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00:00Foxy Lady. The Jeremy Cowell Show. Sponsored by FoxyBingo.com. The one that you want.
00:07On today's show, one man, four women, two DNA tests. The two women engaged to the same man at the same time.
00:16You are one. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar.
00:22You locked him in the flat. You was on the phone. Shut up. You asked me a question again.
00:27You were on the phone with me. This mother and her daughter. How many times did you sleep with him?
00:33When I was with you. Famous times. You were sleeping with your mother's fiancé.
00:38They were not together. You told me you slept with Mick while your mum was in bed.
00:45You see the dad to either of their children. Many times you've had a chance to come down and see your son.
00:49You told me that Ellie Mae were yours. No doubt. Yes, she was. No doubt.
00:53The DNA test results show that Mick, did he have sex with his cousin's wife?
00:59Why are you two here?
01:01Because I was accused of sleeping with Mick.
01:04I think it was three nights I spent in the cell.
01:07And that's when Mick did turn up to my house and tried to honour my wife, which I disagree.
01:11She's affecting me all the time.
01:12Everybody threatens everybody. Everybody lies to everybody.
01:15Yeah, everybody's having sex with everybody else.
01:17That's all on my show. It's next.
01:19That's all on my show.
01:49Good morning and as ever, a big, big welcome to a very special Jeremy Kyle show that will centre around today.
02:09One man, four women and two DNA tests.
02:12Now, you might just remember these guests from a previous encounter.
02:15Take a look at this.
02:16Has he cheated on you?
02:19Yeah, 14 times.
02:2314 times?
02:24Yes.
02:25People were filling something in your head saying the child didn't look like you.
02:28And this from a 38-year-old man who's had sex with 14 women in a year and a half.
02:33I don't know why she's anywhere near you in the first damn place.
02:35And he does treat her like, basically, I mean, she can't wear what she wants to wear.
02:44She can't wash her hair.
02:45He has to know who she's washing her hair for.
02:47She's not allowed to wash her hair?
02:49She's not going to get paranoid.
02:50She can't even wear thongs.
02:51She can't wear nothing.
02:52She can't wear what?
02:53Thongs.
02:53Thongs, like, she has to wear, like, proper knickers.
02:56Is it true that he tells people you're an unfit mother?
02:58Yeah.
02:59I neglect my soul and, uh, I leave, I leave, she did, you told them to.
03:05I'm not saying their names.
03:07I'm going to tell you this here and now, right?
03:08The results aren't going to make any difference to this relationship.
03:11You want to take three minutes and a long, hard look.
03:12Because you know what I'm suggesting?
03:14I would go and live with your sister and I'd bring up your kid and I'd live your life as you want,
03:17which is wear whatever you want to whatever party.
03:19Do your hair how you want.
03:20Have a look in the mirror and work out that that, right,
03:23you'd be better in solitary confinement than spending your life with her.
03:28Now, after the show, Nicky took my advice and ended her relationship with Mick,
03:31but she's back today to confront him and his ex-fiancee, check this,
03:35who was engaged to Mick whilst he was in a relationship with Nicky.
03:39Let's unravel this story.
03:40Nicky's back on the show, my friends.
03:44You look different to me.
03:53Hair is done, you look confident.
03:56Now, Anne is Mick's ex.
04:00There seems to be a lot of argument and rancor between him and you,
04:04but also between her and her daughter, Steph, and you.
04:07Let's start with you and him.
04:10How did he take the decision for you to finish it?
04:13Oh, he didn't like it.
04:15He kept, like, begging me to take him back.
04:17He went to my sister's and started crying to her, saying,
04:19oh, he loves me, he's going to change and everything.
04:21Do you think that's why he's back today?
04:23Do you think that today is about him trying to prove his love to you on the show?
04:26I hope not.
04:26No?
04:27I don't want to.
04:28You've moved on.
04:29Yeah.
04:29Yeah, but the most important thing, and I think this is relevant,
04:31whatever hassle you feel he might or has given you,
04:34he is the father to your child.
04:36Now, what sort of father has he been?
04:38He hasn't seen him for eight weeks and two days a day.
04:41I saw him with his husband.
04:42He hasn't bothered once.
04:44So we prove on the last show that he's the dad,
04:46and he hasn't bothered with his kid?
04:47No, my friend's been more of a dad to muscle than he has.
04:50He hasn't bothered at all?
04:50No.
04:51Well, what does that tell you about the bloke?
04:52I told you last time.
04:53He's a...
04:54Oh, it's a...
04:55It's a f***ing dad.
04:56Let's talk about Anne,
04:57because we need to get everybody involved in this story.
05:00Anne is his ex.
05:02Yeah.
05:03Do you believe they were still together or seeing each other
05:06or engaged or whatever whilst you were with him?
05:09I think there was, yeah.
05:10Because Anne...
05:12Well, the one day I went out with Mick,
05:14and Anne come down to Christine's,
05:16and she's come down to Ellie Mice,
05:18and it was the first time my Ellie Mice was,
05:19and she was engaged to not show me the ring and everything.
05:22Who was?
05:23Anne, she was engaged to not show me the ring
05:24while I was with Mick at the same time.
05:25Right, let's just take this bit by bit.
05:27At a point when you were with him,
05:29were you engaged to him?
05:30I can't remember.
05:31I'm not sure.
05:32You can't remember whether you were engaged or something.
05:34I can't remember.
05:34It was, um...
05:36I can't remember if I was or not.
05:38It's a slightly strange admission,
05:39but we'll go with that.
05:40Whilst you were with Mick,
05:42you remember one day seeing his ex-Anne,
05:44who came in and flaunted the fact
05:45that she had an engagement ring
05:46with the bloke that you were going out with.
05:47That would have caused quite an argument,
05:49where I come from.
05:49Me and Anne wasn't arguing, like...
05:52Like, Mick stormed out.
05:53She was crying in there,
05:54but me and Anne didn't argue that day.
05:55Because, obviously, I didn't know and she didn't know.
05:58Well, as far as not, she didn't know.
05:59For your information,
06:00Anne sat backstage in that pod,
06:02and she's just still wearing that engagement ring,
06:03and it's just shown it to the camera.
06:07There's a DNA being done today on Mick's ex-Anne.
06:10They don't seem to have a problem.
06:11You have doubts that that kid would be Mick,
06:13obviously.
06:13Yeah.
06:13Yeah.
06:14I know she is.
06:16I don't care what Mick says either.
06:17I know...
06:17Oh, so he doubts he's the father to that one as well?
06:20Yeah.
06:21I don't know why.
06:22When I had the DNA for, obviously,
06:23Morrison, that's when, obviously,
06:25look, he started saying she wore his...
06:27You bring him here and you prove that he's the dad.
06:29He doesn't do anything from what you say.
06:31She seems to still have a gripe with you.
06:33She's going,
06:33oh, I've got my engagement ring on,
06:34to a bloke who's about to publicly admit
06:37for the second time on this show
06:38that he doesn't think the kid is his.
06:40So are they still close,
06:41are you now?
06:42I don't know.
06:44Mick and Anne?
06:45Yeah.
06:45I don't know.
06:46Let's just add into the equation
06:47so that everybody here in our home
06:49gets this this morning.
06:50Let's add in Steph, Anne's daughter.
06:52There are rumours, are there not,
06:54that something happened between Mick and her daughter.
06:56Oh, yeah.
