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Drake Maye not getting enough respect? Do people forget he was MVP runner-up and in the Super Bowl? Did the Super Bowl performance, hinder the narrative? Curtis: "What would we be saying, if we weren't fans of the Patriots?"
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00:00The schedule thing, like, he performed at a high level on the schedule, right?
00:03So, we have to go back and look through everybody's schedule and say, like,
00:06all right, what did Caleb Williams' schedule look like?
00:09Who was ahead of him?
00:10Jared Goff on one of those lists?
00:12Correct.
00:13Aaron Rodgers?
00:14I don't know why the hate.
00:15Oh, no, that was the Brady one.
00:16Yeah, I don't know why the hate is so bad for him.
00:19I think it's mostly because of the way he looked and the team looked in the Super Bowl.
00:22But they were playing against great defenses.
00:25Like, right?
00:26You're playing against great defenses.
00:28At times, yeah, you didn't have the great – your first year starter,
00:34like, full first year under a new coach, new coordinator.
00:37You get your team to a Super Bowl.
00:39You don't have the greatest postseason run.
00:42You perform well at times, but it's not the greatest postseason.
00:45You're going against the best defenses week in and week out in the postseason.
00:50I mean, but the week before, if we're going to be honest,
00:52like, Matthew Stafford, who was the MVP, against that Seahawks defense
00:56in the NFC Championship, went 22-35 for 374 yards, three touchdowns,
01:00and a pass rating of 128.
01:02Also, if we're going to talk about that, though, to be fair,
01:04Matthew Stafford, that's the third time he faced that Seahawks defense
01:07in that season alone.
01:08Like, this is a guy who has seen Mike McDonald's defense not one year,
01:11but two years in a row, two times a year,
01:13and this is the fifth time he's faced Mike McDonald's defense.
01:16Wouldn't you slip that on the Seahawks defense to knowing everything
01:20about the Rams offense?
01:22And how many times did divisional opponents face the Patriots
01:24over the dynastic years where they would play them much better
01:27than other teams because they knew the Patriots offense much better?
01:30Yeah, but one is a...
01:31Didn't Brady have, like, a 24-3 record against the Bills?
01:35No, he only lost twice.
01:36The other one...
01:36Oh, okay.
01:37He's even better.
01:38Got it, got it, got it.
01:39But one guy...
01:40Mousetrapped.
01:41One guy and Matthew Stafford is somebody...
01:44Didn't the defense know him pretty well, though?
01:46I mean, I feel like this is a pretty good argument.
01:47No, they did, but Matthew Stafford is somebody who has been in the league,
01:50what, 19 years?
01:52Yeah.
01:52And understands and has been in multiple playoff games?
01:55You're talking about a kid who, as a first-year starter,
01:59takes a team to the postseason, goes against really good defenses,
02:02is still trying to figure out, like,
02:04how do I navigate the whole playoff world?
02:07And it's not...
02:08I'm not getting this narrative of, like,
02:11oh, Drake May had a great year.
02:13Man, I can't wait to see what he does in year two.
02:15Like, I feel like he's going to be really good.
02:18It's kind of like, hmm,
02:20I got Caleb Williams and Justin Herbert ahead of him.
02:23Well, I mean, it's the season of lists,
02:25and I think a lot of them are...
02:28A lot of them are clickbait, so...
02:30But he hasn't been...
02:32Has he been higher than six on any list?
02:35I mean, outside of my own.
02:37The highest list I've seen him on is...
02:39Dan Patrick put out a list, and he had him ten.
02:41Or a six, I'm sorry, six.
02:43The only list that really matters is he was second
02:46in the MVP voting.
02:47Yes, he was.
02:48I mean, so...
02:49Right, but do you think the narrative...
02:50Number one in my heart.
02:51Do you think the narrative around the talking heads
02:53when it comes to Drake May is, like,
02:55there's excitement,
02:57and he's really going to have a great year,
03:00or is it more of...
03:01Trepidation.
03:02Yeah, like, let's see...
03:04He's going to come back down to earth.
03:05Right, let's see what now that he's got
03:07a hotter schedule and all that.
03:08And I don't get, like, when...
03:10And I'm only comparing him
03:12to the guys that are ahead of...
03:14Like, Jordan Love is ahead of him
03:16in one of the lists.
03:17Isn't that better, though?
03:18That's ridiculous.
03:19We talked about that.
03:20Was that yesterday or anything?
03:21Yeah.
03:23It's ridiculous.
03:24And Caleb Williams is even, like,
03:26that...
03:26Another one, I think, was...
03:27Kyle Hurd had him third on his list.
03:29Yes, he did.
03:30And so...
03:30Cam Newton had him seven.
