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The Lok Sabha witnessed a major uproar on Wednesday after Opposition Leader Rahul Gandhi accused the government of using pellet guns against students protesting in Delhi over the anti-NEET paper leak agitation.
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00:03Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Sawant, leader of opposition in Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi.
00:09Today up the ante. He demanded Union Home Minister Amit Shah's resignation for the use of pellet gun on protesters
00:15in Delhi,
00:16accusing the Home Minister of authorising it. The BJP hit right back, accusing Rahul Gandhi of not having facts
00:24and trying to sensationalise a very sensitive issue.
00:28For the past two days, today and yesterday, the Lok Sabha debated the Public Examination Prevention of Unfair Means Amendment
00:37Bill 2026.
00:39Now, this is a crucial legislation aimed at dismantling that paper leak mafia and protecting the future of millions of
00:47students in India.
00:48The bill passed by voice word, but in this political din, the bill has been reduced to a mere footnote.
00:55But what are some of the crucial points?
00:57Individuals found guilty of paper leaks, impersonation, organised cheating or tampering with the examination system,
01:06they can face up to 10 years in prison and a fine that can extend up to 10 crore rupees,
01:14especially in cases involving organised crime syndicates, institutions and entities.
01:20A company that may be barred from five years, from four years right now, that bar extends to eight years.
01:28Now, this bill also authorises the recovery of cost of conducting those examinations from those found guilty,
01:35attach proceeds generated through the crime and hold the masterminds, the middlemen and the organised networks accountable.
01:44But unfortunately, much of the debate was not about the legislation at all.
01:51The Lok Sabha witnessed sharp political exchanges, unsubstantiated allegations being levelled and were very bitter points scored.
02:00Leader of opposition Rahul Gandhi devoted a substantial part of his 15-minute long speech to the July 20 student
02:07protest in the police crackdown on the protesters.
02:10Rahul Gandhi accused the home minister of authorising the use of pellet guns on protesters and this drew a very
02:17sharp response from the treasury benches.
02:19In fact, Union Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiran Rajiju repeatedly stood up to say Rahul Gandhi should either substantiate his charges
02:27or apologise.
02:29In his response, Minister of State in the Prime Minister's office, Dr. Jeetendra Singh, he insisted bullets were not fired
02:36and that only tear gas shells had been used to disperse the crowd outside Parliament.
02:41Now, two hours after he wasn't able to complete his speech in Parliament, Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi, he held
02:49a press conference.
02:50And then he escalated his attack, saying there are only two possibilities.
02:55He insisted either the home minister had ordered the action against the protesters or he was unaware of what happened.
03:02And either ways, Rahul Gandhi says the home minister should step down.
03:07Now, this political confrontation has once again put the spotlight on the use of pellet guns as non-lethal crowd
03:15control measures.
03:17An official General Diary entry or the GD entry in the police records marks the rapid action force using a
03:27pellet gun.
03:28And that's been accessed by India today.
03:30Records that anti-right guns fired non-lethal plastic pellets during the July 20 crowd control operation.
03:38The Delhi police, however, had earlier dismissed reports of pellet guns being used, saying they do not use pellet guns
03:44and that this report was misleading.
03:47A CRPF post-event assessment is examining the exact sequence of events.
03:53Now, in the end, a law that's meant to prevent the next paper leak, that law has been passed.
03:59But will it prevent paper leaks or only punish those who are involved?
04:04The debate was dominated by allegations and counter-allegations, politics, with remarkably little discussion on the provisions of the law
04:11itself.
04:12Our political bureau gets you a top story on India First.
04:28Pellets. Politics. That was the headline from Lok Sabha today during the day two of the debate on the public
04:34examinations amendment bill 2026.
04:38The crucial legislation, aimed at curbing paper leaks and securing the future of students, was passed by voice note.
04:50But not before the house, they send it into chaos.
04:56He is the home minister, sir.
05:01Sir, sit down.
05:05I saw the home minister.
05:08Sir, the home minister.
05:09Leader of the opposition, Rahul Gandhi, launched a blistering attack on the government, accusing home minister Ramit Shah of ordering
05:17pellet fire on protesting students.
05:19An allegation that triggered immediate protest from the treasury benches.
05:26And I am very happy today to see that the so-called home minister of this country
05:38does not have the courage to come and sit here.
05:43He put pellets into the blood of our students.
05:48He ordered the students of India to be shot.
05:54The government hid back instantly.
05:57Parliamentary affairs minister Kiran Rajiju challenged Rahul Gandhi to either substantiate the allegations or apologize to the house.
06:31M.O.S. PMO. Jitendra Singh also rejected the charges.
06:35Insisting that no bullets were fired and that security forces had used only tear smoke to disperse the crowd.
07:04Even the speaker drew the red line, cautioning Rahul Gandhi against making allegations that were not backed by evidence.
07:34The government was fired.
07:40Akhilesh Yadav rallied behind Rahul, even as the government continued to demand an apology
07:46from the leader of opposition.
08:15However, Rahul Gandhi stood by his remarks.
08:40If he didn't know it was happening, he's incompetent, and if he ordered it, he's culpable.
08:49So where does the evidence stand?
08:52India today accessed an official general diary entry of the Rapid Action Force, which
08:57records that two rounds from anti-riot guns loaded with non-lethal plastic pellets were
09:03fired during the July 28th Sonsat Chalo march on the directions of a Delhi police DCP.
09:12Earlier, India today had also accessed medical records of injured protesters that documented
09:18wounds consistent with pellet strikes.
09:21For hours, parliament debated pellets, police action and politics.
09:27But quite sadly, no time was actually spent discussing or debating a legislation meant to
09:34stop paper leaks and protect the future of millions of students.
09:45I quickly want to cut across to India today's Maasmi Singh, who now joins us with the latest
09:51on this big story.
09:52Maasmi, Rahul Gandhi says he wasn't allowed to speak in parliament.
09:57He held a long press conference.
09:58You put a question to him.
10:08So clearly, you know, Gaurav, in a reply to my question, Rahul Gandhi seems to be saying
10:16that this is a non-negotiable demand.
10:18He's pressing for the resignation of the home minister.
10:22Earlier, we had seen that they were demanding a statement.
10:25So clearly, after Dharmendra Pradhan, which is the second minister, within a week, where
10:31Rahul Gandhi says that the home minister must go.
10:34The big question really is that how is the Congress really going to take up this fight?
10:39Now the discussion on the bill is over.