06:58And we're doing a DNA test on our kid today
07:00because there's a chance
07:01that he might be the father of that one.
07:03And I'm going to add Anne on the show
07:05that way, ladies and gentlemen.
07:10You're a liar.
07:14You're a liar.
07:16You're a liar.
07:16You are, Mickie.
07:18Sit down.
07:19You chaff.
07:20I'm going to stop.
07:21Look at you.
07:26Sorry.
07:27Welcome to the show.
07:28You're going to have to help me out a bit here.
07:30Why is she a liar?
07:31Well, what she said on the last show,
07:33right, she went into tears
07:34over nothing
07:36and all of a sudden
07:36they just stopped just like that.
07:38Hold on a second.
07:38On the last show,
07:39she gave the impression that Mick...
07:40That it was all Mick's fault.
07:41That Mick controlled her.
07:42Right, Mick's never done this.
07:43Mick's never done that.
07:45Mick's got up early
07:45out of the morning to that child.
07:47He's never stopped her wearing thongs.
07:49He's never stopped her
07:50from washing her hair.
07:51Brilliant.
07:52She's one utter dirty person.
07:54Yeah, can I ask you a question?
07:55Can I ask you a question?
07:56Because I'm a little bit confused, right?
07:58Are you with Mick?
08:00No.
08:00Why are you wearing an engagement ring?
08:02Because he put it on there
08:03on New Year's Eve
08:04and I've never took it off.
08:06So are you still in love with Mick?
08:08No.
08:08Were you engaged to Mick
08:09whilst he was with her?
08:10Yes.
08:11What?
08:11Yes.
08:13You're a 42-year-old woman.
08:14What's wrong with you?
08:15Clever man.
08:19He was sleeping with Nicky
08:21behind my back.
08:22Ah.
08:22His eyes are empty, man.
08:23So why are you still wearing his ring?
08:25Why don't you hate him?
08:26Why have I got to hate him?
08:27He's my babby's dad.
08:29But he doesn't believe that.
08:31I've done a day now.
08:32We'll soon prove it then.
08:33Why aren't we two hours?
08:33Do you still want to be with him?
08:34No.
08:34Does he want to be with you?
08:36Ask him.
08:37So you blame her for what?
08:39She's lying.
08:40Locking him in the flat.
08:41Smashing his car up.
08:43Do you think if it wasn't for her
08:44that you and he might be together?
08:46Quite possibly, yeah.
08:47Despite the fact that he had unprotected sex
08:50with another woman whilst he was engaged to you,
08:52do you not think that he's the rat
08:54or have I missed the point here?
08:56Ask him.
08:57He'll tell you.
08:58I will.
08:59So you have gripe with her, yeah?
09:01Would you call her a love rival?
09:03Nicky, get out here.
09:04We're doing this show and we're doing it now.
09:05She runs.
09:06That's her problem.
09:06She runs.
09:07Why does she run?
09:08That's what she does.
09:10She'll sit there and make herself cry as well.
09:12I can't work out what you're here for.
09:16What I'm here for.
09:17It's true that Ellie Mae is mixed
09:19and the rest of her family have turned around and said
09:22Ellie Mae is your...
09:23It's to prove that your daughter Ellie Mae is mixed,
09:26but it's not she says she thinks it is.
09:28It's Mick who's telling...
09:29It was you that was turning around
09:30telling everybody that Ellie...
09:32You was.
09:33Was that a big attack?
09:34You turned around and said to everybody, right?
09:38Yeah.
09:38One of your family members, right?
09:41You've even told Chris.
09:43Where's Chris going to happen?
09:45Where's Chris?
09:45You've even told Chris.
09:46Can I help you?
09:48You are hard now.
09:49I need it.
09:50Anne, would it be fair to say to make this clear
09:52that Mick has doubts because of what you believe she's been saying?
09:55Is that the right...
09:55No, I watched the show when she was on.
09:57Yeah.
09:58You made it.
09:59You was a sweet and innocent one.
10:01You wasn't.
10:02What did you do to his car?
10:04I pulled him.
10:04You locked him in the floor.
10:05I pulled him.
10:06You was on the floor.
10:07Shut up.
10:07You asked me a question again.
10:09You was on the floor today.
10:10I pulled the wires.
10:11It was AIDS and for cats.
10:12At least I just caught up with s**t.
10:14Sorry.
10:15You was on the phone to the police.
10:19After Mick's car keys.
10:20Yeah.
10:21And you blamed me.
10:22You blamed me.
10:23You told me to do it.
10:24You told me to do it.
10:25You told me to do it.
10:25You told me to do it.
10:26You told me to do it.
10:26You told me to do it.
10:27Yeah.
10:28And who was he that rung you at my house?
10:30Your daughter is how old?
10:32Stephanie.
10:33Yeah.
10:3421.
10:35Allegedly, he slept with her as well.
10:37Yeah.
10:38Under the side.
10:38Bad mistake.
10:39Under the side.
10:40Bad mistake!
10:41Bad regretty.
10:42Well, we're doing a DNA.
10:44Just, just...
10:44But I wasn't with me then.
10:46Oh, right.
10:46Okay.
10:46Where was he?
10:47Shopping?
10:47Listen.
10:48We've done the DNA today on Stephanie's babies and yours.
10:52There is a possibility that the man who you are blindly defending not only had a kid
10:57with her, but with you and your daughter.
10:59Now, as a mother, how did you feel when you found out that your on-off fiancé, boyfriend,
11:04love, whatever, had actually had sex with your daughter?
11:07I told him to pack his clothes.
11:09Get out.
11:10Why are you wearing his engagement ring?
11:13Answer this first one first.
11:15I told him to get out and Stephanie, I told her not to bother coming knocking my door.
11:19Then why is it her fault when it's him who seems to be putting it around with everybody
11:23else?
11:23That's my argument.
11:24Why is it her fault?
11:25You're painting this...
11:26Because she's the biggest lawyer, yeah?
11:28Oh, I was just calling you a hand.
11:29You just told him your daughter slept with your boyfriend.
11:31Is that not worrying you?
11:32I wasn't with him.
11:33That's sick.
11:34I wasn't with him.
11:35What does that make your two kids, if he is the dad today, I spent all morning trying
11:38to work it out.
11:39Half-brother and sister, second cousins, what?
11:43Seriously.
11:43Do you not think he's the person that's responsible for all of this?
11:47I know it is as well.
11:48Because both of them have lied.
11:51What, and your daughter hasn't?
11:52Your boyfriend haven't?
11:53You haven't?
11:53You've all lied.
11:53She knows better to lie to me.
11:55Obviously.
11:56She must have been lying to you when she was having sex with your boyfriend.
11:59Right, don't go anywhere, because this moment I can't wait for.
12:01Next, on this stage, a man who women obviously fall at their feet for.
12:05Mick is going to be here.
12:06What's he going to say?
12:07I'm right back.
12:09I'll get out.
12:10Man, I'll sit down when I'm good and ready.
12:15Sit down.
12:16Ah!
12:16Welcome back to the proper break.
12:28I was speaking to Nikki and Anne, who it seems were engaged to the same bloke at the same
12:33time.
12:34You were engaged to Mick, whilst Mick was playing around with her, but you're not sure
12:38if you were engaged to Mick.
12:39I can't remember.
12:42She didn't think you were a very good mum.
12:43She accused you of hitting your daughter, is that right?
12:46Did I?
