00:00I am not a cult leader.
00:03Good morning.
00:04Hey, Kenny.
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00:19I'm not a cult leader, which is the first thing cult leaders say.
00:23Did you, by the way, did you fight any fat cult leaders, Owen?
00:25I know you did some research.
00:27No, I found some that were cults against fat people.
00:31Oh, really?
00:31Oh, yeah.
00:32Oh, wow.
00:33Oh, jeez.
00:33Oh, gosh.
00:34I'll share more later.
00:35They probably have my photo X'd out on their walls.
00:38Oh, boy.
00:39It's just everyone in the YouTube trap.
00:41Oh, okay.
00:42I didn't realize that.
00:46So, you guys sit there because I'm glad you brought it up because it's the internet.
00:52I don't believe it's real life.
00:54Nobody in the streets has ever yelled at me about anything about Shador Sanders, told
01:01me I need to shut Lime up about Shador.
01:03Da-da-da.
01:03It's not happened.
01:05It's just not happened.
01:06It's not.
01:07The people I meet in east side, west side, south side, unlike your – it doesn't matter.
01:13They just, hey, when are the Browns going to win?
01:16Yeah, maybe I like Shador.
01:17Maybe I don't want Shador to win or Shador to get the job.
01:19Maybe I want Deshaun Watts to get the job.
01:22But it's never been anything like this.
01:24But fine, I'll play along with it.
01:26I'm being accused of being a cult leader because it's like, well, Kenny just has to have Shador.
01:30It can't be anybody but Shador.
01:32When have I said that Shador, I believe, is going to be the franchise quarterback of this team?
01:36I just don't want to rule out the possibility.
01:38And I don't think it's very highly likely to happen.
01:41Yeah, you've been consistent.
01:42If they still had Miles Garrett on this team, I could give you a stronger argument.
01:48The team moved on from the best player they have.
01:51They told you what they think.
01:53I don't give a damn.
01:54You can try to spin it any way you can, and I don't – don't even try to turn it
01:58into a Jared Verse thing.
02:00I'm not trying to be a negative person about Jared Verse.
02:03I think he's a fine player.
02:04But they told you what they think, so I have to accept that, all right?
02:09But when it comes to this, like, no, I'm not going to sit here and try to lie to everybody
02:17about what I think Shador Sanders can and can't do,
02:19considering I think the NFL – the football team that he plays for doesn't think that he can do exceptional
02:24things.
02:25However, let me say this.
02:26Let me say this.
02:27I think the Shador Sanders fans have a point.
02:31Because a lot of this stuff – if I'm just looking at the social media stuff, which my computer's off
02:35right now.
02:36If I'm just looking at the social media stuff right now, you know, they've – if you are a Shador
02:41Sanders fan, you're dropping in on the Browns, right?
02:44You have heard and you have argued about a lot of personal attacks about his character.
02:52Why did he fall to the fifth round?
02:53This, that, and the other.
02:54And there have been so many different reasons to the point where I think some people have just made him
02:59up.
03:00It can't all be made up.
03:02I don't know why the NFL would have a vendetta against him for him to fall to the fifth round.
03:05But if you're a Shador Sanders fan, if you're one of the people that have the Buffalo thing in their
03:10profile and, you know, got the wrists up and all that stuff,
03:14I got to tell you, I think you got a point when we are falling over ourselves and jumping over
03:20every hoop – well, that was four years ago.
03:23Ah, that was gambling four years ago.
03:24Well, you know, I mean, that's a Cincinnati problem.
03:27That's not really his problem.
03:28You know, I mean, you listen to the agent saying these things.
03:31Oh, let's put that on Cincinnati.
03:33He goes to church every day.
03:34I'm sorry, did Shador Sanders not attend a baptismal ceremony recently?
03:40Does Shador Sanders not talk about reading scripture every single day?
03:44I mean, wouldn't we sit here and talk about church?
03:46Yeah, I don't know how many girlfriends he's had.
03:47I don't know about that either.
03:49And I don't really care how many girlfriends Brendan Sorsby's had.
03:51I don't care how many girlfriends Shador Sanders had.
03:53You get what I'm saying here?
03:54Oh, 100%.