10:41The monsoon session is on.
10:42They've also asked for an inquiry, independent inquiry, monitored by the Supreme Court.
10:49So all these questions are there.
10:52Perhaps we'll see what happens tomorrow because the ruling party is also offering the answer
10:58against Rahul Gandhi, alleging that business claims have been made.
11:02Oh, absolutely.
11:03They say either substantiate or apologize.
11:05Rahul Gandhi says he will never apologize to the BJP or the RSS.
11:09But is this just the Congress party stance or is the opposition rallying around the Congress
11:15or united on this issue of demanding the union home minister's resignation, Morsfi?
11:22So one will have to wait and see because I haven't heard from the other opposition leaders
11:28really demanding a resignation.
11:30So Rahul Gandhi, perhaps from the turn of events that happened today,
11:35saying that he's authorized the use of gunshots and he's repeated that thing
11:41in the press conference as well, that the home minister authorized the use
11:46and it was under him that the students were shot at.
11:50So one will have to wait and see whether the Samaj Wadi party,
11:53Atnish Yadam, did say on the floor of the House that if Amit Shah didn't order,
11:58who did order, you can amplify and give us an answer to that.
12:02And he just clearly said that what you're saying and what Rahul Gandhi is saying is different.
12:07But at large, there was a question being asked from the home minister
12:10over the entire country ministry, Gaurav.
12:14And now Rahul Gandhi is gone a step further, saying that Amit Shah must resign
12:18and he must go.
12:20So without even, you know, perhaps getting an answer from the government
12:26over what transpired, there hasn't been any report that's been cabled in the parliament
12:31or the home minister giving a statement.
12:33So one will have to wait and see a political storm.
12:36Perhaps how long are we trying to take that forward?
12:40Okay, we'll track this story very closely.
12:42Most of you for the moment, many thanks for joining me.
12:44Lead row for opposition, Rahul Gandhi, very clearly upping the ante.
12:47Now taking it to the level of the home minister's resignation earlier,
12:52it was a statement, now a resignation.
12:55Claiming that it was the home minister who cleared the use of pellet guns
12:57since both the Delhi police and the Central Reserve police force,
13:01of which the rapid action force is a part of, report to the home minister.
13:05The BJP is accusing Rahul Gandhi of speaking without facts
13:08only to sensationalize a very sensitive issue.
13:12And the public examination prevention of unfair means amendment Bill 2026
13:16that was cleared by Lok Sabha, by voice vote,
13:18was actually reduced to being just a mere footnote
13:20of a very volatile political debate.
13:24So let's now throw it open to our political guests and experts.
13:26Joining me on India first is Yashavarda Razad,
13:28former special secretary of the Intelligence Bureau.
13:30He incidentally is a co-petitioner in a very major case,
13:35a case, a petition that's been filed in the Supreme Court
13:37that seeks an absolute ban on the use of pellet guns
13:40as a crowd control measure.
13:43Amitabh Dubey is the national spokesperson of the Congress Party.
13:45Welcome, Sanju Verma, national spokesperson of the BJP.
13:48Welcome, Sanju Verma, leader of opposition,
13:51says only the home minister or the prime minister
13:54can authorize the use of pellet guns.
13:57In parliament, he said the home minister is scared,
14:00making that gesture.
14:02He authorized the shooting of our students.
14:05He put pellets into the blood of our students.
14:08He ordered students of India be shot.
14:11So he is either incompetent if he was unaware
14:14or he authorized it.
14:16Respond, ma'am.
14:17You know, Gaurav, let me take the opportunity
14:20through your show to inform Rahul Gandhi
14:23and the Dharbari ecosystem.
14:29They do not take any decision under political compulsion.
14:34They are guided by the philosophy of greatest good
14:36of the greatest number.
14:40This is the same Amit Shah
14:42who abrogated Article 370 after 69 years
14:46and there was not a single incident of violence.
14:48This is the same Amit Shah
14:50who ended naxalism after 59 years
14:53and Rahul Gandhi and his Dharbari ecosystem
14:55did not have the decency to even applaud the union home minister
15:00for ending naxalism,
15:01which has been the bane of even Congress-ruled states.
15:04This is the same Amit Shah
15:06who ended instant triple talaq
15:08after 72 long years.
15:10And this is the same Amit Shah
15:12who ended the land grab under the guise of Waqf
15:18by bringing in the Waqf Amendment Act in 2025
15:21after 30 long years.
15:24So Amit Shah ko nasihat dena
15:26Rahul Gandhi ke bas ki baat nahi hai.
15:29But let's get to the moot point.
15:31I have been on a zillion debates, Gaurav.
15:33I was there on your show last week too.
15:36Do I endorse an AK-47
15:39being pointed at student protesters?
15:42No.
15:43Do I endorse the use of pellet guns?
15:46No.
15:46But the limited point is this.
15:49Before generalizing the use of pellet guns,
15:52please understand that the policeman
15:54who pointed an AK-47 at protesters in Bihar
15:58has been suspended
15:59and a notice has been sent to six states,
16:03the chief secretaries of six states
16:05to answer about the use of pellet guns.
16:08Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh,
16:10Karnataka, Bihar, Bengal, Assam, Delhi.
16:14Ye chhyeh saath Rajyoh ke chief secretaries
16:17ko kaha gaya hai
16:18that please tell us why pellet guns were used
16:21and the Supreme Court has said
16:22that it will form an independent committee
16:25once it hears
16:25from the chief secretaries of these states.
16:28But by final point, Gaurav,
16:29why is it that Rahul Gandhi
16:31has not once spoken
16:32about ACP Rivek Bhagat,
16:35the assistant commissioner of police
16:36of Karnataka,
16:37who was hounded and beaten up
16:39and grievously injured
16:41and fighting for his life in ICU?
16:43Kya a policeman ki
16:44aur jo vardi pehnta hai
16:46uski jaan ki koi kiemat nahi hai?
16:48Rahul Gandhi ki a...
16:49I'll put that to Amitab Dubey.
16:50What?
16:50I'll put that to Amitab Dubey.
16:52I've got your first intervention
16:53without interruption.
16:54Same goes to Amitab Dubey.
16:57Amitab Dubey, parliamentary affairs minister.
16:59Kiran Rijiju asked on what basis
17:01is Rahul Gandhi making this allegation
17:04or charge that Home Minister
17:05authorised the use of pellet guns?
17:07Rijiju says,
17:08how can you say somebody ordered the firing?