12:47Mick told me, and you smack her and pull her head.
12:48Well, we'll ask Mick then when he calls her head.
12:49You can't, and if you're lawyers, watch, I swear to God.
12:51You say that Mick's doubts about whether Ellie Mae, your daughter, is yours come down to the
12:57stuff that Nikki has been spreading, presumably because she's jealous, yeah?
13:00Yeah, because I've got the girl.
13:03I've got Mick's first girl.
13:04It doesn't bother me.
13:05I love my son to bits.
13:06I won't change her for the world.
13:08Is that what Mick always wanted, a girl?
13:10Yeah.
13:10Did he know he had a girl?
13:11But presumably by the time he slept with your daughter, he still wasn't sure if your kid
13:15was his.
13:15So he was trying again, was he?
13:16Well, we'll find out today, won't we?
13:17What's your daughter got?
13:19A boy.
13:20Oh, so you're in the kingpin position because you've got the girl, yeah?
13:23What's this bloke got?
13:25Can somebody help me out here?
13:26What's he got?
13:27Kids, for a start-off.
13:29What?
13:29Kids.
13:30Do you want him back?
13:31He does.
13:33Well, I don't know.
13:34I think he was the one that was texting him, throwing him the allegations, oh, you can't
13:38see Kai, you'll never see Kai.
13:39I don't think so, and I don't think so.
13:41I've asked him how many times to come and see my son.
13:43But why aren't they coming to see, Mick?
13:44One, he's either going to get bet up by so-called friends of yours.
13:49No.
13:49Good one.
13:49Yeah.
13:50Yeah.
13:50I don't think so.
13:51Get it wise.
13:51I don't think so.
13:52What do you want from Mick?
13:53Do you want him back?
13:54No.
13:54Why are you...
13:55Oh, God.
13:56You just want him to be a dad?
13:57Yeah.
13:58And you're not bothered that he slept with your daughter?
14:00No.
14:01As long as he's there for his daughter, I really...
14:03Right.
14:07I've met some people, but you are quite, quite different.
14:09Oh, yeah.
14:10You're all right for your ex to sleep with your daughter and have a kid.
14:13Get on with it.
14:13We weren't together.
14:17It's interesting, actually, because Stephanie, your daughter, claims that they have not slept together.
14:22He is not the dad, and that's more rumours that this lady spread.
14:25What do you want today from Mick?
14:26To leave me and my son alone.
14:28So I'll stop texting him, then?
14:29I'll text him and you can check my phone.
14:32So you don't want him to have access?
14:34No.
14:34Here's the man who manages to pull every woman in his way.
14:37Mick's on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
14:38I am past trying to work out how many...
14:52Sit down when I'm good and ready. Sit down.
14:59I am past trying to work out how many...
15:06Were you engaged to her?
15:09I was engaged to her, yeah.
15:11Were you engaged to Nicky?
15:13Yeah.
15:13And were you engaged to Anne at the same time?
15:15Not at the same time, no.
15:17How did that work out then?
15:19Not at the same time, no.
15:20Anne says that you were sleeping with Nicky behind her back.
15:23In all her mind, it was an engagement, everything was fine,
15:25you were doing the dirty with Nicky.
15:27What's the truth?
15:28Truth about what? About me and Nicky?
15:30Were you engaged to her?
15:32Yeah, I was engaged to her.
15:33That child is yours.
15:34You haven't seen the child for eight months. Why?
15:36For eight months?
15:37Eight weeks.
15:37Eight weeks?
15:38Because, like, she stops me from seeing him.
15:39I've texted her every day, right?
15:41Yes?
15:41No.
15:42But she always sets me up.
15:43She used to beat me up, right?
15:44She used to what?
15:45Beat me up.
15:46Attack me in every place.
15:47You know what we used to beat him up?
15:49Hold on, I used to put you in the face all the time, Nicky.
15:51I didn't punch me in the face.
15:52Hold on, Nicky.
15:52You never used to put you in the face?
15:54When is the funny?
15:55Now, well, shut up.
15:56Shut up, now.
15:57Now, you used to put you in the face.
15:58Shut up, shut up.
15:59Shut up, shut up.
16:00Lock me in the face.
16:01Hold on.
16:01Make me quit my job.
16:02I took a chunk.
16:02Now, Nick.
16:03Do you know what?
16:03Just shoot me, mate.
16:04Now, I'll show my mouth.
16:04Chris, answer him, yeah.
16:05I took chunks in, okay, because I come back on the night.
16:07Come back.
16:08It's not stuck, really, okay?
16:09You come back the next day, yeah, obviously.
16:10You smell to Anne's washing.
16:12So, I knew you'd been there.
16:12You smell to Anne's washing?
16:14I'm washing on him.
16:15I text Anne.
16:16Thank God somebody did wash after the first show.
16:18You can't be in the face of me.
16:20What do you want me to do?
16:21So, I'm going to be happy about it.
16:22I don't think so.
16:22You'll be happy about it, wouldn't you?
16:23That's why, that's why, obviously, I took chunks in your neck.
16:25No, Nicky.
16:26Yes, it wasn't.
16:26I can swear my son's like a cat.
16:28Were you in a serious relationship with her?
16:30What?
16:31Yeah.
16:32Yeah?
16:32Were you with him in a, her in a serious relationship?
16:35Sorry about that.
16:36You think I'm kidding?
16:38Yeah, all right, love.
16:39It's fine.
16:40I'm having a bad.
16:41Were you with Anne at the same time you were with Nicky?
16:44Obviously, Anne, yeah.
16:46So, why were you cheating on them both?
16:50Yes!
16:50I don't know why.
16:51She's almost been screwed in the head.
16:53So, you were having unprotected sex with both Anne and Nicky?
16:55Yeah.
16:57You told us that she was violent to you.
16:59She was?
16:59Why'd you stay with her, then?
17:01Because I loved her.
17:02Huh?
17:02That's why.
17:03Then why were you sleeping with Anne?
17:06Because she was always there for me, right?
17:08She used to kick me out all the time, Mike.
17:10Why, Mick?
17:11What, what?
17:11What do you mean kick you out?
17:12Why me?
17:12No, I used to argue with her.
17:13Why me?
17:13I was always texting blokes all the time.
17:15Always on Facebook doing this.
17:16I'm not texting blokes.
17:17Whatever.
17:17I talked to my husband.
17:18In the name of God, you basically are saying that you've got two women on the go at this
17:21particular moment.
17:23You're having an argument with her.
17:24It's a bit of a volatile relationship.
17:25So, you run forwards and backwards to Anne because she's always there for you.
17:28Does that make you feel like a mug?
17:29It does, yeah.
17:30But where else is he going to go?
17:32Well, somewhere where he keeps it in his trousers and stops making women pregnant might be a
17:37good idea.
17:40Why wouldn't you go?
17:43I'm worth more than that.
17:44I'm not having him do this to me and go off and make a fool of me in front of her.
17:47Why do you blame her when it's him who keeps having sex with people?
17:50And let's add into the equation, you had sex with her daughter.
17:54Yeah.
17:55It was a mistake.
17:56So, you admit to that?
17:57Yeah.
17:57It was a mistake.
17:58How many times did you sleep, Miss Stephanie?
18:00A couple of times.
18:01So, it wasn't a mistake then because you did it twice?
18:04Yeah, but it was...
18:05Yeah, we could have seen it too because I was nobody then.
18:07Do you know what I mean?
