21:42and I hope you choke on them.
21:44Listen to me.
21:45Listen to me.
21:46I know this is the Jeremy Carter show
21:48but I'm going to say this to you.
21:52The drama has to stop.
21:56Factually.
21:56Listen.
21:57I'm going to ask you to go with Graeme in a sec.
21:59The...
21:59Come on.
22:00When people tune in, right?
22:02This guy has slept with three of your daughters.
22:03This guy has been violent.
22:04Julie, we set a bar.
22:06Graeme, come here a sec.
22:06It's right.
22:07We allow ourselves to be treated.
22:09If you go...
22:10I'm going to be so straight with you.
22:11Now, look at me.
22:12I don't want to see you again
22:13but if I hear that you've gone back with him
22:16you deserve everything you get.
22:18It's not happening.
22:18This is it, Jules.
22:19It's not happening.
22:19It is goodbye.
22:20Look after your mother.
22:22Graeme is in charge.
22:23Give them a round of applause.
22:24Thank you very much indeed.
22:29I said it when we started that part.
22:31I never thought that we would see those people again
22:33but here's a guy
22:35who has had sexual contact or intercourse
22:37with three of her daughters.
22:39She's forgiven him.
22:39Today it comes out he's violent.
22:41He comes out here.
22:42Oh, bunch of flowers.
22:43Please forgive me.
22:44We are going to work with her.
22:45She has to stay strong.
22:46The last thing in the world
22:48that she should ever do
22:49is contemplate being back with a guy.
22:51After the break we continue on that stage.
22:52A man who suspects his partner
22:54tried to get him arrested
22:55in a bid.
22:56Check this.
22:57To have secret sex with another man.
22:59I'm right back.
23:00You look amazing.
23:01You gave birth three days ago.
23:02Gee, that's a round of applause in itself.
23:06If he's not the father
23:07he's not going to know
23:08how he's going to feel.
23:09What would it mean if he was?
23:11Everything.
23:14Are you okay?
23:15What if he's not, sweetheart?
23:17I hope you're brave, Mum.
23:30My next guest today, Alex,
23:32says that he's packed his bags
23:33and is ready to walk out
23:34on his nine-year relationship
23:35if his girlfriend today
23:36fails the lie detector.
23:38Now, he suspects Mary
23:39even tried to get him arrested
23:40and locked up for a night
23:42in a bid to have secret sex
23:44with another man.
23:45Because that happens, doesn't it?
23:45Now, get you arrested
23:46so I can have sex with somebody else.
23:48Alex on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
23:56Nice to meet you.
23:57Yes, sir.
24:00You've been with Mary
24:01for nine years.
24:03I don't mean to be rude.
24:04I read a story like this.
24:05Did my girlfriend get me arrested
24:07so she could have sex with somebody?
24:08Can we just talk about
24:09the relationship
24:09before we carry on?
24:10You say,
24:11this woman means the world to me.
24:14She does, aye.
24:14How long?
24:15Good for how long?
24:17Tell me about the relationship
24:18at the beginning.
24:18It's been alright
24:20for the beginning.
24:21It was just good
24:22for last summer
24:23this has all started.
24:24Right, take me from last summer.
24:25That's when the problem started.
24:26What happened?
24:27Take me through it.
24:27There's two occasions.
24:29First time was
24:30Biffy's had an argument.
24:31I went to my mum and dad's
24:33to stay
24:33for a couple of days
24:34because that's what I usually do.
24:36So when you have an argument
24:36you go,
24:37I need a bit of space
24:38to go off to my mum and dad's.
24:39What happens?
24:39I phone her
24:40and say I'm writing.
24:42We've had her a couple of days
24:43like we usually do.
24:44Yeah, cool down.
24:45I'm coming back over.
24:47She says,
24:48if you come back over
24:48I've got to phone the police
24:49to get you lifted.
24:51I don't know.
24:53And then later on
24:54after this
24:54she tells me
24:56that she's had this scouse lad
24:57in the house.
24:58A scouse lad?
24:59Aye, in the house
25:00all night.
25:01Um,
25:02that was one example.
25:04Uh-huh.
25:05Then you found her
25:06at a man's flat.
25:07Aye.