17:11Is there evidence?
17:12Is it a breach of his own position and privilege?
17:15Respond to that, sir.
17:17So, you know, today,
17:18Gaurav is Guru Purnima
17:20and it is real sad
17:21that on such a day,
17:23issues of students
17:24were not allowed to be raised in parliament
17:25and that the LOP was browned out
17:27and prevented from talking
17:28and presenting his entire agenda
17:30and therefore he had to do a press conference
17:32to put his points forward.
17:33Let us remember that
17:35everything that my friend from the BJP said
17:38is an attempt to distract
17:39from the main issue.
17:41And what is the main issue?
17:42That on the 20th of July,
17:44pellet guns were used against India's students.
17:48Shock sticks were used against those students.
17:52Sticks with nails allegedly
17:54were used against those students.
17:55And I don't need to remind you,
17:56Gaurav in particular,
17:58when the last time sticks with nails
18:00were used on Indian soil
18:01by a foreign power.
18:02So the question is,
18:03is the MHA at war with India's students?
18:06It's very clear that
18:07the Delhi police reports
18:09to the Minister of Home Affairs,
18:11the MHA,
18:12the RAF is part of CRPF,
18:15reports to the MHA,
18:16and not a single thing can move,
18:18not a blade of grass can move
18:20in Delhi without the Home Minister,
18:22the so-called Iron Man,
18:24who apparently loses complete control
18:26whenever something important happens.
18:28He's supposed to be the strong figure
18:29who runs everything.
18:31And yet, even these things
18:32in the national capital,
18:33apparently he has nothing to do with.
18:35So the BJP specializes,
18:38you know, this maneuver,
18:39avoiding accountability at all costs
18:41and offering your opinion
18:42as if you are op-ed writers,
18:44saying, oh, this is unfortunate,
18:45that is unfortunate.
18:46The opinion doesn't matter.
18:48Accountability matters.
18:49We've had 339 children detained.
18:52AK-47 firing has, of course, happened.
18:55And let us remember what the MHA's actions were.
18:59Jitendra Singh Ji and the MHA first denied
19:01the use of pellet guns.
19:03Then it turned out that the RAF
19:04had actually put in its report
19:06and that DCP North had approved
19:08the use of pellet guns.
19:10DCP New Delhi had approved
19:11the use of pellet guns.
19:12And a young man, Sahel Locha,
19:1419-year-old,
19:15is going to possibly lose his eyesight.
19:16The moment he completes
19:17his initial intervention,
19:18didn't interrupt you,
19:19would let him complete
19:20and then I'll come to you
19:20once I bring in Mr. Yashivardan Azad.
19:22Go on, Mr. Dubey,
19:23complete your point.
19:23Yeah, so my point is that
19:25the government has always
19:26tried to deny something
19:27and then the information comes out
19:28that actually it had been approved.
19:30So there is no sense of trust
19:31in either Mr. Amit Shah
19:33or the people who are
19:34asking for due process here
19:36which is why we are making
19:37a political demand
19:38that accountability
19:39should end with him.
19:40He's the man responsible.
19:42He claims to be in total control
19:43of the country's situation.
19:45So he's answerable.
19:46Fair enough.
19:47Yashivardan Azad,
19:48I will come to your petition
19:50on seeking a ban
19:52on use of pellet guns
19:53as non-lethal
19:54crowd control
19:55or right control methods
19:57in just a moment, sir.
19:58But, you know,
19:59your long and distinguished
20:00police service
20:01and intelligence agencies
20:02where you work,
20:04does the home minister
20:05authorize the use of pellet guns
20:07or is it an officer on ground?
20:10Is it a magistrate level officer?
20:14What is the legal position
20:15on this, sir?
20:17No, it's very clear
20:18that the order to use
20:19any right control weapon
20:22is given by the officer in charge
20:25who's on the ground.
20:26And that's why in this case
20:27it's the DCP.
20:28I'll just explain to you in a minute.
20:30And it'll become very clear.
20:32You see,
20:33Delhi police does not have
20:34pellets in his armory,
20:36shotgun, pump action.
20:38It is the RAF
20:40which specializes in crowd control,
20:42which is the part of the CRPF
20:44which has pellet guns.
20:46And therefore,
20:47in this particular case,
20:49in fact,
20:49Delhi police also wouldn't know
20:50by routine,
20:52as a routine measure,
20:53somebody got the pellet gun here.
20:56And when the situation,
20:57whatever that situation was
20:59at that particular time,
21:00somebody said,
21:01and has to be a senior officer,
21:03on whose orders this was fired.
21:05Now, this is an issue on ground.
21:08But the pellet guns have not been banned,
21:11despite the fact that after 2010
21:15and the use in 2016,
21:18there was a huge cry,
21:20outcry.
21:21And everyone was saying
21:23that we should find alternatives.
21:25Now,
21:25Mokul Rohdugi,
21:26the attorney general in 217,
21:29said that we are looking
21:31for an alternative
21:32which is very, very safe.
21:33In 2016,
21:35the MHA also said
21:36that we have defined an SOP
21:39and this is the second last resort.
21:41In 2012,
21:42also,
21:43there were alternatives sought for.
21:44And Mr. Rajnath Singh,
21:45in 2016,
21:46again cleared
21:48the other
21:49riot control equipment.
21:51But,
21:51you know,
21:52that was used in 2016
21:54and yet in 2025,
21:56it was never used
21:57in Delhi or other places.
22:00And Delhi SOP
22:01says also
22:02that this is not mentioned
22:04in their
22:05great idea.
22:07So,
22:08that what has happened is
22:09that
22:10somebody brought by routine,
22:14and the DCP
22:16on the spot said
22:17that this is exactly what has happened.
22:20Fair enough.
22:21Amitabh Dubey,
22:22in Parliament,
22:23MOS PMO,
22:24Dr. Jitendra Singh,
22:25he was using
22:26Gen Z language.
22:28He accused
22:28Rahul Gandhi
22:29of being MIA,
22:31missing in action
22:32initially
22:32and then
22:33it was FOMO
22:35as he put it,
22:36fear of missing out
22:37that he protested
22:38outside
22:38Seven Lokal Yan Marq
22:41and that BJP says
22:43Rahul Gandhi is now
22:44trying to sensationalize
22:45issues without facts.
22:48So,
22:49first let me just
22:50make a point
22:51that Mr.