18:08We are indeed...
18:09We know already that you're the father to Nicky's baby.
18:11Do you believe you're the father to Anne's baby?
18:12Yeah.
18:13Then why are there doubts in your mind?
18:14Because there are doubts.
18:15I know it's in my mind.
18:15I know Ellie's mind because it looks like me of a son.
18:17Shut up.
18:18You're telling me...
18:18No a day, Nick.
18:19You're telling me...
18:19No a day, Nick.
18:20You're telling me...
18:20Shut up.
18:21You're telling me that Ellie made one mind.
18:22No a day.
18:23Yeah, you did.
18:23Nick, Nick, Nick.
18:25No, Nick.
18:26You know for a fact you said...
18:27No, you told me...
18:28No, Nick.
18:28No, Nick.
18:29When we had a DNA and call you, you said I don't think Ellie's mind.
18:31No, Nick.
18:32No, you're getting it wrong, Nick, because you know for a fact.
18:34You know you are...
18:34So, basically, the only reason...
18:36I invite you...
18:37And you've got a tattoo of Nicky on your arm.
18:40I've got a tattoo of Paul trying to run my back as well.
18:42Fantastic.
18:43Do you know what I mean?
18:43Who's Leanne?
18:44My mate.
18:45Let's get Leanne on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
18:50Wait a minute, let Leanne speak.
19:00Welcome to the show.
19:00Hold on.
19:01He has texted her every day asking...
19:02You're Nicky's mate, yeah?
19:03Yeah.
19:03He has texted her asking to see Nicky...
19:05The baby.
19:06Yeah.
19:06We've said, yeah, come down.
19:07You can't be bothered to come down, but you can walk to Warsaw.
19:09I don't know, right?
19:10To walk to Warsaw?
19:11Because I have no choice to walk to Warsaw today.
19:12Because she had my...
19:13I've got my car, right?
19:15See you, son.
19:16I'd walk for my son.
19:17I'd walk for my house.
19:19From your house?
19:20Yeah, I would.
19:20Yeah.
19:21I would love to see Chloe, right?
19:23But I'd do this on their terms, right?
19:24Because, like, you know what I mean?
19:26I've asked to meet her and everything.
19:27So, if she knows...
19:27What are your terms in?
19:29You haven't seen...
19:30Do you know how many kids have you got me?
19:31Can any minute you say none?
19:32Any minute you say...
19:33Any minute you say...
19:34Oh, yeah.
19:34Sorry, but you say...
19:35Three of them.
19:36How many kids have you got?
19:37Five.
19:38Yeah, but we don't know about two of them today.
19:40We're going to...
19:40He says we're going to prove that Anne's baby is his.
19:42Three of them.
19:42Stop looking a liar.
19:43What are you going to do?
19:44What can I do anyway?
19:44Attack me again.
19:45Carry on.
19:46Carry on yourself.
19:47Now, you're making threats now, because you sat here last time.
19:50You sat here last time.
19:53Last time.
19:54No, no, no, I'm speaking now.
19:55Oi, shut up.
19:56She's so fretting me all the time.
19:58Everybody threatens everybody.
19:59Everybody lies to everybody.
20:00Yeah, everybody's having sex with everybody else.
20:02Yeah, I know.
20:03What?
20:04I know, I know I've messed up.
20:05Have you slept with him?
20:06I don't know.
20:07No, no, no.
20:09But he is indeed irresistible to women.
20:12Why haven't you fallen for his charms?
20:14Irresistible.
20:15You can see yourself.
20:16I am struggling to work out why you've managed to bed everybody in your weight.
20:20What did you fall for Mick for?
20:22What was it that attracted you, Anne?
20:26Brilliant.
20:28Is it going?
20:31I first met Mick just before I went on holiday.
20:34What first attracted you to him?
20:38It was funny.
20:39To look at or to be with?
20:41Funny person.
20:42He's been a laughing man.
20:44He's been a laughing man.
20:44Personality.
20:45He's pathetic.
20:46Oh, I'm pathetic, am I?
20:47Yes, you are.
20:47Yeah.
20:48Why did you fall for him?
20:49I'm more pathetic.
20:49To be honest, I don't even know.
20:51What?
20:51To be honest, I don't even know.
20:53I am the most perfect person myself, but boy, I wouldn't be like that.
20:57Seriously.
20:57Right, we have some people backstage in the green room who came to this show last minute.
21:04They wanted to be involved.
21:05Christine and Paul.
21:06Can somebody explain to me who Christine and Paul are?
21:10Who are Christine and Paul, my friend?
21:12There they are.
21:12Paul's my cousin.
21:13All my days.
21:13Paul's your cousin.
21:14Yeah.
21:15And Christine is his wife.
21:16He's his wife.
21:17Right.
21:17And we're there.
21:18Are you all right, guys?
21:20Yeah.
21:20Welcome here.
21:21You came here last minute, which is why you're in the green room.
21:23Maybe we should start with you, Christine.
21:26And we're going to make this very, very important.
21:28Paul is your cousin, Mick.
21:30And Christine, you're Nicky's step-mom.
21:32Well, I'm not a step-mom.
21:34I've got five boys with her father.
21:38So you've had a relationship with Nicky's father.
21:41Yeah.
21:42And your partner, Paul, is Mick's cousin.
21:47Yeah.
21:48Listen to this.
21:49Why are you two here?
21:50Because I was accused of sleeping with Mick.
21:54You were accused of sleeping with Mick.
21:56Yeah.
21:57So you were accused...
21:59Who by?
22:00Well, Mick says that Nicky accused of sleeping is together.
22:03So Nicky accused her sort of step-mother of sleeping with the father of her baby.
22:08Wait.
22:09And why are you here, Paul?
22:11Oh, it's all big fun, Ennis.
22:14I mean, you know...
22:15Yeah, but you've been accused as well.
22:17Yeah, I know, I have, yeah.
22:18I mean, it's all these pictures and that, what Nicky was sending me, of her private parts and stuff like that.
22:23Sorry?
22:24Hold on a second.
22:25Nicky, you've been sending pictures of your genitalia, according to him, to him.
22:29Right?
22:30And that would be the husband of your step-mother.
22:33Show my step-mom.
22:34My class is a step-mom, yeah.
22:35But did you send the pictures?
22:36Yeah, I sent him.
22:37Because he asked me to, ain't he?
22:41So you've been trying to sleep with him or he's been trying to sleep?
22:43No, I haven't been trying to sleep with him.
22:44He asked me.
22:45What he just said.
22:46Could you send...
22:47Should we do this?
22:48What did he say?
22:48How does that come to be?
22:49I went to work in somewhere, I don't know it was, and he was texting me, he was, and he asked me, he literally begged me, I was in the bath.
22:56So he basically begged me to send it in.
22:58Send what?
22:59A picture.
23:00Of what?
23:01It was the downstairs toilet.
23:02No, I was in your bathroom upstairs, Christine, the boys' bathroom.
23:05It wasn't, it was downstairs toilet.
23:07Chris, I could swear on the boys' life, it was, I was in the bath.
23:10Why would you send an intimate picture of the down below region to your stepmother's partner?
23:15Because he asked me to.
23:16Because he asked you to.
23:17Yeah.
23:18That's where she was going.
23:19Somebody asked.
23:20I was working out of town at the time, she sent me these pictures.
23:23Hold on, he asked me to.
23:25So hold on a second, that's your cousin, so apparently that picture's sent of her bits by...
