00:00Well, you're saying it's backups against backups.
00:02Well, if your intention was to make him the starter, and then he...
00:07If your intention was to make him the starter, and we're not supposed to look at the Bills game,
00:13you had every excuse to not put him out there.
00:16Like, I remember Camino and I went back and forth about this.
00:20And it wasn't an argument. It was not an argument.
00:24I just thought, hey, he hasn't played in over 600 days. He needs work.
00:28Then thunderstorms happen.
00:31And all that stuff went down.
00:33And it's like, you had every excuse to go, eh, you know what?
00:36Not great conditions for it. It's been done before.
00:39Like, there have been preseason thunderstorms before where they're like,
00:41hey, we're going to play somebody, and we ain't going to play him.
00:44It's happened in Cleveland. It's happened everywhere.
00:46That is not a new thing. You can go look that up.
00:50You had every reason to go, yeah, you know what?
00:52We're going to put Dylan Gabriel out there.
00:53And you know what? How about Taylor Greene gets a little bit of an opportunity here
00:57against the Buffalo Bills? You could have done that.
01:00Did we just not want anybody to think that it was already done?
01:04Did we want to make sure that we were having a fair and balanced quarterback competition?
01:10Is that what we were worried about?
01:12I thought we didn't care about what the fans thought.
01:14I thought we didn't care about what bots and burners thought on the internet.
01:18What are we doing?
01:20So, he's out there. He's playing with third-teamers.
01:24He's also supposed to elevate the play of people around him.
01:28That's what you traded for.
01:30And since he's still out there, people are going to judge him like that.
01:33He ain't the quarterback you traded for.
01:36At the time, he wasn't even the quarterback that you traded for.
01:41You got a lemon.
01:43Alright?
01:43I wish I would have known that at the time.
01:45Well, I tried to tell you.
01:46You knew he'd be this bad?
01:49I didn't think he'd be this bad, but I didn't think he was going to be good.
01:51I think this is unprecedented.
01:53A drop in talent to this level.
01:56You're throwing interceptions to guys who are going to be in the UFL.
02:03Hello?
02:05Not nuts?
02:06I wonder if he said anything to Todd.
02:09Like, are we sure I'm going to be out here?
02:10Like, because you know that is, especially after Shador played well.
02:15And I know you want your starting quarterback to be mentally adept to be able to handle that.
02:21But, you know, for a fact, like, after that delay, like, I thought.
02:24I was texting people that morning.
02:26I'm like, oh, he's probably not going to play, is he?
02:28And I couldn't get any real read because nobody knew what the Browns were going to do.
02:32And when he went out there, I do wonder.
02:34Like, we talk about a fall from grace.
02:36I mean, this is a guy who was playing for national championships, who was in the Heisman running
02:40two straight years, and was invited to New York, then lit up the NFL.
02:45I mean, lit up the NFL immediately coming into the league, and was considered by some to be
02:52a top-five quarterback.
02:53And now he's going out there with a rain delay in the second half of a game that means nothing.
02:58You're getting throttled anyway.
02:59The field is damp.
03:02And you're going to go out there and play with guys you're never going to actually play
03:05with once the season starts.
03:06Like, that is something you probably could have opted out of.
03:10Wouldn't have looked good.
03:11Wouldn't have looked good at all.
03:12Like, especially if they found out it was you asking out.
03:15But I do wonder if there was a conversation had at all there.
03:21Because when have we ever seen a starting quarterback play in those circumstances?
03:25It'll be okay.
03:26It'll be okay against Jacksonville.
03:28I mean, he'll be playing with the ones.
03:30It'll be too humid.
03:31The ball might get wet.
03:33Be nervous.
03:34Oh, wait.
03:34He'll be playing against ones in Jacksonville.
03:37I forgot.
03:38So if the threes are picking him off.
03:44But maybe he'll magically be able to wake up the echoes of what he was in Houston.
03:51So this is where you do disagree with Mary Kay.
03:53Because Mary Kay is saying, why are you guys putting stock into preseason football that
03:59is, there's no scheme.
04:01Because your fans.
04:01Mark Munkin didn't come up with a playbook.
04:04Like, he was just like, go out there, run the ball.
04:06They ran the ball on first and second down in the first two drives.
04:09Because if nobody's running a defense, then it should be even easier.
04:11But that's what I'm saying.
04:12We're going to go to the regular season, and they're going to drop robbers in there and
04:15cover one.
04:16Am I nuts?
04:18Am I nuts?
04:19Like, what's that movie where Willem Dafoe kind of looks around like, what the hell is
04:23going on here?
04:23But you even had agreed that they were just trying to get out of dodge.
04:26They ran the ball on first and second down.
04:28Then you should have just ran the ball on third down.