22:52I add to what Mr. Azad
22:53was saying
22:53is that
22:53while the use of pellet guns
22:55may be a tactical
22:56on the ground decision,
22:57the policy to facilitate
22:59that as an option
23:00lies with the MHA.
23:02So,
23:02it's a political decision
23:03that the officer on the ground
23:04even has that as an option.
23:06You don't see pellet guns
23:07being used in other situations.
23:08I've seen them be used
23:09in Jammu and Kashmir
23:10in 2010,
23:112012,
23:122016.
23:13Correct.
23:14So, the decision
23:14to make it an option
23:16in the Delhi protests
23:17is a policy decision as well.
23:21So,
23:21what was the second question?
23:23Fair enough,
23:24it was FOMO.
23:25So,
23:25Rahul Gandhi,
23:26it was FOMO.
23:26He was MIA
23:27and now it's FOMO.
23:28Yeah.
23:28So, the BJP's
23:29been having a difficult time
23:31appealing to Gen Z
23:32in their language.
23:33We saw Mr. Modi's
23:34embarrassing videos.
23:35We've seen that
23:36even more ridiculous
23:38video that the BJP
23:39put out
23:40where a millennial
23:41is explaining to Gen Z
23:42why they should be
23:43not protesting.
23:45The issue is not
23:46FOMO and MIA.
23:47The issue is
23:48that there was
23:49a student protest.
23:50The student protest
23:51was going on.
23:51It has its own dynamic.
23:53The frontal organizations
23:54of the Congress Party,
23:55NSUI,
23:56Youth Congress
23:57were also involved.
23:58They have their own campaigns,
23:59Chhatro Ki Goonj,
24:00and they were supporting
24:01the students.
24:02The Seva Dal
24:03was also on the ground
24:04supporting the students.
24:05The Congress Party
24:06took a political judgment
24:07that at that point,
24:08for us to barge in
24:09was not the right thing
24:11to do.
24:11We did change our stance
24:13when the students
24:15were attacked.
24:16That's when we changed
24:17our stance
24:18and took a more direct role
24:20because of the attacks
24:21on the students.
24:22Fair enough.
24:22Sanju Verma,
24:23Rahul Gandhi says
24:24the home minister
24:25needs to go.
24:26He cites instances
24:27and as does Amitab
24:29on the use of
24:30lathees with nails,
24:32policemen in plain clothes
24:34still waving their batons
24:36and the use of pellet guns.
24:37He says
24:38he actually raised this issue
24:39in a letter
24:40with the home minister,
24:41let alone response
24:42to the leader of opposition.
24:44There wasn't even
24:45an acknowledgement, ma'am.
24:47You know, Gaurav,
24:48now I want uninterrupted time
24:50because I heard Mr. Dubek.
24:52For the benefit
24:53of your viewers,
24:54I will take 10 seconds
24:55to expose
24:56the hypocrisy
24:57of Rahul Gandhi
24:58who is a failed product
24:59who's been resurrected
25:01time and again.
25:02I learned during my NBA days
25:04that the best service
25:05you can do
25:05to a failed product
25:06is to take it
25:07off its shelf,
25:09to take it off the shelf.
25:10Now listen to this.
25:12This is authentic data.
25:14I'm not endorsing
25:15the use of pellet guns
25:16but I will not allow
25:18Rahul Gandhi
25:19and his darbaris
25:20to get away
25:20with falsehoods
25:21and agenda peddling.
25:24In the protests,
25:25yes, there were potential
25:26criminals,
25:28there were people
25:29who had criminal antecedents,
25:32there were history sheeters
25:33and there were
25:34professional
25:34andolan GVs
25:36but be that as it may,
25:37let data speak aloud.
25:39People with murder charges
25:41in the protests
25:42at Jantar Mantar 101
25:44attempt to murder
25:4562 people,
25:46decoity cases
25:47284,
25:48rape cases
25:4961 people,
25:51POXO
25:516 people,
25:53molestation cases
25:5425 people,
25:55people under
25:56arms act
25:57who have been convicted
25:58but are out on bail
25:59229,
26:01people involved
26:02in kidnapping cases
26:0319,
26:04people involved
26:05in snatching cases
26:06135,
26:08people being investigated
26:09for violating
26:10NDPS act
26:1167
26:12and people who are facing
26:14some kind of
26:15FIR or prosecution
26:17under various sections
26:18of IPC and BNS
26:211884.
26:262,873 people
26:28who were there
26:29at Jantar Mantar
26:31had criminal antecedents,
26:33were murderers,
26:34rapists
26:35who were out on bail
26:36but I have not seen
26:38and not with any offense
26:39to you,
26:40Gaurav.
26:40You want to ask
26:41Sanju Verma
26:42about the use
26:42of pellet guns?
26:43I have responded.
26:45Why is mainstream media
26:46not asking the fact
26:47that the police force
26:49was also hounded,
26:51thrashed,
26:52beaten up.
26:53There is a SGO
26:53in Bihar
26:55who has lost his eye.
26:56You want to talk
26:57about Sahil?
26:58I have my empathy
26:59and compassion
27:00with Sahil
27:01but why not talk
27:02about that Bihar policeman
27:03who was attacked
27:04by people who pretended
27:05to be student protesters?
27:08Will Mr. Dubey
27:09Ma'am, on India first
27:09we've raised his story also.
27:11On India today
27:12we did
27:12and we will continue
27:14to raise this.
27:15Mr. Dubey
27:16Okay, fair enough.
27:17Your question is to Mr. Dubey.
27:19Mr. Dubey
27:19you want to respond
27:20to that why no sympathy
27:21for policemen
27:23who were injured
27:23in stone pelting
27:25by rioters
27:25is the question
27:26that Sanju Verma
27:27puts to you
27:28in case you want to
27:28respond to it directly, sir.
27:30Yeah, no, no.
27:30There is no question
27:31that any attack
27:32on a policeman
27:33is completely unacceptable
27:35while they are
27:35carrying out their duties
27:36or otherwise in fact
27:37and no responsible party
27:39will ever say
27:40that this is an acceptable
27:41thing to do.
27:41So that is to be assumed
27:42that we completely
27:43criticise that.
27:45We are also criticising
27:46the use of force
27:48against
27:49we have repeatedly
27:50made these statements
27:51that sort of thing.
27:51When Ms. Verma
27:53was reciting
27:54a list of so many
27:55criminals
27:56and alleged rapists
27:57and rapists
27:57I was confused
27:58I thought she was first
27:59talking about
27:59the BJP parliamentary party.