23:29Somebody asked for you to send him a picture, so they did.
23:31Mick was asked to sleep with other people, so he did.
23:35Do any of you ever go to bed to sleep?
23:38Do you know what I mean?
23:39On a serious note, you two, this has really affected your relationship, hasn't it?
23:42It is all, it's all...
23:43It has affected it.
23:45I mean, like, he's broke a pair of marriage a couple of times.
23:48I mean, I was arrested at one point on Christmas, and I think it was three nights I spent in the cell,
23:54and that's when Mick did turn up to my house and tried to own me with my wife, which I disagree.
23:58So let me, right, I tell you, you came very late to the show.
24:03I know you've been watching.
24:03I hear, Amaya, that you're happy to join us on stage after this break, which is quite important,
24:07but there are so many different strands to this story, okay?
24:11We will seriously deal with all of it.
24:13Let me just recap very briefly before we go to the break, right?
24:16You've had a kid with Mick.
24:17We proved that with DNA last time.
24:19You said, I don't want him in the kid's life.
24:21He says, I want to be.
24:22That's one issue.
24:22And you say that rumours instigated by Nicky would imply that your daughter Ellie Mae is not Mick's.
24:28We're going to do that today.
24:29We haven't met your daughter yet who says she didn't sleep with Mick.
24:31Mick says that he did.
24:32There's a kid there as well.
24:33We add into the equation Christine and Paul.
24:36Paul's your cousin.
24:38Christine's your stepmother.
24:39You've just admitted sending dirty pictures to him.
24:41That's affected their marriage.
24:43And apparently, just one final thing before we go to the break, Christine, did you sleep with Mick?
24:47I'm not being funny.
24:48Like I told you researchers, from Mick to my husband, I'd rather stay home and sleep with him.
24:54I'm leaving that there.
25:04And next, Anne's daughter, Steph, is on this stage.
25:07Next, Anne, Christine, Anne, Paul, and probably others.
25:10I'm right back.
25:11Don't go anywhere.
25:11Thank you very much indeed.
25:30Welcome back.
25:31Before the break, so much of this story.
25:32I want to keep recapping throughout the morning because I want us to be aware of the different
25:36strands to the story.
25:37We haven't yet met your daughter, Stephanie.
25:40Stephanie is an interesting one to me because Stephanie says that she didn't sleep with
25:46you, to my researchers, but you say you did sleep with your fiancé's daughter and you
25:50don't seem to be bothered about that still.
25:54I think, I think, I just, you know, we're going to do a DNA on her kid as well.
25:59How would you feel if he is the father of Stephanie's baby?
26:01He's not.
26:02You definitely know that.
26:04Would it change your view of this situation if he was?
26:07No.
26:08Why should he?
26:10Because it's not normal.
26:12And?
26:13Next question.
26:16Basically, the message you're putting out there is it's all right for your kids to sleep
26:20with your bum.
26:20It's happened.
26:21Yeah, but why is it her fault?
26:23Did I say it was her fault?
26:24But you came out at Errol Ransom and Raven at her.
26:26Yeah, because they said Errol Lloyd on the last show and gone around telling everybody
26:30that Ellie brought Mick.
26:30But this is my point about the story.
26:32I'm going to come on the Jeremy Carr show and say what a fine, upstanding man Mick is.
26:35He doesn't do this.
26:36He doesn't do that.
26:36But he does sleep with my daughter.
26:39But she was the one that was turning around and saying Mick down to this for Kai.
26:42Mick down to that for Kai.
26:44Do you think he slept with Steph?
26:45Oh yeah, he's told me.
26:48And you told me as well?
26:49Yeah.
26:49Christine told me as well.
26:52Right, let's just do this bit by bit.
26:53Your daughter, Stephanie, is next on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
26:56Stephanie.
26:57You know what?
26:59You're doing?
27:00You're doing a pretty tipped little...
27:02Yes.
27:03I told her to let me get off of it.
27:05Everybody else has.
27:06I'm bothered.
27:06God.
27:08You are my line.
27:10Dirty, disgusting little kid.
27:11Have you ever met up on time, Jack?
27:13Bye!
27:15But, you called her dirty?
27:17Oh, right, hang on.
27:19You called her dirty, but Mick slept with your mum.
27:21Hang on, hang on, hang on.
27:23Do you know when we met up at the clinic,
27:25when she was having a chlamydia test?
27:27That was good!
27:29Yeah?
27:31But I didn't get back for her medicine, did I?
27:33Why? Because there's got a bansy.
27:35Come on, I must have had something to avoid.
27:37Because I knew her sister had...
27:39Sorry, sorry, oi, oi, wind your neck in.
27:41Can I just do me a favour?
27:43Just let her calm down.
27:45Because he's sitting there smiling, and I know you don't like this,
27:47but this is the bit I don't get.
27:49Welcome to the show. Did you sleep with Mick?
27:51Yeah, I did, but not when I got pregnant.
27:53Why did you tell my researchers you didn't?
27:55No, not when I got pregnant.
27:57They asked me, did I sleep with him the time I got pregnant?
27:59And I went, no, because I didn't.
28:01So this baby, today, the DNA of your kid,
28:03is not Mick's?
28:05No chance of it being Mick's? No chance.
28:07How many times did you sleep with him?
28:09Countless times.
28:11Countless? You said two?
28:13No, I said a couple of times.
28:15A couple is two.
28:17A couple is not countless.
28:19You were sleeping with your mother's fiancée.
28:21They were not together.
28:23Oh no, I was on the rebound.
28:25You were on the rebound? What from?
28:27What? I just split up from a five year relationship.
28:29On the rebound from what? Any other of her exes?
28:31Anybody else in the family?
28:33Who were you on the rebound from?
28:35My ex-partner.
28:37Do you not think it...
28:39I needed a friend. I needed comfort.
28:41He was there.
28:43So he took advantage of you?
28:45No. Because I was in it too.
28:47Was there ever a moment between you and your mum
28:49where you fell out over this?
28:51Yeah, we did.
28:53What happened?
28:55I went...
28:57I had one of the...
28:59come up and tell me that
29:01Stephanie was at it with Mick.
29:03I went down and smacked her in the face.
29:07I don't know. Honestly.
29:09Everybody who drinks is violent and has sex with everybody else.
29:11I don't drink it.
29:12Steph goes off and I'll come on.
29:13Nick, the whole point of coming and doing this today
29:15is to get the truth.
29:16Steph goes off a stage, I'll come on.
29:17She's like, just come and eat.
29:18I don't like it.
29:19It's a perfectly safe environment.
29:20We've got security.
29:21Stop being like a big drama queen
29:22and get out of here.
29:23I'm thinking about you, kid.
29:24Come on, I'm in a hurry.
29:25Sit down. Come on.
29:28Let's just...
29:29Why are you so angry with her?
29:30Why?
29:31Yeah.
29:32Because I was saying all two old people
29:33around Pindyford and places where she lives and that
29:35that I met Mick when I was pregnant
29:37so that makes my son his son.
29:39Well, no.
29:40Let's just recap on that.
29:41I had sex with Mick when he was pregnant.
29:43Shut your mouth.
29:44Shut your mouth.
29:45I'll come out here to have my say.
29:47Shut your mouth.
29:48I can't pronounce her now.
29:50I don't know how to pronounce her.
29:51But she told me.
29:52You've seen the DNA results when you come up to my...
