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Are the Patriots the class of the AFC?? Patriots' "schedule too easy"?... "They haven't beaten anyone other than Baker and Josh". Haters are going to hate- but the proof is in the 9-2 record What do the Patriots need to prove next?
Drake Maye's personality and likeability is off the charts- Is Drake just being humble while hiding that 'killer instinct'? Does Maye have The Brady/Jordan/Mahomes mentality? We know he has the skill, but does he have the drive?
Drake Maye's personality and likeability is off the charts- Is Drake just being humble while hiding that 'killer instinct'? Does Maye have The Brady/Jordan/Mahomes mentality? We know he has the skill, but does he have the drive?
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00:00Look at how many good teams you think the Colts have played this year.
00:05Because everybody's less than a question because everybody is whining about the Patriot the ease of schedule for the Patriots
00:11Put that smirk away. They played the Rams. I know that that's a good team. They lost. Yep. That's a good team
00:17They played the Broncos
00:19good team Chargers
00:21Chargers good team, so they've played three good teams
00:24This season you count the Steelers is a good team. Hmm
00:27Jury's out on them. I'm hung on the Steelers. Colts lost that one too though. Yeah, so but I'm gonna
00:33I'm gonna go with three good ones. I'm still the jury's out on the Steelers. Now. What about the Denver Broncos?
00:39I mean they beat the Eagles. They beat the Eagles. Yep. I'd say that's a good team
00:43They lost to the Chargers and to the Colts. Yep, so and I would say Chargers and Colts
00:47So they play three and you
00:49They have the Chiefs this weekend. Yeah, they have the Chiefs this week the weekend, but until this point you beat the Bills
00:55and the Buccaneers two good teams and if you want to throw Pittsburgh in there you lost to the Steelers
01:00Technically more good wins than the Broncos, right?
01:04So this whole of they haven't played anybody or look who's on their schedule type type deal
01:09I think if you look at the other good teams in the AFC that have good records or if you even wanted to probably expand that even further
01:17You would look and go okay. Well, I mean
01:20There's not like there's not one team that goes all right
01:23They they played five or six really good teams
01:26So I I don't really subscribe to that Patriots narrative when people try to push that because you play the teams that are in front of you
01:34Yeah, they're nine and two. They have been absolutely in in command of all of these games
01:41They've won eight straight if you're still talking about the schedule you're telling on yourself like
01:46Well, I obviously if they get blown out in the playoffs that that'll re you know reshape the conversation
01:51But right now the Patriots today and for the future are one of two to three teams in the NFL. You'd want to be
01:58Yeah, I'd agree with that
02:00I would definitely agree with that
02:02You got a 50 year old head coach a 23 year old quarterback and they are flying like what what's gonna what can't they replicate?
02:10They can't they can replicate replicate anything. The question becomes how much money is Kraft willing to spend right?
02:17That's you're talking about going forward going in the future going forward because
02:23that
02:24Unless strike may and he could get gets to the Patrick Mahomes level
02:30Even look at the Buffalo bills
02:34Haven't they taken a step back because maybe Josh doesn't have as much talent around them?
02:41Kansas City's the only team
02:43And because I think it's the level of where my homes is where you can go. All right, Kelsey's still good
02:49I think the Buffalo the the the step back or whatever you just called it is more about coaching
02:55Than it is about Josh Allen and talent. I mean look
02:59They had Mac Hollins and look at the difference
03:01When he is here with Josh McDaniels then the opportunity that he got there
03:07Right, but I mean even there he was I mean he's I think he's getting more of an opportunity here because of
03:13When he was there. It was like Steph digs
03:17Um
03:17Steph digs is here also
03:19That's that is true. I I just don't know. I I the coach and I would agree isn't great for Buffalo
03:24But when we talk about the bills don't we hear and like all these NFL experts say oh, it's just Josh Allen
03:31It's just Josh Allen
03:32So it seems like maybe he has taken a step back because he doesn't have as much talent around them
03:38And he can elevate guys to a certain level
03:42But I feel like unless you're Patrick Mahomes within that world. It's very difficult
03:46And and so
03:48Is craft willing to spend to put talent around Drake may he had one opportunity?