25:08How do you find
25:08your girlfriend
25:09at a man's flat?
25:10What happened?
25:10Well,
25:11another argument.
25:12I stayed at my friend's house
25:14who lives across the road
25:15from Mary.
25:15I went to her door,
25:17no answer at her door.
25:19When I walked on the stairs
25:20I heard her voice
25:21coming from
25:21the neighbour's house.
25:23Do you genuinely believe
25:24this woman has cheated?
25:25Aye.
25:26My bags are packed
25:27and I will go
25:27if she fails.
25:28Can we just go into
25:29a bit more detail
25:30about the arrest?
25:31You were arrested.
25:32Aye, I got arrested.
25:33Why?
25:34Well,
25:35we had an argument
25:36over
25:37the scouse lad
25:38and I've got out of Bath
25:40and I met her got through
25:41and she phoned the police
25:43and got me arrested for it.
25:44How long were you
25:45in the cells for?
25:46Two hours.
25:47Two hours.
25:47Aye.
25:48Do you genuinely believe
25:49that she would go to the lengths
25:50of getting you arrested
25:51or taken,
25:52carted off by the cops
25:53so that she could have sex
25:54with somebody else?
25:55Why wouldn't she just dump you
25:56and go,
25:57I don't want to be with you anymore,
25:57it's all over?
25:58I'd prefer it that way.
25:59Would you?
26:00Aye, I'd prefer it,
26:01just to be honest.
26:01I know you're nervous,
26:02absolutely,
26:03and I get that point.
26:03You say,
26:05all I wanted was the truth.
26:06I don't actually want to be here,
26:08but you've said to my team
26:10if she fails this lie detector...
26:11I'm gone.
26:12What, even if she's kissed somebody else?
26:14I'm gone.
26:15Who found the show,
26:16you or her?
26:17It was a joint.
26:18Let's get Mary on the Jeremy Kyle show,
26:20she's coming that way.
26:28Mary, welcome to the show.
26:30This is really interesting
26:32when I read this this morning.
26:33Aye.
26:34You're either the best liar in the world
26:35or the sweetest person.
26:36You said,
26:37the ironic story here is,
26:39Alec is the only person
26:41I've ever slept with
26:42or lost my virginity to him,
26:43I would never cheat on him.
26:44Aye.
26:45We've been the good old nine here.
26:48Alec had a drink problem in the past
26:50and he's getting a lot of it.
26:52We've also been through other problems,
26:53you know, but...
26:54Here's an interesting point.
26:56You were a raging alcoholic.
26:57I was, aye.
26:58I mean,
26:59to the point where this man
26:59would drink three bottles of whiskey a day.
27:01Bear that in mind.
27:03How long have you been dry for?
27:04Since the foster set down.
27:0533 weeks.
27:0633 weeks.
27:07He hasn't had a drink,
27:08are you going to?
27:08Good man.
27:10Her point is...
27:13Her point is,
27:14right,
27:15I've stuck by you through this,
27:17why would I do it now?
27:18But his point is,
27:18and this is what you need to talk about,
27:20he goes,
27:20maybe I was that off me head,
27:22I didn't know what you were up to
27:23all those years.
27:25That's what you told my team, right?
27:26Aye.
27:27Well,
27:27talk to him.
27:28There was even,
27:28it was that time in Scotland
27:30when I found the texies on your phone,
27:32you're planning to meet that guy.
27:33No,
27:33that was for us to go out,
27:35for a ton to go out and meet folk.
27:37Well,
27:37my name wasn't mentioned in these.
27:39Aye,
27:39it was.
27:40I read all the texies,
27:41my name wasn't mentioned in them.
27:42Aye,
27:43it was.
27:43Not,
27:43wasn't it?
27:44Aye,
27:44why'd you get him arrested,
27:45love?
27:46What?
27:46Why did you get him arrested?
27:48This was through the drinking arguments,
27:50there was loads of arguments through a drink,
27:52we've had loads of hard times.
27:53Not because you wanted to have sex
27:55with somebody else?
27:56We've been trying to work everything out,
27:58like,
27:58go on all other things.
27:59We're trying to get everything
28:00back into place.
28:02I just want to know the truth.
28:03I've not done nothing.
28:05Aye.