29:53You did a private DNA.
29:54What was he doing?
29:55Steph, you did a private DNA, right?
29:56Yeah.
29:57What did he say?
29:58Daddy with...
29:59He's the dad.
30:010.9% and a couple of digits after that.
30:03And because she didn't believe this,
30:05she told him to Chrissie and said,
30:06Steph's done a DNA test.
30:07Do you think...
30:08This is the point.
30:09Hear me out.
30:10And you.
30:11Shut up.
30:12That because she's not with him
30:13and she's not what she made herself out to be.
30:16So, in your mind,
30:17she's a control freak.
30:18She's fine.
30:19Do you think that she stirred it about your kid?
30:21And you think she stirred it about your kid
30:23just to get back at him?
30:24That's the point of why you guys are here to say,
30:26we might not be with him,
30:28but we're not having lies made about our kids
30:30and about him because that's what she is.
30:32No, because she's just one,
30:34redictive little liar.
30:35And I swear,
30:36don't keep puffing and puffing at me,
30:37because I swear to God,
30:38I'll take your head off your shoulders.
30:39Go ahead, do, Steph.
30:40Go ahead.
30:41I swear to God.
30:42If you want to make threats like that,
30:43right,
30:44I'll have you off this stage,
30:45out of this building.
30:46After what I said about my baby,
30:48it's ridiculous.
30:49What does she say about your baby?
30:50Come on.
30:51What did I say?
30:52When you come to mine,
30:53you find...
30:54He's a baby, Steph.
30:55He's a baby.
30:56Then,
30:57right,
30:58you come to mine,
30:59I helped you.
31:00You told Mick,
31:01you didn't,
31:02you bathed the babies,
31:03I was sat with nothing,
31:05when at the end of the day,
31:06you did not bath Kai,
31:07and did not bath...
31:08You have not...
31:09No.
31:10Did not cook or something to eat?
31:11Yes, I did.
31:12Did not bath the babies?
31:13Yes, I did.
31:14Forget that.
31:15Who's next?
31:16Christine's on the show.
31:17Now...
31:18Right, Christine is your,
31:20excuse me,
31:21is your stepmother in effect.
31:22She's had kids with your father,
31:23right?
31:24She says,
31:25that rumours have started
31:26that she slept with Mick,
31:28which has had a terrible effect
31:29on her marriage,
31:30but that you...
31:31Come on.
31:32That you,
31:33and you admitted it,
31:34sent some pictures.
31:35Yeah, I did.
31:36I'm not gonna lie about that.
31:37I've got to lie about it.
31:38Let's get Christine on the show,
31:39ladies and gentlemen.
31:47Why are you clapping?
31:48Why?
31:49Because now all the truth's gonna come out.
31:50Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
31:52I might be sitting here,
31:53but you're no angel.
31:54I've heard some stuff today,
31:55and I'm not happy with any of you.
31:57I know.
31:58I'm gonna be honest.
31:59I am.
32:00You said you didn't sleep,
32:02big win.
32:03You did.
32:04You told me,
32:05you slept with Mick,
32:07while your mum was in bed.
32:09Now, I come on here,
32:10to be honest,
32:11and tell the truth,
32:12as you all know,
32:13Nikki is, you know,
32:14my kid's stepsister.
32:16I love her to be,
32:17even now what happened.
32:18I get on with Anne,
32:19I get on with Steph,
32:20I get on with Nick.
32:21The kid's stepsister,
32:22and she sent,
32:23I'm not trying to be rude,
32:24it's caused massive problems in your relationship.
32:25She sent pictures of herself to your partner.
32:27What she done was wrong,
32:28and I can't take that,
32:29but at the end of the day,
32:30I can't take her brothers away from her.
32:31No.
32:32Do you know what I mean?
32:33But at the end of the day,
32:34I'm sat on here,
32:35and I will vote for Nikki,
32:36and I'll be honest.
32:37I said I was gonna tell the truth.
32:38What she said is true,
32:39and I will tell ya,
32:40she has,
32:41and some of the stuff you've said is true,
32:42but you're also holding stuff back.
32:44You told me,
32:46why he called you Fluff Fluff.
32:48Yeah.
32:49Right?
32:50Well actually,
32:51he told Paul.
32:52Sorry, sorry,
32:53I'm really apologizing.
32:54I'm really apologizing again.
32:55It's called the Jeremy Carl show,
32:57Fluff Fluff.
32:58Yeah,
32:59because she put all fluffy underwear on,
33:00and danced for him,
33:01and everything.
33:02I didn't dance for him now.
33:03Is this before she had sex with him?
33:04I wouldn't now.
33:05So it was premeditated,
33:06was it,
33:07rather than I was just drunk,
33:08and I need a shoulder to cry?
33:09No, I wasn't drunk.
33:10I think you're a bit of a liar.
33:11No, I said I wasn't drunk,
33:12I just needed a friend.
33:13Right, right.
33:14And I'm not being funny,
33:15I come on here,
33:16I told you,
33:17I was gonna tell the truth, yeah?
33:18Christine.
33:19You weren't drunk when you slept with him at my house.
33:20Oh, she slept with him at your house?
33:21Yeah, they did.
33:22Because we were together?
33:23That's how Nikki and Mick got together,
33:24at my house.
33:25Because we were together?
33:26Me and Mick were together when we come to yours?
33:28Yeah, but you slept with him at your house.
33:29Until I started getting the text messages off these,
33:32because I was pregnant with Ellie.
33:33Right, Christine, Christine,
33:34let's just move it on.
33:35So, just to start with Anne,
33:37do you believe that Ellie May is Mick's?
33:39Oh yeah, you can tell.
33:40Do you believe now,
33:41you've heard that she did sleep with him,
33:43is there a part of you that thinks he might be the father to Stephanie's baby?
33:45Not a chance.
33:46Not a chance.
33:47Your relationship has been affected by pictures that Nikki,
33:50you've been very nice,
33:51she said, well it was my step-children's,
33:53you know, stepsister or whatever.
33:54She did do what she did,
33:56and it's affected your relationship with Paul.
33:57What do you make of this lady?
33:58She's a liar as well.
33:59At the end of the day,
34:01yes, she's done wrong.
34:02I'm not perfect,
34:03I've done things,
34:04do you know what I mean?
34:05But, like I said,
34:06I'm not going to stop Nikki from seeing her brothers.
34:07But this has affected your relationship with Paul?
34:09We've spoke about it,
34:10have we Nikki?
34:11She can see her brothers,
34:12but I don't want to.
34:13You don't want to see her?
34:14No, she knows that.
34:15I spoke to her,
34:16not on the phone,
34:17we spoke through Blackberry.
34:18I will speak to Nikki when she wants to know about the boys.
34:21Paul, let's just bring you in,
34:22let's just bring you in.
34:23Why would she do that?
34:24Why would she do this?
34:25I mean, I'm not having a go at you sir,
34:26but are you sure you didn't solicit those pictures?
34:27No, I did not.
34:28Paul, yes you did.
34:29Don't lie please.
34:30No, I did not.
34:31Nikki, that's where you wronged.
34:32That's where you wronged.
34:33That's where you wronged.
34:34You was texting me saying,
34:35when you're going to be finished work,
34:36what are you about?
34:37Because I'm missing you.
34:38I'm not lying to you Nikki.
34:39Chris, don't make me lie.
34:40You're stupid on TV.
34:41Who looks stupid?
