00:00Former Browns quarterback, Baker Mayfield, he was on 4th and South,
00:03which is Jarvis Landry's podcast, talking to Jarvis Landry.
00:06And, you know, you don't always want to sit there and go over the old stuff.
00:11But I think I agree with Baker Mayfield in this clip.
00:14Here is the former Browns quarterback, now Bucs quarterback.
00:17It was eye-opening to see that it wasn't just football.
00:20For me, going from college to the NFL, it wasn't just about how do we win.
00:23There was a lot of people that are involved in it,
00:24and not everybody was trying to help us win.
00:26Not everybody was trying to do their part and do their role to do that.
00:29So I think that was the most eye-opening part.
00:31There was ups and downs for sure.
00:32When I came in in 2018, like the amount of high draft picks they had had in the past couple
00:36years,
00:36the free agent signings that we had before I got drafted,
00:39the culture was really starting to change.
00:40And that's a credit to John Dorsey, Elliot Wolfe, Wazo Highsmith,
00:43for bringing in football guys to truly try and change it.
00:46Some things you can't change in a building,
00:47but you can change the locker room and the makeup of that,
00:49and they did a good job of building that.
00:50Is there a team circled on the schedule this year?
00:53First home game, week two, Cleveland.
00:56Well, that's, I mean, yeah, that would be about right.
00:59But, um, who's he talking about there?
01:04Who's he talking about?
01:07Certain name came to my mind.
01:09Well, he mentioned the predecessor of Andrew Barry.
01:13He mentioned John Dorsey.
01:14He mentioned Lonzo Highsmith.
01:16Who else did he mention?
01:17I don't think he's talking about that.
01:19Elliot Wolfe?
01:20I mean, maybe he is talking about Andrew Barry.
01:22I mean, it's a decent enough guess, but I don't know.
01:24Do you want to play it again?
01:26Because I want Lyman to listen very, very closely.
01:31Now, and I understand, oh, you media, you're cooking.
01:35Well, I want you guys, turn your radio up.
01:37I'll speak softly.
01:38And I want you to listen very, very closely to what Baker says
01:42and who he's talking about.
01:44Because I want to see whether or not I'm right.
01:46I think I might be when I say a name
01:48after this clip from Baker Mayfield on 4th and South again hit it.
01:52But it was eye-opening to see that it wasn't just football.
01:55For me, going from college to the NFL,
01:56it wasn't just about how do we win.
01:58There was a lot of people that are involved in it.
01:59And not everybody was trying to help us win.
02:01Not everybody was trying to do their part
02:03and do their role to do that.
02:04So I think that was the most eye-opening part.
02:06There was ups and downs for sure.
02:07When I came in in 2018,
02:08the amount of high draft picks they had had
02:10in the past couple of years,
02:11the free agent signings that we had before I got drafted,
02:14the culture was really starting to change.
02:15And that's a credit to John Dorsey, Elliot Wolfe,
02:17Ozzo Highsmith for bringing in football guys
02:19to truly try and change it.
02:21Some things you can't change in a building,
02:22but you can change the locker room and the makeup of that.
02:24And they did a good job of building that.
02:25Is there a team circled on the schedule this year?
02:28First home game, week two, Cleveland.
02:30Who do you think he's talking about?
02:32I don't know.
02:33You don't know?
02:34You can't even hazard a guess?
02:36No, I don't know what you're...
02:36Well, I thought it was just a...
02:37He mentioned the guys in the front office
02:40that were there when he got drafted,
02:42not the guys that said goodbye to him.
02:44So I assumed you meant that
02:47that was an attack on Andrew Barry,
02:49that was an attack on...
02:51I mean, I'm sure he would lump him in there.
02:54And I imagine he wouldn't have good things to say
02:56about Andrew Barry or Kevin Stefanski.
02:58Even though he made the playoffs
02:59and had his best season in the pros with those guys.
03:01But I think Kevin Stefanski's a guy
03:03who did want to win football games,
03:05probably still does want to win football games,
03:07just in Atlanta.
03:08I do think Andrew Barry wants to win football games.
03:12You don't think you...
03:13You really can't hazard this guess yet?
03:15No, I don't know.
03:15Owen, can you hazard a guess of who he's talking about?
03:18Or who you might think he's talking about?
03:21I mean, there's only...
03:23It's either Barry Stefanski, right?
03:24I don't think he's talking about anybody
03:26who doesn't wear a uniform.
03:29I'm wondering.
03:32Barry K. Cavett joins us at 820.
03:35And you remember what was written there
03:38about a certain somebody
03:39who basically made it out to be
03:40it's either him or me.
03:43When did the incident 2019 with Mason Rudolph...
03:46Do you remember we reacted to the reaction
03:48that Baker had with that?
03:49When he said how unsmart it was?