03:31I understand clickbait,
03:33but then there's a point where
03:35it's like,
03:37man,
03:37that's just a dumbass thing to say.
03:40Like, how are you...
03:41I mean, I say a lot of dumb-ish
03:42all the time,
03:43but I'm not going to be like,
03:45for example,
03:48Victor Weminyama,
03:49really good player,
03:50going into, like,
03:51well, this will be his third year
03:52or whatever.
03:52I'm not going to go,
03:53oh, Victor Weminyama,
03:56I got him ninth on my list
03:58of top ten players.
03:59But Weminyama's reputation
04:00was highly damaged
04:01by the performance in the finals.
04:03Yeah, but even though next year,
04:04like, even still,
04:05I still think he's probably
04:06one of the top seven best players
04:08in the NFL.
04:09Oh, my God, Wiggy,
04:10he's top three.
04:11Right.
04:11But he's...
04:12Going into next year?
04:13Yeah.
04:14I mean, me personally,
04:15I would probably take the Joker,
04:19still Giannis.
04:21You have Giannis over Weminy?
04:23I would take...
04:23Me personally,
04:24I would take Giannis over Weminy.
04:25Come on, Wiggy.
04:27Okay.
04:28Yeah, Giannis had one year
04:29of injury.
04:30Go look at the year
04:31prior to last year.
04:32Do the exercise.
04:33I want to hear the other six.
04:35Okay.
04:35So, I would have...
04:38Joker, Giannis, Tatum.
04:40I would have Tatum.
04:42SGA.
04:42I would have SGA
04:44ahead of him.
04:46Paul George?
04:48No, I wouldn't have...
04:50Greg has P. Pritch ahead of him.
04:51I wouldn't have Paul George.
04:53Peyton Pritchard loves fireworks.
04:55Yes.
04:56I probably would...
04:57White guy.
04:57I probably would still have
04:58Luka Doncic ahead of him.
05:00That's what's that five?
05:01You have Luka above Wemby.
05:02Yes, I would.
05:04I mean, I'm not...
05:04Luka just is starting
05:05to play defense.
05:07Right, but I'm not...
05:07I'm saying I need to see...
05:10And Curtis is right.
05:10There's a little bit of a knock.
05:12I need to see
05:13how does Wemby evolve?
05:16Right?
05:16Does he get stronger
05:17or is he just going to be
05:19pushed out
05:21away from the basket
05:22and just be relying
05:23on hawking up threes
05:25or trying to go by guys
05:27and throw it off the backboard
05:28and get his own rebound?
05:29Ultimately, I think
05:30this is a good thing for Drake.
05:31If everybody on these lists
05:33is saying,
05:34eh, maybe he's seventh best,
05:36maybe he's ninth best,
05:37good.
05:38Like, that's less pressure
05:39than coming off the Super Bowl
05:40and everyone going,
05:42well, he's the next hot thing.
05:44Well, yeah.
05:44And it all...
05:45I mean, if you can go out there
05:47and start the season
05:49on the road
05:49against the defending
05:50Super Bowl champions
05:51and win that football game,
05:53the narrative completely
05:54should change.
05:55But you can't do the thing
05:56with the defense
05:57being all-time great.
05:58Like, look at the 2000 Ravens.
06:00We consider that
06:01to be the gold standard, right?
06:02The defense that year
06:03with Ray Lewis
06:03and everybody else.
06:04I mean, the white suit
06:05not withstanding.
06:07They allowed in the games
06:08prior to that Super Bowl win
06:11in the AFC Championship game,
06:12they allowed three points,
06:1410 points in the divisional,
06:15and three points in the wild card.
06:17Like, that was dominance.
06:18The way the Rams played
06:20that same defense
06:21two weeks prior,
06:22the guy that won the MVP
06:25played exponentially better
06:26than your quarterback.
06:27A different league.
06:28Yeah, but you gotta understand...
06:29Your quarterback was also
06:30getting sacked left and right.
06:31And they're two different players.
06:33One guy has been,
06:34like I said,
06:35in the league for 19, 20 years,
06:37however long Stafford's been in there.
06:38He understands the ins and outs
06:40of what it takes
06:41to be in a playoff.
06:43He's a Super Bowl champion
06:45where the other guy
06:47is basically, you know,
06:50like Bambi
06:51and still getting his legs
06:52underneath him.
06:52Aren't you making the argument then
06:54that Drake should be
06:55that far behind Matthew Stafford?
06:57No, no, no.
06:57I mean, that's what you're doing.
06:58No, no, I'm not saying Stafford.
06:59You're saying one guy's Bambi
07:00and one guy's a veteran.
07:01No, but we never said
07:02he should be ahead of Stafford
07:03in the rankings either, though.
07:03I never said Stafford, though.