34:42All of us, Chris.
34:43I'm not going to lie about this.
34:44I've got no bit to lie about Chris,
34:45I've told ya.
34:46Nikki.
34:47What about that one time?
34:49When you rang my phone?
34:51Leanne was there,
34:52you was at Stasis.
34:53Leanne's horny.
34:54What are you going to do about it?
34:55And you lot don't even know I've done that,
34:56and Chris was listening to the conversation,
34:57and he says to me,
34:58Leanne's horny.
34:59What are you going to do about it?
35:00What are you going to do about it?
35:01No.
35:02Have you slept with him as well?
35:03No, Sharon.
35:04No, I mean, right.
35:05I don't understand.
35:06That's the past lot of horny people.
35:07That's okay, I'll go.
35:08One second, can I ask him?
35:09Because you're very calm,
35:10and I like you as a person,
35:11but there's a-
35:12Oi, shut up.
35:13But there's something that doesn't make sense.
35:14This woman,
35:15Miss Perfect from before,
35:17sends pictures of herself to him,
35:19which causes your marriage to have problems.
35:21But also, there's a rumour, right,
35:23that you, apparently,
35:25also slept with, you know,
35:26the man who's irresistible.
35:27Like I told you researchers,
35:28I'm not being funny.
35:29Look at my husband,
35:30look at Mick.
35:31Mick, not being offensive,
35:32you know what I'm like.
35:33I would rather stay at home,
35:34or get something out of the fridge,
35:35and summers,
35:36and use that,
35:37because I wouldn't touch that.
35:38Yeah, but where have the rumours?
35:40I would not touch that.
35:41Where have the rumours come from?
35:43Well, he said they was from Nicky.
35:44They're not Chris.
35:45Yeah, you know what?
35:46Because you get to sign,
35:47I could stay with Chris.
35:49And I even admitted that,
35:50I have a lie detector test
35:51to prove your words.
35:52Have you slept with Chris?
35:53No, I haven't.
35:54And I have a lie detector test
35:55to prove your words.
35:56Seriously?
35:57Food file.
35:58Right, there's one person
35:59we haven't spoken to.
36:00Let's get your mum Mandy on the show, Nicky.
36:01Mandy's here.
36:05Now, now he's coming.
36:07That's fine.
36:08You stand there, yeah,
36:09and you tell,
36:10and you say that she's stopping you
36:11from seeing your son.
36:12I haven't said that.
36:13You have texted me,
36:14and I said to you,
36:15come down to my house,
36:16and you can see your son
36:17to speak my language.
36:18I'm sorry.
36:19Yeah, I'll come down for the fingers.
36:20Right?
36:21And what was wrong with you?
36:22Get the taxi down to my house
36:23to come and see your son.
36:24What?
36:25What's stopping me?
36:26What's stopping you?
36:27Not in my house?
36:28I don't think so.
36:29I've got kids there.
36:30I've already asked her to range
36:31to meet me somewhere else.
36:32Many a time,
36:33you've had a chance to come down
36:34and see your son.
36:35And you, yourself,
36:36told me that,
36:37you told me that Ellie Mae wore yours.
36:38Yes, you did.
36:39Thank you very much.
36:40Yes, you did.
36:41Yes, you did, Megan.
36:42You were a liar.
36:43Oh, my God.
36:44No, I'm sorry.
36:45Excuse me.
36:46Mandy, sit.
36:47Sorry.
36:48Sit there.
36:49It's like off my daughter.
36:50Where do you come into all of this?
36:52Have you slept with her?
36:53No.
36:54Oh, not.
36:55Have you slept with anybody on this stage?
36:56No.
36:57Do you want to?
36:58No.
36:59Everybody's having sex
37:00with everybody else.
37:01And on a serious note,
37:02there's three kids involved.
37:03We proved last time that he's the father.
37:05She says he's not allowed.
37:06You're saying he's not allowed to, but you're saying he's a bad father.
37:08Why isn't he allowed to?
37:09Because after eight weeks and months and months and months, I don't think so.
37:11No, I'm going to text you down.
37:12You were texting him the other day.
37:14You say, sit down.
37:15I'm not saying fancy.
37:16I was drunk.
37:18What?
37:18You think that's funny, do you?
37:19Oh, no, Nicky.
37:20You know what you just said?
37:21You just said to Paul, please don't.
37:23Can you be quiet?
37:24Oi.
37:25Can you not make me look ridiculous?
37:27I was drunk.
37:27Already?
37:28I was drunk.
37:28Well, stop drinking and be a more responsible person, then.
37:31That might be a good idea.
37:33Well, thank you.
37:38Everybody else be quiet.
37:39What do you want from today?
37:40There's so many different stories here.
37:42What do you want from today?
37:43No, you want to stag it off my daughter when they're all is bad.
37:45But look at the way she's behaved.
37:46She's sent pictures of herself to your...
37:48I suppose you were quite pleased, actually, because you probably don't like Christine, do you?
37:51She don't like me neither.
37:52Me and Mandy, we've had bad times.
37:54We've had good times.
37:55She's done stuff for my kids and done stuff for me.
37:58So I'm not going to see her at a bad moment.
37:59Were you quite pleased that your daughter's sending pictures to the woman who's now got your bloke...
38:01No, but he's been texting her.
38:04Have I?
38:04No, it's been quite a time since he has, Mum.
38:07Yeah.
38:07But he's been coming on to her.
38:09I haven't been coming on to her.
38:09Yes, you are, Paul.
38:10Do you think it was Paul who instigated it or your daughter?
38:12Since when?
38:13Since when?
38:14Why don't you all stop drinking, stop sleeping around and go and work for a living?
38:18Why wouldn't that be a better idea?
38:20What?
38:21What?
38:22Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:23You're not brilliant.
38:24You won't like this.
38:25I've got a baby.
38:26I can't do it.
38:27Maybe if people like you only had a kid when you could pay for it yourself instead of the rest of us,
38:31you'd all stop having sex so often.
38:33I don't want to stop babying.
38:35Him, you don't want to stop babying.
38:37I don't want to stop babying.
38:37All of you.
38:38Who's paying for your kid?
38:40Are you working?
38:41Does it look like he?
38:44Most important thing is we find out the truth.
38:46You want to nail that Ellie Mae is mixed.
38:48You want to prove that Ellie Mae, your child is not mixed.
38:51And you and Mick need to work out how this is going to work for the sake of your child.
38:54What?
38:54No.
38:56Your child deserves to be involved with both of its parents, okay?
39:00No.
39:01Frankly, from what I've seen this morning, your child and all of your children deserve a lot more.
39:04Right, next, on this stage.
39:06What?
39:07Important double DNA results.
39:08I'm right back.
39:10I remember she was 50 when you paid her £10 sex on pills.
39:12No, I didn't, no.
39:13Yes, she did, Christine.
39:14That's what she told people.
39:15No, Christine.
39:16Yes, she did.
39:16You paid her £10 sex on pills.
39:19The DNA test results show that Mick...
39:32Thank you very much, indeed.
39:33Welcome back to one of the most complex stories I've ever done on the Jeremy Carr Show in 60s.
39:37Okay, Nikki and Mick, we know that you share a child.
39:42There is, however much shouting there has been, an issue about custody, not custody, but contact and what's right.
39:49And why aren't you necking?
39:50Because the kid does not deserve any of this.
39:52There's so many different stories within this whole thing.