03:53I don't know.
03:53Those weren't the exact words.
03:54But he was very disappointed
03:56that Miles Garrett did that in that moment
03:57because he knew that he was going to be suspended
03:58for the rest of the year at least.
04:01I mean, Mike Florio wanted him fired
04:03or wanted him arrested over it.
04:05Do you think there's a chance...
04:08I mean, you guys all called in last year
04:11stat padding, padding stats.
04:13Genevion Clowney tried to throw him under the bus.
04:16I guess I got to be the bad guy
04:17and do some speculating here.
04:20Or it's just August 13th.
04:22Maybe it's just August 13th.
04:24Dare I speculate he's talking about another guy
04:25in a bronze uniform that was a high draft pick?
04:28Well, he did just say, though, in the clip,
04:30like, guys were drafted high ahead of me.
04:33They had turned the culture.
04:34Like, that was Miles.
04:35Miles was drafted number one overall
04:37the year before he got there.
04:38Except you've agreed with me over and over and over again
04:41over the last nine years
04:42about he's not a vocal leader.
04:43He's not that type of guy.
04:44Now, Baker tried to be a vocal leader.
04:46Baker was as vocal as vocal can be.
04:50And I had...
04:51Now, Genevion Clowney...
04:52I'm just...
04:53Listen, I'm not saying one's right and one's wrong.
04:55I'm trying to find who he might have been talking about.
04:59And he very well could have been talking about
05:01Andrew Barry or D. Budesta
05:02or Kevin Stefanski, for that matter.
05:04That's a possibility.
05:06But when he's saying guys try...
05:08I went from college where it was about winning football games.
05:11Meaning, to me, I took that as guys who were his teammates,
05:14who he were leading.
05:14It's about trying to win football games.
05:16You go to the NFL.
05:17What do we always talk about with guys?
05:19There are other things that guys are trying to do in the NFL,
05:22sadly, other than win football games.
05:24Well, like what?
05:25Like build a brand?
05:26Their business, their brand, their stats.
05:28Baker did all that, though.
05:29Their business, their brand, their stats.
05:30Yes, but...
05:31Baker, that was one of the biggest criticisms of Baker
05:33after he had the great year in 2020 was,
05:36is even focused on football.
05:37I'm not saying...
05:38I'm not saying that Baker's completely blameless in it.
05:40No, no, no, no, no, no.
05:42No.
05:43I am asking you whether or not you think
05:46he might have been talking about Miles.
05:47See, I would love Miles to go on...
05:49Because I don't think there's very much love lost
05:51between the two.
05:51Okay, fine.
05:52I'll shut up.
05:53I love Miles.
05:54I just wouldn't listen to it again.
05:56I mean, he talks about the...
05:58He's talking about the locker room changing
06:01and the draft picks
06:03and the guys that brought those guys in
06:04and he said the locker room was changing.
06:07So, he would be a locker room guy, right?
06:09But he's talking to Jarvis Landry.
06:10He's talking to Jarvis Landry.
06:11Miles would be a locker room guy.
06:13But Miles would be a guy in the locker room.
06:15And I think he is...
06:16When he's saying that guys weren't trying to help them win,
06:19I think he's talking about guys in the locker room.
06:21You want to listen to it again?
06:21Yeah!
06:22Okay.
06:22It was eye-opening to see that it wasn't just football.
06:25For me, going from college to the NFL,
06:26it wasn't just about how do we win.
06:28There was a lot of people that are involved in it
06:29and not everybody was trying to help us win.
06:31Not everybody was trying to do their part
06:33and do their role to do that.
06:34So, I think that was the most eye-opening part.
06:36There was ups and downs for sure.
06:37When I came in in 2018,
06:39the amount of high draft picks they'd had
06:40in the past couple years,
06:41the free agent signings that we had
06:42before I got drafted,
06:44the culture was really starting to change.
06:45And that's a credit to John Dorsey,
06:47Elliott Wolfe, Ozzo Highsmith
06:48for bringing in football guys
06:50to truly try and change it.
06:51Some things you can't change in a building,
06:52but you can change the locker room
06:53and the makeup of that,
06:54and they did a good job of building that.
06:55Is there a team circled on the schedule this year?
06:58First home game, week two, Cleveland.
06:59Miles Garrett wasn't drafted by John Dorsey,
07:01Elliott Wolfe, or Alonzo Highsmith.
07:03But he said change in the building, right?
07:07And not change in the locker room.
07:09He said the locker room was changed.
07:10Players are in the building.
07:11Guys not doing their part.
07:14I have no doubt that Elliott Wolfe,
07:16Alonzo Highsmith, and John Dorsey
07:18are trying to do their part.
07:19I have no doubt that Andrew Barry's
07:20trying to do his part.