07:04I said, like,
07:05even when my Victor went Minyama, right,
07:07I didn't put him
07:08behind Cade Cunningham.
07:10You said he was worse than Hugo.
07:12You know, but you're doing
07:13you're a texter.
07:15The H is silent.
07:15A texter points out
07:16you're doing
07:18You're doing to Wemby
07:19what you're mad
07:20everybody else is doing to Drake.
07:22No, no, no.
07:23Because with Wemby,
07:24I'm not putting him behind guys
07:27that I know
07:28he's clearly better than.
07:29That's why I brought up
07:30Cade Cunningham
07:31or let's say,
07:34I don't know,
07:35like,
07:35and I love Jalen Brunson,
07:37but I'm not putting
07:38Jalen Brunson.
07:39I mean, if I did put
07:40Jalen Brunson ahead,
07:41I think there were people
07:41that would be like,
07:42oh, okay.
07:43But when you start to put
07:45Wemby behind,
07:46give me a basketball player.
07:47The equivalent of Caleb Williams
07:49is what you're saying.
07:49Yeah, the equivalent
07:50of Caleb Williams,
07:51let's say,
07:51I don't know who that would be.
07:53V.J. Edgecombe.
07:54Yes.
07:54That was what Greg was going to say.
07:56V.J. Edgecombe.
07:57I'm not putting him behind that.
07:58I'm saying, all right,
07:59these guys,
08:00like,
08:00even with Drake May,
08:01if you want to put him behind
08:03Mahomes,
08:04Josh Allen,
08:05Matthew Stafford,
08:07Joe Burrow,
08:08Lamar Jackson.
08:09Lamar Jackson.
08:10You draw the line
08:11at Justin Herbert.
08:12Justin Herbert.
08:13You can't put
08:14Drake May behind
08:15Justin Herbert.
08:16You can't.
08:16The washing of
08:17Justin Herbert
08:18is so weird.
08:18I don't get it.
08:19It's so weird.
08:20And so that's,
08:21I guess that's the point
08:21that I'm trying to make you,
08:22wait,
08:23you guys don't feel that way?
08:24Like,
08:24that they're like putting him
08:26behind players.
08:27You're like,
08:27what?
08:28Jared Goff?
08:29Like,
08:29what are we doing?
08:29Why are we putting
08:30Drake May behind
08:30Jared Goff
08:31under any circumstance?
08:32It makes no sense to me.
08:33Because you really,
08:34you've seen one full season
08:36of him,
08:36and he unfortunately
08:37did not look
08:39extraordinary
08:39during the playoff.
08:40You've seen Jared Goff
08:41go like,
08:41what was it,
08:42like 0-8
08:43with Jeff Fisher
08:44before,
08:44and yet people are still
08:46putting him ahead
08:46of Drake May.
08:47Like,
08:47I've seen Jared Goff.
08:48You can't use that,
08:49because what was
08:50Drake's record
08:52the year before last year?
08:54I understand.
08:54What was his record,
08:55Shime?
08:56It wasn't good.
08:57What was it?
08:57I think he won,
08:58like,
08:58what is it,
08:591-8 or something?
09:00Okay,
09:01so let's maybe not
09:02knock a quarterback
09:03for having one terrible season.
09:05No,
09:05I'm not knocking Jared Goff
09:07for having one terrible season,
09:08but I've seen Jared Goff
09:08play awful football
09:10multiple times.
09:11He also didn't know
09:12where the sun set.
09:13He's also never even...
09:14I'll never forget that,
09:15Curtis,
09:15from Hard Knocks.
09:16I'll never forget that.
09:18Wild.
09:19He's also never sniffed
09:20an MVP,
09:20and Drake May
09:21should have won last year.
09:23Let me ask you this question.
09:24He's from California.
09:25He's not from Nebraska.
09:26Meg,
09:26let me ask you this question,
09:28because I think it's...
09:29Can you ask it
09:29after the break?
09:30Sure can.
09:30Let me write it down.
09:31Okay,
09:31please write it down.
09:32Yeah.
09:33Counselor.
09:34By the narrative,
09:35do you mean
09:36where he's landing
09:37on these lists
09:38that people are putting together?
09:39Yeah,
09:40and what they're saying,
09:40like,
09:41oh,
09:41I can't wait to see him.
09:42Yes,
09:42I think him being
09:43the number one pick overall,
09:45getting off to a bit
09:46of a rocky start,
09:47and people saying,
09:48is he scared to throw interceptions?
09:51He's so conservative.
09:52Can he hang on to the football?
09:55Like,
09:55all those things.
09:56And then being somebody
09:57who took a jump forward,
09:59I think people kind of
10:01want to see
10:02number one picks
10:04succeed,
10:05because if their team sucks,
10:08in a way,
10:08it's kind of like
10:09the millionaire tax.