04:30Or you know what?
04:30You shouldn't have put them out there.
04:31You shouldn't have put them out there.
04:32There you go.
04:33Is it that hard to talk about that?
04:35Is it that hard to recognize that?
04:36But we are.
04:37There's no doubt.
04:38Judas Priest.
04:38You have to agree that in Cleveland, we are putting stock in things that no one else
04:44is putting stock in.
04:45Meaning, a tracker that shows completion percentage in camp.
04:50When you know a lot of these, Todd Munkin's like, that was not the right read.
04:53That wasn't a good throw.
04:55That was a wobbler.
04:56That would be dangerous in a real game.
04:58That's what's been so asinine about this entire thing.
04:59That's what's made this thing so ridiculous.
05:02He drifted there.
05:03We've coached against it.
05:04That's not a good rep.
05:05It's going in the tracker is a good rep, but it's not.
05:07Then I'm getting texts.
05:08You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground if you're ripping the quarterback tracker.
05:11You say they really do that.
05:12No, they don't.
05:12No, they don't.
05:13No coach does that.
05:14No coach does it.
05:15Okay?
05:16No, they don't do it.
05:17We propagate the whole thing.
05:19You want to put it on the media?
05:20Fine.
05:21Put it on the media.
05:21I'm part of the media.
05:22I didn't want to do any of that crap.
05:25You don't want to do any of that crap, but I'm going to speak for myself.
05:28You want to throw it on the media?
05:29Fine.
05:29Because this is ridiculous.
05:31This is absolutely ridiculous.
05:33Now, I've got to pick and choose when to judge and when not to judge.
05:37Why?
05:38Judge the whole thing.
05:39Judge the whole thing.
05:41And by the way, when Shador goes out there, because he will, because it's not a week-to-week
05:46thing.
05:46It's about a month.
05:48When he goes out there, judge that.
05:51Judge away.
05:52I won't make any excuses.
05:55I won't.
05:56I'll just look at it and go, yeah, well, how did C.J. Carr do yesterday?
06:00That's what I'll do.
06:03But this is ridiculous.
06:05You didn't have any reason to put him out there if you didn't want to put him out there.
06:09You'll coach the football team.
06:10Is this the first huge criticism you've had for the coaching staff and Todd Munkin?
06:14I suppose it is.
06:15Put it on record, Owen.
06:16We've got a major criticism.
06:19August 27th.
06:20We got it.
06:21Carmen, the gloves have come off.
06:23Wait a minute.
06:23Coach, you are on notice.
06:25No, don't be like that.
06:26Ken says you don't know what you're doing.
06:27First off, no, I didn't say that.
06:29Okay?
06:30I just need answers.
06:31And by the way, you can go back a couple of days ago because I still don't understand
06:35why you're not going to play Shador Sanders when you tell me everything's operational.
06:38What helps operations the most?
06:40I agree with you.
06:40Playing football helps operations the most.
06:44So why isn't he playing?
06:47Is he next man up?
06:48He is next man up.
06:49So you see, you mess with people's psyches and emotions when you say he's the next man
06:54up, but we're not going to play him?
06:55Why wouldn't you give him two series or a quarter?
06:59It's insane.
07:00Mary Kay says injury, but...
07:01It's insane.
07:02We can't protect...
07:03When you have this quarterback room, are we really invested in protecting these guys?
07:09No.
07:09To that extent?
07:10This isn't Josh Allen.
07:12It's not Patrick Mahomes.
07:13Listen, I can't coach everybody to injury.
07:17No.
07:17This is part of the reason I've had to answer some emails and they're going, Ken, this could
07:22be a 9 or 10 win team.
07:23And I go, I'm glad that you believe that.
07:26We need people to believe that.
07:27And I hope you're right.
07:29I'm not going to pray for it because there's definitely more important things to pray for.
07:32But I hope that you're right.
07:35But we're keeping guys out for precautions that are big names on this team.
07:42We're searching for edge rushers.
07:45And then Alex Wright goes down, who's a great guy and a good football player.
07:49So that lets you know what's going on.
07:53It's all written there.
07:55So I guess if you wanted to hold everybody out for precaution, that's fine.
07:58But then again, you put your starting quarterback out there in the third quarter.
08:01However, I'm not supposed to judge that.
08:04I have to judge that.
08:05And say what you want to, but Kevin famously had the rant played when I ripped them for
08:09Dorian Thompson Robinson being out there on about a half hour notice against the Baltimore
08:13Ravens.
08:14So criticism's criticism.
08:16They're big boys.
08:17They get paid for it.
08:18They can take it.
08:19Because I don't think anybody can look at this and make real logical sense of it without
08:24leaving gaping holes behind the sentences they just said.
08:28It's an impossible thing to do right now.