03:55I totally get it.
03:56I totally do.
03:57Maybe I can be accused of trying to sit on a fence because I don't go out of my way
04:01to piss everybody off.
04:02I do try to meet some people halfway.
04:04I do try to be amenable about this.
04:06We got into it last week about this with a totally different entity, and you brought it up on the
04:10show.
04:10And we had a lot of fun at my expense.
04:12You had a lot of fun at that.
04:13But let me break it down again.
04:15I look at this whole thing.
04:17I go, I got to tell you, there's some people making some points going, man, I'm seeing everybody just make
04:21every single excuse on the book they can for this guy.
04:24And on the other end of it, it's like, oh, no, we can't have him.
04:27Well, we've had 40 quarterbacks, but we can't give him the time of day.
04:31No, no, no, no, we can't do that.
04:32Why?
04:33Because you got into an argument with bots on the internet?
04:36No, come on.
04:37Yeah, well, what would have been interesting is if Shador would have been in the supplemental draft, where he would
04:43have gone, would he have gone higher than fifth round?
04:46Probably.
04:47I bet you he would have.
04:48I bet he would have.
04:48And because he would have been the only quarterback.
04:50You're right.
04:50And then the process wouldn't have been as long.
04:54And let's be clear.
04:55Like, if you said, well, we'll never know why he dropped so much.
04:59I mean, I think I know why.
05:00I think they mangled the draft process.
05:02I think they thought that there was a higher feeling about where he could go.
05:08He had a better evaluation.
05:11And they decided to go their own way, which some guys can do.
05:14Some guys can get away with it.
05:15Yeah.
05:15He could not.
05:17And they misjudged what the market was.
05:20And they didn't think they had to do all the meetings.
05:23They didn't think they had to put together whatever, one-on-ones or answer certain questions.
05:28And so they, unfortunately for them and his camp, they got into a bad spot.
05:35He got dropped to the fifth.
05:36Now, with that said, him getting dropped to the fifth for all the victim stuff that I hear from them.
05:41He also got seven starts last year when he was the fourth string on a terrible football team.
05:46That's amazing.
05:46That is there.
05:47Most fifth-round picks do not get seven starts and don't get that opportunity.
05:50But let me tell you how I see it, too, because you mentioned mangled the draft process.
05:53What's worse than mangling a draft process?
05:56Some bad interviews with some guys, allegedly?
05:59Or, I don't know, making a whole bunch of bets?
06:02Having to go to do, admit to having a problem?
06:06Having to go to rehab over it?
06:08And we don't even know whether or not he means it or not.
06:10I mean, you brought that up an hour ago.
06:12And then having your agent go on the radio, say all these things that makes people not like you more.
06:17Oh, by the way, also having the entirety of college football go after you and the school you're planning to
06:22play for.
06:23I don't know.
06:24Having to go to court over whether or not you can play in that final year.
06:29Also, facing suspension, whether it be in college football, whether it be in the NFL.
06:33Shador Sanders, I don't believe, has been suspended at either level.
06:36So, what to me is worse when it comes to mangling the process?
06:40Well, if anything, I actually think this is working out perfectly for Brendan Sorsby right now on a short time
06:45frame.
06:46And maybe it is.
06:46And at the end of all this...
06:47And that's why I said that.
06:48I think if there were a supplemental, I think Shador would have benefited from it.
06:52And at the end of all this, as I've said all these things, I know at the end of it,
06:56it's, well, if Brendan Sorsby's the better quarterback and he's far and away the better quarterback, then that's what ends
07:02all this conversation.
07:03I know that going in.
07:04I just look at this situation and I go, hey, man, I've rolled my eyes at some things here over
07:11the last year.
07:12And the arguments made with Browns quarterbacks and Shador and Deshaun and some of the things...
07:16And mute it a lot.
07:17But when I see some of this stuff going, wait a minute, why are we bending over backwards making every
07:22excuse...
07:22Not even you, Ian, you haven't even done...
07:24Why are we bending over backwards making every excuse in the book for this guy when I'm being told that
07:29Shador Sanders is just one of the worst of the worst here?
07:31It doesn't compute to me either.
07:33And so, let me just point it out.