28:05This is your last chance
28:07to tell me the truth.
28:08I have not done nothing.
28:10I'm killing me.
28:11Tell him what it's doing to you,
28:12sweetheart.
28:12It's killing me.
28:13I love you to bits.
28:15It's killing you?
28:16I'm not the one going to stay
28:17with all her lashes,
28:18am I?
28:19You tried getting me nicked
28:20for nothing.
28:21No, I didn't.
28:22There was somebody at the door,
28:23they didn't even lift you.
28:24They asked you if you had beaten my door.
28:27I know.
28:28You were across the road.
28:30Aye.
28:30I knew where you were,
28:31so what did I go to your door for?
28:32You told my team
28:33I can't take any more
28:34of these accusations.
28:35It was him.
28:35This is brilliant.
28:36I say brilliant.
28:37He's the one that kissed somebody else
28:38six years ago,
28:39I forgave him,
28:40and he's got a guilty conscience.
28:41Is that true?
28:42I told her right away.
28:43What is it?
28:44Hold on a minute.
28:45That's not what you were just saying.
28:46Well, I told her right away.
28:48Maybe that's because
28:49you have got a guilty conscience,
28:50but in your mind,
28:50you think,
28:51well, she forgave me.
28:52What if she did the same thing?
28:53I'd have to do the same,
28:53which is why you're paranoid.
28:54No.
28:55Maybe the drink.
28:55Maybe coming off the drink
28:57and having that clarity
28:59for the first time.
28:59I'm not free drinking.
29:00The drink's no problem.
29:00Maybe you've got a clear mind,
29:02and maybe it's warped your mind,
29:03and maybe you're being unfair
29:04to this lady.
29:05Well, it's her
29:06meeting with another guy.
29:08How sure are you
29:09that you're going to pass?
29:10Aye.
29:11100%.
29:11Aye.
29:12He says if he doesn't,
29:13you're gone, right?
29:14I'm gone.
29:15Even a kiss.
29:16I know this.
29:17You do sound a bit paranoid,
29:18don't you?
29:19I sound paranoid.
29:20She lies, mate.
29:21There was a night
29:22she was at my brother's house.
29:24Do you not think
29:24what I just said is relevant,
29:25that actually it might have
29:26pickled your brain a little bit,
29:27all those years of drinking?
29:28Aye, maybe, aye.
29:30But then you have to ask yourself,
29:32am I now with clarity pushing...
29:34I'm trying.
29:35There was a night day
29:37she was with my brother.
29:38Her sister,
29:40his girlfriend,
29:41I couldn't be bothered with them all.
29:43I went home to my bed.
29:45She made up
29:46that I was in bed
29:48with another woman
29:49in the house.
29:50What's she lying about that for?
29:51All I'm trying to say to you is
29:52I'm worried that
29:53because you're not drinking anymore
29:55and you can see things differently,
29:56I could be totally wrong,
29:58that you are pushing away
29:59the best thing
30:00that ever happened to you.
30:01That's all I'm saying.
30:02That's all I'm wondering, okay?
30:03Are you going to pass?
30:05Aye.
30:05Let's do this all-important
30:06lie detector result
30:07as ever,
30:07the questions that were asked
30:08of Mary,
30:09the answers that she gave
30:10and whether indeed
30:11she was telling the truth or not.
30:12You're convinced, aren't you, really?
30:13Aye, I am.
30:14His bags are packed.
30:15I know they are.
30:16We asked Mary
30:17since the start of your relationship
30:18with Alex
30:18have you passionately kissed anyone else?
30:20She said no.
30:21Why'd you say no?
30:22Because we're selling the truth.
30:23Sorry, pal, you were right.
30:24This test says you're a liar.
30:28Oi, oi.
30:30There's more, Alex.
30:32I'm honest.
30:34Since the start of your relationship
30:35with Alex
30:35have you had sexual contact
30:36with any other person?
30:37You said no.
30:38This test says you were lying
30:38on that question as well.
30:41No, I've not done nothing.
30:42Tears have dried, haven't they?
30:43I have not done nothing.
30:45You knew it.
30:46I knew it.
30:46Bring me all this, why?
30:47Why didn't you not just tell me
30:49when I asked you?