28:01Okay, one by one.
28:02One by one.
28:03Then I realised
28:04she was actually
28:05making a different point.
28:07So if these figures
28:09I have no idea
28:10what the source
28:10of her numbers are
28:11are true
28:11then we very much
28:12look forward
28:13to the prosecution
28:13of these hundreds
28:14of criminals
28:14who are wandering
28:15around Delhi
28:17freely.
28:18So I very much
28:19hope that she will
28:19follow this claim up
28:20with a report
28:21explaining how many
28:22of these murderers
28:23rapists and criminals
28:24the police have
28:25actually caught
28:25and investigated
28:27who are wandering
28:27on the streets in Delhi.
28:28directly put a question
28:28before I bring in
28:29Yashavardan Azad
28:30Sanju Verma
28:31you want to quickly
28:32respond to the list
28:33that you spoke of
28:34why is it that
28:35so many alleged
28:36murderers, rapists
28:38kidnappers
28:38are roaming around
28:39freely on the streets
28:40and in case the police
28:41saw them
28:42why were they not
28:43taken into custody
28:44how did the use
28:45of pellet guns
28:45prevent their activities?
28:48You know Gaurav
28:49I love this
28:50you know
28:51damned if you do
28:52damned if you don't
28:53when the police
28:54force asked
28:55many people
28:57who came in
28:57for the protest
28:58at Jantar Mantar
28:59what did CJP say?
29:02Aray police
29:03Aadhar Kaat
29:03the verification
29:04maang rahi hai
29:05the police
29:06we want you
29:07to hold a peaceful
29:08protest
29:09but don't
29:10brutalize anyone
29:11don't molest
29:12women
29:13Shifali Negan
29:14Jyoti Mishra
29:15Ravi Shranjan
29:16Dev Kotak
29:17who was earlier
29:18with India today
29:19these are media
29:20persons who were
29:21attacked and
29:21trashed by the
29:22protesters
29:23but who are you
29:24asking for the
29:25BJP
29:25why no
29:26questions to Rahul
29:27Gandhi
29:27who has been
29:28actually giving
29:29a free run
29:30to these goons
29:31and professional
29:32andolan
29:32DVs
29:33why doesn't
29:34the congress
29:35answer for
29:355000 people
29:37who were
29:37arrested
29:38in Keralam
29:40this is not
29:40Sanju Verma
29:41making a claim
29:42Tinaray
29:42Vijayan
29:43the former
29:43chief minister
29:44of Keralam
29:45says
29:455,000
29:46students
29:47Keralam
29:48Keralam
29:48have
29:49arrested
29:49without
29:50reason
29:50will Rahul
29:52Gandhi
29:52now respond
29:53to that
29:53I want
29:54to know
29:54why
29:55students
29:55were
29:55arrested
29:56in Keralam
29:57answer
29:57that
29:57do you have
29:58a response
29:59you want
30:00to level
30:00allegations
30:01with the BJP
30:01but when it
30:02comes to
30:03Keralam
30:03you say
30:04oh
30:04the Keralam
30:05police did it
30:06for the sake
30:06of law and order
30:07meaning
30:08you do it
30:09right
30:10BJP
30:10or the
30:11police
30:11do it
30:13I have to
30:15bring in
30:15Yashavardan Azad
30:16but since you
30:16raise a very
30:17pertinent point
30:18you raise a
30:18pertinent point
30:19I have to
30:20bring in
30:20Yashavardan Azad
30:21but Amitab
30:22you want to
30:22quickly respond
30:23to that
30:23one is about
30:24you know
30:25police action
30:25in other states
30:26the other is
30:27Jharkhand
30:28the BJP
30:29today is raising
30:30a question
30:30about prelims
30:31papers leaking
30:31and that's a
30:32very sensitive
30:33issue
30:33but since
30:35it's a
30:35congress ruled
30:36or congress
30:36JMM ruled
30:37state
30:37how come
30:38Jharkhand
30:39prelims paper
30:40isn't an issue
30:41with Rahul Gandhi
30:42so let me be
30:43clear
30:43there's
30:44firstly
30:44any unfair
30:45activity
30:46behavior
30:46towards students
30:47is not
30:47acceptable
30:47and I'm
30:48happy that
30:49the BJP
30:50is now
30:50citing the
30:51CPM
30:51in Kerala
30:52they're close
30:53friends to
30:53make this
30:54point
30:54but let me
30:56make the
30:56broader point
30:57the broader
30:58point is that
30:58there is
30:59systemic
31:00failure
31:00which is
31:01that the
31:02examination
31:02system
31:04in this
31:05country
31:05is very
31:06leaky
31:06for whatever
31:07reason
31:07this happens
31:08in the states
31:09it happened
31:09in Gujarat
31:10recently
31:11it's happened
31:11in Congress
31:12rule states
31:12also
31:13opposition
31:14please let me
31:15speak
31:15Sanju ji
31:17but the
31:18question is
31:19accountability
31:19we had the
31:20NTA set up
31:21we've had this
31:22entire centralization
31:23of education
31:24we've had this
31:25entire capture
31:26of education
31:27having been done
31:28by the central
31:28government
31:29and this is
31:29and this is why
31:29accountability
31:30lies first
31:31and foremost
31:32with the
31:32centre
31:32it doesn't
31:33mean that
31:33other people
31:33are not
31:34I want to
31:34bring in
31:34Yashow Ardhan
31:35Azad
31:35on this
31:36you know
31:37there is
31:38politics
31:38yes
31:39but Mr.