07:35It's not about finding anybody.
07:37And this is what I don't like about it.
07:38I don't want Deshaun Watson to play quarterback for the Browns.
07:42I want to give Shador Sanders a chance.
07:44Yeah, it's competition.
07:45Let's go.
07:45But I'll tell you this.
07:46But I'll tell you this.
07:47I'm in no hurry to replace him just because I don't think that either one is the franchise quarterback.
07:52I want to get through this year and find the very best QB because, again, that guy is going to
07:58be tasked with something that's even more than what Baker Mayfield was tasked with back in the day.
08:04But I'll tell you, Kenny, neither of these guys in the room right now, any of them,
08:08none of them are factoring into whether I go after – they're not good enough.
08:12Like, neither of them have proven to be good enough.
08:14None of them at this stage because of all the injuries and the bad play for Watson and for Shador.
08:20He just didn't play well enough and doesn't have the traits.
08:22You know what I'm going to tell you.
08:23Now, the thing is, Shador – Shador, like, everybody keeps posting this image of Shador and the Buffaloes beating one
08:30-on-one Cincinnati.
08:31It's like, well, evaluators don't care about that.
08:34Like, that's the last thing they're doing is, well, case closed.
08:37We didn't do this – you didn't do this, but there was a lot of the side-by-side of
08:41the game with Baker Mayfield against Patrick Mahomes.
08:43Which is stupid.
08:44Yeah, it's all dumb.
08:44Okay, as long as you want to call that stupid.
08:46That's not – maybe if it were a verbatim – maybe if it were a tie and it was one
08:51game in a playoff setting.
08:53But there's so many other factors.
08:55And in this case, like, there's no doubt Shador had a better college career than what Soresby did.
09:01Nobody's questioning that.
09:02We don't draft guys just based on what career they had in college.
09:06If that was the case, you know, Charlie Ward would have been the number one overall pick way back in
09:10the day.
09:11You know, I'm in Nebraska.
09:12Tommy Frazier would have been number one overall pick.
09:14We don't do that because that's irrelevant.
09:16Eric Crouch.
09:17Eric Crouch.
09:18We all know that Shador had a better career than Brendan Soresby.
09:22But you're not drafting guys just on what they accomplished in college.
09:25You're looking at traits.
09:27That's true.
09:27You're not seeing who can you develop.
09:29And if Soresby, in the third round of a supplemental, is sitting there and you can grab him and have
09:36him in your building for a year with your quarterback whisperer, Todd Munkin, and whatever else,
09:42that if you feel good about your organization in that setting and you feel good about the coaches you've assembled,
09:49then how do you not investigate it?
09:51I just don't want to make the terrible mistake of, well, he's better than what we have.
09:54Better than what we have is still not great.
09:56We have the worst quarterback room in the NFL.
09:58What does that mean?
09:59So when we say the better, because I see it all the time, well, he's better than what we have.
10:03It doesn't matter.
10:03Baker was better than what we had, and you just wanted to move on from anybody but Baker.
10:06And that's, not you, but that's why, well, actually you did want to move on from Baker.
10:09Well, the following year, he wasn't better than what anybody had.
10:11He was the worst quarterback in the league.
10:12But I don't want to go and just keep doubling down on mistakes just because of our own history.
10:17If I take Soresby, if I take Manning, if I take Moore, if I take Julian Sane, any of them,
10:23I want to compare him to the other young quarterbacks in the NFL who are doing well.
10:26Are they better than that guy?
10:28And then can I see them in five years being Joe Burrow without the injuries, Josh Allen?
10:34Can I see that?
10:35And Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are almost unrealistic.
10:37Mahomes is pretty unrealistic for a lot of folks.
10:40The Zach Wilson stuff really has scarred me.
10:43But can he be...
10:44And those are the guys he's being compared to.
10:46Can I look at him being a top-end quarterback?
10:47He is actually physically...
10:48He's being compared to Caleb Williams, Patrick Mahomes, and Zach Wilson.
10:52Boy, that's the gamut.
10:53That's the NFL.
10:53Welcome to the NFL.
10:55That's how we do this.
10:55In our case, we end up on the third one instead of the other two.
10:58Usually in our case.
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