30:50I've not done nothing.
30:50Now, see, this is how I told you.
30:52I couldn't live with the guilt.
30:54But, Alex,
30:54I haven't done nothing.
30:55Since the start of your relationship
30:57with Alex,
30:57have you had sexual intercourse
30:58with any other man?
30:59You said no.
31:00This test says you lied
31:01on every single...
31:02I've not done nothing.
31:03I haven't.
31:04I've not done nothing.
31:05You've stopped crying, though,
31:06haven't you?
31:07Because I...
31:07Go and tell him the truth
31:08and stop even beginning
31:10to try and lie to me.
31:13Jeez.
31:14You know what?
31:16Strangely,
31:17maybe if you told him the truth,
31:18there's no doubt
31:19the bloke adores you.
31:20Come with me.
31:20I've not done nothing.
31:22He loves you, doesn't he?
31:24He's slightly humiliated
31:25and he doesn't deserve
31:26the fact that you've lied.
31:27Alex,
31:28you tell me who?
31:28First of all,
31:29I want to apologise to you
31:31because...
31:32What one was it?
31:33I'm not lying.
31:34Sorry, Jenny.
31:35What one was it?
31:35I swear to God.
31:37What one was it?
31:38I swear to God.
31:39What one was it?
31:40Look,
31:40we watch this all the time.
31:42I know.
31:42When people are lying,
31:43we both say
31:44they must be lying.
31:47You know you're lying
31:48and you know I know
31:49What one was it?
31:51There is something
31:52that happened
31:52because you have gone
31:53from being an upset woman.
31:55Be quiet.
31:56You've changed your whole mind.
31:58I want the truth
31:59and he deserves it.
32:00You calm down.
32:01Get here.
32:02Listen to me.
32:04Tell him.
32:05What one was it?
32:06I don't have been with anybody.
32:09Calm.
32:09Who was it?
32:10Who was it?
32:11I've not been with anybody.
32:13Really?
32:13Who was it?
32:14I don't know.
32:14I told you this
32:16and when it comes back
32:16you're lying
32:17I don't know who it was.
32:18Who was it?
32:19Really?
32:19I'm telling the truth.
32:21I swear
32:21I cannot be for anybody.
32:24I can see something else here.
32:26Come with me.
32:27You, watch him.
32:29Graham, you stay with him, please.
32:31You know what?
32:32Listen to me.
32:33Listen to me.
32:36I don't care if you leave here
32:38hating my guts
32:39but I'm going to tell you something.
32:40I know that something happened.
32:42Now, you've spent nine years
32:43nursing a raging alcoholic
32:45and putting up with an awful lot.
32:46this does not condone
32:47what happened
32:48but let me explain this to you.
32:49He loves you
32:50which is why he's angry.
32:51And I'm off at him.
32:52And strangely,
32:53I think,
32:53because of what you've put up with
32:54if you actually were honest enough
32:56to admit to him
32:56you could make a difference.
32:58I know by your face
32:59I'm not trying to judge you.
33:00Things happen.
33:01But you know something happened
33:02and so do I.
33:03Go and tell him the truth.
33:06But I haven't done nothing
33:08I swear to God
33:09I swear to God
33:10Tell me.
33:11I swear to God
33:12I haven't done nothing.
33:14Something happened.
33:15I've not done nothing.
33:17I've been with him the whole day.
33:19Who was it?
33:19You weren't with him.
33:20It doesn't matter.
33:21Did you kiss somebody?
33:22What happened?
33:23No.
33:24He's the only one that I've been with.
33:26I honestly haven't been with Eddie Dale.
33:27The situation, as you tell the truth
33:28is to stand absolutely full square
33:30behind the lie detector test
33:31and I know by looking in your eyes
33:32because I've got no skill, mate.
33:33I'm 50 next year
33:34but I'm telling him
33:34look in your eyes
33:35I know you're lying.
33:36Go and tell him the truth.
33:39Last chance.
33:40Otherwise you're going to blow it forever.
33:41Go and tell him the truth.
33:46Calmly.
33:47There's no point.
33:47Tell me.
33:49There's no point.
33:50Tell me.
33:50There's no point lying anymore.
33:51Tell me.