03:55Didn't so far right right and so moving forward he's gonna have to pay
03:59He's gotta he's gotta pay christian gonzalez. We talked about that yesterday drake may he's gotta pay drake may
04:06That's a year after that and maybe two years after that will campbell
04:10Nasty
04:12So you're talking about three guys
04:15In the limited uh, just about nasty the bills wigs like in the limited amount of hard knocks that I watched
04:22It was not very compelling this year
04:24Everything about the bills organization was entirely circled around protecting josh allen like the defensive coordinator
04:32I don't know his name was saying don't get close to him. That's the franchise everybody like literally
04:37Everything was about that one person which I think is diametrically opposed to the patriots
04:43Which is they were trying to make sure drake may stayed healthy
04:46Mm-hmm, but it's far more of a collective approach than the bills have done
04:49Yeah, I think that rabel gets credit and you encourage that's a good point because anytime we talk about or anytime
04:54You anybody talk about the bills we do it or you watch a game
04:57Hey, josh allen can't do it on his own. Yeah, right? They need more
05:02They know why are they not getting james cook involved as much he needs more he needs more
05:06So I don't know if drake may is going to get to the mahomes level where all right
05:11He can still do it with not as much talent. Do you want to talk to uh pump the brakes are they're like the flat earthers love it
05:18Yeah, marcus is a punk a pump the brakes are what's up marcus
05:23Good morning guys man really enjoy listening to you
05:27but my question to to just generally to you guys is that
05:31When you guys say that, you know, um, you can't understand why people have a different take a different take
05:38Is it necessarily a wrong take I might feel like the eagles are better. I might feel like when lamar come back
05:44He's better the papers are playing great, but damn
05:48I mean really like we we just can't have a different take than you guys
05:53No, you can't no you can't I just I just think that the schedule take is a bogus one
06:00Because it it's the way it's the way it goes in the nfl
06:03The same argument was used against the celtics
06:07When when they want it, it's it's like it's your schedule is your schedule
06:12You have nothing to do with
06:14You know who you end up playing and it's I I just they win games
06:20You know the bills went to miami in a game that they were supposed to win. They didn't win it, right?
06:26This team wins
06:27I did it
06:28They got their doors blown
06:29I feel like this mark
06:30Can I got one more take real quick because I want to say this to shine a shine what up?
06:36What makes you so confident that?
06:39Um, we've seen um the kid from houston play great. We've seen
06:42Daniels play great. What makes you think that?
06:46Uh, drake may is gonna be the only quarterback to ever have overcome a slump
06:50Um, I don't think he's ever been in a slump. So I don't I don't know. There's a
06:56Well, there's people who are saying that this season from drake may
07:00Is essentially what you got last season from jayden daniel
07:05That's fine. And like that's why like I don't I don't necessarily
07:09Argue with people who still prefer jayden daniel's and say this in this season was a lot about injuries and stuff like that
07:15That's fine. If you still really like jayden daniel's. I don't blame you who's in the nfc championship game last year
07:20I can't hold that against you
07:21But at the same time like I think you can also acknowledge it drake may is really good
07:25I prefer drake may over to jayden daniel's, but i'm not gonna like curse somebody out just because they prefer jayden daniel
07:31I think it's sailing uh, greg when you look at drake may like mac jones had a really good rookie year
07:36But you looked at him and you go. Okay
07:39All right, how much
07:41Higher can he go? Yeah, and you're like when you look at drake may you go, okay
07:46It looks like he can go even higher than this and his potential right
07:51We don't know where that limit is
07:54And that's where I think the difference is where you say oh he he he looks like he could be going there
07:59But he could stink next year. Also, this isn't drake's first season. It's his first full season
08:04But we've seen a jump from season one to season two
08:08So can't we expect to hopefully see a jump from season two to season?
08:12It's a little different because last year like he really wasn't the guy so defense still defensively your game planning like
08:18All right, what is this drake may got next year when they know they're gonna every d coordinator is gonna have the book out on drake may
08:24Here's what he likes. Oh, yeah, and the argument's gonna be that last year. He had an absolute rube of an ignoramus for an offensive coordinator
08:31And of course right, we know what josh likes to do now the book's gonna be out and so
08:35This is joe from plymouth. Hey, joe
08:39How you doing guys? What's up love the show. Thank you nothing. I just I just have to say you guys
08:45Everyone has to embrace this team. Uh, I agree with shine. This is probably the best friday ever
08:52I was at the game in tampa last weekend
08:54Um, and just going forward. I mean
08:57They're on a roll here and we gotta you just gotta love it
09:00Yeah, I mean they go down in these games and you have complete at least I have complete confidence that it's nothing to worry about like I
09:10I
09:10They find ways to win football games. So if you want to compare them to oh one
09:16Then if you're gonna do that
09:19Then compare
09:20What that moment and potentially what the next moment is what they do in oh two
09:25They missed the playoffs. They missed the playoffs to go net what they go nine and seven
09:29They beat the dolphins final game, but failed to make the play right so they you know
09:33They weren't the same football team. So
09:34You you look at this Tom Brady led the NFL in touchdown passes
09:38No, he did
09:39But if you look at this team
09:41And you go
09:42This team has the potential
09:44That's why
09:45I look at vrabel and I look at those guys you have to then
09:49Snatch that moment
09:51And put a chokehold on it because we don't know what next year might bring maybe next year
09:56Did the lead gets hip to drake may and he's not as good and he struggles and we go, you know, we've seen court
10:02Look at justin herbert like we're like, oh, this guy's gonna be great and then it's like, oh, okay
10:07He's okay. Well, you know, so yeah, you don't know what the future is gonna bring