31:40Azad
31:40if in
31:41Jharkhand
31:42there are
31:42allegations
31:43that
31:43you know
31:44prelims
31:45papers
31:46of the
31:47Jharkhand
31:47Public Services
31:48Commission
31:48if they leak
31:49and the
31:49BJP
31:50there demands
31:50a CBI
31:51inquiry
31:51the Congress
31:52is silent
31:53the opposition
31:53is silent
31:54I'm sure
31:55students in
31:56Jharkhand
31:56are as
31:57important
31:57as students
31:57anywhere else
31:58in the
31:58country
31:58is this
31:59more about
31:59politics
32:00and less
32:01about a
32:01clean
32:02examination
32:02system
32:03even the
32:03Kokhral Janta
32:04Party
32:04for some
32:05reason
32:05is silent
32:06about
32:06Jharkhand
32:07no no
32:08absolutely
32:08I mean
32:09there is no
32:09question
32:09I tell you
32:10the exam
32:11system is
32:12leaking in
32:13almost every
32:14state
32:14and that is
32:15why when we
32:16are talking
32:16about a
32:17neat reform
32:17let me tell
32:18you
32:18unless the
32:19Prime Minister
32:20gets and
32:21interacts with
32:22each of the
32:23chief ministers
32:24you see
32:25the system
32:25has to be
32:26changed on
32:27ground
32:27and you know
32:28what is
32:29happening to
32:29the coaching
32:30mafia
32:30what is
32:31happening to
32:32those fraud
32:32exam centres
32:33where you
32:34know even
32:35some of the
32:35politicians
32:36want that
32:36their schools
32:37and colleges
32:38should remain
32:39as exam centres
32:40this is the
32:41reality on
32:41ground
32:42it is the
32:43teacher mafia
32:44which doesn't
32:45get transferred
32:45it is more
32:46difficult to
32:46transfer a
32:47teacher than
32:48a minister
32:48these are
32:49things which
32:50are happening
32:50across the
32:51states
32:52and that is
32:52why
32:53just having
32:54a committee
32:54is not
32:55enough
32:55you have
32:56to go
32:57deep into
32:57the system
32:58and unless
32:59you bring
33:00all chief
33:00ministers on
33:01board
33:01then it's
33:02going to be
33:02a problem
33:03because
33:03Jharkhand to
33:04Uttarakhand
33:05it's all
33:06the same
33:06and that is
33:07where our
33:08political parties
33:09whether it's
33:10the ruling
33:10party or the
33:11opposition
33:11and the
33:12protesters
33:13everyone needs
33:13to put their
33:14heads together
33:14for a cleaner
33:15system in our
33:16country
33:16everyone's
33:17resorting to
33:18point scoring
33:19and keeping
33:20quiet when it
33:21comes to
33:21their ruled
33:22states
33:23okay 30
33:24seconds
33:24just 30
33:25seconds that
33:25I have on
33:26this part of
33:26the show
33:26respond ma'am
33:28you know
33:29Gaurav I
33:29simply have
33:30this to
33:30say why
33:31the 42nd
33:32constitutional
33:33amendment of
33:331976
33:34education is
33:35in the
33:36concurrent list
33:36so states
33:37also have a
33:38same education
33:39and you blame
33:40the BJP for
33:41the neat
33:41leakage
33:42well and good
33:43we have been
33:43accountable
33:44and we have
33:45taken relevant
33:45steps
33:46but what about
33:47the paper leak
33:47in Telangar
33:48what about
33:49the Kuru
33:49paper leak
33:50in Karnataka
33:51what about
33:52the Prelims
33:53paper leak
33:53in Jharkhand
33:54where the
33:54congress
33:54shares power
33:55with J.M.N.
33:56what about
33:57the fact that
33:58Regan Freddy
33:58is the education
33:59minister and
34:00the chief
34:00minister of
34:01Telangar
34:01ma'am that's
34:02the point I'm
34:03trying to raise
34:03it's not about
34:04government or
34:05opposition it
34:05should be
34:06India first
34:07that is what
34:07this show
34:08is all about
34:09and I hope
34:09Sanju Verma
34:10Amitabh Dubey
34:11Yashu Varda
34:12Nazad
34:12ruling party
34:14opposition parties
34:15academics
34:16police
34:17legal system
34:18whoever needs
34:19to come together
34:19come together
34:20and have a
34:21system that
34:22is leak proof
34:23instead of
34:23political points
34:24scoring whether
34:25by the opposition
34:26or by the
34:27government and
34:27that's a story
34:28we'll be tracking
34:29very closely I
34:30want to thank
34:30all our guests
34:31I have to
34:32Pakistan occupied
34:33Jammu and
34:33Kashmir on the
34:35edge the
34:36situation is
34:36extremely volatile
34:37there Pakistan
34:39security forces
34:39have been firing
34:41virtually at
34:41point blank range
34:43at people who
34:44are protesting
34:44for their very
34:45basic rights
34:46now there are
34:47sham elections
34:48on rigged
34:49elections less
34:50than 10% voter
34:51turnout in the
34:52first phase and
34:53there are pictures
34:54that are viral
34:55of ballots just
34:56being stamped
34:57watch those
34:58images on your
34:58television screen
34:59for a moment I
35:00want to go full
35:01frame here's the
35:02natap of shooting
35:03that's taking
35:03place on a road
35:05in Ravlakot
35:05listen in
35:17occupied Jammu
35:19Kashmir for you
35:19that's Ravlakot
35:20bodies are lying
35:21on the street
35:23Pakistani security
35:24forces have
35:25opened fire
35:26on unarmed
35:27protestors
35:28you see those
35:29images the police
35:30personnel in plain
35:31clothes they just
35:32lift bodies and
35:34then dump them
35:35somewhere bodies
35:35are not even being
35:36returned to the
35:38next of kin and
35:39people are on the
35:40streets protesting
35:41they say they
35:42don't want sham
35:43elections in Pakistan
35:44occupied Jammu and
35:45Kashmir at least 30
35:47civilians 31 at the
35:48last count 31 have
35:49been killed 48 hours
35:51in the past 48 hours
35:52Pakistani forces have
35:54unleashed hell on the
35:56protesters seeking their
35:58rights reports say
35:59Pakistani security
36:00forces opened fire
36:01inside a masjid in the
36:05Mirpur Bilal masjid and
36:07the Moulana of that
36:09masjid he was shot dead
36:11in the head at point
36:12blank range Moulana
36:13in Ayatollah he was
36:15shot in the head
36:16the Avami joint
36:18action Avami committee
36:19that's spearheading the
36:21campaign for their
36:21rights they say
36:22Pakistan ka samai
36:24khatam they say
36:25apni zameen apna
36:27raj they will go to
36:29Muzaffarabad there's a
36:31Muzaffarabad chalo
36:32march they say even
36:33if one person is alive
36:35they will rise against
36:36Pakistan's general
36:37dyer that is
36:38Asim Munir in midst
36:40of all of this you
36:41have Pakistan's
36:42defence minister
36:42Khwaja Asif he's
36:45created a furor in
36:46Pakistan by saying
36:48people in
36:49Jammu Kashmir
36:50Pakistan occupied
36:51Jammu Kashmir
36:52they are behaving
36:53like India's agents
36:55like the enemy
36:56India
36:57listen
37:26and they will come to
37:35I don't think there will be a dialogue that I will say to you that I will bracket people with
37:45the people in the same room.