10:10You know,
10:11like,
10:11if your team sucks,
10:13and the only shot
10:14you have at a quarterback
10:15is maybe
10:16the number one pick
10:17or a high pick,
10:18you want the highly
10:19picked quarterbacks
10:20to succeed,
10:21so that is still
10:22a possibility
10:22for you to have hope
10:24in the future.
10:24Like,
10:25people always voting
10:26against the millionaire's tax
10:27because they go,
10:28well,
10:28what if one day
10:29I'm a millionaire?
10:30I don't want to be taxed
10:31like that.
10:31So there's a lot
10:32of excitement around him
10:33and people are like,
10:33man,
10:34I can't wait.
10:34Because he was still
10:35the number one pick overall.
10:36Okay,
10:36so the number three
10:37overall pick,
10:39who,
10:40second to MVP voting
10:42last year
10:43of his first full year
10:45as a starter
10:45who got his team
10:46to a Super Bowl,
10:48yes,
10:48they did lose,
10:49do you think
10:50the narrative
10:51is positive
10:52about what people
10:54are like,
10:55ooh,
10:55I can't wait
10:56to see what
10:56Drake May can do
10:57or is it more,
10:58hmm,
11:00I don't know.
11:01It's the second one.
11:02Right.
11:03But what would we be saying,
11:04Wiggy,
11:04if we weren't a fan
11:05of the Patriots
11:06and we watched
11:07that Super Bowl,
11:07we saw the playoff run
11:08that Drake May went on,
11:09we would be far
11:10more skeptical
11:11than we are
11:12as fans of the team.
11:13Like,
11:13it's fair to be skeptical,
11:14but you can't then
11:16in the same breath
11:17put a guy like Caleb Williams
11:18ahead of him.
11:19Right.
11:19But what if you thought
11:20Caleb Williams was better
11:23than him entering last season?
11:25So why should you change that
11:27based on a playoff run
11:28that you believe
11:28to be fraudulent?
11:29But nobody thought
11:30Caleb Williams was better
11:31than him entering.
11:32Like,
11:32he had a better,
11:33Drake May look better
11:34than his rookie year
11:35than Caleb Williams did.
11:35than him at the draft.
11:36Right.
11:36Yeah.
11:37Sure.
11:37But also,
11:38when you rank him low
11:40on these lists,
11:42you're completely discounting
11:44that he finally has
11:46a top 10 wide receiver
11:47that he is going to
11:49be able to utilize.
11:50Caleb Williams is one
11:50of the best,
11:51a better,
11:51way better offensive line,
11:53way better weapons
11:54across the board.
11:55Like,
11:55I don't understand
11:56how people now see
11:58Drake May with A.J. Brown,
12:00Romeo Dobbs
12:00as his top two receivers.
12:02Right.
12:02And what should be
12:03a better offensive line
12:04when healthy
12:04and not go,
12:05yeah,
12:05this guy should be
12:06still taking another step forward.
12:07I think they still think
12:08that there's a possibility
12:09he makes blockhead decisions
12:11out there.
12:11But they all do,
12:12though.
12:13He was the most efficient
12:14quarterback in football
12:15last year.
12:16I'm just telling you,
12:17you keep saying like,
12:17I don't understand,
12:18I don't understand.
12:19This is what I think
12:20people who are skeptical
12:21and cynical about it
12:23are thinking.
12:24But those people,
12:25no,
12:25they're not skeptical.
12:28They're just plain,
12:29right,
12:30outright dumb
12:31in the moment
12:32because Caleb Williams
12:34makes a lot of
12:35boneheaded plays.
12:36So doesn't Justin Herbert
12:37who makes a lot
12:38of boneheaded plays.
12:39Yeah,
12:39again,
12:40I do not think Herbert
12:41should be above Drake
12:42on any of these lists.
12:44Jordan Love,
12:44there are a number
12:45of guys,
12:46when we start
12:47to talk about this
12:49and this is the
12:50frustrating part
12:51about it,
12:52you start to look
12:53and you go,
12:53okay,
12:54based on his performance
12:55and what he looked like,
12:58the excitement level
13:00should be like,
13:01he should be
13:02on every single list
13:05sixth
13:06where he should be.
13:07I don't know
13:08how you can watch
13:08that second ball
13:09that he threw to Scheim
13:10and not have him
13:11top five.
13:12I mean,
13:13tell me about it,
13:13man.
13:14That thing was a missile
13:14and I caught it.
13:15All right,
13:16barely caught it.
13:17I mean,
13:18a catch is a catch,
13:19Greg.
13:19Did it hit the ground?
13:19Did it even come close?
13:20No,
13:20it didn't.
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