10:13So capitalize on the moment that you have right dr. Loeb said we were all gonna be gone
10:18But he's still saying it. Yeah, he's up that flex time quick thing though about how people all of a sudden that don't like the Patriots are looking toward next year and like this
10:28Like enjoy this season. We're just getting started and
10:31And drake may it is far more likely that he gets better
10:36The longer he's in the josh mcdaniel system
10:39Which you know brady and mcdaniel's every year added to it
10:43Which is why it was so hard for guys that came in after that like cam newton to understand, you know this long
10:48Growing playbook. So drake may and josh are at the beginning of their relationship
10:54And I think the thing with drake may that allows for the continued success is that he's not a one trick pony
10:59It's not a he's only good at you know play action read and or read option or any of that stuff
11:05It's I can run the football as an athletic quarterback. We can get him outside the pocket
11:09But I can also stand in the pocket move up into the pocket find guys downfield
11:14Keep my eyes downfield attack deep down the field layer the ball
11:17Like he can do so many different things that it becomes difficult for a defensive coordinator to just game plan against
11:23One guy because it because because he can beat you so many different ways
11:26Like I mean you look at what todd bowles did against him todd bowles is one of the better defensive minds
11:30He's gonna face all year. He threw a bunch of different stuff at him and drake make ended up coming out on top
11:36Was it perfect? No, but he still found a way to win and he's just going to improve on that as he get goes along
11:41Can we get I mean the hard-o talk we have to do a shy hard-o
11:44Please layer the ball
11:46Yeah, man, you gotta layer it like what does that mean like there's different layers to the field
11:50You gotta layer it over a linebacker. There's there's different levels. There's over the safety
11:53There's the deep ball. You gotta have different touch like that ball. He threw deep last night
11:57That should have probably been interception intercepted
11:59Too much air on it too much air on it
12:01You gotta put more of a line on that puppy let kyle williams beat him in a straight line and go
12:05Go to the back of the end zone layer it up. Yeah, all right. Well, we mentioned it earlier with the pylon throw, you know
12:10Patriots beat the jets as they should have
12:13Curtis talks about winners guys that win at that level and want to
12:20Consistently the jordans the tigers the brady's the kobe's they have this
12:26Killer rip your throat out mentality mahomes mahomes step on your neck
12:33I don't care who you are. I want to be the best even when i'm the best. I still am looking to rip your throat out
12:40Because I don't think people believe that i'm the the best
12:44Does drake may have that and i'm not saying he doesn't well tom brady had that because i'm assuming of the chip on his shoulder like
12:54Right, so
12:55But with brady though, it began in college
12:58You got to fight for the job in michigan and then they're down two touchdowns twice to alabama and the sugar bowl or whatever the hell orange bowl
13:05And then they win that game. He was a winner in college
13:08And that was the difference for me and drake was that he didn't have that opportunity
13:11But yeah, I to me it's it's something you cannot
13:14You know define but you know it when you see it, but can you win?
13:19with maybe
13:19I don't know. It's not saying that you don't have it, but can you do you still have it when you come off as like this humble
13:27Person I don't know. Yeah, I think the homes kind of has that. Yeah
13:31Yeah, that's why i'm asking the question. So yeah, I mean, yes, you can have it and just not be
13:36You know outwardly
13:38Expressing it all the time like i'm sure his team
13:42I I would assume his teammates think he has it dan patrick did a segment on this wigs that uh was what really was the driver behind it
13:48Where he had charles barkley on and charles was like there are some guys that are an a-hole everywhere and they can't turn it on and off
13:56And that's like jordan. He's like nobody's ever said jordan. He's such a nice guy
14:01He's just a great winner whereas guys like wayne gretzky and tom brady
14:04Are people that can be humble and you know deferential?
14:08I think that drew breeze after the divisional round game in tampa the year they won the super bowl
14:13He beats the saints and after the game. There's this beautiful video of tom brady throwing passes to drew breeze's kids
14:19Uh-huh and uh shady mccoy told the story that he got back in the locker room after doing that
14:23He's like I killed that ass like like he's looking like this magnanimous winner
14:28But in the reality he was a stone-cold killer
14:31I don't I I don't know but I don't think it's fake when drake does it like when when he's asked about the mvp chance
14:39In tampa and he defers to they were probably for baker like
14:45He did it last night too. He even said he's like, yeah, those were probably for travion. He had three touchdowns
14:49Yeah, I mean I I I but I don't think that's fake like fake humble
14:53I think he's legit humble like that
14:55No, he seems like a good old southern country boy that is, you know, is hospitable to everybody will
15:01But it like honestly, he seems like the type of guy that if we're able to get shy and I know courtney you're working hard on this
15:08Got him a catch if where he would be like, all right, have him come up to Gillette. I'll throw the ball around
15:13But I also think in retrospect, this is why he was the perfect pairing with mike variable
15:17You see the culture that mike variable wants to instill where this team is a family
15:21He is the perfect quarterback to have at the head of that family, right where he constantly deflects to the rest of his teammates
15:27He's constantly giving everybody else credit and praise and he's not taking it for himself because it's not about him
15:33It's about the team. And I think that's why him and variable retrospectively pair so well together
15:37And we did this and chime got a hard time with the conversation
15:40But it's similar to what wiggy began, which is that is josh allen someone we're winning is the most important thing
15:46Yeah, we did do that and and if that's kind of what this is about like, I don't know what will but I do think it's a real conversation
15:52Yeah, well, that's all I'm asking you
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