33:52I don't know who it's supposed to have been.
33:53I don't know.
33:55You don't drink.
33:56You don't take drugs.
33:57I know exactly.
33:59So how?
34:00So how you forgot?
34:01But I haven't been with anybody.
34:03That's what I'm trying to say.
34:04I don't know.
34:06Why'd you fail the test then?
34:08Exactly.
34:08I don't know.
34:09Because you're lying.
34:11Mary, tell me the truth.
34:12I am telling you the truth.
34:14I'm gone anyway
34:14so you better tell me the truth.
34:16I really don't know.
34:17Oh, Mary, get up.
34:18I swear to God
34:19I don't know who I'm supposed to have been with.
34:22Oh, shush.
34:22You know.
34:23No, I don't.
34:24I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
34:25I'll tell you what I'm going to do
34:26if it's all right, okay.
34:26I want you to calm down
34:27I want you to stay with both of them.
34:28You've got 15 minutes
34:29until the end of the show.
34:30We will meet at the end.
34:31If there's any part of you
34:33that wants to save this
34:33you need to tell the truth, okay.
34:35Give them a round of applause
34:36those gentlemen.
34:38We will see her
34:39at the end of the show now
34:40for an instant update
34:41on today's guest.
34:42You can join us on Twitter
34:43but moving on
34:43our next guest today
34:44Megan is here
34:45for a DNA test
34:46on her baby girl
34:47and this lady is praying
34:48her partner Callum
34:49is the dad.
34:49This lady is so desperate
34:51to get the results.
34:51Check this.
34:52I've done this for nine years.
34:53Never heard of this.
34:54She insisted
34:55to come here today
34:57despite giving birth
34:58check this
34:59just three days ago.
35:02Megan's on the
35:02Jeremy Kyle show.
35:14You look amazing.
35:15You gave birth three days ago.
35:17Gee, that's a round of applause
35:18in itself.
35:22I need to do this
35:23for reasons that are
35:24important to me.
35:26What did this show say to you
35:27when you rang up?
35:28We said this is too soon, right?
35:30Yeah.
35:30And she quoted me
35:32and went,
35:33yeah, but you always say
35:34that it's important
35:35that we find out the truth
35:36so a man doesn't bond
35:37with a baby
35:37but I don't think
35:38in nine years
35:39anybody's ever come
35:40after three days.
35:42But you absolutely
35:43want to do this.
35:45Darling,
35:46you and Callum,
35:47can I just hear about this
35:48because there is
35:50obviously the need
35:51for Lily to discover
35:52who her father is
35:53and we obviously
35:53would love you
35:54to get the result
35:54you wanted
35:55but can you just
35:56explain to me
35:56a bit of back story
35:58why we're here?
35:59We got together
35:59in April
36:01and then we broke up
36:03because he moved away
36:04so we went together
36:06and I met somebody else
36:08but it was just a fling
36:11and then Callum
36:13come back
36:13but I can't see
36:14from her at the same time
36:16so...
36:16There is an overlap
36:18and you say
36:19you've always been honest
36:21with Callum about this
36:22but you need this result
36:24because I mean he's
36:25the thing is
36:26and I hate doing this
36:27because I obviously
36:27want you to have
36:28a great result
36:28but I have to point out
36:29what might happen
36:30on the flip side.
36:32He's saying
36:33I can say I love her
36:34and I can say
36:35it'll be fine
36:36but if he's not
36:37the father
36:38he's not going to know
36:39how he's going to feel.
36:40What would it mean
36:41if he was Lily's father?
36:45Are you OK?
36:46What if he's not, sweetheart?
36:48He'll break my...
36:53How much does he mean to you?
36:54A lot.
36:57Are you scared
36:57that he would go if...
36:59I know he would.
37:01You know he'd go?
37:04Has he ever told you that?
37:05I don't know.
37:06What?
37:08Is it literally 50-50?
37:10You're very honest.
37:11I'm not having a go at you at all.
37:12Yeah.
37:13You OK?
37:14Should we get him out?
37:15Yeah.
37:17Do you know why she said to us
37:18she wanted to do this?
37:18She wants this man
37:19who she says
37:20will make a great dad
37:21to bond with her daughter instantly
37:22which is lovely.