07:21He might be wrong in the decisions he makes,
07:24but I think that he's trying to do his part.
07:26Well, I'm also trying to figure out
07:28like who came in afterwards.
07:30If the football guys were bringing in
07:31the football guy,
07:32the guys,
07:33then who's he talking about with Andrew Barry?
07:35Who did Andrew Barry bring in
07:37that clearly Baker was not a fan of?
07:39I remember that was the one off season
07:41where they brought in
07:43the two guys from the Rams
07:45who were Super Bowl winners,
07:46but did nothing here.
07:49Something Johnson.
07:50John Johnson.
07:51It's all speculative.
07:52It's all drama.
07:53It's all intrigue.
07:54I'm fully on.
07:54I'm full on admitting.
07:56I am looking for problems here.
07:57I understand that.
07:58I know I try not to be dramatic,
08:00but there's a drama to it.
08:02So let me go back to this.
08:03He says, well, week two.
08:05So immediately a lot of people sit there
08:06and think it's got to be Andrew Barry.
08:07It's got to be Andrew Barry.
08:08It's got to be Andrew Barry.
08:09It probably is
08:10because you chose Myles Garrett over me.
08:14You chose the guy who passed stats over.
08:17Again, I agree with Baker Mayfield.
08:20I would say he's talking about Jimmy Haslam
08:21more than he's talking about Myles Garrett.
08:23Jimmy Haslam tried to hand him the franchise.
08:25Jimmy Haslam gave him.
08:27He tried to hand him the franchise
08:28when he paid Deshaun Watson $230 million?
08:31He let him choose who the head coach was in 2019.
08:36And the head coach wasn't just bad.
08:38It was boobery.
08:42Like, I think he let John Dorsey choose
08:44who the head coach was.
08:45You, me, and Lima.
08:47He let Baker influence that.
08:48And he shouldn't have had any influence whatsoever.
08:50He was too young.
08:51He was only going into his second year in the NFL
08:54for crying out loud.
08:55So he's looking for people there.
08:57You, me, and Tone are outside people here.
08:59I don't think that Baker's totally blameless in this.
09:02I agree that there were some things going the right way.
09:04You're sitting there with Jarvis Landry.
09:05Jarvis Landry was a hell of a leader during his career.
09:08There were some things going the right way.
09:10And had cooler heads prevailed, including Baker's,
09:13we would be in a much better position than we are right now.
09:15We might still be frustrated,
09:16but I would much rather be in the situation
09:18of a Bills fan or a Chargers fan
09:21than I am of a Browns fan
09:22with our current situation right now.
09:25That's my point I'm trying to make.
09:27And you brought up stat padding last year.
09:30Why are we only watching this to get the stats?
09:32He set the record.
09:32Now it's like, well, I'm free and easy
09:34to go about the country now and go elsewhere.
09:36We got to help ourselves out as a football team
09:38so we make this move.
09:39And I wonder if he's looking back on this going,
09:42boy, you guys picked the wrong horse to ride.
09:45I mean, I got a team that's going into the playoffs
09:47every single year.
09:48Now, I wonder what Jason Light is thinking about that,
09:52but I just, I'm trying to put two and two together.
09:55I think that everybody shares some blame.
09:57Very rarely anybody wants to blame themselves.
09:59I don't think that Baker Mayfield would be so quick
10:02to blame himself on the situation
10:03and how it played out.
10:04I think he thinks he's doing just fine
10:06over there in Tampa Bay, down there in Tampa Bay.
10:08And I think he'd love to stick it to the Browns.
10:10I mean, good God, he made it up about Steve Wilks
10:11for crying out loud.
10:12Of course, he's going to try to stick it to us.
10:14Yeah, I don't know.
10:15It's like, DiPodesta was there already.
10:17I see people saying DiPodesta, but he was there.
10:20It's just his role, it was heavily bandied
10:23about the role change about DiPodesta
10:26once obviously John Dorsey left
10:29under a weird, weird cloud of mystery
10:33about what was going on
10:35other than was it another power struggle
10:38with Dorsey, something he had gone through
10:39in Kansas City?
10:40A lot of people are giving me
10:41how it could have been Deshaun Watson.
10:43He and Deshaun Watson were never
10:45in the same building together.
10:46No.
10:47They were for a month.
10:49I don't know.
10:50So he did not walk into that building.
10:52Deshaun might have, but Baker Mayfield never did.
10:56So that wasn't part of it.
10:58And then people are saying,
10:59I'm getting a lot of Odell.
11:00You're sitting right there with his best friend.
11:02I don't think he's going to throw
11:03his best friend under the bus.
11:04And Odell was a Dorsey move.
11:07Very well could have been Odell, though.
11:09Very well could have been Odell.
11:10Yeah, that was brokered at the combo.
11:11Yeah.
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