37:50foreign
37:58foreign
38:00foreign
38:01foreign
38:03India with Pakistan
38:04and India...
38:05That is the important thing
38:08that we need to do in the process.
38:09This is an important part.
38:10Yes, this is our biggest reports.
38:11It wasn't for us to have exactly reported that.
38:17Internet was banned for the 2020 election.
38:20There is an emergency plan
38:21that is not for the 1-2-3-8-4-6-7-4-6-8-7-8-9-7-8
38:23-3-6-2-3-8-7-8-9-9-9...
38:27and has a great question for us...
38:27So my at this point,
38:29your mind has been provided...
38:46foreign
38:47you are hearing voices on the ground the malvi was shot dead at a
39:17masjid at point blank range hundreds of protesters in pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir as they
39:22march from ravla court to muzaffarabad they're being shot dead at point blank range the police
39:28and the army and many say army in plain clothes they are shooting people in the head entering
39:34their homes picking up their women the death toll officially is 31 unofficially the death toll is
39:40much higher there are multiple videos in public domain now despite an internet ban there of rigging
39:47in elections and you heard pakistan's defense minister khwaja asif he's calling people in
39:53pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir remember it's the same pakistan who says kashmir is our
39:58shahrag or their jugular vein and he says people in kashmir are behaving like enemy india and this
40:05is just the first phase of elections two more phases to go so what should one make of the situation
40:10joining me on india first is left general kjs dhilan general tiny dhilan is former director general of
40:16india's defense intelligence agency he's also commanded the srinagar corps uh knows the area
40:22opposite like the back of his hand also with me uh from london is major adil raja a former major
40:29of
40:29the pakistan army and a second or third generation officer of the pakistan army so someone who understands
40:34the pakistan army very well uh but is currently in the uk because asim munir uh has virtually put a
40:42bounty on his head uh major raja internet is blocked in pojk some videos are surfacing but what is the
40:51bigger picture that you've been able to gather in the uk there are a large number of people from
40:56the mirpuris and others from pojk who live in the uk what's the bigger picture that's emerging sir
41:03gorov this issue started as a movement for rights basic civic rights by the people on the pakistan
41:11administered side of kashmir but because the pakistani economy is down in shambles and because of the
41:19political instability in pakistan the economic stability is serious in serious jeopardy the pakistani
41:27government of the pakistani regime which is being controlled by the pakistani military establishment
41:31cannot fulfill the people's demand and cannot give them what they're asking for which are basic
41:39human rights but they cannot give it to them because of the economic conditions now what is the
41:45other alternative the other alternative has always been resorting to violence state-sponsored violence
41:51it was the case in east pakistan it is happening in balajistan again it is happening in kashmir but in
41:57this day and age of a digital era of social media you cannot hide the state atrocities and the
42:05authoritarian attitude or simply fascism and it has been exposed now coming over to the elections gaurav
42:11the elections were already decided and the evidence is that 48 hours before the election i made the
42:18statement i tweeted it i am covering these uh ajk situation uh the kashmir situation in pakistan
42:25atmosphere kashmir for 50 days now and i made the statement that pakistani intelligence sources claimed
42:32that the election phase one in mirpur division have been decided the entire election has been
42:38decided field marshal asem muneer has decided to give the election to pakistan muslim league nawaz
42:44which is nawaz sharif and mariam nawaz party and 48 hours later the results reflected the exact
42:51prediction which i gave you so these are not elections these are selections to control
42:57and maintain the hold and maintain the hold over power by the military which is running so it's a gift
43:02to shabazz sharif and mariam nawaz from asem muneer and that is why the people are up in arms in
43:08pakistan
43:09occupied jammu in kashmir but general dylan why would pakistan's defense minister huwaja asif compare the
43:15kashmiris in pojk to enemy india what is your reading of that situation
43:28uh first of all you know in the pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir earlier the slogans or the nara as
43:37is vernacular called the slogan used to be now the slogans are that means the people who are protesting
43:49are willing to die for the cause which they are protesting for and coming to your question proper
43:55why kawaja asif said these protesters are enemies or they are indians
44:01but i see pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir is indian territory so are the people of pakistan
44:07occupied jammu and kashmir and kawaja asif knows it very well so it is legally constitutionally by ethics
44:19everything pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir is an indian territory and father asif just said that
44:26thing in so many words and he said it has many words major every citizen of pojk as indians and
44:33i think
44:34that's a welcome statement and and look at look at the way people uh okay major adil wants to respond
44:41to
44:41you but adil even i would want to understand why would khwaja asif compare the people of pojk
44:47with enemy india who bhi india ki tarah humare dushman hai what's the signal he's sending out
44:55okay what khwaja asif who is khwaja asif khwaja asif is a defense minister of a puppet government
45:01and defense minister is only a ceremonial post and the decisions are being taken by the pakistani
45:08military and by the ghq and that is the fact of the matter
45:21there is any money in the treasury of the pakistani government that they can fulfill the social contract
45:30with the people of pakistan there is a contract between i mean there's a contract of military
45:35within the military they are providing a welfare state model to the military the military gets
45:40free uh you know healthcare free education you know free housing fine and the system works for the
45:48military in pakistan and pakistan is this you know military pakistani military pakistan army has got a
45:54state to itself but they simply do not have the resources to aliquot for the public sector
46:00development or public sector spending to jab in ke paas dhela hai nahi to mela mela inhane karna
46:06or kya karna they'll make but why would they open fire at point blank range and that too in an
46:11in an era
46:12of internet where everything can be seen uh whether today or five days later look at the manner in which
46:18other people are opening fire pakistani forces are opening fire at civilians in kashmir and i just want to
46:23understand a large number of people from mirpur or other parts of pakistan live in uh in the uk why
46:31are they not so vocal about atrocities against their people in pojk now they are very vocal and they
46:39have come out in huge numbers and hundreds of thousands in london and they're coming out tomorrow
46:44even at the speaker's corner in the hyde park and they have been repeatedly protesting in london and
46:50birmingham in the uh in the manchester in bradford there have been uh you know very serious uh sort
46:57of protest and even why it's happening over there please try to understand it has been happening for
47:0278 years it is nothing new it has been happening in bolochistan it has been happening in khaybar pakton
47:08it has been happening all over and why the west state quite because the pakistani military successfully