37:22Callum's on the Jeremy Carl show.
37:24You OK?
37:33How are you, fella?
37:34Yeah.
37:35I can't believe
37:36that this lady is here.
37:37Both of you are here
37:38after this.
37:38You obviously love
37:39her enormously.
37:41Massively.
37:41Massively.
37:42Hugely.
37:44The thing that's good
37:45about this
37:46is that there's no duplicity.
37:47In fact,
37:47she said that
37:48I was with somebody else
37:49that had a little out.
37:50Yeah.
37:50What's it been like
37:51for you going through
37:52a pregnancy?
37:52I have to ask that,
37:53obviously.
37:54Not knowing the truth.
37:56Oh.
37:57It just killed me.
37:58Just, like,
37:58destroyed me, honestly.
37:59Really, yes.
38:00But she's been there for me,
38:01like, honestly.
38:02Is that why you wanted
38:02to come here so quickly?
38:03Yeah.
38:04It had to be done,
38:05like, it had to be done,
38:06like, really soon.
38:08Like, this is three days
38:09too late,
38:09if you're asking me.
38:11I like you both very much.
38:12I hope you get
38:13the answer you want.
38:14But I have to do this
38:14because that's the way
38:15the show has to be done.
38:17I think Megan,
38:18if she's honest,
38:19is terrified
38:19that if you're not
38:20the father of Lily,
38:21you're going to do one.
38:21No, I'm not going to...
38:22Talk to her.
38:23The only difference
38:24is it make
38:25is, like,
38:26she'll call me Callum
38:27and not Dad.
38:27That is the only difference
38:28it will make, honestly.
38:29Oh, oh, oh.
38:34She's so scary.
38:35She's scary.
38:38You don't blame her,
38:39do you?
38:39There's nothing...
38:40She hasn't been lying,
38:40you were a part.
38:41Let's just make that point.
38:43Yeah.
38:43You guarantee
38:44you'd stay with her.
38:44Were you at the birth?
38:45Yeah.
38:48I hate having to ask
38:50certain things,
38:50but what's it like
38:51being at the birth
38:52and this child...
38:52I've been there four times
38:53and the child comes out
38:54and you don't actually
38:55know if that child's you.
38:56Let me explain, mate.
38:56Like, anyone who's had kids
38:58will know it's like
38:58it's indescribable,
38:59it's totally indescribable,
39:01but within minutes
39:02it was as if someone
39:03just, like,
39:04put a box over the love
39:05and said,
39:05you're not allowed it.
39:06You know what I mean?
39:08It's really not.
39:11Oh.
39:16Um,
39:17I hope that whatever
39:18the result,
39:18and I hope you get
39:19the result you want,
39:19I hope that whatever
39:20the result is that
39:21you mean what you say
39:22because you're a nice couple.
39:23Um,
39:24you need to wait
39:25three minutes
39:25to do the results
39:26after this break.
39:27We're right back.
39:29The DNA test result
39:30show the canon.
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40:13Thank you all.
40:14Welcome back
40:15before that break
40:15talking to Megan
40:16and Callum.
40:16Um,
40:17there isn't
40:18anything other
40:19than beautiful,
40:19beautiful,
40:20beautiful girl.
40:21Hope you get
40:22the result you want
40:23but I think
40:24you have to remember,
40:25Will,
40:25I think you have to remember
40:26in all of this,
40:27you got each other,
40:28you're a nice young couple.
40:29I only read it out.
40:30You okay, buddy?
40:31Terrified.
40:48The DNA test resort
40:50showed that Callum
40:54you're not a child's brother.
40:58I'm sorry,
40:59I'm sorry.
41:02Don't leave her, mate.
41:03Mate, don't.
41:04Oh, God.
41:05Can you just get,
41:07Graham,
41:07can you get her,
41:08please?
41:11Mate,
41:12I know.
41:12Listen,
41:13listen,
41:13but you can't leave her
41:14because you've left
41:15the stage with her
41:16and that's immediately
41:16what you said
41:17you wouldn't do
41:18and she thinks
41:18you've run away.
41:19I haven't.
41:20Please,
41:20I know you're really
41:21miserable,
41:21but please come to her
41:23straight away
41:23because this is reinforcing.