39:56Christine, yours as well.
39:57You and Mandy, the same guy, different kids.
40:00You sending the pictures.
40:01You saying he was instigating that.
40:02He was sending you text messages.
40:04The impact that's had on your marriage.
40:05Well, me and Mandy and our kids really ain't got nothing to do with it.
40:08It's the rest of it.
40:09Can I ask anybody?
40:10Why can't she see her brothers then?
40:12Well, because Paul being there, Paul don't want her at the house.
40:15Obviously, he's my husband.
40:16And my brothers, Chris.
40:16And my brothers.
40:17Yeah.
40:17But at the end of the day, I've got to see Nikki knowing that she was sending pictures to Paul.
40:21Do you not think that's going to affect me?
40:23Oh, what about you then when she was 50 when you paid her £10 to take some pills?
40:26No, I didn't.
40:27Yes, she did, Christine.
40:28That's what she told people.
40:29No, Chris, she did.
40:29Yes, she did.
40:30You paid her £10 to take some pills.
40:32Well, you ain't going to bring up all my past or I could start doing the same with you.
40:35No, I won't bring up my past.
40:36There's a lot of allegations that you...
40:38You kicked her out with Kai.
40:39That's why she come to live with me.
40:40Did I kick you out with Kai?
40:42She left for...
40:43I chose my mum.
40:44No, no.
40:45Chris, you've got to pay me out of my case.
40:47And I asked you.
40:48I asked you.
40:48No, Mandy, she turned up at my court.
40:50We found the police.
40:53You're escorted from your mum's house to your hospital.
40:55Do you want to kick you out?
40:56No.
40:57Listen, listen.
40:58You told me.
40:59Chris, Chris, you've got to ask me now.
41:01Oi!
41:01There are allegations that you take drugs.
41:03There are drugs...
41:03I have done.
41:04And you still do.
41:05Oi!
41:05Well, please, good God.
41:07Did you...
41:07You used to see drugs.
41:09Did you ever...
41:10Hello?
41:10Did you ever give drugs to Nikki?
41:13No.
41:13This is about two kids who deserve the truth, okay?
41:17We are going to do what you came here to do, which is the DNA.
41:21Already we know, okay?
41:23That Nikki and Mick have a child.
41:25I do think you need to talk with help about what's going to happen.
41:29Let's do the DNA.
41:30Darling, you can shake your head all you want, but there are more important things than your
41:33ego and his.
41:34It's about two children.
41:36We'll start with you, Anne.
41:36You said from the moment you came on this stage, Ellie Mae is definitely Mick's.
41:40I was engaged to him.
41:41I always believed that he was being serious to me.
41:43It was her and him who did the dirty.
41:45You seem quite keen on this guy, but there you go.
41:48The DNA test results show that Mick...
41:50You are the biological father of her baby.
41:57And let's just make that...
42:00Be quiet.
42:01Let's just make the point.
42:02So, you had two kids almost at exactly the same time because you were having unprotected
42:06sex with two women.
42:08Do you change your opinion of this guy?
42:10Change it for...
42:12You seem to have him on a pedestal.
42:14Me?
42:15Yeah.
42:17Does his own thing?
42:18Maybe you shouldn't let him do his own thing.
42:22Steph.
42:23Do I lock him up?
42:24I just wouldn't give him the time of day apart from seeing my child, but that's another
42:27story.
42:28That's what I'm doing.
42:29Good.
42:30Steph, you had sex.
42:32You were finally admitted with Mick, but you say he's not the father of your baby.
42:35No.
42:35The rumours that he was, you say, started from Nicky, yeah?
42:38I had sex with Mick when I was with him.
42:40When we split up, I didn't see him because he went with her.
42:42I didn't speak to him.
42:44I didn't talk to him.
42:45And then I was with another lad about, I'd say about three, four months after.
42:49The DNA test has ought to show that Mick is not the baby's dad.
42:54Is not the child's baby's dad.
43:00I still think...
43:01Thanks for saying it's a photocopie and I did it myself on the computer.
43:04Could I just make a point?
43:05I think most people in a sane world, unless I've actually just landed from another planet,
43:10would think it's wrong to sleep with your mother's fiancée.
43:13I was on the edge yet.
43:14Are you missing it?
43:15I'll...
43:15If you all took less drugs, drank less, and left your life better, you wouldn't be blanked
43:20in the head.
43:20I don't drink.
43:21And you wouldn't have sex with everybody else.
43:25That's the point, isn't it?
43:27The last thing I had was when I was with Chris.
43:30You said it was countless times.
43:31It was when I was with Chris.
43:32You said it was countless times.
43:33Right, Anne.
43:35Most important.
43:36This is the most important thing here, right?
43:39Nothing from you, nothing from you.
43:41You have to understand one thing.
43:45And so do you.
43:45And I think you know this already.
43:46This is...
43:48You like everybody else, you get warmed into a...
43:50You lied to my researchers, and even Christine...
43:54Oh, get off my stage.
43:55Go, go.
43:56See ya.
43:58Give me a headache, missus.
44:01Whatever.
44:02Keep it in.
44:05You were right.
44:06You had a kid with Mick.
44:08I don't know whether she is an angel or the devil, right?
44:13But for me now, that's not the point.
44:15The point is, there are two kids.
44:17Two kids, actually, who are related.
44:19Two kids who...
44:21And Mick, you know, you've...
44:22You've sat here, like, you know, watching this all go on.
44:25Mate, this is your doing.
44:27You don't know.
44:27Shut her up.
44:29No.
44:29Go, then.
44:30No.
44:35You and she both had kids with Mick.
44:37And whatever the whites and wrongs are that, right?
44:38They are related.
44:40You have a responsibility.
44:41And when you sit there and you say,
44:42You're never going to see the kid.
44:45This isn't about you and Mick.
44:46This is about...
44:47Shush.
44:48This is about the child.
44:49Isn't it?
44:50You must agree with that.
44:51Your two kids are related.
44:55Yeah, and brother and sister.
44:56So what happens in the long term when they want contact?
45:01All of because...
45:02And this is where you are responsible.
45:03You've...
45:05You know, you said,
45:05Oh, she was this and I ran to Anne.
45:07But Anne said,
45:08You know, you pulled the wool over her eyes.
45:10You're responsible.
45:11Both of these kids are yours.
45:12The common denominator is you, Mick.
45:14And these kids...
45:15And I know you don't agree right now,
45:16but we are going to work with you because...
45:18You see...
45:19Darling,
45:20using a kid as a weapon to beat your ex over the head
45:22with however much of an idiot you might have been
45:24will come back and bite you.
45:27Won't it, man?
45:28Because this...
45:29I think that we need to sit with you
45:31and sit with you
45:33and sit with you separately and together
45:34and we need to concentrate on these kids.
45:36This is...
45:37Nikki,
45:37you can make every immature face you want
45:39but this is real life.
45:40I'll see you, right?
45:40End of.
45:41It wasn't after eight weeks.
45:42I don't think so.
45:44Everybody's guilty on this stage.
45:46Everybody's made mistakes.
45:47We all make mistakes in life
45:48but the two most important thing are
45:49Ellie Mae and Kai
45:51and you need to learn from this, my friend.
45:53You need to stop rushing around the place
45:55having sex with women
45:56and you need to sit backstage in aftercare
45:58and get this right.
45:59Do you agree with that?
46:00All right, you three that way.
46:01You three that way.
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