47:13sold this narrative that we are the only moderate force in this country rest everybody's are jihadis
47:20and mullahs and they'll come and they will you know destroy everything and they'll get hold of the
47:25nuclear weapons if we are not supported so the pakistani military was successful in implementing this
47:32narrative that they are the only moderate force force in that country and because of you know that
47:37narrative under the guard of that narrative they have been carrying out atrocities may it be in
47:43erstwhile east pakistan now bangladesh or present-day pakistan and okay they have been getting the
47:49leverage through the same propaganda they've always been using force this is not the first time only
47:55because of the digital age the things are coming forward now and people are not now contending with
48:02the you know suppression of dissent and the dissent is come it has come out proper because of some
48:08maybe you so-called whistleblowers like me maybe and other people they're speaking up but the
48:14platforms are available for them to speak up and we to bring out this video evidence even once the
48:19mainstream media is not covering what's happening in kashmir on social media we are covering it we are
48:24showing it to the world so it has always been happening it's nothing new good point to make
48:29that general dylan can asem munir get away with mass murder and not just in pakistan occupied jammu
48:36and kashmir so he got away with it in baluchistan because the pakistani punjabis don't really care
48:41about the baluts or the pashtoons so he got away with kpk he got away with baluchistan can he also
48:49get
48:49away with pojk as major adil was saying it's nothing new starting from a yuk khan to ziyal hak to
48:59pravez masharraf to now asem munir everyone has got away with murder in pakistan including the former
49:06prime minister other than imran khan who is there in pakistan everyone else leaves the country after they
49:11retire or they are thrown out of the power by the pakistan army now coming to your question proper
49:16in pojk like major adil was saying in pakistan occupied blochistan in khaybar pakhtunkhwa in sindh in
49:24gilgit baltistan in pojk everywhere the pakistan armies the trustees against the innocent unarmed
49:31civilians are at its peak the panjabi pakistani musulman is trying to dominate the whole space
49:37so he's also being killed if you want to if you want to break a community or a society you
49:43only
49:44have to break their language destroy their language that's what they tried in east pakistan by trying
49:50to impose urdu and punjabi on the bengalis and they had to pay for it by creation of a new
49:55country
49:55similarly in pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir gilgit balti and punjab kashmiri language has been
50:03destroyed systematically in the schools today they're teaching mandarin and punjabi is the
50:08spoken language in that place so they are trying to do away with the kashmiriyat from the roots
50:16that is not acceptable to kashmiris or pakistan occupied jammu and kashmir and that is why this
50:21resistance and i'm very sure in the era of internet and social media now they can't get away with the
50:28but let me put that to uh major adil because major adil earlier that was the impression we also had
50:34that pakistan army has been committing these atrocities in baluchistan for decades in sindh
50:40in khaybar pakhtoonghua even in gilgit baltistan in pojk but adil they've also been doing it in
50:46pakistan's panjab province and getting away with it what is the reason that asem munir one gets away
50:52with it two is there nobody in pakistan army none of the core commanders who dare question him
51:00you see gaurav firstly i would partially agree with what respected general dylan sir is saying over
51:06here but you know the main issue at the root cause of it is economic issue the pakistani state
51:15is bankrupt almost bankrupt moving from one bailout to another bailout if the pakistani people were happy
51:22with a social contract which they have got they would not have agitated why are they agitating
51:27and they're agitating all over the country and punjabis themselves are the sufferers in this
51:32situation general asem munir promised us three years four years ago that he'll bring in an investment
51:37of 70 to 80 billion u.s dollars through the military-sponsored sifc special investment
51:43facilitation council but what we have actually seen on ground is that the military the pakistan army
51:49took hold of the national assets establishments like the pakistan international airlines anything
51:55which have got some kind of a value have been taken over by the pakistani military but even then
52:00they're unable to run the economy because it is not military's job to run the economy the military can
52:06you know run a certain amount of businesses in a certain at a certain level but if they're trying
52:12to take over the entire country's economy and they're trying to manage it well that is not going to
52:17happen and then the second part of your question well the answer is very simple ayub khan brought in
52:28article 199 clause 1 and clause 3 in the pakistan army act which gives the pakistan army chief
52:35unprecedented administrative powers that he can you know straight away give a letter of thanks he can
52:42a sack and he can dismiss and he can terminate the services of any officer any man he wants to
52:50and he does not so he's not supposed to give a reason even for that and then that officer cannot
52:56go to
52:57even the higher court civil court 800 people have been court-martialed 800 officers 800 mind you
53:04general dylan sir 800 officers have been court-martialed in last two years because they spoke up so under
53:12these circumstances in the presence of these uh you know constitutional privileges according to the
53:19army chief and then they've made constitutional amendment the 26th and the 27th constitutional
53:24amendments and then he's brought his own men uh he's surrounded his own men his own journals around
53:31them and the pakistani generals they get benefits in hundreds of millions of us dollars that's a very
53:38crucial point to make sir the last 30 seconds i have on this part of the show general dylan sardar
53:43aman khan kashmiri says no space for pakistan in kashmir apne vatan par apna raj what does this mean is
53:52pakistan looking at another 1971 like situation whether in baluchistan or in kpk or in pojk or too
54:00premature to say that
54:04gaurav as majid adil also said that economy is the main concern and we all know that pakistan economy is
54:10in doldrums any nation stands on basically the four pillars that is the economic diplomatic military and
54:17political and all four pillars of pakistan are crumbling today look at the pkr versus the usd
54:25and that is the reason and now coming to what you are asking pakistan is imploding from within
54:31we just counted out khyber patung for beluchistan sin the gilgit baltistan pojk and even punjab so
54:38they are imploding from within and only thing is though i think major adil uh forgot to give out
54:44corner plots and the pizza chains which pakistan milky enjoys in addition to all the thing which
54:50he talked about so this point that we will exert our will against the domination of the pakistan
54:59state on the kashmiris of pojk is a very valid concern and in social media of today i think this
55:05is going places and everyone is taking notice of it and hopefully something will come out of it
55:11hopefully fingers crossed let's hope people in pakistan occupied jammu kishmir remain safe
55:15major adil rajah and general dhirland for joining me here on india first many thanks we'll be keeping
55:20a hawk eye on developments across the lc and across the border because while you keep an eye on your
55:29enemies you must ensure your friends across are safe that is all i have for you on india first this
55:36evening many thanks for watching