41:25Just come on me this way
41:25because this,
41:27you,
41:27this is,
41:28is it this way?
41:29This immediately,
41:30listen to me,
41:31she's proper
41:31and you're proper
41:32and you're nice
41:33and I don't want to,
41:34there is,
41:35wait,
41:35can you get her,
41:35please?
41:36You will always,
41:38always,
41:38look at me,
41:39it's easy to make a baby,
41:40right?
41:41You're a good man
41:42and she loves you
41:42and she does not need you
41:44to run away
41:44because look at me,
41:45that's what she thinks
41:46you're going to do,
41:47okay?
41:48Come with me,
41:48come.
41:49Come here.
41:50Please,
41:51just go and get the lady
41:52for me,
41:52go on.
41:55Come on,
41:55I'm so sorry.
42:10I'm so sorry.
42:21can I go on?
42:22I want to say something to you.
42:25I know that people
42:26that watch this
42:27sometimes think I'm harsh.
42:28I really like you two
42:30and I would really,
42:31really,
42:31more than anything today
42:32have liked you to
42:33have got the result
42:34but let me tell you,
42:34there's plenty of men out there
42:35who make a kid
42:36who aren't a tenth of you
42:37and she's all right as well
42:39and do not,
42:41please,
42:41listen,
42:42don't mess this relationship up
42:44because I know
42:44how you're going to feel.
42:46I'm not going,
42:47she knows,
42:47I promise,
42:48I promise,
42:49I promise.
42:56I'm sorry.
42:57I promise you.
42:59Listen,
43:00listen,
43:01you're lucky to have him,
43:02you're lucky to have her
43:03and that baby.
43:05Graham,
43:05just very quickly,
43:06relationships,
43:07you need to say this to me,
43:08can survive,
43:09can't they?
43:10It's not about titles,
43:11it's not about mum,
43:12it's not about dad,
43:13it's about how good a parent
43:15you can be.
43:16That's genuinely the truth.
43:18It's all about being a parent.
43:20And I know you can do this.
43:21She was born a princess,
43:23mate,
43:23and she'll die an angel,
43:24that's a fact.
43:24Aw.
43:26I promise.
43:27Proper you are.
43:28I'm going to leave you with Graham,
43:29I want to give you as much support
43:30as I can,
43:30I'm sorry.
43:31I'm not genuinely,
43:32but you'll be all right,
43:33yeah?
43:34Just give them a round of applause,
43:35Graham is all right.
43:42You know,
43:43just an afterthought
43:43about that couple,
43:44nice couple,
43:45she didn't lie,
43:46she had sex
43:48with somebody else
43:49when they were on a break,
43:51desperately,
43:51desperately wanted that child
43:52to be theirs,
43:53they come here after three days,
43:54I hope to goodness
43:55with our help
43:56and their strength
43:57they can make it work
43:57because they can be a good couple
43:59and they can be good parents,
44:00we'll certainly support them
44:01and keep you updated.
44:02Now,
44:03before the end of the show,
44:04you'll remember Mary,
44:05she failed the lie,
44:05Detective Alex said we're done,
44:07tell me who it is,
44:07I said to her,
44:08I'll be back
44:08before the end of the show,
44:10admit it,
44:11something went on,
44:12let's see if we can find
44:13some answer here,
44:16said I'd be back Mary,
44:18what's the story?
44:19I've been hinting,
44:20I really don't know
44:22who it could have been
44:23or when it could have been,
44:25I've been hinting,
44:26I'm being straight,
44:27I really don't know.
44:29Darlene,
44:29look,
44:30it's not,
44:30I only want people
44:32to say what they want to say,
44:34I know you failed it,
44:35the examiner knows you failed it,
44:37this guy,
44:37Alec,
44:37is somewhere in this building
44:38devastated,
44:39right?
44:40You've been together
44:40for nine years
44:41and interestingly,
44:42and I support you on this,
44:43you've stood by him
44:45through absolute hell,
44:47this guy was a raging alcoholic
44:49and there's a lot of people
44:50that would have done one
44:50and I sort of think,
44:52I'm only trying to help,
44:53that that gives you
44:54some sort of credit really,
44:56I'm not saying that it's right
44:57what happened,
44:58but something undoubtedly did,
44:59you know and I know,
45:00that's fine,
45:00it'll come out in the long run,
45:02but...
45:02I'm being serious,
45:03I thought I'd kind of thinking of him.
45:06Well,
45:07um,
45:09shall we try and find him,
45:11do you want to try and talk to him,
45:13yes?
45:13Come on,
45:14come with me,
45:14let's just try and do this
45:15before the end of the show.
45:16Can somebody tell me where he is,
45:18which way?
45:18Is he this way?
45:19Okay.
45:20You know,
45:21nine years is a long time
45:22to stand by somebody.
45:25You could have done this
45:26a long, long time ago.
45:27Maybe it happened
45:28a long, long time ago.
45:29Maybe,
45:29I don't know,
45:30I just,
45:31if you're going to wipe
45:32the slate clean,
45:33do you understand
45:33what I'm saying?
45:35Right,
45:36let's see where he is.
45:36Are you all right?
45:37He's here.
45:39Just calm.
45:40Alec.
45:42You better tell me.
45:43I really don't know
45:44how I've been locked.
45:45Mary,
45:45you don't drink.
45:47You don't do anything.
45:48So how can you forget?
45:49Can I ask you a question?
45:51Knowing what this lady's done
45:52for you for nine years
45:53and how awful you've been,
45:54I'm being completely honest.
45:55I know what I was
45:56when I met her.
45:57No, no, no, no,
45:57but I'm just saying,
45:59if she told you
46:00because
46:02she's put up
46:03with quite a lot,
46:03Alec,
46:03with respect,
46:04would you be able
46:05to move on
46:05from this or not?
46:07If she told me,
46:07maybe.
46:09That's what I'm saying.
46:10Oh,
46:10I swear to God,
46:11I got a hard foot.
46:12I can't think of nothing.
46:14You don't drink,
46:14you don't do nothing,
46:15so how can you forget?
46:16I don't know nothing.
46:17You're not telling me the truth.
46:19You're still not telling me the truth.
46:20Okay, listen,
46:21the one thing
46:22that this show will always do,
46:23Graham and his team
46:24not only provide support
46:26before,
46:26during,
46:27but certainly after,
46:28we will do that
46:29for both of you.
46:31People come to this show
46:32and they ask for the truth
46:33and
46:34the most important thing
46:35is that
46:36people deal with it.
46:38Is this relationship
46:38over in your mind?
46:39Aye, aye.
46:40She does.
46:40She's not done
46:41in the truth,
46:42is she?
46:44One more chance.
46:45She's really good.
46:46I don't know
46:47why could I pass.
46:48You've been in that,
46:49guys,
46:49she's staying all night with him.
46:51I don't know if you know I was.
46:52Staying with another man
46:53all night is suspicious.
46:55I'm not going to get embroiled.
46:55I'm trying to get me away.
46:56I get it.
46:57I'm not going to get embroiled
46:59in an argument.
46:59Graham will support you,
47:01but you need to tell him
47:02the truth.
47:03That is the most important thing.
47:04I could say something
47:05that's a disgrace,
47:06but I'm not going to do it.
47:07Do you want to sit
47:07and talk with Graham
47:08or walk?
47:09Do you want to sit
47:09and talk with Graham?
47:10I'll talk to him.
47:10All right, okay,
47:11listen,
47:12seriously,
47:13can I just say this?
47:14Shake my hand.
47:14You ain't got much time,
47:15love, okay?
47:16You need
47:17to get this sorted.
47:19I'll leave you with Graham.
47:19Give him a round of applause.
47:24That's what I always say
47:25about people.
47:26They come here,
47:26they want the truth.
47:27Some react positively,
47:28some don't.
47:29We'll support them both.
47:30They can work it out.
47:31That's the most important thing.
47:32I am, though,
47:33for this morning at a time.
47:34Don't forget,
47:34as ever,
47:34my friends,
47:35if you want to be on the show,
47:36you need my help,
47:36you can visit our website.
47:37The details are on screen now.
47:38To my guests,
47:39to the audience,
47:40and to you at home,
47:40thanks for watching us.
47:41See you very soon.
47:42Take care.
47:42Bye-bye.
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